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PAF chases away Indian jets after LoC airspace violation

the Great Khan said:
its an unverified report from one outlet. based on a report from some locals. we should wait and see what comes out. plenty of otehr locals are denying anything happened.
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So news outlets are unverified but someones friend saying something or PSL Memes fan page is gospel truth :yk
 
saadsahabjee said:
india is in danger now , my paf airforce cousin saying an attack could happen on india,
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No offense, but just like the Jawans on either side of the border, I doubt the fighter pilots really know the grand designs at play by the military brass on both sides - they are configured to just do as they're told.
 
the Great Khan said:
Finally what about another scenario? what if Pakistans narrative is accurate like the last time? What does pakistan do? india will continue to claim it has attacked without any resistance. Pakistan will deny but they have accepted an incursion. Many are saying even that is too much. Any incursion be it a few km's or lots of kms is too much. In this case Pakistan has to verify the billions of different stories coming from across the border, get to the sites they are claiming they hit and show real time evidence of no strike. itherwise, im afraid they will have to retaliate. And that is where an escalation can happen.

just my first thoughts after the craziness..
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The question is if there is a response from Pakistan what the target will be?

There are some interesting technical points being discussed in the media. In its official statement India has used the term 'non-military preemptive strike' which most analysts are interpreting as an attempt to say that the strike was not against Pakistani military installations but against non state actors on Pakistani territory. The reason Pakistan has officially accepted the incursion by IAF unlike the last 'surgical strike' is to convey the message that the Pakistani state considers any incursion in its airspace as illegal irrespective of the targets. Now if Pakistan does respond militarily will the response be against actual Indian military targets because according to India its strike wasn't against Pakistani military?
 
Uff my love for Imran Khan and SMQ has increased.


They have decided to take foreign media to the sight where the act happened.
 
AMSS said:
BBC urdu interviewed this local

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1100315633273647104
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THIS IS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCUrdu?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBCURDU</a> MATERIAL. <a href="https://t.co/ezWl3yfoVv">https://t.co/ezWl3yfoVv</a></p>— Hassan Belal Zaidi (@mightyobvious) <a href="https://twitter.com/mightyobvious/status/1100322377764876288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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So what will PAF target? India hit terror camps. Since India has no terror camps they will have to hit a civilian or military targets.
 
Mueez said:
Uff my love for Imran Khan and SMQ has increased.


They have decided to take foreign media to the sight where the act happened.
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Any proof that they will take them to the place where attacks happened and not elsewhere?
 
I think PK should give a careful response because if this becomes a case of my willy is bigger than yours than we may end with a full scale war neither side can back out off.
 
cricketjoshila said:
So what will PAF target? India hit terror camps. Since India has no terror camps they will have to hit a civilian or military targets.
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did your government provided proof of palwama to imran khan and even waited for his action after that..

any international border violation is act of war .Now be ready for consequences
 
Zahid87 said:
I seriously dont think this is funny.

Why would anyone want any attacks at all?
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What? i am only looking after my own interests :))

On a serious note i obviously dont want any escalation. That would be a disaster. 2 billion people will suffer in the region.
 
saeed5646 said:
his is the summary of what he is saying

1. He is resident of Jabba and does zamindaria ( farming) [ Jabba is in Azad Kashmir and not in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa ]
2. The blasts happened near a place called Kaggar Kattha/Kangar , which is also Azad Kashmir
3. The sound of jets lasted about 10 minutes before going silent
4. 5 loud blasts were heard
5. His relative lives near Kaggar Kattha/Kangar and there 4 or 5 houses got damaged and 1 person got injured.

This account is believable , yes it confirms that India did an intrusion but all the claims about camps and what not are just that , they are bull crap

This modi pig has over estimated himself this time , this will have consequences for india:shhh
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How can a human ears differentiate btw the sounds of PAF and IAF fighter planes? He says “ os k baad humaray apnay Pakistani planes ki awaz arahi thi ” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Balakot?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Balakot</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/airstrikes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#airstrikes</a> <a href="https://t.co/7UEbvIPCG0">https://t.co/7UEbvIPCG0</a></p>— Iffat Hasan Rizvi (@IffatHasanRizvi) <a href="https://twitter.com/IffatHasanRizvi/status/1100306540081356800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I like this approach of India...unlike previous govt who was sending dossiers after dossier post 26/11 and was making a fool out of the country. You attack us and our air force will target you. Ofcourse, civilians should not be targetted. Great stuff by India....lets see how Pak reacts....ball in their court. I heard Imran is already asking for international help :))
 
how many dead or not is a separate issue.

