Pakistan’s issues require local solutions, not the political views of overseas Pakistanis

[SpiritOf1903]

Pakistan needs to get it's head out the sand

 

[psyoptica]

i totally agree with you, as an ethnic Pakistani who lives abroad i have no interest in telling anyone what they should do politically. however this is a problem of the making of pakistanis in Pakistan. get rid of dual nationality and see how quickly people lose interest in Pakistani politics, but you cant do that, because the county relies on remittances to survive, as a result of how it has been run completely by pakistanis in Pakistan, not overseas pakistanis, over the the past nearly 80 years, it is a total shambles.

i dont mean to sound to harsh, but the country as a whole simply lacks the skills and competence to function in the modern world. scientific, corporate, financial, business, and political knowledge is non-existant, and anyone who has any knowledge of competency in any field leaves as soon as possible. you will get overseas pakistanis imposing their views on you because their is a massive intellectual vacuum at every level in Pakistani society.

Also its crazy to allege overseas pakistanis dont support Pakistan, if they are giving money to their families, friends, local charities, etc, they are doing something, and for little in return. so when your country relies on money overseas pakistanis send, you do not have the right to tell them not to meddle in the politics of the country, because those politicians need overseas pakistanis way more than you think you do.

This sounds like that one relative you have always coming to you for financial support but gets offended you offer them advice

 

[Bewal Express]

This part rules the roost. And is bound to make all the difference.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Words come cheap. Ya know.

You mean the $36bn they send back and keep the economy going, whilst criminals live in luxury and also see PKs as pests that need to be shot.

 

[psyoptica]

There are certainly faults in Pakistan, and the system has its share of corruption there’s no denying that. However, that doesn’t mean we should discredit any progress or development made by the government, just because of political affiliations. If you don’t want to acknowledge the advancements, that’s fine, but you can’t go around dictating opinions to people who actually live in Pakistan and appreciate the changes.

After my father passed away, I had to transfer his land to my name and my brother's. The process was completed smoothly within a couple of weeks, and we didn’t have to pay any bribes. Sure, there was some hassle with digging out old documents etc, but that’s a normal part of the process even here in the UK these sort of things don't go smoothly and a process has to be followed infact its a lot stricter in UK and take much longer with heavy fees. I think some of the folks in the UK tend to exaggerate and make it seem like Pakistan is some terrible place, when that’s not always the case.

It’s best to leave the judgment to those who actually live in Pakistan, rather than to someone living abroad who’s criticizing just for the sake of it. People on the ground have a better understanding of the situation and should be the ones forming opinions, not those distant from the reality.

Emranabbas is a guy sitting in UK advocating for overseas Pakistanis to not have an opinion on Pakistani politics saying let the Pakistanis make their own judgement while at the same time blatantly dismissing how majority of Pakistanis living in Pakistan absolutely despise the current establishment and made their judgement on election day which the likes of him don’t accept. Someone make sense of this.

 

[psyoptica]

Nah I strongly believe that helping all the citizens of the country is governments responsibility. But we are at such a low ebb for so long that it's only prodding along due to the charities (whether from outside or inside). I never said oversees Pakistanis should not be involved in politics. You are confusing my post with the OP's
However I do think that Pakistanis living abroad may not necessarily know how bad things are going for the people. But there are again some people in Pakistan who oblivious to the struggles a common man face daily.

Strongly disagree. Oversees Pakistanis know about the ground realities in Pakistan as well as the people living in Pakistan. The only difference is, they are in a better position to judge as they are not directly impacted by disability in Pakistan. A lot of overseas pakostanis have lived their whole lives in Pakistan and have immediate family connections. They may not be up to date on the day to day events but they do understand the struggles a common man faces daily thus the criticism for those in power and responsible for this

 

[psyoptica]

Also overseas

The USA and UK governments contribute the most charity to Pakistan does that mean they should have a bigger say than anyone else?

they do have a say. You don’t get funds from IMF if you go against USA

 

[psyoptica]

The general gist I'm getting from this thread is that Pakistanis in Pakistan are largely buffoons and are reliant on overseas Pakistanis for daily bread. How our fortunes would change if overseas expertise can set up google and microsoft and bmw plants into the poor cities and revolutionize it.

Just because some of the uncles and aunties ventured out of Pakistan in the yesteryears does not mean the resultant (current) Pakistanis have better talent/view compared to the ones on the ground back home. And that's where the problem (reality) is. The talent pool of the country (inside and also outside) is too dire. So, all you're left with is peanut politics.

