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Pakistan [189/6] beat South Africa [188/6] by 4 wickets in 1st T20I

There we go ..

Can Pak fans now stop being so bitter about the IPL? :rabada2

It has delivered an ODI series win against a top 5 side after 7 years and now your highest chase in T20Is and most likely the first ever T20 series win in South Africa....

I mean...what more can a brother do? :srini
Well If Pakistani players were playing IPL every year they would be much better and more accustomed to pressure matches against big players.
 
Not a very convincing win in the end. But positives to take from this and alot to learn. South Africa was very shoddy last 3 overs.
 
There we go ..

Can Pak fans now stop being so bitter about the IPL? :rabada2

It has delivered an ODI series win against a top 5 side after 7 years and now your highest chase in T20Is and most likely the first ever T20 series win in South Africa....

I mean...what more can a brother do? :srini

Nice way of doing catharsis
 
Win is a win...I'll take it..

please haters just congratulate us and move along ... There will be plenty of other days to troll so don't panic.
 
There we go ..

Can Pak fans now stop being so bitter about the IPL? :rabada2

It has delivered an ODI series win against a top 5 side after 7 years and now your highest chase in T20Is and most likely the first ever T20 series win in South Africa....

I mean...what more can a brother do? :srini

It was more of a favour to SA as they now have can have a excuse that we didnt have a full strength team. When their full strength team is a pretty mid table team itself that got whitewashed in tests in Pakistan, lost first ODI and the one they won was pushed to the limits by Fakhar. :smith
 
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Please someone remove the translator guy. He just keeps repeating same words for every response. It's better Ramiz does the interviews. At least he will translate better.
 
So Pakistan makes their highest chase and its somehow embarrassing ?! Some people really need mental help.
 
Gotta say this tour vs SA sure has been exciting. A lot of very close matches and we've seen some incredible batting in this tour.

It was nice to see Faheem coming up big for us. He has generally been very mediocre with the bat in LOI but came through big this time. It's probably better than any innings Asif Ali ever played for us.

Good to see Rizwan last until the end for us, however Babar/Rizwan should not be the opening pair. Either drop Babar drop to 3 or have Rizwan bat at 4.

Are we still reluctant to accept Rizwan as opening bat in T20?
 
Pakistan bowled poorly at the start.The ball travels fast through the air so the fast balls don't need to be hit hard.Edges were going for sixes when South Africa were batting.The bowlers should read the conditions and bowl accordingly.Fakhar gave his wicket away.There is no need to hit a six every ball.
 
It was more of a favour to SA as they now have can have a excuse that we didnt have a full strength team. When their full strength team is a pretty mid table team itself that got whitewashed in tests in Pakistan, lost first ODI and the one they won was pushed to the limits by Fakhar. :smith


Well one's gotta be patriotic.....

But if you seriously think that Rabada and Nortje would have bowled as worse as Magala , Lizard and QDK, Miller etc would not have added more impetus than Lubbe or Van Biljon, then you have my condolences.. :smith
 
Well one's gotta be patriotic.....

But if you seriously think that Rabada and Nortje would have bowled as worse as Magala , Lizard and QDK, Miller etc would not have added more impetus than Lubbe or Van Biljon, then you have my condolences.. :smith

Well didnt they play in tests in Pak and first and 2nd ODI. No one is saying that they are not better quality than the ones played but, cricket doesnt work this way buddy where you say “oh if that would have been playing than that would have happened”.

Pak lost last ODI series in SA 3-2, beaten them in CT17 as well as WC19 just whitewashed them in tests in Pak. So its not like thier Bradmans and Akrams were beating Pak left right and centre. They are a mid tier team and whatever narrative you want to form here isnt really turning out to be as intended. :)
 
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Well didnt they play in tests in Pak and first and 2nd ODI. No one is saying that they are not better quality than the ones played but, cricket doesnt work this way buddy where you say “oh if that would have been playing than that would have happened”.

