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I find it hilarious to see the Pakistani Army and DGISPR taking all the credit for the performance of the Pakistani Air Force.

PAF pilots just do not get enough media coverage, attention and their performance in the last 4-5 days will be remembered in our history books for ages and will be taught in case studies in all the major air colleges and schools around the world.

Saw some hilarious tweets about the rishta market go through the roof for PAF pilots. If anyone deserves a parade, celebration on the streets of Pakistan and for the media to highlight, celebrate their achievements, its these guys.

These guys deserve the same kind of love adulation rewards that Arshad Nadeem got.

The real Top Guns of South East Asia.
 
My personal take on all that has transpired recently:


I’ve tried my best in the recent past few years to be as neutral as I can when it comes to cricket, and India/Pakistan diplomacy. I’ve always done my best to call a spade a spade, and that too if I think Pakistan sucks at anything and India is superior. I’ve always tried to be respectful towards Indian posters here especially in cricket matters because I still do maintain that their general game sense towards cricket, cricketing merit and cricketing understanding is superior to Pakistanis. That’s all good, I don’t care if it annoys Pakistan posters.

Recently, the news of what happened in Pahalgam disturbed me from within. Seeing those innocent men being slaughtered for their religious beliefs, and their widows being traumatised by what took place is something I cannot and will not accept. That was highly unfortunate, that should not have happened!

I knew from 2019 that the Indian government will as always blame Pakistan for this without proof, and I had an inkling feeling that they will do something as they usually look to do in places in POK or some Pakistan army base in those regions. They will make a lot of noise and then a dogfight ensues etc.

I felt the Pakistani awaam undermined the anger of the Indian nation with its constant memes and jokes on the situation of an impending attack. They must have been under the impression that this will just be another one of those 2019 skirmishes. They were not in any kind of worry, and they are indeed a brave and jovial nation who knows how to stay positive. Rightly so.

Throughout all of this, I stayed out of any talks, jokes or whatever as I truly respected the Indian sentiment too.

Then, a few days ago when India finally struck, I was left absolutely flabbergasted! Those attacks, those missiles in the civilian population of Pakistan, and those deep in Bahawalpur really shocked me! I couldn’t believe what I was seeing? My countrymen in the middle of the night coming out on to the streets unsure and shaken by what had just transpired! This was serious, civilian casualties reported! Mosques attacked! Children killed! I knew it in my heart now that this isn’t a proportionate response, and India is now trying to do something very sinister.

The next day or so for me was extremely challenging, especially seeing the response of these attacks by India by world media. I was shocked to see how news outlets such as Sky news peddled the narrative of how India is allowed to defend itself from Terrorist activity. I was shocked to see politicians like Preeti Patel and Rishi Sunak (former PM of England) also support the narrative of Pakistan being a supposed terrorist nation who India has every right to defend itself against. It hurt me so much to see how me being in England cannot have the voice to challenge these influential agencies who paint my countrymen that are suffering now, as evil! Also, talks of India being put on the same pedestal of Israel who these western powers have defended throughout, and Pakistan being looked down upon as just another Gaza or Lebanon of Asia. This was heartbreaking.

I knew we are on our own, I knew we will never be heard. I remembered one thing that always has been a major motivation for me in life, and that is the belief that God is always with those who have no one to support or listen to them. I knew in my heart when the Pakistan Armed forces spokesperson, the PM, the Information Minister and the senior political figures promised Pakistan will come out on top and give not just India, but the world a show that they will never forget. I knew we were going to come through this!

I sensed the unity, we were dispersed but we all United as one! We saw the picture of that beautiful boy with the blue eyes who was barbarically killed by those Indian missiles, he reminded me of my own son (God bless him), I knew this boy will bring us all together wherever we are in the world! We United, we stayed firm, our belief was not shaken, our trust in Allah was not to be doubted! The DG ISPR had taught me in 2019 that the Pak Armed forces are Men of their word! They are Men of honour! They feel the pain we feel, and that’s the motivation they have to give their nation the satisfaction they desire in such times! I had no doubt that they will not let us down.

