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On a bad wicket which batsman would you choose in an all time World Test XI?

Harsh Thakor

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This is my choice of batsman for a pitch untrue for test cricket with inconsistent bounce.



1.Victor Trumper


Proved his prowess on wet sticklers scoring at a mythical run rate.Average of 0ver 39 not impressive but if you consider nature of wickets and domination you would have to regard Trumper as mythical.





2.Jack Hobbs


Scored half of his 197 centuries on bad pitches and around 30,000 runs before the War.Even Bradman could not match his craftsmanship on a pitch with cracks or soaked with rain.His hundreds agaisnt Australia at the Oval in 1926 and at Melbourne in1928-29 for sheer virtuosity in conditions of adversity,may never be surpassed.





3.George Headley


Outscored Bradman on wet pitches and played the role of a lone crusader more than anyone.Principally a backfoot player but still posessed an amazing range of strokes.I doubt Lara or Viv could have surpassed Headley on tearing pitch.Averaged 60+ which was remarkable.
Provoked fans to term Bradman as the 'White Headley.'Considering his era tok batting to untraversed heights.





4.Ian Chappell

Whn the chips were down or when a side was n the depths of despair Ian could be more handy than even Viv Richards or Greg Chappell.I can never forget his dancing down the spinners to combat vicious turn or fending of or hooking to confront short-pitched deliveries at express pace.Averaged over 50 at one down as well as scored 12 centuries.Better player of a bouncing ball or spin than brother Greg or Steve Waugh.





5.Alan Border/Neil Harvey


The ultimate champion in losing causes but still won important games or series for Australia.No left hander was as combative on bad wickets as Border who resembled a surgeon performing an operation.At his best when scoring 2 150's in a single test at Lahore on a turning pitch in 1980 ,100and 98.n.o at Trinidad in 1984 and 79 n.o at Melbourne v England in 1982-83.

Harvey could bat like a magician when the situation demanded like when sculpting a famous win in run chase of 336 runs against South Africa in 1951.Instrumental in shaping Australia into aside of world beaters revealing skill of mythical heights in adverse conditions in England.





6.Javed Miandad

Although not as agressive as Viv Richards or as correct as Gavaskar morally more combative than anyone on his day.Border may have been a whisker ahead to bat for your life ,bit not as effective in niggling opponents to the limit.Whether on a wet English pitch or a final day Australian wicket with inconsistent bounce Javed was the ultimate battler.Miandad wast he ultimate catalyst as an improviser.Chosen over Drvaid or Steve Waugh because of the weight of his sheer character.




7.Gary Sobers /WG Grace


Not only could he take opposing bowling attacks to complete submission Sobers also was master in conquering bad wickets.A perfect illustration was his 1113 against England at Kingston i 1968-69 when he all but won the game from the depths of despair.His 254 at Melbourne in 1972 was not far behind nor his 132 in the tied test in terms of sheer prowess.Sobers would also played a role as a bowler and all-rounder overall.

Grace registered scores of 344 and 400 on wicket of uncut grass and in such conditions amassed 54896 runs , scored 126 centuries and scored over 1000 run sin 28 English seasons.For sheer domination ,presence or impact Grace had no equal.Grace also captured 2876 wickets and took 100 wickets in a season 8 times.




The likes of Bradman,Lara,Tendulkar,Gavaskar,Pollock ,Barry or Viv just miss out as they were at their best on genuine wickets.Rahul Dravid came closest to missing out here or even Steve Waugh as bad wicket specialists.
 
I will chose W.G Grace. He was tall and intimidating to the best of fast bowlers. Had the best cover drive drive and his pull was straight from the batting paradises and dont get me started on his footwork against spinners. His footwork was like that of bruce lee. Fast and finely tuned. There was no better sweeper in the game than him maybe because he was an experienced sweeper at his clinic. He was like ripped apart his opposition like a surgeon ripped apart his patients. And one last thing he had advantage was that he use to have an extra life if he got out early because the public only came to watch him bat.
He is God's greatest gift to Mankind
 
I’ll pick Lara & Viv for sure. These were not the best technicians but they knew how to survive and dominate and both were batsmen who could take out any attack on tougher conditions within a session.

Ian Chappell indeed is a great choice but since you picked players from ancient era, you have to pick Bradman as well - he averaged 56 in that body line series ..... by far his worst series in career, therefore you know......

Sobers, I am not sure - he was an entertainer supreme, but I doubt he was a better bat than Kanhai on tougher wickets. He dominated Indian & Pakistani attacks of 59s, 60s and early 70s .... England once Truman, Statham, Laker retired, but his stats against Australia isn’t that great, neither against Poms in UK before mid 60s.

