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Occupied Kashmir dispute in UNSC focus after decades

What else did anybody expect? India has letter of accession, Pak has none. Article 370 was part of Indian constitution. Pak never acknowledged it. Why are they objecting to something they believe isn't valid? World doesn't care about Kashmir. They care about their own national interests and align themselves with what their corporates want. India is a huge market. India is a country in an upswing. Above all these, world is desensitized to Muslim plight. They've been hearing about Palestine, Kashmir, Afghanistan, Chechenya, Iraq, Syria, yemen etc etc. Compare Kashmir to these places. Palestine is a gone case. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria have gone back to stone ages with millions dead. A few days of curfiew is no big deal compared to those.

Pakistan currently has a bit of leverage over the US as the US is trying to extricate itself from the Afghanistan War, a war which has been handed to Trump by Bush and Obama. So Trump is playing nice with Pakistan now and taking IK's phone calls.

Once the US is out of Afghanistan, IK is going to get the busy tone when he calls Trump.

According to the CNN article [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] linked to "France, Germany and the United States objected to language that might have broadened the issue beyond the possibility of future bilateral talks between India and Pakistan". So even though the US wants Pakistan's help to get out of Afghanistan, Trump is really angry at Pakistan for giving arms to the Haqqani Network which kills US soldiers. Right now he seems to be saying nice things and turning on the charm for IK, without doing anything concrete.
 
Wow so the Russians are also against us? Well done Modi, you have ruined everything we had. Putin clearly values Imran more than Modi. Of course, it's hard not to - how does one prefer a silly chaiwala over an alpha male :))
 
Not surprised of france, they cry human rights wherever it goes but when trade deals are involved france will turn blind eye.

People of kashmir need to come out and do peaceful demonstrations when curfew is lifted, world cant stay silent already shifting.

Kashmiris will get justice
 
Where did the Dominican Republic come from?
 
So Basically Russia didnt back Pakistan on Kashmir issue.. lol Sighhh I was kinda hoping they did just to change things up a little because this is all getting a bit boring and predictable...
 
So Basically Russia didnt back Pakistan on Kashmir issue.. lol Sighhh I was kinda hoping they did just to change things up a little because this is all getting a bit boring and predictable...

All this point scoring is detracting from the actual atrocities that are occurring in IOK
 
All this point scoring is detracting from the actual atrocities that are occurring in IOK

IMMY,

You are a decent poster, I have beef with you, despite you venting at me at times, which I don't take to heart. However from my perspective; Kashmiri muslims can either let go of their violent ways and learn to live peacefully, enough with the stone pelting and being influenced by Pakistan based terrorists OR they can dig their own grave and lie in it. India is not letting go of Indian Kashmir, its hard reality, all the protest in the world is not going to change it.
 
IMMY,

You are a decent poster, I have beef with you, despite you venting at me at times, which I don't take to heart. However from my perspective; Kashmiri muslims can either let go of their violent ways and learn to live peacefully, enough with the stone pelting and being influenced by Pakistan based terrorists OR they can dig their own grave and lie in it. India is not letting go of Indian Kashmir, its hard reality, all the protest in the world is not going to change it.

I’ve had this discussion about Kashmir with both Indian and Pakistani friends.

At the end of the day we always end up agreeing to disagree.
So let’s you and I do the same.

I think the last ten days or so has been shameful here on PP and i’ll Be the first to admit that i’ve steaming in like a bull in a china shop. So enough of that.

In my opinion there has to be dialogue between the two countries and India should take up IK’s offer.
As a country Pakistan has taken some big steps in the last twelve months. The people have finally broken away from dynastic politics and the incumbent government is taking unprecedented steps to make the country a better place.

But if we as people can’t behave with compassion and friendship then there really is no hope at all.
 
so russia has stabbed india in the back, india getting a taste of its own medicine

No one stabbed India in the back. Russia never 'supported' Pakistan in the first place.
https://eurasiafuture.com/2019/08/1...n-that-russia-supported-pakistan-at-the-unsc/

https://www.dawn.com/news/1499645

What Pakistan wants is a universal condemnation of India and its actions in Jammu & Kashmir. That no one, not even China, has actually condemned India, is one massive snub of Pakistan by the world. Pakistan is only showing its desperation by claiming every 'expression of concern over human rights violations' as its victory.
 
UNSC meeting on Kashmir a 'grave diplomatic failure' of govt: Congress

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...-get-it-cancelled-congress-1581538-2019-08-16

Talking to media persons in Delhi, Congress spokesperson Abhishek Manu Singhvi said the closed-door meeting, called at the behest of China, was "a matter of great concern to the entire nation".

The Congress on Friday said that the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) holding a closed-door consultation on Kashmir developments was a "diplomatic and strategic" failure of the BJP-led government and urged Prime Minister Narendra Modi to call his friends in the Security Council to get the meeting cancelled.

Talking to media persons here, Congress spokesperson Abhishek Manu Singhvi said the closed-door meeting, called at the behest of China, was "a matter of great concern to the entire nation".

"We are extremely disturbed, indeed shocked, at what we see happening at the UN supposedly at 7.30 IST. We view it as a matter of great concern to the entire nation, to every citizen of India," he said.

Singhvi said Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh were "integral, inalienable, untouchable" parts of India and nobody can state to the contrary.

"This is a non-negotiable issue, non-discussable issue as far as India is concerned," he said.

Singhvi said it shocking that after several decades "this is sought to be internationalised at the UNSC today".