The fact that India Jets entered our airspace, stayed for a while and left unharmed is a bigger concern. There can two reasons only

1. We were not ready, otherwise they should have been shot down.
2. There is some back door agreement between the governments. Lets them make some hoo haa, and close this chatper
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How can a human ears differentiate btw the sounds of PAF and IAF fighter planes? He says “ os k baad humaray apnay Pakistani planes ki awaz arahi thi ” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Balakot?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Balakot</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/airstrikes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#airstrikes</a> <a href="https://t.co/7UEbvIPCG0">https://t.co/7UEbvIPCG0</a></p>— Iffat Hasan Rizvi (@IffatHasanRizvi) <a href="https://twitter.com/IffatHasanRizvi/status/1100306540081356800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Because iske kaan main Indian baitha tha
 
India no longer depends on international superpowers to do their job unlike Pak who relies on China. This goes to show how far ahead we have come as a country. IAF in enough to take action on its own.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Subramanian Swamy on reported air strikes by IAF in Balakot, Chakothi & Muzaffarabad terror launch pads across LoC: Actually it was mostly on our own territory, which is called PoK- Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. So you can always bomb your own territory, nothing wrong. <a href="https://t.co/HScxFITlnx">pic.twitter.com/HScxFITlnx</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1100245631170310144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Can they make up their minds. Was it AK or KP? :23:
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How can a human ears differentiate btw the sounds of PAF and IAF fighter planes? He says “ os k baad humaray apnay Pakistani planes ki awaz arahi thi ” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Balakot?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Balakot</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/airstrikes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#airstrikes</a> <a href="https://t.co/7UEbvIPCG0">https://t.co/7UEbvIPCG0</a></p>— Iffat Hasan Rizvi (@IffatHasanRizvi) <a href="https://twitter.com/IffatHasanRizvi/status/1100306540081356800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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this bbc always comes up with gem .So no surprise there
 
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Canford Cliffs said:
India no longer depends on international superpowers to do their job unlike Pak who relies on China. This goes to show how far ahead we have come as a country. IAF in enough to take action on its own.
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It is better to engage international superpowers to resolve the issue than starting a war and wanting to kill approx. 20% of entire World’s population.
 
asifp said:
how many dead or not is a separate issue.

The fact that India Jets entered our airspace, stayed for a while and left unharmed is a bigger concern. There can two reasons only

1. We were not ready, otherwise they should have been shot down.
2. There is some back door agreement between the governments. Lets them make some hoo haa, and close this chatper
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I hope it's the latter. I can tolerate the social media and media trolls regardless, as long as there were no real nefarious intentions at play by either side.
 
Madplayer said:
You dont know how independent international journalism works? Need a lesson?
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Last time they took international media to spots where india claims to have attacked after few days, this is a golden chance to expose India if they can do it today.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
India no longer depends on international superpowers to do their job unlike Pak who relies on China. This goes to show how far ahead we have come as a country. IAF in enough to take action on its own.
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Have you far enough to show footage of the attack?
Or do you mean you have a well drilled media propoganda machine like the other superpowers
 
Mueez said:
It is better to engage international superpowers to resolve the issue than starting a war and wanting to kill approx. 20% of entire World’s population.
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A full scale war between India and Pakistan will not kill just 20%.
 
asifp said:
how many dead or not is a separate issue.

The fact that India Jets entered our airspace, stayed for a while and left unharmed is a bigger concern. There can two reasons only

1. We were not ready, otherwise they should have been shot down.
2. There is some back door agreement between the governments. Lets them make some hoo haa, and close this chatper
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This would be my guess. India is not a big enough player to do anything without asking and obtaining the permission of the rest of the world first. In the past, they have always gone running to Uncle Sam to complain, and were warned not to do anything to disturb the status quo.