Pak lost last ODI series in SA 3-2, beaten them in CT17 as well as WC19 just whitewashed them in tests in Pak. So its not like thier Bradmans and Akrams were beating Pak left right and centre. They are a mid tier team and whatever narrative you want to form here isnt really turning out to be as intended. :)

We beat them in 2015 World Cup too when ABD was arguably the batsmen of the series.
 
Well didnt they play in tests in Pak and first and 2nd ODI. No one is saying that they are not better quality than the ones played but, cricket doesnt work this way buddy where you say “oh if that would have been playing than that would have happened”.

Pak lost last ODI series in SA 3-2, beaten them in CT17 as well as WC19 just whitewashed them in tests in Pak. So its not like thier Bradmans and Akrams were beating Pak left right and centre. They are a mid tier team and whatever narrative you want to form here isnt really turning out to be as intended. :)

Damn! This was seriously brutal. TBF Pk has done well v RSA in global events and recently in tests. So any specylative alternative outcome is just hating.
 
JOHANNESBURG: Mohammad Rizwan continued his excellent form against the Proteas by recording yet another half-century as Pakistan took a 1-0 lead in their four-match KFC T20 International Series with a four-wicket win in Johannesburg on Saturday.

The right-hander crafted an unbeaten 74 off 50 balls (9 fours, 2 sixes) to help the tourists chase down a testing 189-run target with one delivery to spare.

Stand-in captain Heinrich Klaasen and Aiden Markram had earlier struck half-centuries in a strong batting display by South Africa – the former striking an aggressive 50 off 28 balls (2 fours, 4 sixes) and the latter a slightly slower 51 off 32 balls (8 fours, 1 six).

Beuran Hendricks then grabbed three for 32 and Tabraiz Shamsi two for 29 to put the home side on the front foot during the chase, but destructive late hitting by Faheem Ashraf (30 off 14 balls) coupled by some sloppy fielding helped the visitors get over the line.

They now have the advantage in the series ahead of match two on Monday.

The Asian side, who also won the ODIs 2-1, again played smart cricket to get over the line, with Rizwan at the forefront. He now has a century, two half-centuries and a 42 from his last four innings against the Proteas.

Before that, however, it was the inexperienced home side that shone at the Imperial Wanderers Stadium.

Coach Mark Boucher handed debuts to three players – Lizaad Williams, Sisanda Magala and Wihan Lubbe – but it was Markram and Janneman Malan who initially shone.

Malan hit 24 upfront, but quickly fell followed by Lubbe (4). Markram and Klaasen then added 62 for the third wicket, before Pite van Biljon (24) continued the upward trajectory for the hosts.

Andile Phehlukwayo and Magala (both 9) added some late runs to set the Pakistanis a tough target.

Rizwan and the in-form Fakhar Zaman (27) then fired upfront, before Shamsi and Hendricks pegged back the visitors with some timely strikes that left them struggling on 132 for five in the 16th over.

But Faheem provided some critical boundaries to take Pakistan close, with Rizwan then taking them over the line.
 
Well one's gotta be patriotic.....

But if you seriously think that Rabada and Nortje would have bowled as worse as Magala , Lizard and QDK, Miller etc would not have added more impetus than Lubbe or Van Biljon, then you have my condolences.. :smith

What if de cock replace markram and bavuma replaced klassen.
 
Well didnt they play in tests in Pak and first and 2nd ODI. No one is saying that they are not better quality than the ones played but, cricket doesnt work this way buddy where you say “oh if that would have been playing than that would have happened”.

Pak lost last ODI series in SA 3-2, beaten them in CT17 as well as WC19 just whitewashed them in tests in Pak. So its not like thier Bradmans and Akrams were beating Pak left right and centre. They are a mid tier team and whatever narrative you want to form here isnt really turning out to be as intended. :)


Don't know why you're saying all this. My point is clear and simple. And I'm surprised I've to spell it out to you as you are one of the few sensible posters here....

Are QDK, Faf, Miller, Rabada and Nortje better than their counterparts in this game? A resounding yes.