"We are not misled by all these noises about open-door, closed-door... There is no such thing as closed-door in the internationalisation of such issues," he said.

Singhvi said that External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar was in China and the neighbouring country had the guts to approach the UN Security Council.

"Foreign Minister is in China discussing this very issue there. Our diplomats are being mollycoddled by the Chinese and while they are served tea and cakes, under the nose of Modi government, China has guts to approach the UN, which is having its meeting," he said.

He said the government has been giving the impression that China was "going along with us".

"Under the nose of the Modi government, while hosting our Foreign Minister, Chinese gets this meeting organised. Is it not a strategic failure for India apart from being diplomatic faux pas of the highest order. I implore, besiege the PM not to remain silent and implore all our friends, anyone of them in the UNSC to have this meeting cancelled," he said.

He said the issue was "not discussable, not open for discussion".

Referring to the re-organisation of Jammu and Kashmir into two union territories and repeal of Article 370, he said: "What we do we with laws is internal".

"The fundamental point is that under Shimla agreement, established foreign policy, some of these issues are bilateral issues. Here far from internal, bilateral, we are jumping to internationalisation. This is a grave diplomatic failure of the government. It is a grave strategic failure of the government," he said.

"We are also deeply concerned about the fact that something which has not happened for decades allowed to happen without any real protest from the government," he added

The UNSC is to hold closed-door consultations on the Kashmir developments on Friday at the request of China.

The diplomat said that China's request for the meeting was made in a letter and came up during the Council's informal consultations on Wednesday.

The format of the meeting as a closed-door consultation would preclude Pakistan participating in it.

Pakistan had asked for a meeting of the UNSC on Kashmir following India's decision to rescind Articles 370 and 35A of its Constitution that gave Jammu and Kashmir a special status.
 
Before this meeting itself China & even pakistan knew very well nothing will be the outcome of this meeting still they went ahead only pacify their public back home in pakistan.

Congress is bit scared due to the popularity attained by BJP by scrapping article 370...

So bottom line is nothing is going to change on ground, indians will slowly but quite surely enter state of J & K and from 15 to 20 years or may be 25 years from now bhagawaan ki krupa sey demographics will change ! haha
 
Before this meeting itself China & even pakistan knew very well nothing will be the outcome of this meeting still they went ahead only pacify their public back home in pakistan.

Congress is bit scared due to the popularity attained by BJP by scrapping article 370...

So bottom line is nothing is going to change on ground, indians will slowly but quite surely enter state of J & K and from 15 to 20 years or may be 25 years from now bhagawaan ki krupa sey demographics will change ! haha

True :))

Imran cant do jack about the situation and all his rhetoric is for domestic consumption so that it might seem that he tried and opposition can't blame him for giving up without a fight.
 
Before this meeting itself China & even pakistan knew very well nothing will be the outcome of this meeting still they went ahead only pacify their public back home in pakistan.

Congress is bit scared due to the popularity attained by BJP by scrapping article 370...

So bottom line is nothing is going to change on ground, indians will slowly but quite surely enter state of J & K and from 15 to 20 years or may be 25 years from now bhagawaan ki krupa sey demographics will change ! haha

True :))

Imran cant do jack about the situation and all his rhetoric is for domestic consumption so that it might seem that he tried and opposition can't blame him for giving up without a fight.

Indians support ethnic cleansing, but try to make it sound like they want to give Kashmiris better lives.

Fair kashmiri girls, change of demographics, etc... real Indian motives.

Then you wonder why Kashmiris dislike you people.
 
Indians support ethnic cleansing, but try to make it sound like they want to give Kashmiris better lives.

Fair kashmiri girls, change of demographics, etc... real Indian motives.

Then you wonder why Kashmiris dislike you people.

Sorry, history doesnt agree with you. Kashmir was ethnically cleansed of all non-muslims in the 80's & 90's where the demographics were altered to align with a certain political message.

As for Kashmir girls, the last I checked, a certain Pakistan cricketer was unable to find a suitable match in Pakistan so had to look across the border to marry an Indian girl. The same cricketer who was stupid enough with his antics on the border.
 
Sorry, history doesnt agree with you. Kashmir was ethnically cleansed of all non-muslims in the 80's & 90's where the demographics were altered to align with a certain political message.

As for Kashmir girls, the last I checked, a certain Pakistan cricketer was unable to find a suitable match in Pakistan so had to look across the border to marry an Indian girl. The same cricketer who was stupid enough with his antics on the border.

Kashmiris were driven to militancy because India could never keep their promises with them. India claims Kashmir legally seceded to India, if this is legally valid, it was done on the condition of autonomy. Yet India manipulated Kashmir politics, rigging elections, removing politicians from power whom they did not like, etc...

The expulsion of 100,000 - 200,000 pandits from the valley was wrong, but you dont see pakistanis or kashmiris laughing about it like you see indians above laughing about ethnic cleansing.

Hasan ali met an indian girl in dubai and they decided to get married. This is different than a politician saying bjp workers will now get to have fair skinned kashmiri girls (like they are somehow entitled to them). Or another politician saying we can now bring kashmiri girls to haryana becuase we killed our own female fetuses (again saying it like they own kashmiri women). I hope you can see the difference in context.
 
Indians support ethnic cleansing, but try to make it sound like they want to give Kashmiris better lives.

Fair kashmiri girls, change of demographics, etc... real Indian motives.

Then you wonder why Kashmiris dislike you people.

No ethnic cleansing. We will convert Kashmir into a region where people from all religions and regions can live together in peace.

