Our behaviour as Muslims with Ahmadis

[junoon]

It is a controversial issue but i would like to know other forum member's opinions on it

 

[junoon]

General Musharraf being asked tough questions about mistreatment of Ahmadis in Pakistan

 

[junoon]

How should Qadianis / Ahmadis be treated in Pakistan?

 

[UP]

As Musharraf said the laws against Ahmedis can’t be undone now. Ahmedis will always face difficult time in Pak.

The best option for Ahmedis is to leave the country somehow. That’s the only way.

 

[junoon]

Nawaz Sharif's son-in-law Captain safdar thinks Ahmadis are a threat to Pakistani state and should be kept out of higher ranks of politics, military, bureaucracy etc.
I have a simple question for that idiot. Who Has done more harm to Pakistan? The ahmadi minority or the crooks of the Sharif khandan??

 

[UP]

Nawaz Sharif's son-in-law Captain safdar thinks Ahmadis are a threat to Pakistani state and should be kept out of higher ranks of politics, military, bureaucracy etc.
I have a simple question for that idiot. Who Has done more harm to Pakistan? The ahmadi minority or the crooks of the Sharif khandan??

People like him should bow their heads in shame. They incite violence and hatred.

 

[moghul]

Its a stupid idiotic law against Ahmadi and Bhutto did for his own benefit. Similarly Zia-ul-Haq used religion for his own benefit. State has no business in deciding who is muslim and who is not. Unfortunately , this law will never change now.

 

[Pakistanian]

Treat them like humans. I'm sunni but I've had ahmadi family friends and had no idea that they were ahmadis growing up until much latter, they're some of the most patriotic people you'll meet.

 

[junoon]

Ahmadis are not more than 2% of Pakistan's population and a large part of their community has fled the country because of persecution. They are not a threat to anyone. Yet both the pakistani public and politicians are paranoid about them and act like ahmadis are plotting to take over Pakistan

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

As Musharraf said the laws against Ahmedis can’t be undone now. Ahmedis will always face difficult time in Pak.

The best option for Ahmedis is to leave the country somehow. That’s the only way.

Its really sad...I guess I'll qualify my post by saying that I am not an ahmedi muslim but I can sympathize with their situation .Things have gone to a level where leaving their homeland is their only option .

 

[Fahdi]

They are human beings and citizens of Pakistan and these are the only 2 facts which should matter concerning their rights. Declaring them non-muslims does not make them unequal in the eyes of the law.

 

[Loralai]

Everyone should listen to this clip of Javed Ahmad Ghamidi explaining this issue

The laws punishing them for ''posing'' as Muslims are an international embarrassment, as is the amendment to declare them non Muslim. Since when does any government have the right to make such judgements?

These laws should be removed completely. Every Pakistani should be equal in eyes of the law. Unfortunately we have failed to respect the beliefs of our minority groups, especially Ahmadis, but we should hope that this changes in the future.

As a Sunni, I personally feel embarrassed when relatives or family friends make disparaging comments against them. Unfortunately, intolerance is in Pakistan's DNA.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

They should be treated as every other citizen of Pakistan.I do not believe they are muslim but that should not matter to the state in their treatment of them.

 

[Sirris]

Ahmadi should have the same rights and access to same ressources. They should be protected against violence.

At the same time they should also come out and admit they are a new religion which in their views is based on Islam. Admitting this is not going to change the validity" of their message. Trying to disguise their believes under the cloak of "Islam" isn't going to give their believes more credibility nor do they lose any credibility if they distinguish themselves from Islam. They need to stop being stubborn about this.

Their scholars like to take the moral high ground and present themselves as much more civized and well-mannered than your average Moulvi. It might even be true. That still doesn't take away from the fact that they are a new religion nor from the fact that their scholars are equally manipulative, stubborn and decietful as a Maulvi.

Yes Ahmadi believe in Quran in the same way Muslims believe in Bible. Ahmadis claim the meaning of Quran has been corrupted by the maulvi just like Muslims believe Bible has been corrupted by Christian priests. Ahmadis have a totally different view of what happened to Jesus in his final years than Muslims, just like how Muslims have a different view on Jesus than the Christians. Ahmadis believe their leader fullfils Allah's prophecy just like Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad fulfills the prophecy of the Bible.

The connection between Ahmadis set of beliefs and Islam in many ways parallels Muslim's connection with Christianity.

Just like it would be nonsense for Muslims to try to pass themselves as "Islamic Christians" likewise it is decietful of Ahmadis to insist on being grouped under Islam.

This stubbornness and perceived decietfulness is a major cause for resentment between Ahmadis and average Muslim. Progress can't be made by each side stubbornly insisting on their view. Ahmadi should admit being a distinct religion just like Bahi'a faith.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Ahmadi should have the same rights and access to same ressources. They should be protected against violence.