And secondly, winning a series against South Africa in Asia and beating them in one off ICC games is a completely different ball game to beating them in a series in SAF. They bashed a full strength Australia 3-0 last year and that Australian team , as you would know is a level above Pakistan in pretty much every department. So, it'd be extremely delusional to think that Pakistan would start as favourites against their full strength team even in SAF just because they won a home test series against them. That doesn't even make any cricketing sense (with all due respect)...
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Babar Azam "Mohammad Rizwan deserves a lot of credit for the innings that he played today and ensuring that he was there to finish things for us" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SAvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1380922055676325891?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Are we still reluctant to accept Rizwan as opening bat in T20?

Well, I did state that if Babar is opening then no, Rizwan shouldn't open with him.

If Babar is batting at 3, then sure let Rizwan bat at 3 but keep in mind, Babar has been a ridiculous opener and superb at that spot. Could also let Sharjeel/Fakhar open and tell them to go berserk without worrying about the wickets if Babar & Rizwan are coming at 3/4. Hafeez and Haider can slog it at the 5/6 position to finish it.

I do think Rizwan seems to score more when the field is spread so that's why I am not in love with him opening but again, he can play a long innings and increase his SR as the innings progress.

Whatever they decide, the solution shouldn't be Babar & Rizwan both opening.
 
Don't know why you're saying all this. My point is clear and simple. And I'm surprised I've to spell it out to you as you are one of the few sensible posters here....

Are QDK, Faf, Miller, Rabada and Nortje better than their counterparts in this game? A resounding yes.

And secondly, winning a series against South Africa in Asia and beating them in one off ICC games is a completely different ball game to beating them in a series in SAF. They bashed a full strength Australia 3-0 last year and that Australian team , as you would know is a level above Pakistan in pretty much every department. So, it'd be extremely delusional to think that Pakistan would start as favourites against their full strength team even in SAF just because they won a home test series against them. That doesn't even make any cricketing sense (with all due respect)...

Yes they are better players but, its completely wrong to assume they would have won with them as well. You posted that IPL did a favour to which I replied, the favour could have been to SA as they could have lost the series with their main players as well and now they have an excuse.

You can read the prediction thread where I said SA at home will be favourites. However, SA’s mediocrity now a days (Not talking about couple of years ago) was for everyone to see in the first ODI where Pak was absolutely smashing them until Pak did a Pak and it went closer than it should have been. Even the 2nd ODI went much further then it should have gotten and Fakhar absolutely smashed them around.

Do you honestly believe it would have been impossible to beat the full strength SA in third ODI as well? One will have to be biased to believe that as Pak could have easily won the third ODI as well. Even the last ODi series when supposedly SA was even stronger the bottomline was pretty close with Pak losing 3-2.

If we are talking about SA could have “potentially” competed better than yes I agree but, if you or anybody says that result would have been surely different than that person needs to watch cricket from an unbiased lenses as even the full strength SA is a mid tier team currently.
 
Pakistan deserved to lose the game given how pathetic our middle overs bowling was, and how poorly our batting played.

Credit to Rizwan, he's certainly showing that he's the man for the job when it comes to opening.

Babar as an opener or Babar at 3 is the biggest question. Personally, I'd try him at 3 and look to boost Fakhar to open.

It's quite clear that Nawaz isn't a batsman, he's not reliable at all. Faheem can be passed off as an all-rounder, but Nawaz is a bowler regardless of the odd 20 he hits once in a while. If we want to play Nawaz, we can't play Qadir with him, it weakens the batting too much.

I'd go with this team for the next T20 -

Fakhar Zaman
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
Babar Azam (c)
Mohammad Hafeez
Haider Ali
Danish Aziz
Faheem Ashraf
Mohammad Nawaz
Hasan Ali
Haris Rauf
Shaheen Shah Afridi

Danish's stats in T20s are commendable, so he can be tried as a batting all-rounder. I think Nawaz should be tried as a sole spinner to see how he does. Qadir demonstrated no control, so it wouldn't be a bad idea to go with Nawaz. He has put in a performance on a difficult track, so I'd try him as the frontline spinner in the next game.
 
SA's fielding was pretty ordinary today and their tactics were all over the place.
 
Damn! This was seriously brutal. TBF Pk has done well v RSA in global events and recently in tests. So any specylative alternative outcome is just hating.

