Pak A V India Warm-Up Match| Official Match Thread (merged) [6/1/06]

[raunaq]

thats not true, pakistan line up is the very good as it has alot of variation and one more thing at least we have a world class bowler where as india and less than average!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Less than average bowling attacks don't make a team no. 2 in the rankings.

Pathan , Kumble, Harbhajan all average 26 or 27 in tests.

Pakistan has only one bowler who averages in the 20s.

Umar Gul has played on 5 tests and is not even a 1st choice pick.

 

[Mercenary]

Well for me the warm up game is an indication that the all the batters look in reasonable touch.

And I maintain that apart from Akhtar, Pakistan don't have a single world class pace bowler.

People keep saying that Pakistan have a superior attack but I don't buy that, and Pakistan's test results also back that up.

You're completely right, Pakistan only have one half decent bowler who has only ever completed one series in his life.

Our batsmen cant handle the combination of exaggerated swing (Pathan & Agarkar) and incredible turn (Kumble) that the Indians have to offer.

Also our fielders cover their hands in butter when they go out to field too!

 

[coolgangsta]

This might be reverse tactics being used from the ones used against england. For england we put them on green seamers in practioce then bunged them on flat pancakes in the tests. Cos india is a diffrenet sort of batting line up, we reverse this by giving them pancakes first, then making green bouncy pitches which should shock them. Its only a theory but it sounds like the work of mastermind bob woolmer.

True! I agree!

 

[coolgangsta]

Less than average bowling attacks don't make a team no. 2 in the rankings.

Pathan , Kumble, Harbhajan all average 26 or 27 in tests.

Pakistan has only one bowler who averages in the 20s.

Umar Gul has played on 5 tests and is not even a 1st choice pick.

Geez you must be the life and soul of the party! Dont be tooo optimistic! )

 

[raunaq]

You're completely right, Pakistan only have one half decent bowler who has only ever completed one series in his life.

Our batsmen cant handle the combination of exaggerated swing (Pathan & Agarkar) and incredible turn (Kumble) that the Indians have to offer.

Also our fielders cover their hands in butter when they go out to field too!

Glad we can agree on something.

Although Kumble doesnt turn the ball , 485 test wickets without turning a cricket ball aint bad.

Only Pathan swings it.

As for Agarkar trust me the only people glad to see him selected for India is the opposition.

In that sense he has a lot in common with your Mohammad Sami.

Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz select him in all three tests and all future India-Pak contests.

 

[raunaq]

Geez you must be the life and soul of the party! Dont be tooo optimistic! )

Optimism is better than unrealism which you guys have perfected.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Stats dont tell the whole strory. Pathan averages 26 but if you look in detail you come to the conclusion that he is not good against quality batting. He has decreased his average by performing against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. In other words he is a potential minnow-basher.

Actually Shoaib and Gul have an average that is better than any of your Indian bowlers.

 

[iqbalharoon213]

Less than average bowling attacks don't make a team no. 2 in the rankings.

Pathan , Kumble, Harbhajan all average 26 or 27 in tests.

Pakistan has only one bowler who averages in the 20s.

Umar Gul has played on 5 tests and is not even a 1st choice pick.

i meant bowling like taking wickiets not just rolling it down the other end whcihn is what indian bowlers do.

and

indian have only got 2 bowlers who can bowl whereas pakistan have got at least 6 in 1 lineup.

akhtar
kaneria
afridi
razaaq
malik
sami
rana

 

[Mercenary]

Pathan , Kumble, Harbhajan all average 26 or 27 in tests.

Not quite (excl Zim & BD)...

28.14 - Harbhajan
28.76 - Kumble
42.85 - Pathan

...28 is a good average for the spinners but if you compare the difference between their averages home vs away then its a different story.

 

[raunaq]

Stats dont tell the whole strory. Pathan averages 26 but if you look in detail you come to the conclusion that he is not good against quality batting. He has decreased his average by performing against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. In other words he is a potential minnow-basher.

Actually Shoaib and Gul have an average that is better than any of your Indian bowlers.

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr hes not from Pakistan, but enjoys bowling to Pakistani batsmen, he has 485 test wickets , he got 20 wickets in his last series and will be India's leading wicket taker at the end of this tour.