Today again, I am in absolute awe of these wonderful Pak forces! They are the heartbeat of Pakistan! There is no doubt! What gives me further delight is that Pakistan without giving any information of its technological advancement in warfare had absolutely stunned the Indian armed forces! This is an army that works in silence, it builds in silence, it builds into a monster in silence! Their tactics, strategies, their decoy moves and intelligence hacks are top tier! I am so proud to be a Pakistani today because of this wonderful institution that is the Pakistan armed forces.

Today I feel that if push comes to shove, we can take on anyone in the world if we must! I am so saddened to see India throw in the towel so easily having billed itself as some kind of superpower that will reign dominant and enforce superiority! Shockingly poor and cowardly army that couldn’t last 12 hours in combat once the tables turned in a full blown response!

My honest take on the operation initiated by India, well done for some landmark achievements such as getting some missiles through into Pakistan main cities. That’s impressive, but if the objective was revenge for Pahalgam…you did not achieve it if you had to surrender like you did today when the Oval Office had to intervene and warn you about the absolute carnage they knew that was about to be unleashed to you. It’s clear that you are no superpower.

The objective was to ensure fear in Pakistan. All it has done is convince the nation that the next time we take the gloves off, we are going to absolutely smash the living daylights out of India. The next time your security lapses in Kashmir blame Pakistan, you better think 1000 times before engaging again because Pakistan has all of your toys and better in warfare. Just because they do not tout their own horn doesn’t mean they have not built an Arsenal that can and will decimate everything you own.

Pakistan will always put a full stop. Pakistan will always win. Believe that!
 
Whole world has acknowledged their legend, but no surprise as even back during the 1967 Palestine vs Israel war even Israeli military was saying that PAF gave them the toughest fight despite all the help from their Ally buddies.

Salute to them and may Allah give the reward of Ghazis for their service. Was going to say Shuhada but don’t think any was taken down.
 
There's always an element of healthy jealousy/rivalry between air force and army. Don't think either is soft toward each other- but doesn't matter.

The air force has historically always been seen as the more efficient department. And rightly so.
 
Whole world has acknowledged their legend, but no surprise as even back during the 1967 Palestine vs Israel war even Israeli military was saying that PAF gave them the toughest fight despite all the help from their Ally buddies.

Salute to them and may Allah give the reward of Ghazis for their service. Was going to say Shuhada but don’t think any was taken down.
Source?
 
Ok not sure which thread to post this but here's my view

Aftermath of the madness:

Pakistan narrative:
- Very poor narrative in overseas media.
- No one could articulate a proper sentence be it Defence Minister who actually made blunder of admittting
- Kept going on Sky news and getting pwned by that female host again and again
- Didn't grill India on funding terrorism in Balochistan. This was such an easy counter but the people in charge couldn't string together a coherent sentence let alone control the narrative. It wasn't put across very well that even a news anchor bullied you in all the interviews
- unable to put forward their stance on international media. Indian diplomats got millions of views on international media like Tharoor. On the other hand Pakistanis were acting like they're being questioned by a policeman - fumbling and unable to control the narrative -- they could've put the Skynews anchor on the spot but looked meek.
- India didn't disclose their losses regarding the Jets and when asked just dismissed the questions early on. Kept their pressers stating that they are just doing non escalatory responses to Pakistan's aggressions. India did a better job of managing what was going on in their side. Pakistan's residents were sharing each and every video on the spot.
- Pakistan's DGISPR looked very emotional and reactive in the pressers


Air Defence system:
- If Pak knew India was going to strike which India declared, then why couldn't they intercept those initial strikes?
- Took multiple blows at multiple bases again and again.
- Even took a strike at a base just minutes before the supposed ceasefire. How did they let this one slip through? The talks were obviously done beforehand.
- Took hits on their main cities but couldn't even hit or have a plan for their Indian counterparts.
- India was able to intercept pretty much most and absorb the Bunyan response. Not much damage done compared to Pakistan as far as optics go.
- India had the better drones/ air defence system


