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Oman’s leader Qaboos bin Said al Said has given El Al permission to fly over his country’s airspace, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Monday, at an annual conference for Israeli ambassadors serving abroad.

Netanyahu said that the sultan’s permission to El Al came during his visit there in October.

Earlier this year, Oman and Saudi Arabia granted Air India the right to fly over their countries on the way to and from Israel. Saudi Arabia has not given similar permission to El Al, and without that permission, the ability to fly over Oman is largely symbolic, with little practical significance.

Netanyahu also said that as a result of Chad’s President Idriss Déby’s visit two weeks to Israel, it is now possible to fly over that central African country.

“At this time, we can overfly Egypt. We can overfly Chad, that has already been set. And to all appearances, we can also overfly this corner of Sudan,” he said, pointing on a map to the northwestern corner of Sudan that borders Egypt, Chad, and Libya. The ability to fly to South America over Egypt, Sudan and Chad would cut at least two hours in flight time from the more circuitous route taken today.

“This opens other markets. This is another quarter of a billion people,” the prime minister said.

Currently, Israel and Sudan have no diplomatic relations, though there were reports following Déby’s visit that Sudan would be the next African state in line to establish ties with Israel. This, however, was denied by the leader of the ruling party in Sudan.

Netanyahu’s comments about the flights came as discussed how Israel’s diplomatic relations have flourished – a product of the intelligence and technology it has to offer.

“The combination of our intelligence and technological capabilities gives us a map of relations that is getting bigger,” Netanyahu said, adding that the most important flight route to Israel is the direct flight to San Francisco, California.

“It doesn’t matter how many flight are added, there are not enough,” he said of this route to Silicon Valley. “These are not tourists, these are investors.”

The second most important route, he said, was to Beijing and other cities in China. “This is the biggest market that has opened, and it is important to get a free trade agreement.”

And the third most important route, he said, is to India, noting that Air India flies to and from New Delhi everyday directly over Saudi Arabia.

“Soon we will fly to Mumbai,” he said, referring to a new direct flight over Saudi Arabia and Oman to Mumbai, since El Al currently flies there via a more circuitous route. “Tel Aviv-Mumbai is a shorter flight than Tel Aviv-London,” he added.

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/N...-allowed-El-Al-to-utilize-its-airspace-573942

This has little significance for El Al without KSA also allowing overflight rights, but one step at a time. They have two Eastbound routes that could benefit from the reduced travel time and fuel spend: TLV-BOM and TLV-BKK.

For reference, AI are being allowed to overfly both Oman and KSA en route to Israel on their DEL-TLV route but having an AI plane on the ground in KSA in case of IRROPS is far more palatable at this point that having an El Al plane on the ground. But mark my words, it will happen in a few short years.
 
This has little significance for El Al without KSA also allowing overflight rights, but one step at a time. They have two Eastbound routes that could benefit from the reduced travel time and fuel spend: TLV-BOM and TLV-BKK.

For reference, AI are being allowed to overfly both Oman and KSA en route to Israel on their DEL-TLV route but having an AI plane on the ground in KSA in case of IRROPS is far more palatable at this point that having an El Al plane on the ground. But mark my words, it will happen in a few short years.

Seems Iran needs to be dealt with first before each other, like some mash/match ups on WWE.
 
Oman allows Israeli planes to use airspace, Netanyahu says

Jerusalem

Oman will let Israeli planes fly through its airspace, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday, in another sign of his country's efforts toward ties with Arab states despite the conflict with the Palestinians.

The announcement follows Netanyahu's surprise visit to Oman in October.

Only two Arab countries -- Jordan and Egypt -- officially recognise Israel.

"When I was in Oman I spoke with Sultan Qaboos, who told me El Al would be able to fly over Oman," Netanyahu said.

The permission however provides Israel with little immediate practical use since its planes cannot fly over Oman's neighbour Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia in March began allowing Air India flights between New Delhi and Tel Aviv to use its airspace, but not Israeli carriers.

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Israel's occupation of the West Bank and conflict with the Palestinians have been obstacles toward relations with Arab countries.

Speaking with Israeli diplomats in an annual conference in Jerusalem, Netanyahu claimed that unspecified Arab leaders do not wish to condition their "normalisation with Israel" on resolving the conflict with the Palestinians.

"This doesn't mean peace agreements (with Arab states) yet, but it certainly means that our progress toward normalisation and peace, instead of what we always thought -- from peace with the Palestinians to the Arab world -- could happen in the opposite direction," he said.

Israel has made headway in recent months in its efforts towards ties with Arab nations in the Gulf that do not officially recognise the country, including through sport.

In October, Israeli Sports Minister Miri Regev toured the UAE's famed Sheikh Zayed mosque, Israel's communications minister delivered a speech in Dubai and the Israeli national anthem was played at a judo competition in Abu Dhabi.

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/world...o-use-airspace/1068-4889770-pn2w6t/index.html
 
this whole "normalization process" with the Jewish ethnostate will eventually fail iA, the Arab autocrats are totally disconnected from the masses here.
 
This has little significance for El Al without KSA also allowing overflight rights, but one step at a time. They have two Eastbound routes that could benefit from the reduced travel time and fuel spend: TLV-BOM and TLV-BKK.

For reference, AI are being allowed to overfly both Oman and KSA en route to Israel on their DEL-TLV route but having an AI plane on the ground in KSA in case of IRROPS is far more palatable at this point that having an El Al plane on the ground. But mark my words, it will happen in a few short years.