Oh and it's not Stuart McGill (who also is a better bowler than Kaneria).

 

[Usman Chadda]

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr hes not from Pakistan, but enjoys bowling to Pakistani batsmen, he has 485 test wickets , he got 20 wickets in his last series and will be India's leading wicket taker at the end of this tour.

Oh and it's not Stuart McGill (who also is a better bowler than Kaneria).

India's fastest bowler...............Anil Kumble

 

[raunaq]

i meant bowling like taking wickiets not just rolling it down the other end whcihn is what indian bowlers do.

and

indian have only got 2 bowlers who can bowl whereas pakistan have got at least 6 in 1 lineup.

akhtar
kaneria
afridi
razaaq
malik
sami
rana

Bowling a ball is not the same as taking a wicket or winning a match.

 

[raunaq]

Not quite (excl Zim & BD)...

28.14 - Harbhajan
28.76 - Kumble
42.85 - Pathan

...28 is a good average for the spinners but if you compare the difference between their averages home vs away then its a different story.

Good you excluded Bang and Zim.

Cricketers won't progress if they keep playing that standard of opposition.

By the way don't you guys play Bangladesh more than anybody else???

 

[coolgangsta]

Optimism is better than unrealism which you guys have perfected.

You can be optimistic about something that is unrealistic but non the less probable! Pak beating india is not beyond the realms of possibility. Anyway this website is called Pakpassion......people who are passionate about pakistani cricket it may be why most of us have "unrealistic" expectations of pakistan beating india!

 

[raunaq]

India's fastest bowler...............Anil Kumble

Kumble - Fast and deadly accurate.

Sami - Fast and deadly inaccurate.

Rana - Semi-fast and deadly expensive.

Shoaib - Fast on the pitch and faster to nightclubs than any of the above.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Kumble - Fast and deadly accurate.

So true! The only 'fast' bowler to play for India. Accurate? hmm....wanna go back to third test in Bangalore or the last day of Mohali?

 

[raunaq]

You can be optimistic about something that is unrealistic but non the less probable! Pak beating india is not beyond the realms of possibility. Anyway this website is called Pakpassion......people who are passionate about pakistani cricket it may be why most of us have "unrealistic" expectations of pakistan beating india!

Pakpassion could be for those passionately committed to beating Pakistan.

But anyway you guys need somebody to bring your expectations down to earth.

There's too much back slapping around here.

 

[raunaq]

So true! The only 'fast' bowler to play for India. Accurate? hmm....wanna go back to third test in Bangalore or the last day of Mohali?

Kumble has more than a decent record against your team.

You don't just judge a bowler by his good days but by how many bad days he has.

And Anil Kumble has had very few bad days against Pakistan.

 

[z10]

Kumble - Fast and deadly accurate.

Sami - Fast and deadly inaccurate.

Rana - Semi-fast and deadly expensive.

Shoaib - Fast on the pitch and faster to nightclubs than any of the above.

perhaps Kumble should open the bowling too then?

 

[Mercenary]

By the way don't you guys play Bangladesh more than anybody else???

yeah we gotta break this habit of playing the minnows.

I blame Woolmer recently we wasted 10 ODi's playing some minnow in which they only won 2 games. Heck overall we've battered that team in 64% of ODI's played and beaten them in 58% of tests with results.

But still we play them

 

[Mercenary]

Rana - Semi-fast and deadly expensive.

Is that semi fast by Pakistani standards then?

Because he is faster than any Indian bowler and he bowled faster than all the English bowlers during the recent series!

 

[Somali Pirate]

Pakistan A may have softened up England but against a quality batting team like India it's a different story - isn't it?

According to reports this is just the kind of wicket the Pakistan management want ie something with a little pace and movement.

Frankly apart from Shoaib your other test pace bowlers are not much different in speed or quality to what the Indians faced in Lahore today.

India can challenge Pakistan on any surfaces they prepare.

the wicket was flat and slow.

it was not the minefield england faced in nov.

by the way shabbir and rana are two bowlers that can can suprise the indians if they played them right now

 

[Usman Chadda]

Kumble has more than a decent record against your team.

You don't just judge a bowler by his good days but by how many bad days he has.