OSINT/ Social Media
- The Pakistani public was very poor in uploading each visual of the strikes in just minutes. Imagine releasing visuals on the attacks with in seconds and even army equipment and locations were seen being shared on instagram/twitter.
- Pakistan's Reddit's spaces were amateur. Just focussing on memes compared to India's cohesive subs be it r/indiandefense or even off beat r/indiadiscussion or even regional subs. Mind you these are run and fueled by common people. Pakistani subs were quite late in relaying the sharing of videos/pics.
- Twitter - well this was just re-enabled just for the war and it again showed that Pakistan doesn't have any cohesive or well oiled social media presence. India's established presence clearly showed. Pakistan's social media was unable to match the India's information overload.
- The average indian was more aware of information warfare on social media and online forums
- India controlled the disinformation and information warfare on all levels

Media:
- Only saw a couple of clips as it was unwatchable.
- Indian tv channels were just very poor. Some Indian twitter account made an AI voiceover of Pak DGISPR that they lost multiple jets and it got so viral. Even NDTV and Times Now played that fabricated clip. Zee and Republic were unwatchable. Indian media was saying Karachi port destroyed and all other stuff
- Pakistan media for the Bunyan operation stated multiple bases completely destroyed and even the Beas storage destroyed but in reality very little damage as per local videos.

Anyways, good that the madness is stopped or paused for now...
result is more lives lost on both sides.
As well as more hatred
 
Ok not sure which thread to post this but here's my view

Aftermath of the madness:

Pakistan narrative:
- Very poor narrative in overseas media.
- No one could articulate a proper sentence be it Defence Minister who actually made blunder of admittting
- Kept going on Sky news and getting pwned by that female host again and again
- Didn't grill India on funding terrorism in Balochistan. This was such an easy counter but the people in charge couldn't string together a coherent sentence let alone control the narrative. It wasn't put across very well that even a news anchor bullied you in all the interviews
- unable to put forward their stance on international media. Indian diplomats got millions of views on international media like Tharoor. On the other hand Pakistanis were acting like they're being questioned by a policeman - fumbling and unable to control the narrative -- they could've put the Skynews anchor on the spot but looked meek.
- India didn't disclose their losses regarding the Jets and when asked just dismissed the questions early on. Kept their pressers stating that they are just doing non escalatory responses to Pakistan's aggressions. India did a better job of managing what was going on in their side. Pakistan's residents were sharing each and every video on the spot.
- Pakistan's DGISPR looked very emotional and reactive in the pressers


Air Defence system:
- If Pak knew India was going to strike which India declared, then why couldn't they intercept those initial strikes?
- Took multiple blows at multiple bases again and again.
- Even took a strike at a base just minutes before the supposed ceasefire. How did they let this one slip through? The talks were obviously done beforehand.
- Took hits on their main cities but couldn't even hit or have a plan for their Indian counterparts.
- India was able to intercept pretty much most and absorb the Bunyan response. Not much damage done compared to Pakistan as far as optics go.
- India had the better drones/ air defence system


OSINT/ Social Media
- The Pakistani public was very poor in uploading each visual of the strikes in just minutes. Imagine releasing visuals on the attacks with in seconds and even army equipment and locations were seen being shared on instagram/twitter.
- Pakistan's Reddit's spaces were amateur. Just focussing on memes compared to India's cohesive subs be it r/indiandefense or even off beat r/indiadiscussion or even regional subs. Mind you these are run and fueled by common people. Pakistani subs were quite late in relaying the sharing of videos/pics.
- Twitter - well this was just re-enabled just for the war and it again showed that Pakistan doesn't have any cohesive or well oiled social media presence. India's established presence clearly showed. Pakistan's social media was unable to match the India's information overload.
- The average indian was more aware of information warfare on social media and online forums
- India controlled the disinformation and information warfare on all levels

Media:
- Only saw a couple of clips as it was unwatchable.
- Indian tv channels were just very poor. Some Indian twitter account made an AI voiceover of Pak DGISPR that they lost multiple jets and it got so viral. Even NDTV and Times Now played that fabricated clip. Zee and Republic were unwatchable. Indian media was saying Karachi port destroyed and all other stuff
- Pakistan media for the Bunyan operation stated multiple bases completely destroyed and even the Beas storage destroyed but in reality very little damage as per local videos.

Anyways, good that the madness is stopped or paused for now...
result is more lives lost on both sides.
As well as more hatred
What a completely unrelated meltdown.

Indians have tarnished their reputations so bad in this episode that no stupidity now from them is surprising.
 