Pretty much. Some people are hyping the missing players like they belong to the 80s WI era or something.
 
Yes they are better players but, its completely wrong to assume they would have won with them as well. You posted that IPL did a favour to which I replied, the favour could have been to SA as they could have lost the series with their main players as well and now they have an excuse.

You can read the prediction thread where I said SA at home will be favourites. However, SA’s mediocrity now a days (Not talking about couple of years ago) was for everyone to see in the first ODI where Pak was absolutely smashing them until Pak did a Pak and it went closer than it should have been. Even the 2nd ODI went much further then it should have gotten and Fakhar absolutely smashed them around.

Do you honestly believe it would have been impossible to beat the full strength SA in third ODI as well? One will have to be biased to believe that as Pak could have easily won the third ODI as well. Even the last ODi series when supposedly SA was even stronger the bottomline was pretty close with Pak losing 3-2.

If we are talking about SA could have “potentially” competed better than yes I agree but, if you or anybody says that result would have been surely different than that person needs to watch cricket from an unbiased lenses as even the full strength SA is a mid tier team currently.


Nowhere did I say that South Africa would "surely" win at full strength..

I know they're a mid tier team currently but I also know that in home conditions, they're better than Pakistan and would start as favourites to win in any format even if they're close to being full strength. If you disagree with that, then let's just both agree to disagree.

By the way, that "IPL did a favour" comment didn't really deserve this serious a discussion so let us just drop it here....
 
Haider+Faheem+Hassan= 53 runs @ 13.82 runs per over

In T20s you don’t always need big innings, averages are pointless if you are batting outside the top 3. Today Pakistan won the match thanks to 14 by Haider, 30 by Faheem & 9 by Hassan. Of course Rizwan anchored the chase well but it couldn't have been possible without those cameos.
 
Nowhere did I say that South Africa would "surely" win at full strength..

I know they're a mid tier team currently but I also know that in home conditions, they're better than Pakistan and would start as favourites to win in any format even if they're close to being full strength. If you disagree with that, then let's just both agree to disagree.

By the way, that "IPL did a favour" comment didn't really deserve this serious a discussion so let us just drop it here....

I agree that SA with full strength team should start as favourites at home against most oppositions and I was pleasantly surprised the way the first ODI went and even the 2nd one.

Yes it started with a light comment but It was a good discussion nevertheless.
 
Would love to see Sheergel and Fakhar open innings but it won’t be fair to Rizwan who has performed exceptionally well at the top. Pakistan is missing a slogger at the end so why not try something out of the box
Rizwan
Fakhar
Babar
Haider
Hafeez
Shergeel ( let him prove himself )
Faheem/Imad depending on pitch
Shadaab
Hassan Ali
Haris Rauf/ hassnain
Sheeen

Without any doubt this line should be able to post 200

Or switch it

Fakhar
Shergeel
Babar
Rizwan ( he can play spin, with World Cup in India )
hafeez
Haider
Faheem /Imad
......
......
 
Blessing muzrabani from Zimbabwe is a much better quality bowler than any of the south african seamers that bowled today
 
Composed Rizwan, explosive Ashraf take Pakistan through in thriller

Pakistan secured a four-wicket victory to go 1-0 up in the four-match T20I series against South Africa, with Mohammad Rizwan starring with a 50-ball 74*.



His knock, combined with a late, explosive cameo from Faheem Ashraf, helped Pakistan come good in a difficult chase after South Africa, riding on half-centuries from Aiden Markram and Heinrich Klaasen, posted 188/6 after opting to bat first.

South Africa, despite missing a host of their stars, seemed confident of coming away with a victory after seeing off the dangerous Babar Azam for a run-a-ball 14, and then claiming a host of wickets in the middle overs.

However, Rizwan was terrific from the off. His explosive start negated, to an extent, Azam’s slow start, with Pakistan having put up 41 within five overs before Azam was seen off by Beuran Hendricks. The wicket didn’t deter Pakistan, with Fakhar Zaman taking the attack to the bowlers from the outset.

