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Pakistan (224) end their ICC World Cup 2023 campaign and fail to qualify for the Semi-Finals with a 93-run loss to England (337/9)

Thankfully this torture has ended . Pakistani trolls who were laughing at Afghanistan should laugh at this team first . Afghan bravery and team effort was 1000 times better than this timid friends XI. Such a sorry side
 
Give Saud his natural batting position no.4 and give him long rope like was given to Rizwan and Babar. I like Saud. He has talent.
Rehnay dey yaar. 4 or 5 has not much to say tonight, he had plenty of time to build his innings. I am not asking for his omission, just want him to make a big one for the team. We call him the best player of spin but he often get’s out to spin.
 
Fakhar
Shafique
Babar
Huarira
Tayab
.....
Haris
Jamal
Arshad
Ihsanullah
Abrar

Try this team. We can guarantee 5th or 6th next WC then.
 
Sarfraz does deserve credit for that CT.

If Misbah or Babar Azam had the same players, we would've seen a group stage exit. If any of these two were captain, the batting order, bowling changes and field placements would've been different and very much backwards.

Sarfraz wasn't amazing, just not as atrocious as Misbah and Babar. He was more flexible and open minded in his thinking. He backed new players including young blood in the side whereas Misbah was just stuck in his ways because he had a low cricketing IQ.
I agree with you. Misbah has a very timid approach. It Was a nightmare when he was the ODI captain

Babar also has shortcomings as captain. But what I dont agree with is questioning Babar the batsman which many posters are doing
 
Nice scapegoat . Move on from Rizwan first . Ifti is match winner and only power hitter . Agha is playing ahead of him . What a joke
Rizwan is a certain type of player. He can't be expected to play a power hitter as that's not his game at all.

Team has to bring in more power hitters to fill that void.

Chacha is old and his official age is almost certainly fake. At best he has two years of cricket in him. Time to find someone else who can fill the same role
 
Match winner hai Ifti? I’d love to be reminded of games he won
He has played good important knocks even though he isn’t a number 6 player he has done well and plays for team not for his stats . His hitting power is immense . If he is being removed then you need to look masters of stat paddings first and captains friends
 
Sarfraz does deserve credit for that CT.

If Misbah or Babar Azam had the same players, we would've seen a group stage exit. If any of these two were captain, the batting order, bowling changes and field placements would've been different and very much backwards.

Sarfraz wasn't amazing, just not as atrocious as Misbah and Babar. He was more flexible and open minded in his thinking. He backed new players including young blood in the side whereas Misbah was just stuck in his ways because he had a low cricketing IQ.
Misbah didn't have a low cricketing iq. He's ironically the smartest player we've ever had in the past decade or so.

That's why I always get angry at misbah and I hate hate him.

With babar it's more so, he's an idiot, so pity patty.

With misbah I hate cause he 110% knew what he was doing. He was never interested in turning Pakistan into a competitive white ball side. He only wanted Pakistan to be a test nation only. He himself hates playing odi and t20 and didn't like the format and wasn't interested in improving it.

Misbah is the very definition of corruption.

Also as for the whole misbah best analyst thing. Actions speak louder then words. Just follow all of eoin Morgan interviews from 2015.

He clearly explained why England failed and he explained all changes he would make to prepare for 2019. And he implemented them.

Misbah can talk like a Chad on the show but will never actually mean any of what he says. Misbah doesn't want odi and t20 for Pakistan That's the issue.
 
Is this same shadab who was laughing after losing to Afghanistan in UAE and saying “ ab pata chala what is team without Babar and Rizwan”
 
Shadab wasn't even close to that. Embarrassing for someone claiming to be an all rounder
 
How horrible Pakistan is playing spin. Best batsman in team, Babar, is also horrible against spin.

Wyy not play some domestic games on turning tracks?
 
Sarfraz does deserve credit for that CT.

If Misbah or Babar Azam had the same players, we would've seen a group stage exit. If any of these two were captain, the batting order, bowling changes and field placements would've been different and very much backwards.

Sarfraz wasn't amazing, just not as atrocious as Misbah and Babar. He was more flexible and open minded in his thinking. He backed new players including young blood in the side whereas Misbah was just stuck in his ways because he had a low cricketing IQ.
Sarfraz was our best LOI captain for a long time. He was a good player too. It's his own fault why he isn't part of the team and leading the side today. Not Babar's. It isn't Babar's fault Sarfraz lost batting and wicketkeeping form and got fat. It is great Sarfraz has now discovered form and fitness to some degree, but he did it too late, only when he got kicked out from the team. If he had done it when he was captain, he'd still be captain today.
 