A deal/agreement would probably have been brokered by some governments. India is allowed a little incursion. You will be able to still save face.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
I like this approach of India...unlike previous govt who was sending dossiers after dossier post 26/11 and was making a fool out of the country. You attack us and our air force will target you. Ofcourse, civilians should not be targetted. Great stuff by India....lets see how Pak reacts....ball in their court. I heard Imran is already asking for international help :))
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You call that an attack, more like India threw a stone and got chased away. :)):))
 
Zahid87 said:
This would be my guess. India is not a big enough player to do anything without asking and obtaining the permission of the rest of the world first. In the past, they have always gone running to Uncle Sam to complain, and were warned not to do anything to disturb the status quo.

A deal/agreement would probably have been brokered by some governments. India is allowed a little incursion. You will be able to still save face.
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Sounds like it, but what's in it for Pakistan then? Has this story completely played out, or is the last chapter waiting to be written - ie a response of some kind from the PAF?
 
Madplayer said:
A full scale war between India and Pakistan will not kill just 20%.
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Exactly.

Whole world will suffer, it will be the third World War.

We don’t want to start a war because India invades Balakot, which is 3-4 miles away from LoC.

Pakistanis and Indians need to get their act right and think about the consequences of war.
 
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Varun said:
Sounds like it, but what's in it for Pakistan then? Has this story completely played out, or is the last chapter waiting to be written - ie a response of some kind from the PAF?
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A better deal in Afghanistan.
 
Finisher said:
Have you far enough to show footage of the attack?
Or do you mean you have a well drilled media propoganda machine like the other superpowers
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:))

You need to understand something, IAF is attacking inside Pakistan. Their primary job is to finish the task and get out asap before they get killed by Pak army. They will not stand their and take photos/videos/selfies etc to appease Pakistanis. Even, great America has got no videos of capturing Osama bin Laden.

Cut down the rhetorics guys. I know it hurts that IAF went inside your home and hunt down terrorists. But pls dont make baseless arguements...lol
 
Canford Cliffs said:
You cant because the case is with ICJ....again writing big stuffs in Pakpassion means nothing. Pak cant do a jack with Kulbhushan until ICJ is there. I dare Pak....Do it :))
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Dude what up with you. You have been jumping up and down since Surgical strike part 2. Calm down a war with Pakistan will be equally devastating for both countries. Your stupidity and chest thumping is beyond insane
 
Canford Cliffs said:
You cant because the case is with ICJ....again writing big stuffs in Pakpassion means nothing. Pak cant do a jack with Kulbhushan until ICJ is there. I dare Pak....Do it :))
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3 month to go ....in short to burst your bubble .ICJ laws don,t force any nation to follow there verdict so:sendoff:shhh
 
ravisurya said:
And keep denying indian attacks just like how you didnt know Osama was in pakistan.
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Allright so why didn't India start a war with Pakistan. Why enter and then run away? We have mentioned multiple times that we don't want war and that's what our sensible leadership did there. I am sure if War breaks out you and your relatives will also be the ones praying for it to end.
 
I am surprised by the stupidity of educated folks on this forum from both sides of the border. I hope sanity prevails. I don't care what india claims lets be sensible and try to handle it diplomatically and put india in the corner internationally
 
So far Pakistan’s response has been perfect.

India making a complete mockery of itself.
I suppose that’s what you get when you elect a chai wala as your prime minister.
 
Hornbill said:
Last time they took international media to spots where india claims to have attacked after few days, this is a golden chance to expose India if they can do it today.
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Qureshi said that local and international media will be taken to the site of the Indian violation. "The helicopters are ready. If the weather permits, then they will be taken there so they could inspect themselves and expose the Indian propaganda.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1466145/i...n-minister-qureshi-addresses-press-conference

How is the weather there guys
 
Canford Cliffs said:
You cant because the case is with ICJ....again writing big stuffs in Pakpassion means nothing. Pak cant do a jack with Kulbhushan until ICJ is there. I dare Pak....Do it :))
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We have in prison, and he has been talking like a canary and that is more than enough humiliation for you.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
:))

You need to understand something, IAF is attacking inside Pakistan. Their primary job is to finish the task and get out asap before they get killed by Pak army. They will not stand their and take photos/videos/selfies etc to appease Pakistanis. Even, great America has got no videos of capturing Osama bin Laden.