In the future, Demographies of Kashmir would be something like 50% Hindus, 40% Muslims and Rest 10% Sikhs/Christians/Buddhists. It will be the most Multi-Ethnic and Multi-Religious region in India.

Gold.
 
No ethnic cleansing. We will convert Kashmir into a region where people from all religions and regions can live together in peace.

In the future, Demographies of Kashmir would be something like 50% Hindus, 40% Muslims and Rest 10% Sikhs/Christians/Buddhists. It will be the most Multi-Ethnic and Multi-Religious region in India.

Gold.

Lol.

You say no ethnic cleansing, then you go on to state what you want the demographics to be like, where the current majority is not the majority anymore.

That is called ethnic cleansing.
 
Kashmiris were driven to militancy because India could never keep their promises with them. India claims Kashmir legally seceded to India, if this is legally valid, it was done on the condition of autonomy. Yet India manipulated Kashmir politics, rigging elections, removing politicians from power whom they did not like, etc...

The expulsion of 100,000 - 200,000 pandits from the valley was wrong, but you dont see pakistanis or kashmiris laughing about it like you see indians above laughing about ethnic cleansing.

Hasan ali met an indian girl in dubai and they decided to get married. This is different than a politician saying bjp workers will now get to have fair skinned kashmiri girls (like they are somehow entitled to them). Or another politician saying we can now bring kashmiri girls to haryana becuase we killed our own female fetuses (again saying it like they own kashmiri women). I hope you can see the difference in context.

100,000 - 200,000....who are you kidding? It was entire generations of non-muslims in millions who were killed and made to flee so that the altered demographics suited the appetite of the political message. That was no poltical fight but pure homegrown terrorism.

Whats wrong with marrying girls from Kashmir? Don't folks in Pakistan marry girls from anywhere in teh country or is someone from Pindi only allowed to look for a match withing that area.

Article 370 or not, folks still married girls from kashmir. If there is a suitable match for a kashmiri girl or boy anywjere in the country, where is the issue? How does it matter if the match happens between a Haryanvi,Punjabi, Sindhi, balouch or any other ethhnicity if both sides are fine.
 
Lol.

You say no ethnic cleansing, then you go on to state what you want the demographics to be like, where the current majority is not the majority anymore.

That is called ethnic cleansing.

Ethnic Cleansing by definition is mass expulsion of a certain ethnic group by violent methods or genocide. This is exactly what Pandits went through when they were forced to flee their homeland.

The Kashmiri Muslims will always flourish in their state but will only be joined by other Indians from all over the country. So how is it ethnic cleansing ?

When more and more Indians will buy property and settle in Kashmir, demographies will change. Its a natural process of integration now that doors to Kashmir have been opened for people of all Indian States.
 
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100,000 - 200,000....who are you kidding? It was entire generations of non-muslims in millions who were killed and made to flee so that the altered demographics suited the appetite of the political message. That was no poltical fight but pure homegrown terrorism.

Whats wrong with marrying girls from Kashmir? Don't folks in Pakistan marry girls from anywhere in teh country or is someone from Pindi only allowed to look for a match withing that area.

Article 370 or not, folks still married girls from kashmir. If there is a suitable match for a kashmiri girl or boy anywjere in the country, where is the issue? How does it matter if the match happens between a Haryanvi,Punjabi, Sindhi, balouch or any other ethhnicity if both sides are fine.

You are ignoring the interference and blatant poll rigging india did in Kashmir. First India promised them autonomy then broke every promise. This was a catalyst that caused the militancy.

Millions???? I dont think that there were even millions of pandits in the valley to begin with. Even generous estimates given by Indians state there were 600,000 - 800,000. More conservative estimates are 100,000.

If you know otherwise, please provide sources, maybe the information I have is wrong.

Clearly you dont understand the difference of an organic marriage, and politicians saying they will bring fair skinned kashmiri girls (like they are some sort of token prize that bjp workers are entitled).

And when Indians are openly talking about changing demographics of the area, you wonder why people will take this talk of fair kashmiri girls as a negative statement?
 
Ethnic Cleansing by definition is mass expulsion of a certain ethnic group by violent methods or genocide. This is exactly what Pandits went through when they were forced to flee their homeland.

The Kashmiri Muslims will always flourish in their state but will only be joined by other Indians from all over the country. So how is it ethnic cleansing ?

When more and more Indians will buy property and settle in Kashmir, demographies will change.

and having 700,000 soldiers in the valley are not violent methods? Putting them on lock down without giving them a warning, is not something that will force them to reconsider living in kashmir? Obviously if they are suffering, they will be forced to flee their homelands.

This is classic ethnic cleansing.
 
You are ignoring the interference and blatant poll rigging india did in Kashmir. First India promised them autonomy then broke every promise. This was a catalyst that caused the militancy.

Millions???? I dont think that there were even millions of pandits in the valley to begin with. Even generous estimates given by Indians state there were 600,000 - 800,000. More conservative estimates are 100,000.

If you know otherwise, please provide sources, maybe the information I have is wrong.

Clearly you dont understand the difference of an organic marriage, and politicians saying they will bring fair skinned kashmiri girls (like they are some sort of token prize that bjp workers are entitled).

And when Indians are openly talking about changing demographics of the area, you wonder why people will take this talk of fair kashmiri girls as a negative statement?

Integration is bound to change demographics. You have to be pretty naive or dumb not to recognize that. When people move or relocate, it impacts demographics and everything else. With Kashmir being opened up to rest of the country what else do you think will happen.

