TheNightWatchman
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Someone tell Babar to get a better translator.
He was implying something else and the translator was mouthing off generic statements.
Or maybe he can try himself
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Someone tell Babar to get a better translator.
He was implying something else and the translator was mouthing off generic statements.
Well If Pakistani players were playing IPL every year they would be much better and more accustomed to pressure matches against big players.There we go ..
Can Pak fans now stop being so bitter about the IPL?
It has delivered an ODI series win against a top 5 side after 7 years and now your highest chase in T20Is and most likely the first ever T20 series win in South Africa....
I mean...what more can a brother do?![]()
There we go ..
Can Pak fans now stop being so bitter about the IPL?
It has delivered an ODI series win against a top 5 side after 7 years and now your highest chase in T20Is and most likely the first ever T20 series win in South Africa....
I mean...what more can a brother do?![]()
There we go ..
Can Pak fans now stop being so bitter about the IPL?
It has delivered an ODI series win against a top 5 side after 7 years and now your highest chase in T20Is and most likely the first ever T20 series win in South Africa....
I mean...what more can a brother do?![]()
Gotta say this tour vs SA sure has been exciting. A lot of very close matches and we've seen some incredible batting in this tour.
It was nice to see Faheem coming up big for us. He has generally been very mediocre with the bat in LOI but came through big this time. It's probably better than any innings Asif Ali ever played for us.
Good to see Rizwan last until the end for us, however Babar/Rizwan should not be the opening pair. Either drop Babar drop to 3 or have Rizwan bat at 4.
Well If Pakistani players were playing IPL every year they would be much better and more accustomed to pressure matches against big players.
Someone tell Babar to get a better translator.
He was implying something else and the translator was mouthing off generic statements.
It was more of a favour to SA as they now have can have a excuse that we didnt have a full strength team. When their full strength team is a pretty mid table team itself that got whitewashed in tests in Pakistan, lost first ODI and the one they won was pushed to the limits by Fakhar.![]()
Well one's gotta be patriotic.....
But if you seriously think that Rabada and Nortje would have bowled as worse as Magala , Lizard and QDK, Miller etc would not have added more impetus than Lubbe or Van Biljon, then you have my condolences..![]()
Well didnt they play in tests in Pak and first and 2nd ODI. No one is saying that they are not better quality than the ones played but, cricket doesnt work this way buddy where you say “oh if that would have been playing than that would have happened”.
Pak lost last ODI series in SA 3-2, beaten them in CT17 as well as WC19 just whitewashed them in tests in Pak. So its not like thier Bradmans and Akrams were beating Pak left right and centre. They are a mid tier team and whatever narrative you want to form here isnt really turning out to be as intended.![]()
Well didnt they play in tests in Pak and first and 2nd ODI. No one is saying that they are not better quality than the ones played but, cricket doesnt work this way buddy where you say “oh if that would have been playing than that would have happened”.
Pak lost last ODI series in SA 3-2, beaten them in CT17 as well as WC19 just whitewashed them in tests in Pak. So its not like thier Bradmans and Akrams were beating Pak left right and centre. They are a mid tier team and whatever narrative you want to form here isnt really turning out to be as intended.![]()
Well one's gotta be patriotic.....
But if you seriously think that Rabada and Nortje would have bowled as worse as Magala , Lizard and QDK, Miller etc would not have added more impetus than Lubbe or Van Biljon, then you have my condolences..![]()
Well didnt they play in tests in Pak and first and 2nd ODI. No one is saying that they are not better quality than the ones played but, cricket doesnt work this way buddy where you say “oh if that would have been playing than that would have happened”.
Pak lost last ODI series in SA 3-2, beaten them in CT17 as well as WC19 just whitewashed them in tests in Pak. So its not like thier Bradmans and Akrams were beating Pak left right and centre. They are a mid tier team and whatever narrative you want to form here isnt really turning out to be as intended.![]()
Are we still reluctant to accept Rizwan as opening bat in T20?
Don't know why you're saying all this. My point is clear and simple. And I'm surprised I've to spell it out to you as you are one of the few sensible posters here....
Are QDK, Faf, Miller, Rabada and Nortje better than their counterparts in this game? A resounding yes.
And secondly, winning a series against South Africa in Asia and beating them in one off ICC games is a completely different ball game to beating them in a series in SAF. They bashed a full strength Australia 3-0 last year and that Australian team , as you would know is a level above Pakistan in pretty much every department. So, it'd be extremely delusional to think that Pakistan would start as favourites against their full strength team even in SAF just because they won a home test series against them. That doesn't even make any cricketing sense (with all due respect)...