Cut down the rhetorics guys. I know it hurts that IAF went inside your home and hunt down terrorists. But pls dont make baseless arguements...lol
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If you have iota of knowledge how Airforce works, you will know it is all recorded. But guess what..keep dreaming it happened
 
So official response from the pakistan govt just now. there was a brief incursion which was part of a larger operation. They incurred at 2:55 but were intercepted and made a speedy getaway. However they did offload some munitions. Casualties are unconfirmed. It was in Balakot ajk muzzafarabad area. No mention of KPK. Incursion lasted about three minutes. Sounds like they offloaded stand off munitions and turned and scooted when intercepted by the PAF. Allegedly a madrassa has been hit and more confirmation will be coming. The indian govt has let this KPK rumour come out to increase the chest thumping. Nothing in KPK has been seen or confirmed.

PS i dont have any major contacts in the PAF just relatives in the PA..just to clarify.

Just have to use your logic, Pakistan is going to retaliate. My guess is it will be against army posts on the LOC or a major target perhaps a HQ or something. Might be targeted but thats just me speculating. PAF were in the air at the time which pours cold water on the KPK rumours.
 
the Great Khan said:
So official response from the pakistan govt just now. there was a brief incursion which was part of a larger operation. They incurred at 2:55 but were intercepted and made a speedy getaway. However they did offload some munitions. Casualties are unconfirmed. It was in Balakot ajk muzzafarabad area. No mention of KPK. Incursion lasted about three minutes. Sounds like they offloaded stand off munitions and turned and scooted when intercepted by the PAF. Allegedly a madrassa has been hit and more confirmation will be coming. The indian govt has let this KPK rumour come out to increase the chest thumping. Nothing in KPK has been seen or confirmed.

PS i dont have any major contacts in the PAF just relatives in the PA..just to clarify.

Just have to use your logic, Pakistan is going to retaliate. My guess is it will be against army posts on the LOC or a major target perhaps a HQ or something. Might be targeted but thats just me speculating. PAF were in the air at the time which pours cold water on the KPK rumours.
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Great. We're screwed. Thanks for the clarity anyway.

*Liquidates stock market investments*
 
the Great Khan said:
So official response from the pakistan govt just now. there was a brief incursion which was part of a larger operation. They incurred at 2:55 but were intercepted and made a speedy getaway. However they did offload some munitions. Casualties are unconfirmed. It was in Balakot ajk muzzafarabad area. No mention of KPK. Incursion lasted about three minutes. Sounds like they offloaded stand off munitions and turned and scooted when intercepted by the PAF. Allegedly a madrassa has been hit and more confirmation will be coming. The indian govt has let this KPK rumour come out to increase the chest thumping. Nothing in KPK has been seen or confirmed.

PS i dont have any major contacts in the PAF just relatives in the PA..just to clarify.

Just have to use your logic, Pakistan is going to retaliate. My guess is it will be against army posts on the LOC or a major target perhaps a HQ or something. Might be targeted but thats just me speculating. PAF were in the air at the time which pours cold water on the KPK rumours.
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So there's a chance of war?
 
[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] tell these guys what india achieved and what pakistan lost...sign of desperation from neighbours.i ave a friend from balakoat kpk according to him nothing has happened there.
 
ravisurya said:
Right just because you are scared of taking us head on. Proxy war is a cowards way out.
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Are you that naive or pretending to be one?There are dozen terrorist attack in pak which is funded by your RAW.Now after failing in afghanistan taliban talk and Baluchistan this is new way to distabilize pak but don,t worry there will be another *** for tat
 
cricketjoshila said:
Your ISPR admitted that we went to Balakote.

He confirmed we released payload.

Now thats bombing Pakistani territory.
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oK you bombed it ,happy now live in peace.And it will guarantee that no such terror attacks will happen in India in future as they claimed last time in surgical strikes.Agression will give you nothing, I hope both countries understand it.
 
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Don't usually post in these India/Pakistan threads as these discussions tend to go in circles but this is a serious event. It's astonishing in this day and age of internet and social media we cannot independently verify the facts and have to rely on partisan outlets. However as expected, both parties are claiming some sort of victory.

Modi can say in an election year despite hitting what appears to be a remote area with very few casualties that he delivered a firm response to terror inside Pakistan without triggering a wider escalation. Pakistan accept an incursion took place (and if Balakot, KPK was hit it's a serious violation of sovereignty) but they scrambled and chased the jets away, which didn't cause much damage in the first place.

To a more broader point, for the last 15 years there has been a familiar pattern to India-Pakistan relations.