Look at Europe and specifically at France. With the influx of muslims over the past 25 years, the muslim population is at almost 9%.
Most marriages are organic and are not geofenced. The ones that are not are not limited to a religion or a location.
 
100,000 - 200,000....who are you kidding? It was entire generations of non-muslims in millions who were killed and made to flee so that the altered demographics suited the appetite of the political message. That was no poltical fight but pure homegrown terrorism.

Whats wrong with marrying girls from Kashmir? Don't folks in Pakistan marry girls from anywhere in teh country or is someone from Pindi only allowed to look for a match withing that area.

Article 370 or not, folks still married girls from kashmir. If there is a suitable match for a kashmiri girl or boy anywjere in the country, where is the issue? How does it matter if the match happens between a Haryanvi,Punjabi, Sindhi, balouch or any other ethhnicity if both sides are fine.

Look at least get your facts right.
Kashmir was Muslim majority prior to 1947 and remains so upto present day..
 
Look at least get your facts right.
Kashmir was Muslim majority prior to 1947 and remains so upto present day..

which kashmir r u talking about ? If ur talking abt kashmir valley Yes it is muslim majority region
but if ur talking abt jammu & ladakh regions they r not muslim majority ones !
Infact Jammu division has more than 62% hindu , entire J & K state has 28% hindus today


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ISTANBUL: Turkey on Saturday welcomes the United Nations Security Council’s (UNSC) decision to address the issue of occupied Kashmir in its session.

A statement by the Turkish foreign office read, “We welcome the consultations held at the UN Security Council on Jammu and Kashmir (August 16) under the title "India-Pakistan", with a view to de-escalating tension in the region and upholding diplomacy. We believe that the UN should play a more active role in resolving the issue within the framework of the resolutions it adopted earlier.”

“We reaffirm our hope that the issue will be resolved on the basis of international law and through dialogue between the relevant parties and we call upon the parties to exercise restraint and to refrain from unilateral steps which may increase tension,” the statement added.

On Friday, the UNSC met for the first time in over five decades to discuss the critical situation in Indian occupied Kashmir, urging parties to the dispute to refrain from taking any unilateral action.

PM Imran welcomes UNSC decision to discuss Kashmir

The UNSC met behind closed doors at the request of China and Pakistan to discuss the Indian government's recent decision to revoke the special status of Occupied Kashmir.

The council had taken up the issue of the critical situation in Indian Occupied Kashmir after more than 50 years since it was last discussed on the platform, effectively rejecting India's stance that occupied Kashmir was an internal issue and not an internationally recognised dispute.



https://www.geo.tv/latest/245131-turkey-welcomes-unsc-consultations-on-occupied-kashmir
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The United Nations special rapporteur on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression David Kaye has said that the current situation in Indian Occupied Kashmir is really deeply disturbing.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KashmirHour?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KashmirHour</a> <a href="https://t.co/vvzxC7hH3Q">pic.twitter.com/vvzxC7hH3Q</a></p>— Govt of Pakistan (@pid_gov) <a href="https://twitter.com/pid_gov/status/1167406465914740736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The United Nations special rapporteur on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression David Kaye has said that the current situation in Indian Occupied Kashmir is really deeply disturbing.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KashmirHour?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KashmirHour</a> <a href="https://t.co/vvzxC7hH3Q">pic.twitter.com/vvzxC7hH3Q</a></p>— Govt of Pakistan (@pid_gov) <a href="https://twitter.com/pid_gov/status/1167406465914740736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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These guys get paid six figure dollar salaries to be "deeply disturbed" about stuff they have no power to change. Nice job if you can get one.
 
NEW YORK: Permanent Representative of Pakistan to the United Nations Maleeha Lodhi has called for not just words but action on part of the United Nations to deal with the grave crisis stemming from the illegal annexation of occupied Kashmir by India.

In an interview with Consortium News, an independent American current affairs television channel, she highlighted the gravity of the situation in the occupied valley where people have been suffering under a repressive military lockdown for over a month

Lodhi pushed for the implementation of the UN Security Council resolutions that have pledged the right of self-determination to the Kashmiri people to decide their future. She urged UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres to take steps to prevent a bigger crisis in South Asia.

"What has happened in occupied Jammu and Kashmir is certainly a flashpoint," Ambassador Lodhi said, while noting that the secretary-general and other UN officials have made statements in the wake of the ongoing crisis that called for a settlement of the Kashmir dispute.

"But we need action. We just don’t need words. We need action," she said emphatically. "There are already tensions which are at a peak between India and Pakistan, and the situation can snowball into a much bigger crisis," the Pakistani envoy warned.

"I think the UN certainly has long-standing obligations, and it also has immediate obligations, including ending the human rights violations that are going on in the occupied valley," she said.

Talking about the role of the UN secretary-general in resolving the crisis, the Pakistani envoy said his offer to mediate the Kashmir dispute has repeatedly been rejected by India.

"India refuses to talk to Pakistan. India refuses to accept mediation, whether it is mediation offered by US President (Donald) Trump or by the UN secretary-general, and India refuses to abide by it human rights commitments," Lodhi noted.

Questioned about Pakistani military's statement pledging to exercise all options over IoK, Ambassador Lodhi said that the intent of that statement was to say that Pakistan will stand by the people of Jammu and Kashmir no matter what.

The valley, which has been under a curfew since August 5, remains cut off from the rest of the world due to the continued blockade and suspension of internet, mobile and landline phones and closure of TV channels.