One player who can be considered even for his poor stats was Kim Hughes - a batsmen of highest class but with a very in Aussie like wrong head and he was a master of tougher wickets. Another one is Martin Crowe.

My top seven including Gilchrist at 7 will be

Hobbs
Trumper
Viv
Lara
Bradman

In top five - I am not sure about the No. 6. WG, Headley, Hervey, Border, Ian C .... May be Stan MCCabe, Walter Hammond, Walcott, GR Vishi, Kanhai ..... but not Javed, neither Sobers.
 
Bradman is the only choice!

He averaged a near 100 on pitches that were uncovered, so surely he would have been best equipped to tackle tough pitches.
 
I’ll pick Lara & Viv for sure. These were not the best technicians but they knew how to survive and dominate and both were batsmen who could take out any attack on tougher conditions within a session.

Ian Chappell indeed is a great choice but since you picked players from ancient era, you have to pick Bradman as well - he averaged 56 in that body line series ..... by far his worst series in career, therefore you know......

Sobers, I am not sure - he was an entertainer supreme, but I doubt he was a better bat than Kanhai on tougher wickets. He dominated Indian & Pakistani attacks of 59s, 60s and early 70s .... England once Truman, Statham, Laker retired, but his stats against Australia isn’t that great, neither against Poms in UK before mid 60s.

One player who can be considered even for his poor stats was Kim Hughes - a batsmen of highest class but with a very in Aussie like wrong head and he was a master of tougher wickets. Another one is Martin Crowe.

My top seven including Gilchrist at 7 will be

Hobbs
Trumper
Viv
Lara
Bradman

In top five - I am not sure about the No. 6. WG, Headley, Hervey, Border, Ian C .... May be Stan MCCabe, Walter Hammond, Walcott, GR Vishi, Kanhai ..... but not Javed, neither Sobers.

Great analysis.Appreciate Sir.Still why not Miandad or Sobers even Greg Chappell?Sanga not better on bad wickets than Gilly?

Still Why Bradman.Study his scores on wet or bad pitches compared to Headley.Even In bodyline the lethal bowling took place after the 2nd test when he hardly made any impact.Did you rad the expert opinions comparing Bradman with Trumper on wet pitches or even Headley and Hobbs?Like your comments to link below .

https://www.cricketweb.net/the-curious-case-of-the-don-and-the-sticky-wicket/
 
Bradman is the only choice!

He averaged a near 100 on pitches that were uncovered, so surely he would have been best equipped to tackle tough pitches.

He was not at his best on bad pitches.Overshadowed by Hobbs,Trumper and Headley.
 
I will chose W.G Grace. He was tall and intimidating to the best of fast bowlers. Had the best cover drive drive and his pull was straight from the batting paradises and dont get me started on his footwork against spinners. His footwork was like that of bruce lee. Fast and finely tuned. There was no better sweeper in the game than him maybe because he was an experienced sweeper at his clinic. He was like ripped apart his opposition like a surgeon ripped apart his patients. And one last thing he had advantage was that he use to have an extra life if he got out early because the public only came to watch him bat.
He is God's greatest gift to Mankind

I salute your post.Great respect for legends of cricket history.Well done.
 
I reckon someone like Jimmy Amarnath, Steve Waugh would be more suited than a premier batsman.

To survive on uneasy wickets involves changing your game quite a lot and it's not something premier batsmen relish.
 
Sunil Gavaskar surely must be in the conversation, Bangalore 1987 was one of the most heroic rearguards on a bad wicket.
 
I reckon someone like Jimmy Amarnath, Steve Waugh would be more suited than a premier batsman.

To survive on uneasy wickets involves changing your game quite a lot and it's not something premier batsmen relish.

Rahul Dravid or George Headley?In the reckoning more than Tendulkar or Lara here?
 
I reckon someone like Jimmy Amarnath, Steve Waugh would be more suited than a premier batsman.

To survive on uneasy wickets involves changing your game quite a lot and it's not something premier batsmen relish.

Would you select Bradman on bad wickets instead of a George Headley or Tendulkar instead of Dravid or Steve Waugh?
 
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Bradman, Waugh, Smith, Gavaskar, Headley, Hobbs and De Villiers

Of players a tier down Mark Waugh also always stood up on tough surfaces
 
Rahul Dravid for me, always stood among the major collapses that India had during that time in New Zealand or England or some of those Windies wickets in 2006 tours. It was a very common norm for us that Dravid remained not out while the Indian batting getting collapsed at a small total. He always digged in on bad wickets for batting. Another player I can think of is Steve Waugh.

From the past generation,to name a few, you have guys like Jack Hobbs, Don Bradman, Victor Trumper, Sunil Gavaskar, Ian Chappell and Martin Crowe.
 