And Pakistanis are its products inside and outside- unfortunately.

Not sure why you interpreted this but no one here is saying Pakistanis are unintelligent and rely on overseas Pakistanis for daily bread. You are making shiz up

 

[Bewal Express]

Emranabbas is a guy sitting in UK advocating for overseas Pakistanis to not have an opinion on Pakistani politics saying let the Pakistanis make their own judgement while at the same time blatantly dismissing how majority of Pakistanis living in Pakistan absolutely despise the current establishment and made their judgement on election day which the likes of him don’t accept. Someone make sense of this.

You cant make it up, Hypocrisy of the highest order. I rumbled the clown months ago.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Year 2042

*local solution*

PMLN supporters vote for Junaid Safdar as their next master.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

A question for local Pakistani’s, you can be anti-PTI/IK, that’s fine. But, why does that mean you have to vote for donkeys like the Sharifs and Bhuttos?

Maybe try someone new? Haven’t you seen what PPP and PML-N have done over the past 30 years?

 

[moghul]

People living in Pakistan have their own personal interest and connections and they ( majority of them , not all ) keep their personal interests ahead of country's short and long term interest . Overseas Pakistani ( vast majority of them ) have no strings attached and they think about Pakistan for the sake of Pakistan only .

 

[Farhan The Man]

People living in Pakistan have their own personal interest and connections and they ( majority of them , not all ) keep their personal interests ahead of country's short and long term interest . Overseas Pakistani ( vast majority of them ) have no strings attached and they think about Pakistan for the sake of Pakistan only .

Please. Stop with self-platitudes. It's undeserving.

You left pakistan. And are not coming back until deported. Truth be told no pakistani returns voluntarily. So much for love of pakistan.

That said. You can think. You can say. But unless you back it up with money, it's tacky. It's cheap. It's worthless.

The remittance sent back is simply for your family. Not for pakistan. So much for love of pakistan.

 

[psyoptica]

Please. Stop with self-platitudes. It's undeserving.

You left pakistan. And are not coming back until deported. Truth be told no pakistani returns voluntarily. So much for love of pakistan.

That said. You can think. You can say. But unless you back it up with money, it's tacky. It's cheap. It's worthless.

The remittance sent back is simply for your family. Not for pakistan. So much for love of pakistan.

You want people to send money directly to nawaz sharif and asim munir’s bank accounts instead so they can earn the right to speak on Pakistani affairs?

 

[Farhan The Man]

Hyperbole. You can't snake your way out with fanatical takes.

No representation without taxation. The same mantra of western civilizations you so gladly inhabit, pay taxes to, and live in their comfy surroundings.

Earn your right to speak by investing. OP explicitly listed out possibilities. If not, your voice is just frivolous noise. Quick to discard.

 

[psyoptica]

Hyperbole. You can't snake your way out with fanatical takes.

No representation without taxation. The same mantra of western civilizations you so gladly inhabit, pay taxes to, and live in their comfy surroundings.

Earn your right to speak by investing. OP explicitly listed out possibilities. If not, your voice is just frivolous noise. Quick to discard.

I pay business and property taxes in Pakistan. Do I have the right to speak on Pakistani affairs?

 

[psyoptica]

@Farhan The Man awaiting your answer

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I'm afraid you're way off the mark.

A successful charity carried out by non political people, is politicised by the local mafia...
Basically if you set up a charity then the political party, depending on the Provence, will take credit for it...

how disgusting is that?

I would blame it on the rotten politicians then.
Everyone holding Pakistani citizenship deserves a right to vote. But just because you're doing charity work in Pakistan from abroad, shouldn't be the sole reason to give you a voice in what's going on there.

 

[IAJ]

This must be one of the weirdest threads on PP:

Here’s the topic heading: Pakistan’s issues require local solutions, not the political views of overseas Pakistanis. Many posters here have mentioned that a clear majority of Pakistanis voted for a certain party to solve their problems.

Already, this thread should be closed. You are not listening to the majority of your own people, so why criticize overseas Pakistanis?

One poster wrote: The USA and UK governments contribute the most charity to Pakistan. Does that mean they should have a bigger say than anyone else? Lol, the USA just ensured a government elected by the people of Pakistan was thrown out. What happened there?


The 3 or 4 posters typing here do not represent the majority of people living in Pakistan. In fact, you guys represent hardly 20 percent of the people in Pakistan, so why should we listen to you just because you live in Pakistan?