A humanitarian crisis has been looming in the valley as people face acute shortage of food, medicines and other commodities. Patients are even being denied life-saving medical care, suggest reports.

The near-total communications blackout has triggered global concern, with a group of UN human rights experts warning it amounted to "collective punishment" and risked exacerbating regional tensions.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/247071-pakistan-urges-un-to-prevent-bigger-crisis-in-occupied-kashmir
 
Maleeha Lodhi has done an excellent job to keep the pressure on the UN.

This work will all come into play when the armed conflict between both nations starts, which it will soon enough.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan welcomes UN Security Council discussing the situation in Jammu & Kashmir again. An internationally recognized dispute, J&K remains on the Security Council’s agenda & its consideration by the Council reflects a recognition of the seriousness of the prevailing situation.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1217718387666714625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 16, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">J&K dispute must be resolved in accordance with relevant UN Security Council resolutions & the will of the Kashmiri people. We will continue to provide moral, political and diplomatic support to the Kashmiri people until they secure their inalienable right to self-determination.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1217718392242741248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 16, 2020</a></blockquote>
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There was no outside discussion though, Thanks to France , I never understood why France has always been supportive of us on multiple fronts throughout since 1947.
 
There was no outside discussion though, Thanks to France , I never understood why France has always been supportive of us on multiple fronts throughout since 1947.

France and UK as well this time.

Russia too gave a statement that the matter is to be solved bilaterally.

US as usual opposed the chinese.

With 4 of the 5 permanent members not interested. This was DOA.
 
There was no outside discussion though, Thanks to France , I never understood why France has always been supportive of us on multiple fronts throughout since 1947.

A $10 B fighter contract buys a lot of support.

Anyway, if France didn't act, I am sure Trump would have asked the US UN Ambassador to act, or India would have simply sent a message to Russia and it would have acted.
 
A $10 B fighter contract buys a lot of support.

Anyway, if France didn't act, I am sure Trump would have asked the US UN Ambassador to act, or India would have simply sent a message to Russia and it would have acted.

Naw as per Indian report its France, the 10B support is now I meant historically why have they.
 
France and UK as well this time.

Russia too gave a statement that the matter is to be solved bilaterally.

US as usual opposed the chinese.

With 4 of the 5 permanent members not interested. This was DOA.

Well that worked out well Imran lol...

India should propose to discuss Ughyur muslim issue in UNSC,

I am sure, UK, France, US would be onboard, which is more support than what the Kashmir issue will ever get..
 
Well that worked out well Imran lol...

India should propose to discuss Ughyur muslim issue in UNSC,

I am sure, UK, France, US would be onboard, which is more support than what the Kashmir issue will ever get..

What are you even "lol"ing at?

You should be ashamed that you're treating the kashmiris so poorly and you're laughing at it.

What else can you expect from these Sanghis?
 
I would rather we do this than stupidity of the past. But equally we must have faith in stupidity of our neighbors.
 
What are you even "lol"ing at?

You should be ashamed that you're treating the kashmiris so poorly and you're laughing at it.

What else can you expect from these Sanghis?

You should be ashamed of keeping a blind eye to China's atrocities for the Ughyur Muslims. They are being tortured, made to eat pork, their organs being harvested...You see all this but will keep a blind eye. Pathetic..What else do you expect from Imranstas
 
Amazing.

RSS/BJP/Hindutva are cheering each other for paying to other countries so they can continue to support rape, murder, and oppression in Kashmir and rest of India while lecturing Pakistani for not speaking against China.

These sanghis are different creatures.
 
Amazing.

RSS/BJP/Hindutva are cheering each other for paying to other countries so they can continue to support rape, murder, and oppression in Kashmir and rest of India while lecturing Pakistani for not speaking against China.

These sanghis are different creatures.

A PTI supporter holding double standard.... Not suprised. After all imran is doing the same.
 
China isolated on Kashmir issue at UNSC, 14 nations refuse discussion in big win for India

Yet another attempt by China to internationalise the issue of Kashmir, at the behest of its all-weather ally Pakistan, failed miserably at the United Nations on Wednesday.

China sought a "closed-door consultation" under "AOB" (Any Other Business) at the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) after the listed issues were discussed. The meeting was based on the old request of Pakistan and was scheduled for December 24 but could not take place.

Sources have told India Today TV that the second consultation after the August 2019 closed-door meeting on Kashmir also ended with "zero" outcome.

Indian envoy to the UN, Syed Akbaruddin told India Today TV, "We are happy that neither the alarmist scenario painted by neither representatives of Pakistan, nor any of the baseless allegations in UN were found to be credible today."

There were no takers for China's request. All other 14 members of the UNSC were of the view that this was not a matter that needed discussion at this point, said a source.

Two countries - France and UK - came out and categorically called it a "bilateral" issue between India and Pakistan.

Russian envoy Dmitry Polyanskiy also agreed Kashmir is a bilateral matter. In a tweet, he said, "UNSC discussed Kashmir in closed consultations. Russia firmly stands for the normalisation of relations between India and Pakistan. We hope that differences between them will be settled through bilateral efforts based on the 1972 Simla Agreement and the 1999 Lahore Declaration."

French diplomatic sources said, "France has noted the request of a UNSC member (namely China) to raise the issue of Kashmir once again in this body. France's position has not changed and is very clear: the Kashmir issue must be settled bilaterally as we have stated on several occasions."

India Today TV has learnt that UK was forthright in saying that "bilateral" dialogue has no place in the United Nations. US, on its part, also added that the issue did not belong "here" (the UNSC).