Zaman and Rizwan added a quick 45 for the second wicket, and Pakistan seemed well placed as they approached the 10th over, with the scoreboard at 86/1. However, the leg-spinner Tabraiz Shamsi prompted a miscue from Zaman, and the left-hander holed out.

The wicket triggered something of a slide. Mohammad Hafeez (13), Haider Ali (14) and Mohammad Nawaz (0) were all dismissed without making much of a dent on the scoreboard, and at 132/5 in the 16th over, Pakistan still had it all to do.

However, Ashraf’s explosive cameo along with Rizwan’s composure helped Pakistan through to victory as the inexperienced South African attack wilted in the death overs. The duo added 48 in just 24 balls to take Pakistan to the brink, and Rizwan was there at the end when victory was brought up with a ball to spare.

Earlier, Markram and Janneman Malan, the South Africa openers, started the innings in contrasting fashion: Malan was on the aggressive, while Markram opted for a more watchful approach. Malan was soon dismissed, trapped leg-before for a 16-ball 24 by Nawaz. Wihan Lubbe, the debutant, was then masterfully deceived with the slower ball by Hasan Ali, and South Africa were 36/2 within five overs.

Despite that, South Africa didn’t take the foot off the gas. Markram and Heinrich Klaasen joined forces and stitched together a 62-run partnership for the third wicket in just 33 deliveries. Markram went on to score his maiden T20I half-century, but couldn’t build on that, succumbing to Nawaz with an outside edge.

South Africa didn’t slow down. Another half-century partnership followed with Klaasen and Pite van Biljon adding 61 runs for the fourth wicket, with the captain smashing his way to 50 off just 24 balls.

In the death, Klaasen became Hasan Ali’s second victim as he attempted a scoop, but miscued it to a fielder. Pakistan capitalised on the opening, keeping things tight and drying up the boundaries for South Africa.

Debutant Sisanda Magala and Andile Phehlukwayo scored 14 runs off Shaheen Afridi’s final over to help Proteas reach a total of 188/6 – it proved insufficient on the day.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2099389
 
The only positive for Pakistan is that they did not bring their A game in this high scoring match and still won.
 
Good win today, however, I think that now that Rizwan is a multidimensional batsman he can bat anywhere and should bat at 3 with Babar and Fakhar to open the innings, Babar and Rizwan at the beginning seems to be problematic, and as Babar brings his best game in the powerplay, he should be the one opening with Fakhat and Rizwan at 3 with Haider at 4 and Hafeez at 5 as a finisher alongside the all rounders. I think a little tweak in the playing XI and we should be able to humiliate this B grade SA team in their own conditions
 
Good win today, however, I think that now that Rizwan is a multidimensional batsman he can bat anywhere and should bat at 3 with Babar and Fakhar to open the innings, Babar and Rizwan at the beginning seems to be problematic, and as Babar brings his best game in the powerplay, he should be the one opening with Fakhat and Rizwan at 3 with Haider at 4 and Hafeez at 5 as a finisher alongside the all rounders. I think a little tweak in the playing XI and we should be able to humiliate this B grade SA team in their own conditions


Since Rizwan scored more than Babar doesn’t mean he is multidimensional lol.

Babar can bat at 3 and still score what Rizwan did because he is a proper batsman , but rizwan will get squared up easily against quality bowling sides.

To me rizwan is still not the best bet to open with in LOIs but these away tours can give him good exposure but they should limit it to T20s and not experiment this in ODIs where he will find way difficult to play against quality pace and bounce and against 2 new balls.
 
People keep calling this SA team a B or a C team but the batting lineup is impressive .This batting line can take in any bowling attack.At least four batsmen are good enough to play in 1st SA team.The bowling in inexperienced apart from Shamsi and Andile who have plenty of experience.It is still a good win for Pakistan considering Pakistan don’t play well in SENA.The bowlers don’t know where to bowl and batsman find hard to deal with bounce.
 
Don't know why you're saying all this. My point is clear and simple. And I'm surprised I've to spell it out to you as you are one of the few sensible posters here....

Are QDK, Faf, Miller, Rabada and Nortje better than their counterparts in this game? A resounding yes.