PAF pilots are universally recognized as one of the best trained pilots in the world and that has to do with the fact that along with USA and Israel, PAF is the most selective Air Force in the world.

It is incredibly difficult to get selected as a fighter pilot in PAF and it’s even harder to be allotted a fighter aircraft and then to get shortlisted for combat scenarios.

The Pakistani pilots who are tasked with exposing the incompetency of IAF are the creme de la creme.

In comparison, IAF has state of the art tech thanks to Indian’s economic superiority over Pakistan but their pilots are clowns. It is high time India looks inwards and revisits how IAF trains these pilots.

Clearly, they are doing something wrong and they have not been able to fix it. This is why PAF keeps humiliating them in aerial warfare and will continue to do so until they get their act together.

The incompetency of IAF is getting a proper bashing in French media. The Dassault Rafale is a glorious machine that is getting a bad rep simply because it’s in the hands of a bunch of clowns who don’t have the required competency to do justice to its capabilities.

It’s hilarious to know that India wants to purchase the F-35, the most advance fighter jet in the world and which requires an extraordinary level of training and competency.

Surely USA will back out of the deal now. There is no way they are going trust IAF pilots who are nowhere near capable of handling that beast.
 
PAF pilots are universally recognized as one of the best trained pilots in the world and that has to do with the fact that along with USA and Israel, PAF is the most selective Air Force in the world.

It is incredibly difficult to get selected as a fighter pilot in PAF and it’s even harder to be allotted a fighter aircraft and then to get shortlisted for combat scenarios.

The Pakistani pilots who are tasked with exposing the incompetency of IAF are the creme de la creme.

In comparison, IAF has state of the art tech thanks to Indian’s economic superiority over Pakistan but their pilots are clowns. It is high time India looks inwards and revisits how IAF trains these pilots.

Clearly, they are doing something wrong and they have not been able to fix it. This is why PAF keeps humiliating them in aerial warfare and will continue to do so until they get their act together.

The incompetency of IAF is getting a proper bashing in French media. The Dassault Rafale is a glorious machine that is getting a bad rep simply because it’s in the hands of a bunch of clowns who don’t have the required competency to do justice to its capabilities.

It’s hilarious to know that India wants to purchase the F-35, the most advance fighter jet in the world and which requires an extraordinary level of training and competency.

Surely USA will back out of the deal now. There is no way they are going trust IAF pilots who are nowhere near capable of handling that beast.
I wouldn’t call indian fighter pilots clown or incompetent. They are simply no match to PAF pilots who are regarded as the elite fighter jet pilots. PAF has a legacy of producing capable pilots who are not only skilled but also far superior in combat. The PAF is the backbone of the Pakistan armed forces
 
Also go to any neutral platform where this news is shared and no one is raising any suspicions and discussing the technical aspects of the rafale getting shot down. It’s only the indians who are denying everything that goes against their national prise.

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Zalmi Foundation Pledges PKR 50 Million in Honor of Pakistan’s Air Defenders

With profound pride and unwavering patriotism, Javed Afridi, Chairman of Peshawar Zalmi and the Zalmi Foundation, Zalmi Foundation proudly announces a heartfelt tribute of PKR 50 million to the valiant Air Defenders of the country.
This tribute comes in light of the recent events that posed a serious threat to national security and public safety. In a situation that could have resulted in significant damage and loss of life, the swift, precise, and heroic response of Pakistan’s Air Defenders ensured that no harm was done and no lives were compromised.

“Their unwavering courage, dedication, and sacrifice are the heartbeat of our national pride. Today, we honor them not just with words, but through meaningful action,” said Javed Afridi.

This contribution is more than a gesture — it is a powerful symbol of national solidarity and deep respect for the heroes who shield our skies with unshakable resolve. It reflects the Zalmi Foundation’s enduring mission to stand beside those who serve the nation with honor.

Known for its commitment to youth empowerment and national development, the Zalmi Foundation continues to lead with purpose celebrating courage, reinforcing unity, and paying tribute to those who place duty above all.
 
I don't think it's like that. Growing up in Pakistan, PAF was always considered the "Pride of the Nation". PAF not being in the limelight recently is because of a larger overall sentiment, a decrease in the popularity of the military in society.