And Anil Kumble has had very few bad days against Pakistan.

I have always respected Kumble as a great fighter for his country. But I have to say this:

Whenever Kumble gets beaten or gets frustrated his face is a delight to watch. A prime example being when Anwar slapped him for back to back sixes, when Afridi did the same thing and the last day at Mohali. Brilliant to watch

 

[coolgangsta]

what is pathans(how the hell he calls himself pathan i dunno) top 5 bowling scores and who are they against?

 

[Somali Pirate]

yeah we gotta break this habit of playing the minnows.

I blame Woolmer recently we wasted 10 ODi's playing some minnow in which they only won 2 games. Heck overall we've battered that team in 64% of ODI's played and beaten them in 58% of tests with results.

But still we play them

ouch!

 

[Somali Pirate]

Kumble has more than a decent record against your team.

You don't just judge a bowler by his good days but by how many bad days he has.

And Anil Kumble has had very few bad days against Pakistan.

yeah i remember him getting creamed in bangalore.

1 wicket for 200 odd.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Forget Bangladesh raunaq. As Merc said above, we have played a minnow in March '04 and once again in March '05. The PCB needs to understand that playing against minnows spoils a team.

 

[raunaq]

the wicket was flat and slow.

it was not the minefield england faced in nov.

by the way shabbir and rana are two bowlers that can can suprise the indians if they played them right now

If Shabbir had is whole right arm in a plaster cast, there would still be some way in which he could throw a cricket ball.

As for Rana, 7 matches 15 wickets.

Please let him play (with Sami ofcourse).

 

[raunaq]

what is pathans(how the hell he calls himself pathan i dunno) top 5 bowling scores and who are they against?

Lets not get into the stupid debates.

Pathan is the man's name and unlike in your team there is no pressure to change your name or your religion to play for India.

 

[Usman]

Good you excluded Bang and Zim.

Cricketers won't progress if they keep playing that standard of opposition.

By the way don't you guys play Bangladesh more than anybody else???

raunaq, getting a bit carried away are we? We don't play weak teams as often as India (exept for when we play India) and that is a fact. If you recall not so long ago, the Indian saviour scored 100 of 156535235234437894545068656765 deliveries not to mention getting out on the next ball against a team who is on the brink of loosing its test status and annonced to the world his outstanding form! Then the world's greatest bowler got the wicket of Blessing Mahwire and the whole of India went into celebrations of finding the next Waseem Akram! Its not Pakistani supporters that need to get down to earth, its the Indians.

 

[raunaq]

Is that semi fast by Pakistani standards then?

Because he is faster than any Indian bowler and he bowled faster than all the English bowlers during the recent series!

Glenn Mcgrath would be slow by the legendary standards of Pakistan fast bowling.

Speed aint everything.

 

[Tupac]

yea! Day 1 to India and Tendulkar top scores...dream start!

Hash...43/4? More like 298/4!

Raunaq...by saying pakistan has only one world class bowler is stretching it bud, Kannu is good, Shoaib is amazing...and rana has improved. Let's not get carried away by our victory on the first day...rememba, the test is gonna be much harder then this!

on the weather note....it didn't seem too bad today did it? only 13 overs lost....and from the pictures it looked sunny!

 

[raunaq]

Good you excluded Bang and Zim.

Cricketers won't progress if they keep playing that standard of opposition.

By the way don't you guys play Bangladesh more than anybody else???

raunaq, getting a bit carried away are we? We don't play weak teams as often as India (exept for when we play India) and that is a fact. If you recall not so long ago, the Indian saviour scored 100 of 156535235234437894545068656765 deliveries not to mention getting out on the next ball against a team who is on the brink of loosing its test status and annonced to the world his outstanding form! Then the world's greatest bowler got the wicket of Blessing Mahwire and the whole of India went into celebrations of finding the next Waseem Akram! Its not Pakistani supporters that need to get down to earth, its the Indians.

No you don't play much cricket at all period.

You have to beg teams to visit.

Thats why Bangladesh who also are short of matches , seem to be favourite opposition of of the PCB.

 

[Usman]

Glenn Mcgrath would be slow by the legendary standards of Pakistan fast bowling.

Speed aint everything.

