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South Africa (362/6) ease past India (358/5) by 4 wickets in 2nd ODI in Raipur to level series 1-1

Red-Indian said:
It's been mystifying for a long time and I can only conclude the idea of Jadeja in limited overs is much more enticing than the reality.

The idea is - a tight bowler who gets through his overs quickly and a useful batter who has an average over 30.
The reality is - a non wicket taking bowler who can only bowl in the middle overs while being steadily milked and batter who bats down the order when quick runs are required but can only maintain a strike rate in the 80. Also he only really averages about 20 per game because he's boosted by a massive number of not outs.
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I mean the evidence today shows he has severe limitations in the 50 over format didn't take a wicket and went at nearly 6 an over, and with the bat a measly 24 of 27.

From the outside looking in, I just don't understand why India doesn't give Axar a long run in the side

Anyway the more problems India have with internal selections the better for the rest of the world :kp
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
What about the poor seating facilities, lack of civic sense, lighting, and broadcasting? Are you going to blame all of that on the hot weather too? Kabhi toh aankhein khol liya kar. :inti
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As usual you are only complainant.... India have better stadiums n facilities as compared to pak n ban
 
globetrotter said:
As usual you are only complainant.... India have better stadiums n facilities as compared to pak n ban
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Are you watching it on Star Sports? Can you tell any difference between this match and matches in Pakistan/Bangladesh? It seems me comparing Indian stadiums and broadcast quality with Pak/Ban triggered you. You didn't even talk about Aus, NZ, Eng, SA because you have nothing left to debate. Ja aage ja. :inti
 
RexRex said:
How did SA become so good suddenly ? I really underestimated their bench strength in recent times.
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From their perspective thank God for Brexit and SA20

The likes of Beretzke, Bosch,Veryanne, Mulder, De Zorzi and many more would have all gone down the Kolpak route if it wasn't for Brexit
 
neonoir said:
From their perspective thank God for Brexit and SA20

The likes of Beretzke, Bosch,Veryanne, Mulder, De Zorzi and many more would have all gone down the Kolpak route if it wasn't for Brexit
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What is Brexit here??
 
If Pakistan loses, then it's a loss against the "C" side.

But if India loses against this SA side, then it's a loss against their best side? Is that how it goes?

SA without Rabada, Miller, Van der Dussen, Shamsi, Coetzee.
 
it was apparent long back that dew was too heavy ... perhaps KL should have got Kuldeep in the 6th-7th over of innings itself & given him a longish spell .
 
shariqnoor said:
If Pakistan loses, then it's a loss against the "C" side.

But if India loses against this SA side, then it's a loss against their best side? Is that how it goes?

SA without Rabada, Miller, Van der Dussen, Shamsi, Coetzee.
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You are right but the point you are missing is that India is competing at International Tournaments , but Pakistan is unable to do so. Once pakistan start doing that , they will also be rated highly.
 
Victory for cricket, victory for south africa, this is India 448th loss in ODI cricket, fantastic stuff by south africa
 
So many fielding lapses cost india this match . Without Bumrah India pace attack is toothless.
 
saabir said:
So many fielding lapses cost india this match . Without Bumrah India pace attack is toothless.
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Only Prasidh is mediocre. Harshit is decent at best. Arshdeep is the only real talented bowler.

Ideal Indian pace attack should have Bumrah/Arshdeep/Pandya.
 
shariqnoor said:
If Pakistan loses, then it's a loss against the "C" side.

But if India loses against this SA side, then it's a loss against their best side? Is that how it goes?

SA without Rabada, Miller, Van der Dussen, Shamsi, Coetzee.
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Van der Dussen is no longer part of the ODI setup and they have likely moved on from Miller as well. Not sure when Shamsi even last played ODIs regularly for them

Rabada is a miss for sure. Coetzee is probably better than Ngidi but they have to maintain quotas as well
 
Harshit Rana is run machine . He bowled too many hit me balls. Only pace not going to help him..same is the case with Krishna he is also expensive. No one supporting Arshdeep.. India need to find few more young pacers who are consistent with line and length and bowl with decent pace.
 
Aur khelo dew mein...

This will be same story if India bowls second in T20 World Cup 2026 semifinal at Wankhede or in the final at that panauti stadium.
 
Saffers are competing and winning because of that batting depth. Having Brevis, Jansen and Bosch at 6,7 and 8 is huge compared to Washington , Jadeja and Rana.

India were actually ahead after 39 overs but Washington and Jadeja were terrible while the power and depth of the Saffer lower order came through
 
Champ_Pal said:
Only Prasidh is mediocre. Harshit is decent at best. Arshdeep is the only real talented bowler.