The main purpose of this thread is not about letting Pakistanis decide what to do; it’s to support the Sharifs and the Zardaris.
But why do these Sharifs and Zardaris run to other countries once the going gets tough?

And why do they need to go abroad for even minor health treatments? Surely, after so many decades, they should have been able to build a few quality hospitals there?

 

[psyoptica]

This must be one of the weirdest threads on PP:

Here’s the topic heading: Pakistan’s issues require local solutions, not the political views of overseas Pakistanis. Many posters here have mentioned that a clear majority of Pakistanis voted for a certain party to solve their problems.

Already, this thread should be closed. You are not listening to the majority of your own people, so why criticize overseas Pakistanis?

One poster wrote: The USA and UK governments contribute the most charity to Pakistan. Does that mean they should have a bigger say than anyone else? Lol, the USA just ensured a government elected by the people of Pakistan was thrown out. What happened there?


The 3 or 4 posters typing here do not represent the majority of people living in Pakistan. In fact, you guys represent hardly 20 percent of the people in Pakistan, so why should we listen to you just because you live in Pakistan?


The main purpose of this thread is not about letting Pakistanis decide what to do; it’s to support the Sharifs and the Zardaris.
But why do these Sharifs and Zardaris run to other countries once the going gets tough?

And why do they need to go abroad for even minor health treatments? Surely, after so many decades, they should have been able to build a few quality hospitals there?

The 2 out of those 3 posters are hardcore PTI haters and they will support anyone who's against PTI. I still remember when one particular poster used to say all kind of crap about the army and how they were bad etc while PTI was in government and as soon as the army went against them, they became the good guys. This poster was also mocking PTI for backing down and not doing more damage to military installments and later was found blaming them for causing chaos in the country.

As you can see, the intelligence level of this forum as dropped significantly due to a few posters so their words are to be taken with a pinch of salt. There's no cost to being a hypocrite and a troll

 

[psyoptica]

The 2 out of those 3 posters are hardcore PTI haters and they will support anyone who's against PTI. I still remember when one particular poster used to say all kind of crap about the army and how they were bad etc while PTI was in government and as soon as the army went against them, they became the good guys. This poster was also mocking PTI for backing down and not doing more damage to military installments and later was found blaming them for causing chaos in the country.

As you can see, the intelligence level of this forum as dropped significantly due to a few posters so their words are to be taken with a pinch of salt. There's no cost to being a hypocrite and a troll

Also notice the reply from the poster above who's so proud of his gender that he wants everyone to know. I was going to rip him to shreds on the points he was making regarding who has rights to speak on Pakistani affairs. He saw himself getting trapped and ran away with his tail between his legs

 

[emranabbas]

Emranabbas is a guy sitting in UK advocating for overseas Pakistanis to not have an opinion on Pakistani politics saying let the Pakistanis make their own judgement while at the same time blatantly dismissing how majority of Pakistanis living in Pakistan absolutely despise the current establishment and made their judgement on election day which the likes of him don’t accept. Someone make sense of this.

Psyoptica guy sitting in uk runs away when a hard question are asked but makes a come back when chips are on his side. tries to dictate people living in Pakistan who are happy with current development in Pakistan by bringing in a personal bias and Justifies illegal activities in Pakistan because the current government is corrupt and strong believes to wrongs make a right

 

[DeadlyVenom]

A question for local Pakistani’s, you can be anti-PTI/IK, that’s fine. But, why does that mean you have to vote for donkeys like the Sharifs and Bhuttos?

Maybe try someone new? Haven’t you seen what PPP and PML-N have done over the past 30 years?

I have never understood this and it is completely unexplainable. Even on PP educated posters support these parties as if their lives depend on it.

In Pakistan we have grown men calling someone like Nawaz Sharif a Sher

 

[emranabbas]

I don't have any affiliation with any party, all I have ever said is that of all Pakistanis I have come across living in England, Imran Khan is the one who seems to have some character and basic honesty.

I already praised the idea of Punjab Suthra in my first post in that thread, only thing I asked was where the funding was coming from, and could it be rolled out across the country. You couldn't answer that.

I don't know why you think that three people posting on a cricket forum represents Pakistani opinion. It is bizarre.

No, it’s not based on just three people on this forum.

This has happened in my city too, and there are countless videos on social media showing a major crackdown on illegal encroachments.

Yes, some shopkeepers are upset because they’re being forced to return land they illegally took by extending their shops onto pavements.

Now, the government has restored the pavements, giving people proper walkways instead of forcing them onto the roads. The majority of the public is happy with this development.