At the same time they should also come out and admit they are a new religion which in their views is based on Islam. Admitting this is not going to change the validity" of their message. Trying to disguise their believes under the cloak of "Islam" isn't going to give their believes more credibility nor do they lose any credibility if they distinguish themselves from Islam. They need to stop being stubborn about this.

Their scholars like to take the moral high ground and present themselves as much more civized and well-mannered than your average Moulvi. It might even be true. That still doesn't take away from the fact that they are a new religion nor from the fact that their scholars are equally manipulative, stubborn and decietful as a Maulvi.

Yes Ahmadi believe in Quran in the same way Muslims believe in Bible. Ahmadis claim the meaning of Quran has been corrupted by the maulvi just like Muslims believe Bible has been corrupted by Christian priests. Ahmadis have a totally different view of what happened to Jesus in his final years than Muslims, just like how Muslims have a different view on Jesus than the Christians. Ahmadis believe their leader fullfils Allah's prophecy just like Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad fulfills the prophecy of the Bible.

The connection between Ahmadis set of beliefs and Islam in many ways parallels Muslim's connection with Christianity.

Just like it would be nonsense for Muslims to try to pass themselves as "Islamic Christians" likewise it is decietful of Ahmadis to insist on being grouped under Islam.

This stubbornness and perceived decietfulness is a major cause for resentment between Ahmadis and average Muslim. Progress can't be made by each side stubbornly insisting on their view. Ahmadi should admit being a distinct religion just like Bahi'a faith.

to them though, they dont say there was a prophet after muhammad. As far as i know they think their leader was imam mahdi.

The rest of the sunni world also believes imam mahdi will be found someday.

Its just that ahmedis think he already came and it was mirza ahmed or what ever his name is.

I guess that is why they claim to be muslims.

They probably hide the fact they are ahmedis because people look at them differently as individuals once people come to find out.

 

[Major]

The Ahmadi issue is really a sensitive one.

If we ever talk about which law has the posibility of being changed whether it is the Ahmadi one or the Blasphemy one. Trust me, the blasphemy law has a better chance at getting changed.

I also hope that this law gets changed, but to be honest with all the posters here, I DONOT want the law to be changed.

Its not that i have anything against the Ahmadi's or their religion, infact i care less about such things. I'm willing to share a spoon with any person.

Problem is if anyone makes any amendment on this rule, pakistani people will come out on the street. Look at the support that Khadim Rizvi got. Just last year this guy was a no one and yet he came 2nd in many seats from Lahore. After the election i really felt frightened by this.

What if this lunatic had won more seats?

You know what was funny? He had no domestic or foreign policy. His way of making govt revenue was people selling their blankets, he himself said that when asked how his govt would finish off the debt.

He only contested the election on the basis of Khatam-e-Nabowat, and look at the results.

Its funny, how this awaam wont bother to come out on the streets against dictatorship, corruption and all the ills of the society, while these guys would come out on the street for an issue that doesnt even matter. Whos life gets affected if someone has some other beliefs regarding on the finality of something?

But for our awaam, beliefs have more importance than having food for our stomachs. But then again, why should i be surprised? We are the same nation that beliefs make as many babies as we could so that our so called ummat could be strong and dont worry about their stomachs, god will feed them

I'm really sorry to say, but
The Ahmadi's are better off living in Pakistan under such laws then having the law removed and some TLP member gets elected either as a strong opposition or, god forbid, a majority. Then it would be chaos.

This law could only be removed if a military dictator comes, then no one has the guts to stand up to them.
A dictator could remove this law not a democratic government.


In the past i used to say the law needs to be changed, but after seeing khadim rizvi and the way they performed in the election, i would rather just leave it as it is.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Everyone should listen to this clip of Javed Ahmad Ghamidi explaining this issue

The laws punishing them for ''posing'' as Muslims are an international embarrassment, as is the amendment to declare them non Muslim. Since when does any government have the right to make such judgements?

These laws should be removed completely. Every Pakistani should be equal in eyes of the law. Unfortunately we have failed to respect the beliefs of our minority groups, especially Ahmadis, but we should hope that this changes in the future.

As a Sunni, I personally feel embarrassed when relatives or family friends make disparaging comments against them. Unfortunately, intolerance is in Pakistan's DNA.

Ghamdi is pretty hated in Pakistan but I have always found him to be very balanced and informative . #respect

 

[KingKhanWC]

They are only 2% of the population but get so much coverage. Just stop talking about them or what peoples beliefs are esp when there are more pressing issues.

The problem is for them, they follow a guy who was basically a British agent, so there is mistrust towards them.