Fiza'ya: Psyche Of The Pakistan Air Force, a book by reputed Indian Author aptly captures its place in Pak society

"This is the first definitive account of a relatively small but fascinating air arm, the Pakistan Air Force. Hitherto, either casually studied or written up in propaganda fashion, the PAF has needed a detailed analysis of how a developing country with limited resources can nonetheless produce a first-class air force. The Pakistan Fiza'ya (Pakistan Air Force) plays a role in the psyche of its nation unmatched by any air force in the world, except that of the Israeli Air Force. The PAF's motto, loosely translated from the Persian, is 'Lord of All I Survey'. It calls itself "The Pride of the Nation, and it is exactly that. Much smaller than India in geographical size and population, Pakistan sees itself as a beleaguered state between India to the East and the Soviet Union/Afghanistan to the West. Since it can never match numbers with India, much in the same way as Israel cannot match numbers with the Arabs, it has always emphasized quality, and projected itself as the Gallant Few against the eastern hordes of many. The mystique of the air warrior, the last jousting knight, the only surviving gladiator on the field of modern war, has been effectively utilized by Pakistan as its symbol of defiance against vastly larger enemies. The PAF gets the best and the brightest of the country's young men."


Also, PAF is the only forces wing with the unique distinction of special interest from the Quaid, he even visited Raisalpur despite his poor health to lay the vision of the force


"There is no doubt that a country without a strong Air Force is at the mercy of any aggressor. Pakistan must build up her air force as quickly as possible. It must be an efficient air force second to none."
 
I wouldn’t call indian fighter pilots clown or incompetent. They are simply no match to PAF pilots who are regarded as the elite fighter jet pilots. PAF has a legacy of producing capable pilots who are not only skilled but also far superior in combat. The PAF is the backbone of the Pakistan armed forces
I would say it’s a combination of both. In spite of having modern jets and tech, IAF gets completely exposed. This isn’t a recent phenomen either; Pakistan has continuously dominated India in aerial combat since 1947, even in wars where India have ultimately had the upper hand.

IAF’s incompetency should not be downplayed due to the competency of PAF which is a universally recognized fact anyway.

PAF will prevail against most Air Forces in the world but it will probably face a much tougher challenge against others compared to what it does vs IAF.

There must be a huge difference between how PAF & IAF select and train their respective fighter pilots. The government of India needs to address this and IAF must be questioned over its repeated failures in spite of India’s defense budget.

It will not happen though because India operates under a state of denial and are more focused on create fake stories of downing Pakistani jets than they are on addressing their weak points.
 
PAF pilots are universally recognized as one of the best trained pilots in the world and that has to do with the fact that along with USA and Israel, PAF is the most selective Air Force in the world.

It is incredibly difficult to get selected as a fighter pilot in PAF and it’s even harder to be allotted a fighter aircraft and then to get shortlisted for combat scenarios.

The Pakistani pilots who are tasked with exposing the incompetency of IAF are the creme de la creme.

In comparison, IAF has state of the art tech thanks to Indian’s economic superiority over Pakistan but their pilots are clowns. It is high time India looks inwards and revisits how IAF trains these pilots.

Clearly, they are doing something wrong and they have not been able to fix it. This is why PAF keeps humiliating them in aerial warfare and will continue to do so until they get their act together.

The incompetency of IAF is getting a proper bashing in French media. The Dassault Rafale is a glorious machine that is getting a bad rep simply because it’s in the hands of a bunch of clowns who don’t have the required competency to do justice to its capabilities.

It’s hilarious to know that India wants to purchase the F-35, the most advance fighter jet in the world and which requires an extraordinary level of training and competency.

Surely USA will back out of the deal now. There is no way they are going trust IAF pilots who are nowhere near capable of handling that beast.

Usa won't sell them f35 because they have Russian defence batteries, they can't let there planes be exposed to enemy hardware, Indians will have to either buy Russian 5th gen plane or make it themselves.
 
Usa won't sell them f35 because they have Russian defence batteries, they can't let there planes be exposed to enemy hardware, Indians will have to either buy Russian 5th gen plane or make it themselves.
IAF pilots probably won’t be able to get the 5th gen fighter jets off the land, let alone handle them in combat.
 