This is exactly what I mean, how could you possibly compare Akarkar and Pathan to guys like McGrath and Waeem???? Ofcouse speed isn't everything but if you don't have speed then you need incredible contole like McGrath and NOBODY in your bowling line up has that contole!

 

[coolgangsta]

[Edit by Mods: Waste of post space Coolgangsta - pls limit your discussion to Cricket only - this is a friendly warning]

 

[raunaq]

Good you excluded Bang and Zim.

Cricketers won't progress if they keep playing that standard of opposition.

By the way don't you guys play Bangladesh more than anybody else???
No you don't play much cricket at all period.

You have to beg teams to visit.

Thats why Bangladesh who also are short of matches , seem to be favourite opposition of of the PCB.

Blessing Mahwire, he didnt play in 1996 when Zimbabwe beat Pakistan in Pakistan in a test series - did he????

No but Wasim Akram did and Salim Malik.

AH - Wasim and Salim played!!!!

Now there was an opporunity to have a parliamentary investigation that was missed.

 

[Mercenary]

raunaq if you cant stick to cricketing discussion within civilised confines then you will be getting a one way ticket back to you know where

Every post is an atttempt to get a reaction and to be honest i dont have the time to waste

 

[Usman]

Blessing Mahwire, he didnt play in 1996 when Zimbabwe beat Pakistan in Pakistan in a test series - did he????

No but Wasim Akram did and Salim Malik.

AH - Wasim and Salim played!!!!

Now there was an opporunity to have a parliamentary investigation that was missed.

Where from hell you got match fixing from is beyond me but does Mohammad Azharuddin ring a bell? Your just as bad as anyone in that department but it has nothing to do with the topic so I suggest you don't go into it.

 

[Afzal_K]

[Edit by Mods: Waste of post space Coolgangsta - pls limit your discussion to Cricket only - this is a friendly warning]

Never throw stones when your own house is made of glass

Generalization is a fool's job (a frustrated one)

Don't spoil a cricket thread mate

 

[shikari]

Guys relax

This a cricket form and we are fighting like cats and dogs.
I like both the teams and the firece competition between them.
I enjoy the indian batting and they are stronger in that department than Pakistan which to me is a great challenge for Pakistani bowlers. Pakistan plays better in ODI's against India and gives them a tough time. Pakistan has its own problems in the longer version of the game but there is definitely been a marked improvement in the Pakistani test side.

I think this series will be a close contest and i definitely cannot rule out a series win for either team.

Lets enjoy the series and watch some good cricket and not argue like kids.

Lets not get into the stupid debates.

Pathan is the man's name and unlike in your team there is no pressure to change your name or your religion to play for India.

Raunaq the above statement was uncalled for and has nothing do with cricket. Lets not bring religion on this forum

 

[Hash]

raunaq- No need to make baseless, pathetic and childish comments like that. If you want to talk about religion there is plenty we can talk about with regards to India so keep your mouth firmly shut in that regard. And don't open it again.

 

[raunaq]

raunaq- No need to make baseless, pathetic and childish comments like that. If you want to talk about religion there is plenty we can talk about with regards to India so keep your mouth firmly shut in that regard. And don't open it again.

It was only a response to one of your stupid compratiots.

Who inferred that Irfan can't be a Pathan because he hails from India.

Besides which the question of religion and cricket has been highlighted by your media more than anyone else.

It wasnt the India media who said that Yousef converted under pressure to eventually be considered for the Pak captaincy.

It was in the Dawn, The News , Cricinfo etc and his own mother said much the same.

So the claims are not baseless or childish.

 

[raunaq]

Where from hell you got match fixing from is beyond me but does Mohammad Azharuddin ring a bell? Your just as bad as anyone in that department but it has nothing to do with the topic so I suggest you don't go into it.

Mohammad Azharuddin yeah he is good buddies with Waz and Salim.

 

[z10]

but the claims are outside the scope of this thread and perhaps even this forum

its his personal business and we are only concerned with his exploits on the field

so keep it out of here

 

[ataullah]

It was only a response to one of your stupid compratiots.

Who inferred that Irfan can't be a Pathan because he hails from India.

Besides which the question of religion and cricket has been highlighted by your media more than anyone else.