He has played good important knocks even though he isn’t a number 6 player he has done well and plays for team not for his stats . His hitting power is immense . If he is being removed then you need to look masters of stat paddings first and captains friends
He may be selfless but he’s not a match winner. I’ve hardly ever seen him hit those big sixes against good sides. And mind u there’s lot more to batting than a few mid wicket slogs
 
Pathetic useless chacha can only perform against Nepal! That’s it lol why is he on the team ? Don’t even let him back in Pakistan! Deport him to Nepal
 
@mominsaigol : team is fine, only missing was Naseem, but his replacements (Hasan & Wasim), actually out bowled the regulars - Hasan should have been the MoM against SRL, in that run feast he took 4 top orders, reducing target by 35 runs at least.

Problem is the confirmed players didn’t live upto expectation. No matter how you explain, no selector or fan would have dropped Babar, Riz, Shaheen, Ifti, Shadab, SSA, Rauf & probably Imam out of starting XI - Abdullah took his chances but otherwise FZ should have started with Imam & Abdullah might not even played in this WC.

shooting wrong target won’t help much - these are available top players. Apart from few aged ones like Ifti, Rauf, FZ, Nawaz… these players will form the core of PCT in 2025 or 2027. I think, focus should be to work on improving their skill level, fitness level and build better game strategy around these players. No Wasim or Saeed or Saq is going to pop up from vacuum.
 
Shaheen Afridi showing how to smack pies of Rashid. With the spin, long handle, full swing of the bat.

There you go Rashid. Time to cook new pies now
 
Now I understand why Pakistani batters these days can't play spin. After netting against Shadab and Nawaz all day you get a false sense of belief of how spin bowling really works.
If I was chairman PCB, I would have called Ajmal and Hafeez and asked them to bowl in nets with chucking over 50 degree.
 
Initially odi's were a one day test game but now its being pushed towards longer format of t20

Spoils the beauty of the game

but you can't compare today's strike rates with strike rates of the past
To think that even in those days Viv & Zaheer had stats like 47/91 & 48/89 - I have seen them in their fading age…. And I’ll never be able to convince younger posters what they were like.
 
Misbah didn't have a low cricketing iq. He's ironically the smartest player we've ever had in the past decade or so.

That's why I always get angry at misbah and I hate hate him.

With babar it's more so, he's an idiot, so pity patty.

With misbah I hate cause he 110% knew what he was doing. He was never interested in turning Pakistan into a competitive white ball side. He only wanted Pakistan to be a test nation only. He himself hates playing odi and t20 and didn't like the format and wasn't interested in improving it.

Misbah is the very definition of corruption.

Also as for the whole misbah best analyst thing. Actions speak louder then words. Just follow all of eoin Morgan interviews from 2015.

He clearly explained why England failed and he explained all changes he would make to prepare for 2019. And he implemented them.

Misbah can talk like a Chad on the show but will never actually mean any of what he says. Misbah doesn't want odi and t20 for Pakistan That's the issue.
Misbah is Cancer to Pakistan cricket! He keeps coming back to Pcb, so he can clear his son’s way to international cricket! Another parchi is being created by Misbah
 
He may be selfless but he’s not a match winner. I’ve hardly ever seen him hit those big sixes against good sides. And mind u there’s lot more to batting than a few mid wicket slogs
I don’t mind him being removed but the root cause will stay there unless those don’t get axe it won’t be fixed . But Ifti will be just made a scapegoat cause it’s easy
 
Misbah is Cancer to Pakistan cricket! He keeps coming back to Pcb, so he can clear his son’s way to international cricket! Another parchi is being created by Misbah
Brother I'm aware. As I said, misbah 100% knows what he's doing
 
I agree with you. Misbah has a very timid approach. It Was a nightmare when he was the ODI captain

Babar also has shortcomings as captain. But what I dont agree with is questioning Babar the batsman which many posters are doing

What I would say about Babar's batting is the ODI stats (mid 50s average and high 80s strike rate) don't match up to his true caliber.

He has feasted against underpowered and minnow bowling attacks. If you look at the last 2 x Asia Cups, last year's WT20 and in this World Cup, you can see he's not a top tier white ball batsman.

If he was regularly playing first string bowling attacks, his average would be more like 40 and his strike rate would be 80.
 