Ambassador Akbaruddin called out the distractions that were being created by Pakistan at a time when Indian administration has been trying to make efforts to normalise the situation in the union territory of Jammu and Kashmir.

"We are glad that the effort was viewed as a distraction and it was pointed by many friends that bilateral mechanisms are available to raise and address issues that Pakistan may have in its ties with India," said the envoy.

Similarly, another member of the UNSC called Kashmir a "bilateral" issue. Speaking on the sidelines of an event in New Delhi, Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Reinsalu said, "It is a bilateral issue."

The decision to push for Kashmir at the UNSC by Pakistan through China comes days after India took a batch of 15 foreign envoys to Jammu and Kashmir. There have also been some relaxations in broadband and 2G data usage for essential services and the release of a few political detainees.

The P5 minus China and the other ten member states in the room stood opposed to the idea of discussing the issue.

"Pakistan's practice of using false pretenses to distract from addressing the malaise that afflicts it has run its course today," Akbaruddin said, calling out Pakistan in using China every step of the way in the world body.

The international community might have views on the issue of Kashmir and have raised it bilaterally with India. But none wants to cede space to China or to Pakistan to internationalise an issue that has massive security implications.

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india...d-on-kashmir-issue-at-unsc-1637238-2020-01-16
 
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India rebukes UN chief's offer, says 'no scope for third party mediation' on Kashmir

India has rejected United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres's offer for mediation on the Kashmir issue and said that "there is no role or scope for third party mediation", The Hindu reported on Monday.

Guterres had made the offer a day earlier in Islamabad while speaking at a joint press conference with Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi. The UN chief had called for resolution to the Kashmir dispute by honouring resolutions of the UN Security Council.

Guterres offered his role as a mediator and said his "good offices" could be used for this purpose. Discussing relations between Pakistan and India, he stressed the need for de-escalation, both militarily and verbally.

India rejected his offer for mediation late Sunday.

"The issue of [Jammu and Kashmir] that needs to be addressed is that of vacation of the territories illegally and forcibly occupied by Pakistan," claimed Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) spokesperson Raveesh Kumar. "Further issues, if any, would be discussed bilaterally. There is no role or scope for third party mediation."

According to The Hindu, Kumar said that India hopes Gutteres will "emphasise on the imperative for Pakistan to take credible, sustained and irreversible action to put an end to cross-border terrorism against India".

India Prime Minister Narendra Modi has alleged that Pakistan continues to wage a "proxy war" against India by "backing militants" in occupied Kashmir — a charge repeatedly denied by Pakistan — where tens of thousands of people have died in recent decades.

This is not the first time India has rejected an offer for mediation on the Kashmir dispute.

In July 2019, US President Donald Trump had expressed his willingness to mediate between India and Pakistan to resolve the 70-year-old Kashmir dispute — an offer he has repeated but has been rejected by India.

Last week, India took exception to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's unequivocal support for the people of Indian occupied Kashmir (IoK) and told Turkey to "not interfere in India's internal affairs."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1535025/i...no-scope-for-third-party-mediation-on-kashmir
 
^ Got to love the strong stance of Indian govt as far as Kashmir is concerned and the status quo they maintained for years. It doesn't matter if its Imran's tweets, Turkish PM or Chinese President or some one from UN or anti nationals within India itself, Indian govt always maintained "Kashmir is internal matter and no 3rd party interferene pls".

Many countries would have faltered by now due to the pressure but it appears to me that Indian govt is a tough tough nut to crack.
 
^ Got to love the strong stance of Indian govt as far as Kashmir is concerned and the status quo they maintained for years. It doesn't matter if its Imran's tweets, Turkish PM or Chinese President or some one from UN or anti nationals within India itself, Indian govt always maintained "Kashmir is internal matter and no 3rd party interferene pls".

Many countries would have faltered by now due to the pressure but it appears to me that Indian govt is a tough tough nut to crack.

India: Kashmir is al internal matter and no 3rd party interference

Also India: Here are a couple of far-right EU leaders and an Afghan envoy to tell everyone that ’all is well’ in the Kashmir Valley.
 
Pakistan raises J&K at UN again, demands lifting of communication blockade, release of politicians

Pakistan on Tuesday appealed to the United Nations Human Rights Council for the immediate lifting of the communication blockade, and the release of political leaders and activists, in Jammu and Kashmir. Speaking at the 43rd session of the Human Rights Council in Switzerland, the country said any kind of inaction by the international community will only “embolden” India.

Jammu and Kashmir has been in partial lockdown since August 5, when the Centre revoked special status to the state under Article 370 of the Indian Constitution and split it into two union territories. Several major political leaders were put under house arrest, and communication systems were blocked.

Demanding that all actions taken by the Indian government since August 5 be repealed, Pakistan Minister for Human Rights Shireen Mazari alleged that India continues to violate the human rights of the Kashmiri people. She alleged that “over six thousand Kashmiri people, activists... were arrested without the due process of law” and demanded their immediate release.

Recently, the Jammu and Kashmir administration booked several Kashmiri politicians under the Public Safety Act. The Act allows the accused to be detained without trial for three months, a period which can be extended. Former Chief Ministers Omar Abdullah, Farooq Abdullah and Mehbooba Mufti, National Conference leader Hilal Lone, Peoples Democratic Party leader Naeem Akhtar have all been detained under the Act in recent weeks.

The Pakistani minister added that any “inaction” by the international community and the council will only “embolden” India to act with impunity.