So, why should the people of Punjab oppose this just because it’s done by a government that overseas Pakistanis don’t support?

As for funding, I assume it’s from the government, and it’s being rolled out in Punjab because the idea came from the Punjab CM. The KPK CM is entitled to similar initiatives but is too busy organising protests to free Imran Khan instead of focusing on KPK’s development.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Just reading through the OP again and I still don't understand

No, it’s not based on just three people on this forum.

This has happened in my city too, and there are countless videos on social media showing a major crackdown on illegal encroachments.

Yes, some shopkeepers are upset because they’re being forced to return land they illegally took by extending their shops onto pavements.

Now, the government has restored the pavements, giving people proper walkways instead of forcing them onto the roads. The majority of the public is happy with this development.

So, why should the people of Punjab oppose this just because it’s done by a government that overseas Pakistanis don’t support?

As for funding, I assume it’s from the government, and it’s being rolled out in Punjab because the idea came from the Punjab CM. The KPK CM is entitled to similar initiatives but is too busy organising protests to free Imran Khan instead of focusing on KPK’s development.

I support cleaning up of pavements and walkways, I don't know how many times I need to repeat this. But this thread is about posters outside of Pakistan keeping silent and letting locals deal with their own issues. So I think that includes you. Instead of telling us what benefits the clean up brings, or how it is funded, both you and Maryam are using it to bash PTI. In that case obviously people will suspect ulterior motives, and if you are going to pipe up, why shouldn't others based outside of Pakistan?

 

[emranabbas]

Just reading through the OP again and I still don't understand



I support cleaning up of pavements and walkways, I don't know how many times I need to repeat this. But this thread is about posters outside of Pakistan keeping silent and letting locals deal with their own issues. So I think that includes you. Instead of telling us what benefits the clean up brings, or how it is funded, both you and Maryam are using it to bash PTI. In that case obviously people will suspect ulterior motives, and if you are going to pipe up, why shouldn't others based outside of Pakistan?

How is this considered bashing Imran Khan? It’s not my fault he didn’t do any work in my city for me to praise. He might have done good work in KPK, but I’ve never been there, nor do I plan to go, so it doesn’t affect me at all.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

How is this considered bashing Imran Khan? It’s not my fault he didn’t do any work in my city for me to praise. He might have done good work in KPK, but I’ve never been there, nor do I plan to go, so it doesn’t affect me at all.

Lol...what a great logic.

 

[emranabbas]

Lol...what a great logic.

What do you mean by "what a logic"?

So, according to you, if I praise the work of one party, it automatically means I hate the other party?

Please answer don't make a runner like how you guys do

 

[The Bald Eagle]

What do you mean by "what a logic"?

So, according to you, if I praise the work of one party, it automatically means I hate the other party?

Please answer don't make a runner like how you guys do

You going by your logic, All people in Lahore should love Shehbaz because he was the pioneer of Metro Bus and the people in rest of the Punjab districts should despise him because they don't have a start of the art hospital and have to rush their loved ones to provincial capital in case of a big emergency....isn't this what you suggested above. "He didn't do any work for my city" ?

 

[emranabbas]

You going by your logic, All people in Lahore should love Shehbaz because he was the pioneer of Metro Bus and the people in rest of the Punjab districts should despise him because they don't have a start of the art hospital and have to rush their loved ones to provincial capital in case of a big emergency....isn't this what you suggested above. "He didn't do any work for my city" ?

I dont know why your coming up with this when that's has nothing to do with my post

why do I have to affiliate with a political party to praise Pakistan?

You pti people are comming out too be a RSS version of Pakistan the andh bakhts

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I dont know why your coming up with this when that's has nothing to do with my post

why do I have to affiliate with a political party to praise Pakistan?

You pti people are comming out too be a RSS version of Pakistan the andh bakhts

Stop beating around the bush, answer the question in hand. Don't ramble about things I haven't asked

Yep everyone could see from your post who is andhbakht

 

[emranabbas]

Stop beating around the bush, answer the question in hand. Don't ramble about things I haven't asked

You answer my questions instead of dodging them if you want an answer from me

So, according to you, if I praise the work of one party, it automatically means I hate the other party?

why do I have to affiliate with a political party to praise Pakistan?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

You answer my questions instead of dodging them if you want an answer from me

So, according to you, if I praise the work of one party, it automatically means I hate the other party?

why do I have to affiliate with a political party to praise Pakistan?

Have I asked you this question ever, if so then quote that post. I don't mind whether you love NS, AZ or BBZ.

