Our next series in South Africa is in 2018/2019

[mastermind_quad]

Paisa liaqat bhai paisa.

 

[endymion248]

India drew 2011 series in SA, I don't think any other sub continent team can claim that in the last few years.

I don't think any other SC team can claim to have played on the flat SC-like tracks and conditions you got in SA in 2011.

 

[Farooq_Fazal]

because India's reputation as a team is way too better than Pakistan.....plus India is a good side

 

[Jo_Don]

What also irks me is that Pakistan play 6-8 tests a year, where as SA, Aus, Eng, Ind play twice as many.

We don't play as many as Australia, England and India either.

 

[Oxy'sWingMan]

As for that view point BCCI owns SLC!! When India are playing Sri Lanka SLC asks Sri Lankan team to lose some games to keep BCCI happy...otherwise BCCI wont play Sri Lanka team often...why do you think Sri Lanka team has good records against Pakistan, Australia but not India??

Please take off that avatar. I actually like Dilshan as a player, and you're ruining his image for me.

 

[Sandeep]

Please take off that avatar. I actually like Dilshan as a player, and you're ruining his image for me.

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[Lethalweapon]

I don't think any other SC team can claim to have played on the flat SC-like tracks and conditions you got in SA in 2011.

PATHETIC POST . Get off that bias. India and SA were all out for 130 on Asia like pitches?

 

[Sankalp]

PATHETIC POST . Get off that bias. India and SA were all out for 130 on Asia like pitches?

Thats allright. Even when we won the Perth test match in 2007, the pitch was road according to many posters
Point is - Those wins in SA/Aust are our glorious days of test cricket with most cricketers in supreme form. In form Zaheer Khan was the one of main reason to success in those conditions.
I am not very optimistic about our chances this time around.

 

[giri26]

Thats allright. Even when we won the Perth test match in 2007, the pitch was road according to many posters
Point is - Those wins in SA/Aust are our glorious days of test cricket with most cricketers in supreme form. In form Zaheer Khan was the one of main reason to success in those conditions.
I am not very optimistic about our chances this time around.

The amazing part is that we did not have Zaheer in Perth. We won with Irfan, Ishant and RP Singh . I guess the general hatred for the Indian team is causing people to discredit good Indian wins over the last few years overseas.

 

[endymion248]

PATHETIC POST . Get off that bias. India and SA were all out for 130 on Asia like pitches?

I should be the one getting off bias?

What you forget to say is that the Durban pitch is traditionaly flat (+conducive to spin)) and it turned a whole mile, which is why SA got out to Bhajji. India, on the other hand, were out to 130 to a Steyn in supreme form, which is nothing new with your FTBs because Steyn averages around 20 in India, so he did same on a flat Durban pitch.

And what to say about Centurion, the flattest I ever saw on that ground, where, if I remember correctly, 1000 runs were scored in two innings.

Cape Town was the only one that was similar to the pitch Pak got, and even that was only similar to the best we had (2nd test), nothing like test 1 and 3. There again, SA scored 300+ in both innings and so did India, they pitch doing almost nothing for regular bowlers.

Let's not even talk about SA's weak attack.

 

[endymion248]

The amazing part is that we did not have Zaheer in Perth. We won with Irfan, Ishant and RP Singh . I guess the general hatred for the Indian team is causing people to discredit good Indian wins over the last few years overseas.

I hope you're counting West Indies as overseas because, otherwise, there is none bare a single win on a flat SA pitch.

 

[cricketworm]

I should be the one getting off bias?

What you forget to say is that the Durban pitch is traditionaly flat (+conducive to spin)) and it turned a whole mile, which is why SA got out to Bhajji. India, on the other hand, were out to 130 to a Steyn in supreme form, which is nothing new with your FTBs because Steyn averages around 20 in India, so he did same on a flat Durban pitch.

And what to say about Centurion, the flattest I ever saw on that ground, where, if I remember correctly, 1000 runs were scored in two innings.