We should care why? I know Arab Israeli relations are a pet subject of yours, but I am going to invite you to take the stage and give us the lowdown on why it matters for Pakistan. I'm assuming that is the angle you are looking at when posting these threads, can't imagine it makes much difference to those of us who are scattered in other parts of the world.
 
We should care why? I know Arab Israeli relations are a pet subject of yours, but I am going to invite you to take the stage and give us the lowdown on why it matters for Pakistan. I'm assuming that is the angle you are looking at when posting these threads, can't imagine it makes much difference to those of us who are scattered in other parts of the world.

It does not matter to Pakistan, any more than any other geo-political event not involving that country directly.

However, we have been here long enough to appreciate that Time Pass is a section where global news stories are broadcast and dissected. Right now, I can see other threads on a shooting in a place called Strasbourg, a contentious Statue in India, and a Turkish journalist's alleged murder by Saudi Arabia. None of these have anything to do with Pakistan per-se either, but they are there, and so are the replies to them.

If you have decided to steer clear of global threads from this sub-forum, that is your prerogative. However, I encourage you - for integration's sake - to not stick to threads on Pakistan. After all, being a native Brit, you should go all guns blazing on the 'Should Theresa May resign...' thread. Unfortunately, it is languishing at a mere 4 posts at the moment - none of them from you. :(
 
It does not matter to Pakistan, any more than any other geo-political event not involving that country directly.

However, we have been here long enough to appreciate that Time Pass is a section where global news stories are broadcast and dissected. Right now, I can see other threads on a shooting in a place called Strasbourg, a contentious Statue in India, and a Turkish journalist's alleged murder by Saudi Arabia. None of these have anything to do with Pakistan per-se either, but they are there, and so are the replies to them.

If you have decided to steer clear of global threads from this sub-forum, that is your prerogative. However, I encourage you - for integration's sake - to not stick to threads on Pakistan. After all, being a native Brit, you should go all guns blazing on the 'Should Theresa May resign...' thread. Unfortunately, it is languishing at a mere 4 posts at the moment - none of them from you. :(

That's absolutely fine, just thought you should be given the chance to put your case that you might be putting these arguments for philanthropic reasons as an Indian well-wisher of Pakistan. Carry on, we shall read and reflect as always.
 
this whole "normalization process" with the Jewish ethnostate will eventually fail iA, the Arab autocrats are totally disconnected from the masses here.

More than that spelling doom for Arab - Israeli relations, it will lead to a lot of churn in Arab society itself should the populace turn against the ruling class.

The people of these rich Gulf countries better choose wisely - they have plenty of recent examples around them of nations falling apart after an attempted overthrow of the government to no good effect. Trying to attempt such a stunt over some perceived closeness to Israel will probably not be worth it.
 
More than that spelling doom for Arab - Israeli relations, it will lead to a lot of churn in Arab society itself should the populace turn against the ruling class.

The people of these rich Gulf countries better choose wisely - they have plenty of recent examples around them of nations falling apart after an attempted overthrow of the government to no good effect. Trying to attempt such a stunt over some perceived closeness to Israel will probably not be worth it.

I think you don't quite understand the hate towards Jews in the Islamic and particularly Arab world, it's bound to fail, that'd be like in your context someone opening up to traditional enemies of Hindus like Arabs, Turks or Afghans.
 
I think you don't quite understand the hate towards Jews in the Islamic and particularly Arab world, it's bound to fail, that'd be like in your context someone opening up to traditional enemies of Hindus like Arabs, Turks or Afghans.

I didn't disagree. Merely said that if the people rose up against their government because of their opposition to closer ties with Israel, it would only be to their detriment. Saudi / Bahrain / Kuwait / Oman / UAE etc. are still fine places to live especially for citizen Arabs - do they really want to turn against their Sheikhs, cause a commotion, and ruin their lavish existence?

Specimen A: Syria Specimen B: Egypt - we saw how these ended.
 
I didn't disagree. Merely said that if the people rose up against their government because of their opposition to closer ties with Israel, it would only be to their detriment. Saudi / Bahrain / Kuwait / Oman / UAE etc. are still fine places to live especially for citizen Arabs - do they really want to turn against their Sheikhs, cause a commotion, and ruin their lavish existence?

Specimen A: Syria Specimen B: Egypt - we saw how these ended.

You may have a point or not but the Gulf states are soooooo different to Syria and Egypt. Chalk and cheese.
 
You may have a point or not but the Gulf states are soooooo different to Syria and Egypt. Chalk and cheese.

Indeed they are. However, all nations are the same when they're on the brink of collapse. Refer Bahrain 2011.
 
Jordan to temporarily close airspace, state media says

April 13 (Reuters) - Jordan will temporarily close its airspace for several hours beginning at 11 p.m. (2000 GMT) to all incoming, departing and transit aircraft, state-owned Al Mamlaka news said on Saturday.

Aviation authorities cited by Al Mamlaka said the situation would be "continuously updated and reviewed according to developments".

Earlier on Saturday, Al-Mamlaka quoted Haitham Misto, the chairman of Jordan's Civil Aviation Regulatory Commission, as saying interference in Jordanian air traffic had affected its GPS system, prompting planes in the area to use alternative navigation systems.

Source: The Reuters
 
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