It wasnt the India media who said that Yousef converted under pressure to eventually be considered for the Pak captaincy.

It was in the Dawn, The News , Cricinfo etc and his own mother said much the same.

So the claims are not baseless or childish.

whats ur prediction for pak india test and odi series?

 

[MIG]

Raunaq - I think above statements that you have made make your position untenable at PP - you have come here with an agenda which may be suitable on another forum ( where you more than likely post and where you will undoubtedly boast about this ) but your time here is up.

Regards

MIG/Merc

 

[floatingslip]

Raunaq - I think above statements that you have made make your position untenable at PP - you have come here with an agenda which may be suitable on another forum ( where you more than likely post and where you will undoubtedly boast about this ) but your time here is up.

Regards

MIG/Merc

good riddance

 

[Mercenary]

I almost got rid of raunaq after his first few posts where he was calling Pakistani's all sorts of names but I gave him a chance. Obviously some people cant help themselves!

 

[ataullah]

I almost got rid of raunaq after his first few posts where he was calling Pakistani's all sorts of names but I gave him a chance. Obviously some people cant help themselves!

yep he got a warning but carried on.

 

[Usman Chadda]

So mr.raunaq is gone? Aww....I was having fun with the chap.

Good riddance anyway. Such slime should be put away.

 

[Tupac]

it's aight, this soldier will carry on!

 

[Mercenary]

it's aight, this soldier will carry on!

We encourage a pro-Indian viewpoint. it makes things more interesting but when someone is only out to provoke then goodbye!!

 

[coolgangsta]

I almost got rid of raunaq after his first few posts where he was calling Pakistani's all sorts of names but I gave him a chance. Obviously some people cant help themselves!

good work.....if you allowed me to get back at him and teach the scumbag a lesson this board would go downhill. Your right keep it to cricket!

 

[Rickz]

Great start by the Indian on thuer first warm up match, Gambhir, Jaffer, Dravid and Tendulkar all getting 50s, Laxman and Yuvraj looks well set. Gul bowled ok.

 

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

srt on form is an ominous sign - i just hope the little master is contained in the series

 

[octavian]

oh man raunaq is banned !!

we were having so much funb with him !! Damn i missed out

 

[Easa]

The day belonged to India but I think Pakistan can fight back into this match with our pretty strong batting line up. Bad news for Pak, sounds like Tendulkar is in form.

Good riddance to Raunaq.

 

[inzidabest]

its ok folks. This does not gove any hint. last tour Pak A chased 340 against India. But India went on to win the series. India can take some heart from this performance. Things will be difernt on 13th Jan. The team that playes ell in the first tow session will prob rule the series

 

[Aurangzeb]

guys calm down...its only a practice match...indians are obviously getting high and mighty due to this but who cares...if the A team can keep it close and competitive i would consider it a victory...too bad raunaq is gone...we should send some of the comments these jokers make to the players...it'll provide extra incentive to do well...

 

[inzidabest]

I can understand Raunaqs frustration. Indians this time were worried about India losing badly. India did well on Day 1. so the frustration had to come out. It h ad to show.
Pakistan still favourates to me.

 

[GQ]

I'm actually happy that Indians scored some runs. This will boost their confodence and will not know what hit 'em when Pakis strike 'em in the first test!

 

[inzidabest]

Last 2 years India were favourates. Jeet lo Dil and then also when pakistan toured India. Its a different story that Pak beat the hell out of India after Jeet lo dil.but India were still favourates. Pak are favourates this time and it will take some time to accept that. And any good performance from india will trigger statement like raunaq

 

[Usman]

Well one message will firmly be recived in the Pak camp that India will not be as easy as England to beat and this should hopefully make them work even harder! With the entire line up showing form, it is important that when Sehwag returns, he doesn't score big or get them off to some flying starts because getting through the middle order will definatley not be easy. Oh and thank God raunaq is gone, its one thing to be an Indian fan but its totaly unaceptable when you start throwing offence at the opposition.

 

[coolgangsta]

Never throw stones when your own house is made of glass

Generalization is a fool's job (a frustrated one)

Don't spoil a cricket thread mate

If you got something to say say it!

 

[mister]

India whooped pakistan A nicely...hopefully laxman makes 100 tomorrow....boys beware! Sachin in form....