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I just read the OP and one single question came to mind

What's your beef with Bradman? :uak
 
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Bad wicket player? You’d have to go back to uncovered wickets. Not Bradman who was rendered mortal on sticky dogs. I would say Hutton.

In the modern era..... the best bad-wicket innings I ever saw was Gooch at Headingley against Ambrose, Patterson, Marshall and Walsh. 154* out of 250 on a track with seam and uneven bounce under total overcast.
 
Sunil Gavaskar surely must be in the conversation, Bangalore 1987 was one of the most heroic rearguards on a bad wicket.

Was that the one where he was out for 96 in the fourth innings on the lavish spin wicket?
 
I will chose W.G Grace. He was tall and intimidating to the best of fast bowlers. Had the best cover drive drive and his pull was straight from the batting paradises and dont get me started on his footwork against spinners. His footwork was like that of bruce lee. Fast and finely tuned. There was no better sweeper in the game than him maybe because he was an experienced sweeper at his clinic. He was like ripped apart his opposition like a surgeon ripped apart his patients. And one last thing he had advantage was that he use to have an extra life if he got out early because the public only came to watch him bat.
He is God's greatest gift to Mankind

:))
 
Batsman with 1000+ runs and 40+ avg in 4th inning
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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Boycott (ENG) [/td][td]36 [/td][td]1234 [/td][td]58.76 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Gavaskar (INDIA) [/td][td]34 [/td][td]1398 [/td][td]58.25 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge (WI) [/td][td]41 [/td][td]1383 [/td][td]53.19 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GC Smith (ICC/SA) [/td][td]42 [/td][td]1611 [/td][td]51.96 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Younis Khan (PAK) [/td][td]47 [/td][td]1465 [/td][td]50.51 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RT Ponting (AUS) [/td][td]56 [/td][td]1462 [/td][td]50.41 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ML Hayden (AUS) [/td][td]39 [/td][td]1287 [/td][td]49.5 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GA Gooch (ENG) [/td][td]30 [/td][td]1121 [/td][td]44.84 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Haynes (WI) [/td][td]45 [/td][td]1092 [/td][td]43.68 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DA Warner (AUS) [/td][td]27 [/td][td]1042 [/td][td]43.41 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DPMD Jayawardene (SL) [/td][td]47 [/td][td]1096 [/td][td]42.15 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CH Gayle (WI) [/td][td]44 [/td][td]1390 [/td][td]42.12 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Atherton (ENG) [/td][td]39 [/td][td]1375 [/td][td]41.66 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JH Kallis (ICC/SA) [/td][td]57 [/td][td]1332 [/td][td]41.62 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Chanderpaul (WI) [/td][td]63 [/td][td]1580 [/td][td]41.57 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KC Sangakkara (SL) [/td][td]43 [/td][td]1163 [/td][td]41.53 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]VVS Laxman (INDIA) [/td][td]51 [/td][td]1095 [/td][td]40.55 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JL Langer (AUS) [/td][td]37 [/td][td]1053 [/td][td]40.5 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Dravid (ICC/INDIA) [/td][td]65 [/td][td]1575 [/td][td]40.38 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
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Obviously Victor Trumper.

There is no-one else who even comes close.
 
I would want Adam gilchrist. He would smash it whatever the oppositions or pitches. Gilchrist undoubtedly was one of the biggest batting talent of all time who didnt do justice despite a legendary career.
Steve Waugh is a no brainer as well. He was called Iceman for a reason.

VVS laxman, Damien Martyn and Mark Waugh were also players who always stood up in tough conditions.
 
Bad wicket player? You’d have to go back to uncovered wickets. Not Bradman who was rendered mortal on sticky dogs. I would say Hutton.

In the modern era..... the best bad-wicket innings I ever saw was Gooch at Headingley against Ambrose, Patterson, Marshall and Walsh. 154* out of 250 on a track with seam and uneven bounce under total overcast.

Great choices.Agree on Gooch and Hutton.What about Headley and Hobbs?Modern era Border?
 
Rahul Dravid for me, always stood among the major collapses that India had during that time in New Zealand or England or some of those Windies wickets in 2006 tours. It was a very common norm for us that Dravid remained not out while the Indian batting getting collapsed at a small total. He always digged in on bad wickets for batting. Another player I can think of is Steve Waugh.

From the past generation,to name a few, you have guys like Jack Hobbs, Don Bradman, Victor Trumper, Sunil Gavaskar, Ian Chappell and Martin Crowe.

Great choice of Dravid and other choices,complement.Would Miandad fit in here or VVS Laxman?On Asian list you felt VVS was on the top of the pedestal in earlier post.
 
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