I just wondered at your great logic and when you asked to respond I did. Now it's your turn

 

[emranabbas]

Have I asked you this question ever, if so then quote that post. I don't mind whether you love NS, AZ or BBZ.

I just wondered at your great logic and when you asked to respond I did. Now it's your turn

Read the post where you replied "what a logic"

Me praising development done by marium as a neutral who isnt affiliated to any party = to bashing imran khan

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Read the post where you replied "what a logic"

Me praising development done by marium as a neutral who isnt affiliated to any party = to bashing imran khan

Ok fine, you are entitled to it. No issues with that.

 

[emranabbas]

Ok fine, you are entitled to it. No issues with that.

The point still stands I am someone who does not live in Pakistan and is not affiliated with any political party. Why is it wrong for me to praise something positive done in Pakistan just because certain people dislike that party?

In the past, I have praised development in India does that make me a Modi supporter?

I also praised Imran Khan when he built the corridor in Punjab for the Sikhs.

So, which party am I with PML-N, BJP, or PTI?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I fail to understand why this party is so determined to cause harm to Pakistan when it is not in power. Whether it's through withholding remittances, which are vital to the economy and the well-being of countless families, or resorting to physically damaging government buildings, they seem intent on creating more chaos.
Additionally, organising protests that not only disrupt daily life but also damage the country’s reputation on the international stage only worsens the situation.

Rather than working towards constructive solutions or supporting the nation's progress, their actions seem aimed at undermining the very fabric of Pakistan, regardless of the long-term consequences for its people and stability.

This is what is called PTI bashing.

 

[Minnowbasher]

What goes on in Pakistan affects overseas Pakistanis.
Not all overseas Pakistanis are rich and well off infact most are really struggling and desparate to go back if they could.
Problem is there aren't any jobs in Pakistan and you can't feed your family if your unemployed or don't have a stable job.
I agree who cares PPP, PMLN, PTI just create jobs and make living easier for the average Pakistani.
But you can't blame overseas Pakistanis for getting involved. No one wants to live in a foreign country, deal with racism and anti-immigrant mentality and also struggle to make ends meet.
If Pakistan was financially secure there would be no overseas Pakistanis.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Also notice the reply from the poster above who's so proud of his gender that he wants everyone to know. I was going to rip him to shreds on the points he was making regarding who has rights to speak on Pakistani affairs. He saw himself getting trapped and ran away with his tail between his legs

Easy there cowboy. Some of us have actual lives to run. Unlike you we don't have privilege to be on the dole.

Nevertheless, your voice has substance if you disburse similar taxation for social upkeep as your country of passport; else a resounding nope.

Remittance is for your own family. Not pakistan. Hence disregarded.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Easy there cowboy. Some of us have actual lives to run. Unlike you we don't have privilege to be on the dole.

Nevertheless, your voice has substance if you disburse similar taxation for social upkeep as your country of passport; else a resounding nope.

Remittance is for your own family. Not pakistan. Hence disregarded.

Do you actually live in Pakistan as per insinuation of emranabbas? Your reference to the dole suggests a UK abode.

 

[HalBass9]

Please. Stop with self-platitudes. It's undeserving.

You left pakistan. And are not coming back until deported. Truth be told no pakistani returns voluntarily. So much for love of pakistan.

That said. You can think. You can say. But unless you back it up with money, it's tacky. It's cheap. It's worthless.

The remittance sent back is simply for your family. Not for pakistan. So much for love of pakistan.

Most if not all of the remittances sent to family members in Pakistan are spent within the country. Which, shocker, helps the economy. And if it’s in dollars, that just does wonders for the government. But hey, let’s not get bogged down with the whole economics 101 thing, shall we?

As for why would Pakistanis return? Well, I mean, when most, if not all, would leave in a heartbeat if given the chance, it's a bit of a mystery, right?

But of course, all of this is moot, because, in the end, every comment, every argument completely irrelevant when 80% of the population happily participated in democracy and elected PTI.

 

[psyoptica]

Easy there cowboy. Some of us have actual lives to run. Unlike you we don't have privilege to be on the dole.

Nevertheless, your voice has substance if you disburse similar taxation for social upkeep as your country of passport; else a resounding nope.

Remittance is for your own family. Not pakistan. Hence disregarded.

