On this day, 18th January 2015 : 4th day of protests in Pakistan against Charlie Hebdo

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KARACHI, Pakistan — Clashes between the police and protesters outside the French Consulate in Karachi on Friday left four people, including two journalists, with gunshot wounds as demonstrations erupted across Pakistan against the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo and its publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad.

The Karachi protest was led by the student wing of Jamaat-e-Islami, the country’s largest religious party. The demonstrators threw stones at riot police officers, who responded with tear gas, water cannons and gunfire.

A photographer for Agence France-Presse, Asif Hassan, was shot in the chest and was “out of danger” after emergency surgery, said Dr. Seemi Jamali, head of the emergency ward at the Jinnah Postgraduate Medical Center in Karachi. The news agency said it was trying to determine whether Mr. Hassan had been specifically targeted.

Protests in other Pakistani cities passed largely peacefully, but they were the first major reaction since Charlie Hebdo published an issue depicting Muhammad holding a sign that read, “I am Charlie.” The issue was the newspaper’s first after an attack by jihadist gunmen killed 12 people in and around its office in Paris.

On Thursday, the Pakistani Parliament passed a resolution condemning the cartoon as hate speech and calling on the international community to “take a decisive step to stop such practice.”

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“Freedom of expression should not be misused as a means to attack or hurt public sentiments and religious beliefs,” said the resolution, which was passed with cross-party support.

In Islam, visual depictions of the Prophet Muhammad are widely considered to be forbidden and deeply offensive. Irreverent Western depictions of Muhammad have set off violent protests several times in recent years, and that was the case again in several countries on Friday. In Niger, at least four were reported dead when a protest march turned violent, and many were reported injured when riot policemen clashed with protesters in Algeria, Reuters reported.

The public reaction in Pakistan to the Charlie Hebdo shootings was initially muted, but it started to heat up on Tuesday when a cleric in the northern city of Peshawar led a small crowd that praised the killers, Chérif and Saïd Kouachi, for having “defended the honor of the prophet of Islam.”

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A protest on Friday in Peshawar, Pakistan, against the French satirical newspaper. In Karachi, four people had gunshot wounds. Credit Arshad Arbab/European Pressphoto Agency
On Friday, lawyers boycotted the courts in Peshawar and Multan, instead taking to the streets to protest. Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, founder of the banned militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, addressed a large rally in Lahore.

“It is time for us Muslims to unite,” he said. “Otherwise, the West will continue with such acts.”

The most serious violence occurred in Karachi, the country’s commercial capital, where protesters yelled slogans calling for the expulsion of the French ambassador and the severing of diplomatic ties with France.

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In an apparent bid to enter the consulate, protesters pelted police officers with stones. The police responded with baton charges and water cannons, and tried to disperse the crowd by firing gunshots in the air. The police said some protesters wore motorcycle helmets and had guns. “They want to harm the consulate building,” one officer said at the scene of the protest.

It was not immediately clear whether the injured journalists had been shot by the police or by protesters. “When protesters tried to use force, police did the same,” said Abdul Khaliq Shaikh, a senior police official.

Salman Khan, a protest leader, said 15 people had been arrested. “Protesting insults against the prophet is our Islamic and democratic right,” he said.

A few streets from the French Consulate, a group of civil society activists and members of the opposition Pakistan Peoples Party held a separate demonstration against terrorism and Islamist militancy to commemorate the one-month anniversary of a Pakistani Taliban attack on a school in Peshawar that killed 150 people, most of them children.

Demonstrators brandished placards that read, “Silence is criminal,” and, “Hey Taliban leave our kids alone.” Similar protests took place in Islamabad and Lahore.

“The people gathered here could be bombed, shot or stoned,” said Sharmila Farooqi, a minister in the Sindh provincial government. “But their courage shows that they are frustrated with militancy and want the elimination of the Taliban.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/17/...rotest-against-charlie-hebdo-in-pakistan.html
 
Inability of many to understand reason for Muslim anger on such matters leads to issues later
 
Inability of many to understand reason for Muslim anger on such matters leads to issues later

Its not that they don't understand, its that they see this anger as such a backward and medieval attitude that they put out these cartoons on purpose as a form of protest.
 
If muslim nations had made themselves strong enough in the international arena to tackle such insults diplomatically or economically, it would have been much better. Instead, they became lazy bums who can either just shout and cry or take foolish steps like attacking violently which resulted in loss of precious lives and more insults being thrown at Islam on social and other media.
 
If muslim nations had made themselves strong enough in the international arena to tackle such insults diplomatically or economically, it would have been much better. Instead, they became lazy bums who can either just shout and cry or take foolish steps like attacking violently which resulted in loss of precious lives and more insults being thrown at Islam on social and other media.

It doesn't really matter, this is not a diplomatic issue but an issue of freedom of speech and in a western country it will always trump other issues because that is part of what their democracy is based on.
 
It doesn't really matter, this is not a diplomatic issue but an issue of freedom of speech and in a western country it will always trump other issues because that is part of what their democracy is based on.

The founding fathers of democracy in USA and France didnt mean freedom to insult others when they talked about freedom of speech. I think its by and large accepted that most freedoms cant be absolute in nature.

However, its their country at the end of the day.
 
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The founding fathers of democracy in USA and France didnt mean freedom to insult others when they talked about freedom of speech. I think its by and large accepted that most freedoms cant be absolute in nature.

However, its their country at the end of the day.

Who cares what the founding fathers thought. They were from a past society, whose morality should not be held as the standard today.

Morals should continue to grow and be re established as new societies flourish.

Personally, I don't believe in insulting one another. But i do believe that at the governing level everyone has a right to free speech. Whether it be negative or positive.
 
The founding fathers of democracy in USA and France didnt mean freedom to insult others when they talked about freedom of speech. I think its by and large accepted that most freedoms cant be absolute in nature.

However, its their country at the end of the day.

At least in the US, that is precisely why they introduced protections for free speech. Religion was as big a deal in 18th/19th century US as it is in Pakistan today and the founding fathers were far sighted enough to see the dangers of protecting religious dogma against criticism which was one of the key reasons behind the introduction of legal protections for free speech. Just like today, no one needed specific free speech laws to praise their mother's cooking skills, such laws were needed specifically to protect against the inevitable backlash that would follow criticism of sensitive subjects like religion.

In France's case, you're even more wrong. The French revolution which ultimately led to the development of the French brand of secularism, was a direct response to the religious orthodoxy's tyranny and post revolution France has always been fairly hostile towards religion playing too much of a role in public life so I can't imagine their free speech laws not covering criticism of religion.
 
Its not that they don't understand, its that they see this anger as such a backward and medieval attitude that they put out these cartoons on purpose as a form of protest.

What are they protesting about when they put out these cartoons?
 
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