Ideal Indian pace attack should have Bumrah/Arshdeep/Pandya.
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Harshit is spray gun..he can't bowl 6 good balls in one over. He is all over the place most of the time..he is only good when ball get old. Agreed Bumrah and Arshdeep followed by Hardik are the best option atm..
 
Need to get rid of dead wood Jadeja who could manage only 24 of 28 in last 10 overs.

Can't even bowl in such conditions.

Good he is not in the T20 team anymore.
 
India should have these bowlers for next ODI WC

Bumrah
Arshdeep
Hardik
Kuldeep
Aksar Patel

This bowling attack can defend 300 on any pitch 8 times out of 10
 
harshjoshi87 said:
Need to get rid of dead wood Jadeja who could manage only 24 of 28 in last 10 overs.

Can't even bowl in such conditions.

Good he is not in the T20 team anymore.
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Agreed Jadeja is 36 . He is loosing his hitting ability and also he is not the same bowler anymore. Today his fielding was not good too..may be it's time to replace him with Aksar Patel..
 
Incredible run chase by South Africa

Both games high scoring affairs.

Let’s see who wins the decider
 
I believe this is the 6th highest successful run chase in ODI's history.

South Africa were superb.
 
saabir said:
358 is below par??? This is more than enough to win against this SA side. But bowlers could not defend it due to absence of 2 key bowlers
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Below par on this pitch , taking dew into account.

Only 74 runs in the last 11 overs were scored by India
 
Corbin Bosch does not get enough credit. He is a seriously clutch player. Give him consistent opportunities and he will be right up there among the best pure all-rounders in the world.

I don't really see how there is even a choice between him and Mulder.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Below par on this pitch , taking dew into account.

Only 74 runs in the last 11 overs were scored by India
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DEW - most important
56 runs were scored from 39th to 49th : with 7 wickets in hand at end of 38th , we were 15 short to say the least .
Sundar should not be batting below number 8 & he is not good enough to bowl the FULL quoata in ODI's .
GG the 🫏
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Considering where India were when Kohli and Gaikwad were batting, they should have ended up with 400. At a minimum, 380.
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Credit to South Africa though. They are building a no nonsense powerful batting lineup until #8 and are going about ODI cricket the right way while India continued to flog bowling heavy theories with the likes of Sundar and Jadeja

Augurs well for their home World Cup
 
Human786 said:
DEW - most important
56 runs were scored from 39th to 49th : with 7 wickets in hand at end of 38th , we were 15 short to say the least .
Sundar should not be batting below number 8 & he is not good enough to bowl the FULL quoata in ODI's .
GG the 🫏
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Last 16 overs, IND scored 109 , lesser than scored in first 16 & the next 16 .
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Credit to South Africa though. They are building a no nonsense powerful batting lineup until #8 and are going about ODI cricket the right way while India continued to flog bowling heavy theories with the likes of Sundar and Jadeja

Augurs well for their home World Cup
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What is Jadeja even doing in the ODI team? Did Axar Patel spit in Gambhir's coffee or something?

South Africa look great. Get Miller in for De Zorzi and Rabada and Coetzee in for Burger and Ngidi, and that's one of the best XI's in ODI cricket.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
What is Jadeja even doing in the ODI team? Did Axar Patel spit in Gambhir's coffee or something?

South Africa look great. Get Miller in for De Zorzi and Rabada and Coetzee in for Burger and Ngidi, and that's one of the best XI's in ODI cricket.
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Sundar is equally crap in ODIs. Basically, the right handed Jadeja
 
South Africa look amazing going into the World Cup at home. Favorites to win the tournament, if you ask me. They have all bases covered for a World Cup in South Africa.

✅Destructive opening combo (Markram, QDK)
✅A middle order that combines fire (Brevis, Miller) and ice (Bavuma, Breetzke)
✅Batting depth and lower-order firepower (Bosch, Jansen)
✅One of the best and most fearsome pace-attacks in the world (Rabada, Coetzee, Jansen, Burger, Bosch)
✅Top-class spin option (Maharaj)
✅Bench strength (De Zorzi, Rickelton, Ngidi, Mulder)

I would like to see Tristan Stubbs be given some more opportunities in ODI, because he's a fantastic talent who hasn't quite cracked it in that format yet.

Donovan Ferreira is another talent with high potential who can't even get into the first choice side.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
What is Jadeja even doing in the ODI team? Did Axar Patel spit in Gambhir's coffee or something?

South Africa look great. Get Miller in for De Zorzi and Rabada and Coetzee in for Burger and Ngidi, and that's one of the best XI's in ODI cricket.
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Klassen in for Bavuma. Monster lineup

They'll dominate the home World Cup.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Klassen in for Bavuma. Monster lineup

They'll dominate the home World Cup.
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Sadly it seems Bavuma is playing the World Cup, and Klaasen ain't coming back.