Cape Town was the only one that was similar to the pitch Pak got, and even that was only similar to the best we had (2nd test), nothing like test 1 and 3. There again, SA scored 300+ in both innings and so did India, they pitch doing almost nothing for regular bowlers.

Let's not even talk about SA's weak attack.

Durban pitch is traditionally damp, seamer friendly, not spin friendly. We won in Durban not because of Spin heroics. Cape Town is traditionally drier.

 

[endymion248]

Durban pitch is traditionally damp, seamer friendly, not spin friendly. We won in Durban not because of Spin heroics. Cape Town is traditionally drier.

Didn't Bhajji take most wickets among Indians while it was a low-scoring match in Durban?

 

[Itachi]

I should be the one getting off bias?

What you forget to say is that the Durban pitch is traditionaly flat (+conducive to spin)) and it turned a whole mile, which is why SA got out to Bhajji. India, on the other hand, were out to 130 to a Steyn in supreme form, which is nothing new with your FTBs because Steyn averages around 20 in India, so he did same on a flat Durban pitch.

And what to say about Centurion, the flattest I ever saw on that ground, where, if I remember correctly, 1000 runs were scored in two innings.

Cape Town was the only one that was similar to the pitch Pak got, and even that was only similar to the best we had (2nd test), nothing like test 1 and 3. There again, SA scored 300+ in both innings and so did India, they pitch doing almost nothing for regular bowlers.

Let's not even talk about SA's weak attack.

i only care that we put up a good show like a true champion. Unlike getting whitewash like pakistan.

 

[cricketworm]

Didn't Bhajji take most wickets among Indians while it was a low-scoring match in Durban?

No, it was Cape Town where pitched turned a lot since there was a 'Bhajji' spot where he took 7 wickets in 2nd inning. Durban our seamers took more wickets. Durban is usually damp, uneven bounce and all.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/463147.html

 

[endymion248]

No, it was Cape Town where pitched turned a lot since there was a 'Bhajji' spot where he took 7 wickets in 2nd inning. Durban our seamers took more wickets. Durban is usually damp, uneven bounce and all.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/463147.html

Sorry, I confused both.

Still, can you say that Cape Town and Wanderers conditions were your typical fast-bowling conclusive Sa conditions in that series?

 

[endymion248]

i only care that we put up a good show like a true champion. Unlike getting whitewash like pakistan.

If we are to talk about good show, I'll just refer to Pak's results in English Summer 2010, which no-one can deny were truly conclusive to fast bowling, as opposed to India's recent away 8-0

 

[BaaliSoda]

The amazing part is that we did not have Zaheer in Perth. We won with Irfan, Ishant and RP Singh . I guess the general hatred for the Indian team is causing people to discredit good Indian wins over the last few years overseas.

At least I can understand dislike for our team from opposition fans but what's more puzzlin'/baffling is the hatred(or wanting to see an Indian demise) shown by some (not all) our own fellow indian posters because their favt player is not in the squad

 

[cricketworm]

Sorry, I confused both.

Still, can you say that Cape Town and Wanderers conditions were your typical fast-bowling conclusive Sa conditions in that series?

Actually, Cape Town was more of seamer friendly in first two innings (ind, Sa) then it created a rough patch, which helped Bhajji.

Honestly, you can't say that Pak. would have done better if they played against that SA attack and those pitches, just look at the way all bowlers bowled in that series. Steyn and Morney were still monster. Even if you see the way Sree, Zak and Bhajji bowled, you will admit that they bowled better than Pak. bowlers, Ajmal was on par with them of course.

 

[cricketworm]

e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d0DChFERM0 ball was seaming very well.

 

[endymion248]

Actually, Cape Town was more of seamer friendly in first two innings (ind, Sa) then it created a rough patch, which helped Bhajji.

Honestly, you can't say that Pak. would have done better if they played against that SA attack and those pitches, just look at the way all bowlers bowled in that series. Steyn and Morney were still monster. Even if you see the way Sree, Zak and Bhajji bowled, you will admit that they bowled better than Pak. bowlers, Ajmal was on par with them of course.