Damn! This was seriously brutal. TBF Pk has done well v RSA in global events and recently in tests. So any specylative alternative outcome is just hating.
Yes they are better players but, its completely wrong to assume they would have won with them as well. You posted that IPL did a favour to which I replied, the favour could have been to SA as they could have lost the series with their main players as well and now they have an excuse.
You can read the prediction thread where I said SA at home will be favourites. However, SA’s mediocrity now a days (Not talking about couple of years ago) was for everyone to see in the first ODI where Pak was absolutely smashing them until Pak did a Pak and it went closer than it should have been. Even the 2nd ODI went much further then it should have gotten and Fakhar absolutely smashed them around.
Do you honestly believe it would have been impossible to beat the full strength SA in third ODI as well? One will have to be biased to believe that as Pak could have easily won the third ODI as well. Even the last ODi series when supposedly SA was even stronger the bottomline was pretty close with Pak losing 3-2.
If we are talking about SA could have “potentially” competed better than yes I agree but, if you or anybody says that result would have been surely different than that person needs to watch cricket from an unbiased lenses as even the full strength SA is a mid tier team currently.
Nowhere did I say that South Africa would "surely" win at full strength..
I know they're a mid tier team currently but I also know that in home conditions, they're better than Pakistan and would start as favourites to win in any format even if they're close to being full strength. If you disagree with that, then let's just both agree to disagree.
By the way, that "IPL did a favour" comment didn't really deserve this serious a discussion so let us just drop it here....
Why isn't Sharjeel playing?
Good win today, however, I think that now that Rizwan is a multidimensional batsman he can bat anywhere and should bat at 3 with Babar and Fakhar to open the innings, Babar and Rizwan at the beginning seems to be problematic, and as Babar brings his best game in the powerplay, he should be the one opening with Fakhat and Rizwan at 3 with Haider at 4 and Hafeez at 5 as a finisher alongside the all rounders. I think a little tweak in the playing XI and we should be able to humiliate this B grade SA team in their own conditions
Don't know why you're saying all this. My point is clear and simple. And I'm surprised I've to spell it out to you as you are one of the few sensible posters here....
Are QDK, Faf, Miller, Rabada and Nortje better than their counterparts in this game? A resounding yes.
And secondly, winning a series against South Africa in Asia and beating them in one off ICC games is a completely different ball game to beating them in a series in SAF. They bashed a full strength Australia 3-0 last year and that Australian team , as you would know is a level above Pakistan in pretty much every department. So, it'd be extremely delusional to think that Pakistan would start as favourites against their full strength team even in SAF just because they won a home test series against them. That doesn't even make any cricketing sense (with all due respect)...
I would like to see Asif Ali and khushdil Shah in the rotation. Neither should be batting at the back end where the pressure is high and neither has proven to be great in that role (limited chances). I would do this team
Rizwan
Asif Ali / khushdil
Babar
Fakhar
Sharjeel
Haider Ali
Hafeez (5th bowler)
Hassan
Hasnain / Faheem / Nawaz / Imad
Shaheen
Haris Rauf / Usman qadir / Mohammed Amir
Horses for courses policy. If it's a bowling pitch then more allrounders and less specialist bowlers. If it's a spinning wicket then more spinners. Couple other players I would carry as passengers are amad butt, Azam Khan, and aamer Yamin since they are prototypical t20 hitters.
The goal is twofold:
1) fill the team up with prototypical t20 players.
2) build the bench strength for the ODI team. Winning is secondary. Planning for the world cups should more important.
I would like to see Asif Ali and khushdil Shah in the rotation. Neither should be batting at the back end where the pressure is high and neither has proven to be great in that role (limited chances). I would do this team
Rizwan
Asif Ali / khushdil
Babar
Fakhar
Sharjeel
Haider Ali
Hafeez (5th bowler)
Hassan
Hasnain / Faheem / Nawaz / Imad
Shaheen
Haris Rauf / Usman qadir / Mohammed Amir
Horses for courses policy. If it's a bowling pitch then more allrounders and less specialist bowlers. If it's a spinning wicket then more spinners. Couple other players I would carry as passengers are amad butt, Azam Khan, and aamer Yamin since they are prototypical t20 hitters.
The goal is twofold:
1) fill the team up with prototypical t20 players.
2) build the bench strength for the ODI team. Winning is secondary. Planning for the world cups should more important.