People don't pay taxes for the social up keep of their country. If it was an option, not even 1% of the people would pay taxes. The taxes are squeezed out of the poor, the rich elite are not impacted by it. Pakistan is a country that was made for the elite to squeeze wealth out of poor working class people and perpetually stay rich. The point you are making about paying taxes for the social welfare is absolutely nonsense and has no correlation to people voicing their opinion on internal affairs of the country.
Your anger should be aimed towards the rich politicians and generals who have foreign bank accounts, foreign nationalities, families settled abroad yet they are at the helm of country's political affairs and prioratize their personal wealth and power over the country's welfare, creating a cycle of inequality and corruption.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Do you actually live in Pakistan as per insinuation of emranabbas? Your reference to the dole suggests a UK abode.

Nope he doesn't

 

[psyoptica]

Overseas Pakistanis telling other overseas Pakistanis their political views are not welcome while projecting their own political views You can't make this up

 

[Farhan The Man]

Do you actually live in Pakistan as per insinuation of emranabbas? Your reference to the dole suggests a UK abode.

I also alluded to cowboy behavior. Doesn't make me amreekan though.

Still a pakistani citizen. Albeit in and out frequently.

Problem is fixed from within. Not outside in. C'mon over to pind.

 

[Farhan The Man]

And why do they need to go abroad for even minor health treatments? Surely, after so many decades, they should have been able to build a few quality hospitals there?

Kharian has mansions, but no hospitals. Many mosques in fact.

Your remittances didn't help pakistani society either.

 

[Farhan The Man]

People don't pay taxes for the social up keep of their country.

How do you reckon your dole is financed?

Surely you must not be this ignorant.

Hoping your rant is simply rhetorical.

 

[psyoptica]

How do you reckon your dole is financed?

Surely you must not be this ignorant.

Hoping your rant is simply rhetorical.

Did you even read the rest of my post? My post was in response to you saying " your voice has substance if you disburse similar taxation for social upkeep as your country of passport; else a resounding nope." which is implying people have an option to choose where their taxes are spent. I asked you a question I pay taxes in Pakistan does that qualify me to voice an opinion? Stop trying to fool everybody

 

[emranabbas]

This is what is called PTI bashing.

I cannot support Imran Khan's policy of urging overseas Pakistanis to boycott remittances, as it directly harms the country.

and I cannot stand by those who destroy infrastructure, vandalise buildings, and create chaos in the streets that's not progressing

How can that even be compared to initiatives like Suthra Punjab, where every street is being cleaned, illegal encroachments are being tackled, and modern waste collection services like the door-to-door rubbish collection we have here in the UK are being introduced?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Stay on topic and don't make personal remarks..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Overseas Pakistanis telling other overseas Pakistanis their political views are not welcome while projecting their own political views You can't make this up

Also telling overseas Pakistanis "we don't want your opinions, but keep sending the money thanks!"

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I cannot support Imran Khan's policy of urging overseas Pakistanis to boycott remittances, as it directly harms the country.

and I cannot stand by those who destroy infrastructure, vandalise buildings, and create chaos in the streets that's not progressing

How can that even be compared to initiatives like Suthra Punjab, where every street is being cleaned, illegal encroachments are being tackled, and modern waste collection services like the door-to-door rubbish collection we have here in the UK are being introduced?

See above reply.

 

[emranabbas]

See above reply.

Clutching the straws now

 

[emranabbas]

@Cpt. Rishwat just a question while your at it

Are politicians above the country like what comes first for you Pakistan or politicians?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

@Cpt. Rishwat just a question while your at it

Are politicians above the country like what comes first for you Pakistan or politicians?

No.

 

[emranabbas]

No.

No what?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No what?

No politicians aren't above the country. That's what you asked right?

 

[emranabbas]

No politicians aren't above the country. That's what you asked right?

I hope you continue to stand by that and don’t support policies that harm Pakistan for the personal gain of any politician.

 

[psyoptica]

I hope you continue to stand by that and don’t support policies that harm Pakistan for the personal gain of any politician.

Do you support the corruption of maryam, nawaz, asim and zardari? They are some of the most corrupt individuals in the entire history of Pakistan and I hope you can one day see they are not good for Pakistan

 

[emranabbas]

Do you support the corruption of maryam, nawaz, asim and zardari? They are some of the most corrupt individuals in the entire history of Pakistan and I hope you can see one day they are not good for Pakistan

Last time you started a discussion with me, you ran away halfway through. When it was pointed out, you said you’d answer all questions when you had time it’s been four days now. Close that discussion before starting a new one untill then your on ignore.