He has played good important knocks even though he isn’t a number 6 player he has done well and plays for team not for his stats . His hitting power is immense . If he is being removed then you need to look masters of stat paddings first and captains friends

The immediate period after a world cup is time to rebuild the side.

Is ifti a core player who will be around the next world cup? No. Time to find a younger replacement
 
Game changed in 2008, show me one batter with SR of 90 with an average of 35. We were never good batting side, let alone attacking side. Always relied upon bowling.
There is no batter with the strike rate of 90+ and average of 35+ in the history of cricket pre 1998 except the great viv Richards and your expecting someone from Pakistan team

Up untill 2008

We only had gilchrist, Dhoni, symonds, and hussey

So how can you compare todays pakistani batsmen with pakistani batsmen of the past
 
There is no batter with the strike rate of 90+ and average of 35+ in the history of cricket pre 1998 except the great viv Richards and your expecting someone from Pakistan team

Up untill 2008

We only had gilchrist, Dhoni, symonds, and hussey

So how can you compare todays pakistani batsmen with pakistani batsmen of the past
I said after 2008, read that again.
 
Misbah is Cancer to Pakistan cricket! He keeps coming back to Pcb, so he can clear his son’s way to international cricket! Another parchi is being created by Misbah
In my opinion misbah is the worst that ever happened to Pakistan cricket. He just haunts Pakistan cricket in every way.
 
Misbah didn't have a low cricketing iq. He's ironically the smartest player we've ever had in the past decade or so.

That's why I always get angry at misbah and I hate hate him.

With babar it's more so, he's an idiot, so pity patty.

With misbah I hate cause he 110% knew what he was doing. He was never interested in turning Pakistan into a competitive white ball side. He only wanted Pakistan to be a test nation only. He himself hates playing odi and t20 and didn't like the format and wasn't interested in improving it.

Misbah is the very definition of corruption.

Also as for the whole misbah best analyst thing. Actions speak louder then words. Just follow all of eoin Morgan interviews from 2015.

He clearly explained why England failed and he explained all changes he would make to prepare for 2019. And he implemented them.

Misbah can talk like a Chad on the show but will never actually mean any of what he says. Misbah doesn't want odi and t20 for Pakistan That's the issue.

If Misbah has good cricketing IQ, then how do you explain his team selection and tactics during his captaincy? Misbah is the worst captain for tests played in Australia. The guy ran Yasir Shah to the ground and kept all the fielders on the leg-side.

Also, look at the contrast in fortunes when you compare the 2013 and 2017 CT tournaments.

I do agree that he had no interest in improving because he was a self-serving leech.
 
Nice scapegoat . Move on from Rizwan first . Ifti is match winner and only power hitter . Agha is playing ahead of him . What a joke
Just stop with ifthi! Supporters of ifthi like you are the problem! Take him to Nepal and become a Nepal cricket fan! That’s the only place he will perform
 
Glenn
How horrible Pakistan is playing spin. Best batsman in team, Babar, is also horrible against spin.

Wyy not play some domestic games on turning tracks?

Paksitan's problem is home tracks much like the same problem for Bangladesh. Pakistan pitches on an average has the lowest bounce by some distance in the world. It allows them to get away with lot of flaws. They need to drastically change their pitches
 
Look how their spinners are bowling with the wet ball. Pak spinners were dreadful today as well.
At Eden it is very hard to chase. SA were bundled out for 80 in replay to India’s 328 not too long ago. Ball spun a lot more in secon innings like this game
 
If Misbah has good cricketing IQ, then how do you explain his team selection and tactics during this captaincy? Misbah is the worst captain in tests played in Australia. The guy ran Yasir Shah to the ground and kept all the fielders on the leg-side.

Also, look at the contrast in fortunes when you compare the 2013 and 2017 CT tournaments.

I do agree that he had no interest in improving because he was a self-serving leech.
Well said bro! These Misbah fans are clueless! Give them guli Dandaa
 
The immediate period after a world cup is time to rebuild the side.

Is ifti a core player who will be around the next world cup? No. Time to find a younger replacement
Neither will be Rizwan . But to our surprise he might become captain . Cause he is favourite of some . That’s how things work . Easy to axe will go
 
Get Shadab and make him into a batter in the Iftikhar mould and find a spinner who can actually spin the ball!
 