You can get all yours answers watching second test. We'd still have lost 3-0 or 2-1 but that's more down to our batting than bowling. Even in 2010, bowlers won us several matches that were thrown away by batsmen.

The argument I'm making is not on whether Pak would have won or not but rather on the fact that it's completely incomparable to have side by side your drawn series of 2010, SL's won and Pak's whitewash.

 

[cricketworm]

You can get all yours answers watching second test. We'd still have lost 3-0 or 2-1 but that's more down to our batting than bowling. Even in 2010, bowlers won us several matches that were thrown away by batsmen.

The argument I'm making is not on whether Pak would have won or not but rather on the fact that it's completely incomparable to have side by side your drawn series of 2010, SL's won and Pak's whitewash.

You can never do side by side comparison. One will always find subjective points. Comparable would be that Indian bowlers have done better on SA pitches than Pakistan seeing the overall performance and amount of unplayable deliveries they have bowled compare to Pak seamers. Pak seamers didn't bowl better than Indian seamers did in 2011.

And one can also make a point that Indian batters did just enough to defy whatever SA put against India, you will see that only few batters were able to do well in SA from India, and when you compare those numbers with Pak. batters, you will find less number of batters, which is understandable because Pak. had fairly new side. Only YK had experience and technique.

But I will def. say our pace bowlers bowled better in 2011 than Pak. pacers.

 

[endymion248]

You can never do side by side comparison. One will always find subjective points. Comparable would be that Indian bowlers have done better on SA pitches than Pakistan seeing the overall performance and amount of unplayable deliveries they have bowled compare to Pak seamers. Pak seamers didn't bowl better than Indian seamers did in 2011.

But I will def. say our pace bowlers bowled better in 2011 than Pak. pacers.

How do you count unplayable deliveries? And are they relevant? Because Ishant Sharma or Rahat Ali, to me, bowl more unplayable deliveries than Philander but it doesn't hide the fact that their line and length is wrong 90% of the time.

I think everyone would agree that an average by average comparison would be welcomed.

I made the point that those conditions were more SC-like than the one Pak got. It would only be fair, from there on, to say that Zaheer Khan performed admirably well on those ''relatively flatter'' pitches since he averaged 24.

The only bowler we had who could come close to that was Junaid Khan who, unfortunately, got injured.

Sharma and Sreeshant averaged 41 and 48 which is quite pathetic TBH. As much as Gul or Rahat. Better than Gul or Rahat because they got better conditions

So, all in all, I agree that Ind pacers performed a lot better than Gul.

And than Rahat Ali, Ehsan Adil, Irfan and Tanvir Ahmed. But we won't debate about that because I doubt you even know which one of those are left-armers and which one are right armers

 

[Sankalp]

i only care that we put up a good show like a true champion. Unlike getting whitewash like pakistan.

This. I dont understand why people consider only wins in green track as substantial. A win is a win afterall in any pitches. When one team plays better than other in the same condition it wins, as simple as that.
If winning in Durban, Perth so easy - why some teams cannot replicate the same?

 

[cricketworm]

How do you count unplayable deliveries? And are they relevant? Because Ishant Sharma or Rahat Ali, to me, bowl more unplayable deliveries than Philander but it doesn't hide the fact that their line and length is wrong 90% of the time.

I think everyone would agree that an average by average comparison would be welcomed.

I made the point that those conditions were more SC-like than the one Pak got. It would only be fair, from there on, to say that Zaheer Khan performed admirably well on those ''relatively flatter'' pitches since he averaged 24.

The only bowler we had who could come close to that was Junaid Khan who, unfortunately, got injured.

Sharma and Sreeshant averaged 41 and 48 which is quite pathetic TBH. As much as Gul or Rahat. Better than Gul or Rahat because they got better conditions

So, all in all, I agree that Ind pacers performed a lot better than Gul.

And than Rahat Ali, Ehsan Adil, Irfan and Tanvir Ahmed. But we won't debate about that because I doubt you even know which one of those are left-armers and which one are right armers

Their average are pathetic but still played vital role in order to draw the series and win a test there.