 

[inzidabest]

Pakistan team is already beware. That is why they called India favourates.



_________________________________________________________
There is no shame in accepting that winning team played better cricket.

 

[DM]

not much time to post but...

Mohammad Irshad - similar to Shoaib Akhtar in action and not too far behind in speed - was the most threatening of the lot


© Cricinfo

 

[octavian]

what time does the game start

 

[hasan316]

any live scorecard

 

[jusarrived]

Pretty good start for indians...dissapointed to see our top 4 not convert starts into big scores...wud have loved to see Ghambir start with a century,like i have said b4 ,this guy is gonna surprise few ppl...just a practice match though!

 

[slix10]

hopefully they will update the scorecard at cricinfo.

they only updated at sessions yesterday.

 

[slix10]

also shouldn't they have it at the pcb.com.pk site?
where the live scorecards at?

 

[Romali_rotti]

hello? is anyone alive here>?

 

[RunInzyRun]

Rumour has it that the scorecard will be running live today...but I'm not sure, PCB may be having a live scorecard now that they're up and running. But don't get your hopes too high, PCB isn't exactly the most enthusiastic when it comes to work...

 

[Romali_rotti]

So in other words we wont know the score till end of the day

 

[Amir]

Pretty good start for indians...dissapointed to see our top 4 not convert starts into big scores...wud have loved to see Ghambir start with a century,like i have said b4 ,this guy is gonna surprise few ppl...just a practice match though!

Don't you know? Pakistan is notoriously known to help players get on the right career path/resurrect a career.

We made Vettori into a all rounder. Resurrected Balaji. Bell is know a top class batsmen.

I am not saying these players didn't do it alone, just that Pakistan helps people get back on track.

 

[slix10]

Updated:


Indians 1st innings R B 4 6
G Gambhir c Iftikhar Anjum b Mohammad Irshad 53 84 9 0
W Jaffer c Zulqarnain Haider b Umar Gul 58 102 8 0
*R Dravid c Hasan Raza b Imran Farhat 63 100 7 0
SR Tendulkar c Zulqarnain Haider b Yasir Arafat 74 102 10 0
VVS Laxman not out 31 77 5 0
Yuvraj Singh not out 14 32 1 0
Extras (b 5, lb 4, nb 10) 19
Total (4 wickets, 81 overs) 312

To Bat: Harbhajan Singh, +MS Dhoni, AB Agarkar, RP Singh, Z Khan.

FoW: 1-81, 2-153, 3-220, 4-279.

Bowling O M R W
Umar Gul 13 1 40 1
Iftikhar Anjum 12 2 37 0
Yasir Arafat 19 3 66 1 (3nb)
Mohammad Irshad 13 2 44 1 (4nb)
Imran Farhat 8 0 36 1
Mansoor Amjad 16 0 80 0 (3nb)

 

[Toony™®]

http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/IND_PAK-A_07-09JAN2006.html

 

[samisback]

Updated:


Indians 1st innings R B 4 6
G Gambhir c Iftikhar Anjum b Mohammad Irshad 53 84 9 0
W Jaffer c Zulqarnain Haider b Umar Gul 58 102 8 0
*R Dravid c Hasan Raza b Imran Farhat 63 100 7 0
SR Tendulkar c Zulqarnain Haider b Yasir Arafat 74 102 10 0
VVS Laxman not out 31 77 5 0
Yuvraj Singh not out 14 32 1 0
Extras (b 5, lb 4, nb 10) 19
Total (4 wickets, 81 overs) 312

To Bat: Harbhajan Singh, +MS Dhoni, AB Agarkar, RP Singh, Z Khan.

FoW: 1-81, 2-153, 3-220, 4-279.

Bowling O M R W
Umar Gul 13 1 40 1
Iftikhar Anjum 12 2 37 0
Yasir Arafat 19 3 66 1 (3nb)
Mohammad Irshad 13 2 44 1 (4nb)
Imran Farhat 8 0 36 1
Mansoor Amjad 16 0 80 0 (3nb)

why did u have to do that? i mean why tell us esp when no more wickets were down ?????

 

[HAFRIDI]

357/4

laxman retired hurt, dhoni in, yuvraj on 36