I said after 2008, read that again.
After 2008 misbah happened like I said in my initial post and everyone has been following misbah though of school since then

But did manage scrape out imad wasim and fakhar zaman who both average 40+ with 90+ average and imad is sitting out this world cup 😀
 
What I would say about Babar's batting is the ODI stats (mid 50s average and high 80s strike rate) don't match up to his true caliber.

He has feasted against underpowered and minnow bowling attacks. If you look at the last 2 x Asia Cups, last year's WT20 and in this World Cup, you can see he's not a top tier white ball batsman.

If he was regularly playing first string bowling attacks, his average would be more like 40 and his strike rate would be 80.
His average would be the same average that it is against India, 28.

Babar and rizzu are clueless against quality bowlers that's the thing.

If a weak bowler bowls short theirs a 50% chance of Babar getting out by the pull shot because his backfoot is non existent.

It's his backfoot which is the issue.

Look at his dismissals

1) Nedtherlands: Pull shot, goes to fielder cause it isn't High enough cause his backfoot is lacking

2) india: tries to cut it, but fails due to lack of backfoot

3) His dismissal today is another pull shot related issue.

The guy sucks against spin because if its pitched at good length he can't work it away cause you require the backfoot to do so, it's why hasranga made him his bunny in test.

Quality bowlers know this. It took kuldeep 2 to 3 deliveries to figure it out. Even Nepal bowlers know this, its just their bowlers suck.
 
Hahahahaha

How does Sarfraz totla say run lai loo?

Rizwan is your greatest ever BATSMAN/KEEPER. the only guy who made me believe that Pakistan can also have a keeper who is good enough to play in the side as a batsman alone as well.
Plus is an exceptional keeper

When people make our Test/ODI All-Time Eleven, it's sad to see keepers with 20 average make it to that team

Thats exactly the problem.

A mediocre batsmen is our greatest ever.

And you wondered why we didnt qualify.
 
Neither will be Rizwan . But to our surprise he might become captain . Cause he is favourite of some . That’s how things work . Easy to axe will go
Rizwan is going enough to play till the next wc.


He's a decent bat and decent keeper. He's not an elite player and neither is he a power hitter. Can't believe anyone would be advocating for sarfaraz in place of him. Sarfaraz was poor in 2019, now he is even worse and older.
 
Get Shadab and make him into a batter in the Iftikhar mould and find a spinner who can actually spin the ball!
Only proper spinner is watching from the sidelines in the reserves. You don't get effective middle over results here with bits and pieces players.
 
If Misbah has good cricketing IQ, then how do you explain his team selection and tactics during his captaincy? Misbah is the worst captain for tests played in Australia. The guy ran Yasir Shah to the ground and kept all the fielders on the leg-side.

Also, look at the contrast in fortunes when you compare the 2013 and 2017 CT tournaments.

I do agree that he had no interest in improving because he was a self-serving leech.
His tactics were fine. He was gun at field settings and chasing lower totals. He was excellent in that regard.

Read what I said. His issue was he didn't give a kahoot about odi and t20 team. He was interested in his buddies playing and just didn't care.

He wanted the odi and t20 team to fail with a passion because he wanted Pakistan to just he a top tier test playing nation.

He doesn't care about odi and t20 cricket. As I said he's the definition of corruption. He's basically babar's doati yaari but 100x worse.
 
Just stop with ifthi! Supporters of ifthi like you are the problem! Take him to Nepal and become a Nepal cricket fan! That’s the only place he will perform
Babar and Rizwan will even mess up Nepal XI
 
If I was chairman PCB, I would have called Ajmal and Hafeez and asked them to bowl in nets with chucking over 50 degree.
Won’t help bro - you didn’t notice the real problem. Ajmal, MoHa were not traditional spinners - even if they can reproduce their best in nets, it won’t help developing the spin play - Riz will still keep sweeping successfully while Babar will keep knocking around singles taking spinners as medium pacers.

There is a major weakness against flight, loop, identifying where ball is pitching & which way ball is turning - that’s pure batting technique based on footwork & wrist play. Just practicing won’t help - need a proper batting coach on spin play who can work on technique. Also, playing long innings on turning tracks help batsmen to develop the knack of identifying spin in flight.
 
Rizwan is going enough to play till the next wc.


He's a decent bat and decent keeper. He's not an elite player and neither is he a power hitter. Can't believe anyone would be advocating for sarfaraz in place of him. Sarfaraz was poor in 2019, now he is even worse and older.
Yeah very decent we saw that today
 
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