On Monday the Jammu and Kashmir administration extended the ban on high speed 3G and 4G internet services till March 4. Last week, the administration had said the ban will continue till February 24, and whitelisted 1,485 websites for access in the region.

Mobile 2G internet services were restored in a limited way for both prepaid and postpaid connections after over five months on January 25. However, this access was provided to only 301 “whitelisted” websites. The administration has been gradually increasing the number of whitelisted websites for access in the region.

Eleven days after Parliament revoked Jammu and Kashmir’s special status, the United Nations Security Council conducted the first closed-door meeting even as India reiterated that Kashmir was an internal matter. It was the first time in over 50 years that the UN Security Council held a meeting exclusively to discuss Kashmir.

Pakistan had then claimed that it was not its “last step” with regard to Kashmir. After the meeting, China said members of the Security Council had voiced deep concerns about the situation in the region, and hoped that the “relevant parties will exercise restraint and refrain from taking unilateral actions”. It also called upon the two countries to resolve the matter through dialogue.

However, the Narendra Modi government has repeatedly faced global pressure to restore normalcy in the Valley. On October 25, the United States asked India to provide a road map for the restoration of normalcy in the region, including the immediate release of all political detainees.

https://scroll.in/latest/954302/pak...communication-blockade-release-of-politicians
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I welcome the UNSC for again taking up the Jammu & Kashmir dispute, which has been on its agenda for over 70 yrs. The UNSC, under the UN Charter, not only has the responsibility for maintaining international peace & security but also of ensuring implementation of its resolutions.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1291410517081444355?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We thank the Council members who expressed concern over the deteriorating human rights & humanitarian situation in IIOJK, advised against escalation of tensions, underscored the need for respecting international law & called for a peaceful resolution of the dispute.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1291410520105529355?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan’s position remains clear & unambiguous. The J&K dispute must be resolved in accordance with the relevant UNSC resolutions granting Kashmiri people the right of self determination under a free & fair plebiscite.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1291410525000278016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan will continue to extend all possible support to the Kashmiri people until they secure this inalienable right.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1291410527978168321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2020</a></blockquote>
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UNSC rejects Pakistan attempt to name Indians on terror list blocked by US, UK, France, Germany and Belgium respectively.

The UN Security Council, led by France, United Kingdom and the United States, has rejected all Pakistan’s attempts to list Indians as designated terrorists under its 1267 Committee for Counterterrorism Sanctions. The UNSC committee decided to block the designations of Angara Appaji and Gobinda Patnaik on Wednesday, part of a group of four Indians that Pakistan alleged formed an Afghanistan-based “Indian terror syndicate” that was organising the banned terror groups Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and Jamaat-Ul-Ahrar (JuA) to carry out attacks in Pakistan.

Also read: India to protest Pakistan claims on terror at U.N.

India’s UN envoy T.S. Tirumurti hailed the UNSC decision. “Pakistan’s blatant attempt to politicize 1267 special procedure on terrorism by giving it a religious colour, has been thwarted by UN Security Council. We thank all those Council members who have blocked Pakistan’s designs,” he wrote in a tweet.

Two other Indian names proffered by Pakistan: Venumadhav Dongara was blocked by the US on June 19, and Ajoy Mistry had been blocked by US, UK, France, Germany and Belgium on July 16, respectively.


The same five countries had also placed a “hold” on Mr. Appaji and Mr. Patnaik’s names, asking Pakistan to furnish evidence of their involvement. Since the evidence was not provided, officials said the UNSC committee, which holds a “closed-door” session, decided to “block” or reject all the names. According to sources all five countries placing the hold also blocked it, although US, UK and France were prime movers, indicating that the other Permanent members, China and Russia, did not try to block the move by Pakistan.

Also read: Pakistan to remain on ‘greylist’ of terror financing watchdog FATF

The rejection of Pakistan’s request comes a week after Pakistan claimed it had made a statement at an Open Debate of the Security Council on the Report of the Secretary-General on the Threats to International Peace and Security posed by Terrorism Actions, accusing India of “four types of terrorism”. However, the UNSC President had refused to take cognisance of the letter, as Pakistan is not a member of the UNSC.

Pakistan had named the four Indian nationals in an application to the UNSC in 2019, claiming that they now reside in India, and accused India of being a “state-sponsor of terrorism”. After the rejection of the first name on the list, of Venumadhav Dongara, the Pakistani Foreign Office had said it was “disappointed”.

“These individuals were financing, sponsoring and organising terrorism inside Pakistan by providing financial, technical and material support to terrorist groups including TTP, Jamaat-ul-Ahrar and others,” the Pakistani Foreign Office had said in June, a charge India has denied.

As The Hindu had reported earlier, Indian officials believe Pakistan’s increasing attempts to implicate India with accusations of terrorism, is part of a larger strategy to try and create controversies ahead of India’s tenure at the UN Security Council in 2021-2022.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...st-indians-on-terror-list/article32507766.ece
 
Can’t we believe we bought MIG and still Russia isn’t voting for us in UN, should just cancel it.
Good to see Germany voting in our favor finally
 
Can’t we believe we bought MIG and still Russia isn’t voting for us in UN, should just cancel it.
Good to see Germany voting in our favor finally

Russia wasn't needed to vote. 3 unsc permanent members and 2 non permanent members blocked it.

You dont play all cards at once.
 
Can’t we believe we bought MIG and still Russia isn’t voting for us in UN, should just cancel it.
Good to see Germany voting in our favor finally

India hasn't bought any MiGs in ages.

In fact, India is actually buying more toys from Western nations now.
 