And your reply don't make sense the discussion me and Cpt. Rishwat has nothing to do with what your pointing out

 

[FearlessRoar]

Do you support the corruption of maryam, nawaz, asim and zardari? They are some of the most corrupt individuals in the entire history of Pakistan and I hope you can one day see they are not good for Pakistan

I agree that PML-N and PPP are corrupt but how can I say that PTI is not corrupt? We Pakistanis know at what levels they have corruption too.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I agree that PML-N and PPP are corrupt but how can I say that PTI is not corrupt? We Pakistanis know at what levels they have corruption too.

The leaders of the other parties are corrupt, the guy sitting in jail right now isn’t.

It’s almost impossible to have a party with no corrupt individuals. PTI will have corruption within their party but the difference between them and the other 2 is that their corruption starts from the top, you can’t get rid of corruption if you yourself as a leader are corrupt.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

@FearlessRoar after creating this thread.

 

[FearlessRoar]

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Haha bro you have got me figured out.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I also alluded to cowboy behavior. Doesn't make me amreekan though.

Still a pakistani citizen. Albeit in and out frequently.

Problem is fixed from within. Not outside in. C'mon over to pind.

Likewise others come and visit Pakistan too, so why are you as a person living abroad is more entitled to comment on Pakistan but not others????

 

[The Bald Eagle]

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And then we all enjoy the conversations between Jialas of different parties.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Junaid Akbar resigned from his position as Chairman of the Standing Committee on Overseas Pakistani Affairs following his election as Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee. Who should take up this post next?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Last time you started a discussion with me, you ran away halfway through. When it was pointed out, you said you’d answer all questions when you had time it’s been four days now. Close that discussion before starting a new one untill then your on ignore.

And your reply don't make sense the discussion me and Cpt. Rishwat has nothing to do with what your pointing out

Precisely. The Sharif clan have a reputation for corruption in the same way Zardari earned a nickname Mr 10 Percent for a similar reason. I have no interest in debating over who is corrupt and who is not. Whichever politician falls in line with the shadow elite running the country has to take responsibility. If you are jailing opponents and hunting down their supporters then that says everything about your values.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Do you support the corruption of maryam, nawaz, asim and zardari? They are some of the most corrupt individuals in the entire history of Pakistan and I hope you can one day see they are not good for Pakistan

I meant to quote this for the above reply, seem to have quoted the emranabbas instead.

 

[HalBass9]

Corruption will persist even if Pakistan experiences 40 consecutive years of democracy. However, in a strong democratic system where laws are upheld, holding corrupt politicians accountable and removing them becomes significantly easier compared to the current system in Pakistan.

Anyone who genuinely opposes corruption and wants a better future for Pakistan and its people should be vocal in their support for PTI, not necessarily because they believe it is the best party, but because, at this moment, it is the only one actively fighting for Pakistan’s democratic rights. It is the continuous evolution of democracy that will correct mistakes and steer the country toward prosperity and equality for all.

This is why short term superficial developments, like glittering malls or well-paved roads, are ultimately irrelevant. They serve as optics and temporary distractions rather than being part of a long-term state policy designed to ensure sustainable progress.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Pakistan doesnt have the institutions and system to train the work force in most fields, thats why overseas Pakistanis are also very important as we need each ounce of "wisdom" from every competent Pakistani origin person.
I find the analysis of many overseas Pakistanis, like yourself, as well Deadly Venom and Captain Rishwat, to be much more nuanced and closer to the ground reality than that of many elite-class Pakistanis, who are often more detached from ground.Obviously, there are ignorant ones as well but this is part of every online space, nothing to do with place of posting, really.

How can you say this? On what basis do you think overseas Pakistanis have more wisdom than those living in Pakistan? Wisdom isn’t about where a person lives—it’s about how they think, analyze, and use their brain. Living abroad doesn’t automatically make someone wiser, just like living in Pakistan doesn’t make someone less capable of understanding reality. It all depends on the individual, their experiences, and how they process information.

 

[FearlessRoar]

i appreciate the kind words, alas i was once full of hope for Pakistan, but weary of the last few decades that hope is virtually extinguished. i wish for the best for the people living there, as tbh there is something very unique about them, the humour, hospitality, the language, the food, etc, however, my emotional investment in the country is exhausted.

i don't want to sound to entitled, just giving my honest view as someone who still has connections with the country via extended family, and friends who are first-generation immigrants from all over Pakistan. any sustainable relationship has to offer benefits to both parties, and as it is right now, Pakistan does not offer overseas ethnic pakistanis any benefits.

given how beautiful the country's geography is, overseas pakistanis should be returning every year for adventure holidays, trekking, desert driving, etc, yet the country only recedes further into global irrelevance. just getting these people to spend a few weeks in Pakistan would help open the country to the world slowly. this is just one example of how you can reform that relationship again.