It's funny how you are not mentioning, Irfan's average, but happy to consider Sree and Ishant not bowled better than Pak. pacers. He averaged 67. Now, you will say that Irfan bowled on a 'flatter' surface, but will also say that condition were 'much flatter' in 2011. Lol

Rahat ali's economy was over 4 per over. One side you are saying Pak. bowlers had better condition (Are you saying that?) but still haven't done considerably well than Indian pacers, Ishant and Sree!

So, how come you are claiming Indian pacers have bowled well only compare to Gul? If Pak bowlers had less SC-like pitches, they would have done better, no? Our bowlers do well on seaming wicket than SC-like pitches. And generally, pace bowlers do well on seaming pitches more than SC-like pitches.

India had better 'batting' condition in 2011 than Pak is red juicy whine. If that was the case so called 'better' Pak fast bowlers would have done considerably well.

I am not saying Ishant has bowled better than Pak. bowlers btw. just saying Zak, Sree and Bhaj have bowled better than Pak. bowlers, where Ajmal was on par with them.

 

[cricketworm]

And how do you decide who bowled more unplayable balls? You have to see the match for that. But can also look at the number of wickets taken by pacers.

I will say even Hafeez has bowled better than Pak pacers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

At least we have called them to our home soils and beat them....you are scared to even do that!!

No we call you and then beat you.When was the last time you won a test in India???NEVER.

And lets see you haven even won a bilateral ODI series in India.

Add to that the fact that your Stars line up to play in IPL.

I understand the frustration.

 

[endymion248]

How do you count unplayable deliveries? And are they relevant? Because Ishant Sharma or Rahat Ali, to me, bowl more unplayable deliveries than Philander but it doesn't hide the fact that their line and length is wrong 90% of the time.

I think everyone would agree that an average by average comparison would be welcomed.

I made the point that those conditions were more SC-like than the one Pak got. It would only be fair, from there on, to say that Zaheer Khan performed admirably well on those ''relatively flatter'' pitches since he averaged 24.

The only bowler we had who could come close to that was Junaid Khan who, unfortunately, got injured.

Sharma and Sreeshant averaged 41 and 48 which is quite pathetic TBH. As much as Gul or Rahat. Better than Gul or Rahat because they got better conditions

So, all in all, I agree that Ind pacers performed a lot better than Gul.

And than Rahat Ali, Ehsan Adil, Irfan and Tanvir Ahmed. But we won't debate about that because I doubt you even know which one of those are left-armers and which one are right armers

Thanks for repeating me, CW

 

[cricketjoshila]

As for that view point BCCI owns SLC!! When India are playing Sri Lanka SLC asks Sri Lankan team to lose some games to keep BCCI happy...otherwise BCCI wont play Sri Lanka team often...why do you think Sri Lanka team has good records against Pakistan, Australia but not India??

So your team just lies down and we walk over you.Ok.Why watch such a team play?

 

[Amir]

Because look at our record. No one to blame but ourselves. If you go to SA and you lose so badly everytime without even putting up a fight, your team is not very marketable. Same scenario when we go to Australia.

 

[akheR]

Pakistan is not a good Test side even more so away from UAE that's why, so there's no much build-up/hype and therefore no more potential attendance/revenues/... which would push different boards to have series.

 

[Lethalweapon]

No we call you and then beat you.When was the last time you won a test in India???NEVER.

And lets see you haven even won a bilateral ODI series in India.

Add to that the fact that your Stars line up to play in IPL.

I understand the frustration.

You know what, outside that 1996 WC SF,
SL struggle winning a single game of cricket here .
Jayasuriya has mostly sucked in India barring a couple of innings. FACT.
He exploits against us are mostly in SL or Sharjah.

 

[Buffet]

Pakistan is not a good Test side even more so away from UAE that's why, so there's no much build-up/hype and therefore no more potential attendance/revenues/... which would push different boards to have series.