Tbh, I would take Stubbs at 3 too. I know he hasn't found his feet in ODI but he has all the tools to make it big in this format.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Sadly it seems Bavuma is playing the World Cup, and Klaasen ain't coming back.

Tbh, I would take Stubbs at 3 too. I know he hasn't found his feet in ODI but he has all the tools to make it big in this format.
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Yeah I get that but if somehow Conrad can make that switch happen , I don't see even the Aussies stopping them .

Will go down as the one of the best ODI batting lineups ever.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The idea of off-spinners in ODIs is in itself a dated concept. I can't think of a single good or successful off-spinner in ODI cricket right now.
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India is the only team stupid enough to play a specialist bowler as their 6th bowler and that too an offspinner.

I literally can't think of any other team that team that plays such a stupid brand of ODI cricket.

Thankfully, at least our T20 cricket has evolved after Rohit, Kohli and Jadeja retired and we started playing deeper batting lineups.

Maybe it requires the retirement of these 3 even in ODI cricket to change the combination of our team .

Apart from the fact that they will be too old by 2027, their influence on the white ball combination has been decidedly negative.
 
South Africa defeated India by four wickets in the second ODI of the three-match series at the Shaheed Veer Narayan Singh International Stadium in Raipur. Chasing a daunting target of 359, the visitors reached 359/6 with four balls to spare.

Aiden Markram led the charge with a superb 110, while Matthew Breetzke contributed a valuable 68. For India, Arshdeep Singh and Prasidh Krishna picked up two wickets apiece.

Earlier, India posted 358/5 after electing to bat. Ruturaj Gaikwad struck a fluent 105 off 83 balls, and Virat Kohli added 102 off 93 deliveries — his record-extending 53rd ODI century.

In South Africa’s bowling effort, Marco Jansen claimed two wickets, while Lungi Ngidi and Nandre Burger chipped in with one each.

With this victory, South Africa have leveled the series 1-1, setting up a decisive third ODI.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Yeah I get that but if somehow Conrad can make that switch happen , I don't see even the Aussies stopping them .

Will go down as the one of the best ODI batting lineups ever.
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With Klaasen for sure. I mean just the thought of a bowling attack having to bowl to that batting line-up on a good batting wicket...RIP 💀💀

South Africa did something similar back in 2019 when AB wanted to come back for the World Cup and Faf said no. While that was a completely different situation and Faf's decision had personal connotations behind it, fact is, South Africa missed a big player AB in that tournament big time, which was evident by their performance.

Shukri needs to swallow his pride, give Klaasen a call and ask him to come back for the World Cup. This is something bigger than the pride and ago of a couple of individuals. A World Cup win at home will be a game-changer for South Africa as a nation, and both Klaasen and Shukri will etch their name in history.
 
Panoti Tuktukraj 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

India lost when he scored T20I Hundred.

India lost when he scored ODI Hundred.

:klopp :kp
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
With Klaasen for sure. I mean just the thought of a bowling attack having to bowl to that batting line-up on a good batting wicket...RIP 💀💀

South Africa did something similar back in 2019 when AB wanted to come back for the World Cup and Faf said no. While that was a completely different situation and Faf's decision had personal connotations behind it, fact is, South Africa missed a big player AB in that tournament big time, which was evident by their performance.

Shukri needs to swallow his pride, give Klaasen a call and ask him to come back for the World Cup. This is something bigger than the pride and ago of a couple of individuals. A World Cup win at home will be a game-changer for South Africa as a nation, and both Klaasen and Shukri will etch their name in history.
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Klaasen should be there for "quota" Bavuma in ODIs
 
Hahaha...stop fooling us all. This defeat reinforces one thing it was NEVER your king but my favorite Pandu and others that ended your trophy drought...if you remember we had the same equation today at the end.
Devadwal said:
@The Bald Eagle your favourite tuktukraj first time scored a century and india lost the match. 😂😂😂😂 :klopp :kp
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CricVet said:
Klaasen should be there for "quota" Bavuma in ODIs
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Well, Klaasen retired out of his own volition, and calling Bavuma a quota pick is a bit harsh. But yes, there is no comparison between what Klaasen offers in the middle-order, and what pretty much any other batsmen in the world offers.
 
Rafale Nidhal Fan said:
if india lose today, Kohli is the culprit, he batted at almost run a ball S/R when pitch is a road a cement to bat on

another FTB stat-paddler
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Lower middle order batsman are culprit, they only scored about 100 runs in last 15 overs..
 
Batting first in these conditions, teams need to score close to 400. 350 in ODIs is the new 280 on these tracks.
Since Ind is almost guaranteed a toss loss in the 3rd ODI too -- so SA should be the favourites for the ODI series, after the red ball clean-sweep
 
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