And secondly, winning a series against South Africa in Asia and beating them in one off ICC games is a completely different ball game to beating them in a series in SAF. They bashed a full strength Australia 3-0 last year and that Australian team , as you would know is a level above Pakistan in pretty much every department. So, it'd be extremely delusional to think that Pakistan would start as favourites against their full strength team even in SAF just because they won a home test series against them. That doesn't even make any cricketing sense (with all due respect)...

There would be an asterisk on these wins like there was Asterisk on India's win in Australia in 2018 in ODI's and Tests. :inti
 
I would like to see Asif Ali and khushdil Shah in the rotation. Neither should be batting at the back end where the pressure is high and neither has proven to be great in that role (limited chances). I would do this team

Rizwan
Asif Ali / khushdil
Babar
Fakhar
Sharjeel
Haider Ali
Hafeez (5th bowler)
Hassan
Hasnain / Faheem / Nawaz / Imad
Shaheen
Haris Rauf / Usman qadir / Mohammed Amir

Horses for courses policy. If it's a bowling pitch then more allrounders and less specialist bowlers. If it's a spinning wicket then more spinners. Couple other players I would carry as passengers are amad butt, Azam Khan, and aamer Yamin since they are prototypical t20 hitters.

The goal is twofold:

1) fill the team up with prototypical t20 players.

2) build the bench strength for the ODI team. Winning is secondary. Planning for the world cups should more important.
 
I would like to see Asif Ali and khushdil Shah in the rotation. Neither should be batting at the back end where the pressure is high and neither has proven to be great in that role (limited chances). I would do this team

Rizwan
Asif Ali / khushdil
Babar
Fakhar
Sharjeel
Haider Ali
Hafeez (5th bowler)
Hassan
Hasnain / Faheem / Nawaz / Imad
Shaheen
Haris Rauf / Usman qadir / Mohammed Amir

Horses for courses policy. If it's a bowling pitch then more allrounders and less specialist bowlers. If it's a spinning wicket then more spinners. Couple other players I would carry as passengers are amad butt, Azam Khan, and aamer Yamin since they are prototypical t20 hitters.

The goal is twofold:

1) fill the team up with prototypical t20 players.

2) build the bench strength for the ODI team. Winning is secondary. Planning for the world cups should more important.

Add Shadab to make it a 20 man pool to rotate from.
 
I would like to see Asif Ali and khushdil Shah in the rotation. Neither should be batting at the back end where the pressure is high and neither has proven to be great in that role (limited chances). I would do this team

Rizwan
Asif Ali / khushdil
Babar
Fakhar
Sharjeel
Haider Ali
Hafeez (5th bowler)
Hassan
Hasnain / Faheem / Nawaz / Imad
Shaheen
Haris Rauf / Usman qadir / Mohammed Amir

Horses for courses policy. If it's a bowling pitch then more allrounders and less specialist bowlers. If it's a spinning wicket then more spinners. Couple other players I would carry as passengers are amad butt, Azam Khan, and aamer Yamin since they are prototypical t20 hitters.

The goal is twofold:

1) fill the team up with prototypical t20 players.

2) build the bench strength for the ODI team. Winning is secondary. Planning for the world cups should more important.

Rizwan, Babar, Hafeez and Shaheen don't need to play every game. Manage their workload and try different combinations.
 
South Africa have been fined 20 per cent of their match fees for maintaining a slow over-rate against Pakistan in the first T20I in Johannesburg on Saturday.



Andy Pycroft of the Emirates ICC Elite Panel of Match Referees imposed the sanction after Heinrich Klaasen’s side was ruled to be one over short of the target after time allowances were taken into consideration.

In accordance with Article 2.22 of the ICC Code of Conduct for Players and Player Support Personnel, which relates to minimum over-rate offences, players are fined 20 per cent of their match fees for every over their side fails to bowl in the allotted time.

Klaasen pleaded guilty to the offence and accepted the proposed sanction, so there was no need for a formal hearing.

On-field umpires Adrian Holdstock and Allahudien Palekar, third umpire Bangani Jele and fourth umpire Shaun George leveled the charge.
 
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