UNSC rejects Pakistan attempt to name Indians on terror list blocked by US, UK, France, Germany and Belgium respectively.

The UN Security Council, led by France, United Kingdom and the United States, has rejected all Pakistan’s attempts to list Indians as designated terrorists under its 1267 Committee for Counterterrorism Sanctions. The UNSC committee decided to block the designations of Angara Appaji and Gobinda Patnaik on Wednesday, part of a group of four Indians that Pakistan alleged formed an Afghanistan-based “Indian terror syndicate” that was organising the banned terror groups Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and Jamaat-Ul-Ahrar (JuA) to carry out attacks in Pakistan.


https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...st-indians-on-terror-list/article32507766.ece

LOLWUT??? Can't believe I'm reading this!

Everyone knows that TTP owes its existence to Pakistan's ISI.
Now Pakistan accuses them of working with India to promote terror on Pakistan's soil?

When did the honeymoon end?

No wonder the folks at the UN didn't take Pakistan seriously.
 
India hasn't bought any MiGs in ages.

In fact, India is actually buying more toys from Western nations now.

21 MiG-29s will join the IAF in the next 2 fiscal years.
 
LOLWUT??? Can't believe I'm reading this!

Everyone knows that TTP owes its existence to Pakistan's ISI.
Now Pakistan accuses them of working with India to promote terror on Pakistan's soil?

When did the honeymoon end?

No wonder the folks at the UN didn't take Pakistan seriously.

You literally have no idea about this matter if you are saying that. TTP is different to Taliban or haqqani network... read up on this
 
Russia wasn't needed to vote. 3 unsc permanent members and 2 non permanent members blocked it.

You dont play all cards at once.

Ok, And this UN thing is utter nonsense if 5 countries control everything , UN probably is the most political organization in the world.
 
UNITED NATIONS: Pakistan reminded India on Friday that Kashmir cannot be removed from the agenda of the UN Security Council (UNSC), which was committed to resolving the issue according to the wishes of the Kashmiri people.

“Indian representatives are either deluding themselves, or deluding their public, by asserting that they will remove Kashmir from the Security Council’s agenda,” said Munir Akram, Pakistan’s permanent representative to the United Nations, while commenting on the Indian move.

“It will not happen”, he said.

Ambassador Akram argued that the Security Council’s agenda was set in accordance with the established rules and procedures and could be changed only by a consensus decision of the council. “A member state cannot change the agenda unilaterally.”

India asked the UN body earlier this week to remove Kashmir from its agenda to prevent Pakistan from raising it at the 75th session of the UN General Assembly, which begins in New York later this month.

India has asked the UN Security Council to take the dispute off its agenda

In its statement on the Report of the Security Council for 2019, India complained that Pakistan “keeps pushing for discussions on an outdated agenda item in the council” which for “all matter needs to be removed from the council’s agenda permanently”.

Since Aug 5, 2019, when India illegally merged the disputed territory with it, Pakistan has raised the Kashmir issue three times inside the council with China’s support.

The Indians, however, argue that the merger — although illegal — has ended the disputed nature of occupied Kashmir and therefore it should be removed from the council’s agenda.

The UNSC does not recognise the Indian claim and not only treats occupied Kashmir as an unresolved dispute but also maintains military observers on both sides of the Line of Control (LoC). Every year, the council puts occupied Kashmir on its agenda as “the India-Pakistan Question”, making it clear that it sees it as a territory disputed between the two countries.

Diplomatic sources at the UN headquarters in New York told Dawn that India has long sought to remove the “India-Pakistan Question” from the agenda of the Security Council. Despite its best efforts, India’s attempts have failed consistently.

Describing the Indian claim as “outlandish”, one UN diplomat said an agenda item could only be closed if a dispute was settled or “there is a consensus decision” of the Security Council to remove it from its agenda.

“This is obviously not true in the case of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute,” the diplomat added.

“It is a pity that a country which is so eager to join the council is not even aware of the basic rules of procedure governing its functions,” said another diplomat.

The Security Council, as a primary organ of the United Nations, is entrusted with the responsibility of maintaining international peace and security, which requires it to keep a list of items on its agenda. No item can be removed from the agenda if even one UN member state requests it’s retention.

Pakistan annually requests retention of the agenda item called “the India-Pakistan Question” under which the Jammu and Kashmir issue has been discussed since 1948.

The item was first inscribed on the agenda of the Security Council in its formal meeting on Jan 20, 1948 and since then the council has adopted 16 resolutions on Jammu and Kashmir.

Paragraph 72 of the Security Council’s annual report to the General Assembly on its work during 2019 records that following India’s illegal actions of Aug 5 the Security Council considered the situation in Jammu and Kashmir on Aug 16 under the item “India-Pakistan Question”.

Several letters addressed to the president of the Security Council last year and in 2020 have all been officially circulated under the same item. The mandate of the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) was authorised by a decision of the Security Council under the same agenda item.

UNMOGIP remains stationed in Jammu and Kashmir, another affirmation that the Kashmir dispute remains on the agenda of the Security Council.

The group regularly monitors and reports the ceasefire violations along the LoC in Jammu and Kashmir, allowing the council to remain seized of the developments there.

“The UN Military Observers are stationed in Kashmir and ceasefire violations are reported daily to the UNHQ and to the Security Council; this is proof that this dispute remains under the active consideration of the Security Council and is in no way outdated,” Ambassador Akram said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1578012/kashmir-cant-be-removed-from-un-agenda-pakistan
 
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