India getting more tests has nothing to do with them being a good test side. Anyway, India is decent side at best with a weak bowling attack.

 

[ali bubba]

I'm disappointed that SA the no.1 test side only bothers to play 3 test series. They should be playing 4-5 tests series against the likes of Aus, Eng, Pak and Ind.

When's the next time Pakistan tours England? India's having a 5- test series on 2014 which would have originally been Pakistans time to tour.

 

[adnan yasin]

Doesn't matter how one team performs in a certain tour ... but schedule should be same for all

if its 4 years for PAK then it should be 4 years for India or any other nation

on performance basis ... INDIA should have taken retirement from overseas tour way back in mid 1990s

 

[Ranjha]

look at da hypocrisy. if it had been other way around ppl would have said "ind chicken out". isnt it brave from ind dat they tour saffer so often? pak is afraid of saffers

 

[Seij]

what use is pakistan team touring south africa....they will be whitewash....why are pakistan fans complaining...

 

[ExpressPacer]

How disgusting that was

Very much so. I think we'd fair much better this time round. would be lethal there.

 

[soso_killer]

This is just wrong, do you know what upsets me the most is that between now and 2015 England and Australia would have played each other 15 times. South Africa vs England 0, please keep in mind that we are talking about no.1 and 2 respectively. There should have been a return series between the two sides either this year after the Ashes i.e. February 2014 (which counts as the summer of 2013) or in December 2014.
Teams should play each other at their peak not during one side's decline which will be the case in 2015 when England tours SA (either SA or England, but i think more so SA than England, Kallis will be gone, Smith will be 35, Steyn might be past his best @32 etc. Disappointing!!

Three instrumental players missed this tour, two through retirement, one through injury. I saw this coming.

 

[Slog]

No biggie

SA will be touring England next summer after FIVE years despite winning last 3 series there

 

[sharon javed]

Why Pakistan not playing bilateral series with SA since 2013?

I started watching cricket from 2014, and I am just seeing Pakistan playing against Aus, NZ , SRL and WI, why they didnot play with South Africa?

 

[Slog]

cuz we played two test series and 3 odi series in like 15 months last time

 

[Syed1]

It is for the best that we don't tour SA that often, last time we were there Steyn demolished us for 49 in an innings.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Wow, how time flies.

Looking forward to watching Pakistan vs South Africa again, I have fond memories of the last time. I remember lurking here and some posters were bragging about getting THAT SA team out for 250-odd only to be dismissed for 47 ) Link For some reason the admins didn't accept my registration after the 47 all out. They probably thought I was registering to dish out some humble pies, they were correct

The ODI's were excellent though. I seem to remember two games with a 1 run margin Link Link

 

[sharon javed]

It is for the best that we don't tour SA that often, last time we were there Steyn demolished us for 49 in an innings.

When we will tour next?

 

[sharon javed]

Wow, how time flies.

Looking forward to watching Pakistan vs South Africa again, I have fond memories of the last time. I remember lurking here and some posters were bragging about getting THAT SA team out for 250-odd only to be dismissed for 47 ) Link For some reason the admins didn't accept my registration after the 47 all out. They probably thought I was registering to dish out some humble pies, they were correct

The ODI's were excellent though. I seem to remember two games with a 1 run margin Link Link

When we will tour next?

 

[Chrish]

Lot of SA vs SL tours scheduled for future.. frankly speaking would rather watch SA vs Pak instead

 

[GullyCricketFlop]

2013 brings back bad memories....

 

[Ozymandiasza]

When we will tour next?

December 2018 to January 2019. Link

Would love to go watch a Test. Here's to hoping the boxing day test is in Cape Town.

 

[TahirFan]

December 2018 to January 2019. Link

Would love to go watch a Test. Here's to hoping the boxing day test is in Cape Town.

Pakistan always play In Cape Town. Cape Town has a huge Muslim population most of whom support Pakistan.

 

[sharon javed]

Lot of SA vs SL tours scheduled for future.. frankly speaking would rather watch SA vs Pak instead

it is cancelled i think