A terror attack occurs > India will claim an ISI hand > Pakistan will deny everything and ask for proof > India will look to isolate Pakistan at international forums or carry out limited military incursions > Pakistan say they will execute a "befitting response" at time/place of their choosing. Then everything calms down until the next storm hits, with innocent people suffering.

The question is how does this cycle end ? It won't happen now as there's too much hatred and mistrust but there must be dialogue. The root causes of the conflict must be addressed. Obviously terror attacks especially on civilians are appalling and can never be condoned. However the humiliation of military occupation always radicalises some pockets of the population. Despite the bombastic claims of governments, they do talk to terror or those they claim sponsor it. Israel recognised the PLO, Britain talked to the IRA, and now the most powerful military force in the world, the United States, are now talking to the Taliban. Returning to the battlefield will be catastrophic for India and Pakistan, moreso Pakistan given we are returning to some semblance of stability after a brutal war on terror. The only realistic solution is for all proxies to be disarmed, the demilitarisation of Kashmir, and for maximum political autonomy but with LOC becoming the international border. I hope peace prevails at least in my lifetime.
 
saeed5646 said:
3 month to go ....in short to burst your bubble .ICJ laws don,t force any nation to follow there verdict so:sendoff:shhh
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Do it....hang Kulbhushan Jadhav. I am daring Pakistan....do it. Posting smileys and making up stuffs will not help the cause. Hang Jadhav if Pak has guts against international law and then come for chest thumping.
 
Hornbill said:
Qureshi said that local and international media will be taken to the site of the Indian violation. "The helicopters are ready. If the weather permits, then they will be taken there so they could inspect themselves and expose the Indian propaganda.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1466145/i...n-minister-qureshi-addresses-press-conference

How is the weather there guys
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Weather is not really good in this region it's been raining in upper Punjab, KP and Azad Kashmir from last few days.
 
PerfectionPersonified said:
If you have iota of knowledge how Airforce works, you will know it is all recorded. But guess what..keep dreaming it happened
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Oh so America has got recorded proof of Bin Laden raid? You need to understand these are secret raids and taking pictures is impossoble. Its about finishing the job and get out asap before you get killed.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Do it....hang Kulbhushan Jadhav. I am daring Pakistan....do it. Posting smileys and making up stuffs will not help the cause. Hang Jadhav if Pak has guts against international law and then come for chest thumping.
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Not sure if your following the case; Pakistan will win at ICJ it seems.
 
I think the circumstances are out of control now. More the govt/ army wait more the pressure will built. This action reaction game will led these two countries to full war.
 
After countless violation of our airspace by the americans this latest violation by our arch-rival and getting away safely is a matter of great humiliation.
 
Azzurri said:
Dude what up with you. You have been jumping up and down since Surgical strike part 2. Calm down a war with Pakistan will be equally devastating for both countries. Your stupidity and chest thumping is beyond insane
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I have nothing against Pak people or else I would not be posting here. If any civilians (innocent ones) gets killed knowingly by our army...I would be the first one to condemn. But attacking Jaish camps will help both Ind and Pak to prosper. Its a different story that Pak govt should have attacked those terror hideouts long time ago but then again we know its army which dictate terms there.
 
I cant believe thumping Indians want a war.

Everyone in this forum is sitting safe at home and wants their nations to attack.

Pata nai kya hogaya hy logon ko.

If Pakistan retaliates ... this is gonna get ugly.

War is very possible in 24 hours. The first 24 hours are crucial for preventing a war. But it seems it wont happen.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Do it....hang Kulbhushan Jadhav. I am daring Pakistan....do it. Posting smileys and making up stuffs will not help the cause. Hang Jadhav if Pak has guts against international law and then come for chest thumping.
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Don,t worry terrorist will be hang soon .First tell indian government to behave with there national hero famliy

 
WTH is wrong with indian media? Their channels are showing a 2 years old video from youtube as proof of attack and bhakts are believing it.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Your ISPR admitted that we went to Balakote.

He confirmed we released payload.

Now thats bombing Pakistani territory.
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Released a payload that targetted a JEM camp or released a payload in haste and scambled back?

I'm not denying that the intrusion happened, and I firmly believe Pakistan should have shot the jet down without any hesitation.

But the lies the Indian media are peddling, are ridiculous to say the least.
 
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