Absolutely, but to become a tourism heaven, Pakistan needs to be a more accepting country. But that doesn’t seem possible, and perhaps it never will be. But yes, overseas Pakistanis can help grow the tourism industry here, as they understand Pakistan’s culture well.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Actually all I get from this piece is that you should be embracing the overseas Pakistani's views and financial as well as charitable help.

Be thankful instead of hateful

You'd have to be pretty thick to think otherwise

Overseas Pakistanis need to seriously consider this now: just because their remittances help Pakistan’s economy doesn’t mean that Pakistanis living in Pakistan must accept their preferred political party as flawless.

 

[FearlessRoar]

After suffering for 75 years under your teams the local Pakistanis already gave the solutions back in February, in an incredibly resounding fashion. And your dictators forcibly ignored it. In addition, all your dicatotors are also overseas with dual nationalities or the time spend overseas is the same as any expat Pakistani, maybe you should give this advice to them?

And guess what, 80% of the solutions the Pakistanis gave are the same ones overseas Pakistanis want too.

GDP Growth Rate

Nawaz Sharif (2013-2017): Averaged 4-5.5%, peaked at 5.8% in 2017 (highest in a decade).

Imran Khan (2018-2022): Slowed to 1-2%, dropped to -0.94% in 2020 due to COVID-19, rebounded to 5.7% in 2021 but was unstable.

Inflation (CPI - Consumer Price Index)

Nawaz Sharif: 3-5% (low inflation due to stable policies).

Imran Khan: 10-14% (high inflation, food prices skyrocketed).

Foreign Reserves & Debt

Nawaz Sharif: Foreign reserves increased to $20 billion.

Imran Khan: Reserves fell below $10 billion, requiring multiple IMF bailouts.

Now tell me Pakistanis living in Pakistan, who would they choose? What does a common Pakistani want?

 

[Farhan The Man]

Likewise others come and visit Pakistan too, so why are you as a person living abroad is more entitled to comment on Pakistan but not others????

Invest here and then earn your right to voice an opinion.

OP already mentioned a few ways to put your money where your mouth is.

Else you are simply adding to the noise. And easily discarded.

 

[emranabbas]

Precisely. The Sharif clan have a reputation for corruption in the same way Zardari earned a nickname Mr 10 Percent for a similar reason. I have no interest in debating over who is corrupt and who is not. Whichever politician falls in line with the shadow elite running the country has to take responsibility. If you are jailing opponents and hunting down their supporters then that says everything about your values.

I don’t support their corruption, just as I don’t support Imran Khan supporters actions on 9th May. Those involved are rightly being jailed, but what does any of this have to do with illegal encroachment?

You’re suggesting that because the current government is corrupt, citizens should disregard law and order this is just childish, like throwing a tantrum. Politicians come and go any development done plmn are not going to take it when them when the next government comes in the development will still be there for the citizens of Pakistan to enjoy.

So when you don’t get your way at home, what you do? burn your own house down?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Overseas Pakistanis need to seriously consider this now: just because their remittances help Pakistan’s economy doesn’t mean that Pakistanis living in Pakistan must accept their preferred political party as flawless.

When did anyone suggest they should accept any leader as flawless? This is a straw man.

If you are happy with the establishment, and also happy with their choice of govt, then all is well. If Pakistan is a relatively well run nation on the way to prosperity, and rooting out harmful corruption, then why would you care about overseas opinion?

Are you happy with the current establishment and the direction it is going?

 

[emranabbas]

When did anyone suggest they should accept any leader as flawless? This is a straw man.

You're not, but a lot of people are pushing this idea aggressively, even forcing their opinions on others with bullying tactics just like the ones I've got on my ignore list. I appreciate you as a poster you're fair and know how to have a proper discussion without going off-topic and chatting gibberish when things get tough.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Invest here and then earn your right to voice an opinion.

OP already mentioned a few ways to put your money where your mouth is.

Else you are simply adding to the noise. And easily discarded.

Ok then what are overseas Pakistanis doing then, by providing the invaluable dollars for forex reserves balance through remittances?

 

[Farhan The Man]

Invaluable remittance. For upkeep of your own family.

Let know once you invest in pakistan with "invaluable" remittance.

We'll hear your POV then.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Tell your first, because every one in Pakistan is giving government multiple taxes. What have you done except typing as someone masquerading as Pakistani