Lets forget about IAF, we know they are trash, lets talk about how to support our air force far better, to get the better equipment asap, as we wre reliant on China / Turkey for last miute support - which wont alwasy be thr expecially from Turkey, erdogan and turkey economy aint looking good.

We need to start selling the JF-17 to other countries, i know we've sold some to Azerbaijan - sell more to them, we can easily sell them to the Algerians and the Nigerians, Maybe Malaysia, heard Brazil / Argentina wre interested last yr - havent heard of what happened.

We need to do more with Turkey TAI, they have very good drones = Bayraktar / TAI Anka

Purchase more j10 i understand around 16 are on order, but china can produce them within a few months and we need them asap
 
Lets forget about IAF, we know they are trash, lets talk about how to support our air force far better, to get the better equipment asap, as we wre reliant on China / Turkey for last miute support - which wont alwasy be thr expecially from Turkey, erdogan and turkey economy aint looking good.

We need to start selling the JF-17 to other countries, i know we've sold some to Azerbaijan - sell more to them, we can easily sell them to the Algerians and the Nigerians, Maybe Malaysia, heard Brazil / Argentina wre interested last yr - havent heard of what happened.

We need to do more with Turkey TAI, they have very good drones = Bayraktar / TAI Anka

Purchase more j10 i understand around 16 are on order, but china can produce them within a few months and we need them asap
pak will always be reliant on china, with the current developments china is gonna speed up integration of pak armed forced into their command and control structures. pak has to whole heartedly buy into that. pak is not a super power, and will never be, so greater integration with china is the best option.
 
The indian airforce just admitted it by saying “ there were losses “ when asked about losing rafales.
 
Lets forget about IAF, we know they are trash, lets talk about how to support our air force far better, to get the better equipment asap, as we wre reliant on China / Turkey for last miute support - which wont alwasy be thr expecially from Turkey, erdogan and turkey economy aint looking good.

We need to start selling the JF-17 to other countries, i know we've sold some to Azerbaijan - sell more to them, we can easily sell them to the Algerians and the Nigerians, Maybe Malaysia, heard Brazil / Argentina wre interested last yr - havent heard of what happened.

We need to do more with Turkey TAI, they have very good drones = Bayraktar / TAI Anka

Purchase more j10 i understand around 16 are on order, but china can produce them within a few months and we need them asap
Pakistan is getting j35s (Chinese F35) in one to two years. IAF has to get 5th gen fighter asap otherwise, situation will be even worse next time.
 
Also give credit to the bureaucracy which helps with buying and procurement because we seem to match India in all aspects with a miniscule budget.
 
Lol ! PAF has destroyed them.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WATCH: “I do not want to comment— that might give our opponent an advantage,” says Indian Air Marshal A.K. Bharti, when asked if Rafale jets were downed by Pakistan. <a href="https://t.co/yiCR2dGzai">https://t.co/yiCR2dGzai</a> <a href="https://t.co/deFjcLkeBk">pic.twitter.com/deFjcLkeBk</a></p>&mdash; Clash Report (@clashreport) <a href=" ">May 11, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Pakistan is getting j35s (Chinese F35) in one to two years. IAF has to get 5th gen fighter asap otherwise, situation will be even worse next time.

It's not the plane alone, it's the pilot. A lot of Millitary analysts are stating on social media that they have seen and observed both Indian and Pakistani pilots train and participate in flying excercises, drills in various countries and the quality of the Pakistani pilots, their training was far superior in comparison to the Indian pilots.
 
Lol ! PAF has destroyed them.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WATCH: “I do not want to comment— that might give our opponent an advantage,” says Indian Air Marshal A.K. Bharti, when asked if Rafale jets were downed by Pakistan. <a href="https://t.co/yiCR2dGzai">https://t.co/yiCR2dGzai</a> <a href="https://t.co/deFjcLkeBk">pic.twitter.com/deFjcLkeBk</a></p>&mdash; Clash Report (@clashreport) <a href=" ">May 11, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Clearly afraid of public backlash/Godi media. Those who have their braincells working , will find it as an admission of multiple IAF plain losses.
 
Pakistan is getting j35s (Chinese F35) in one to two years. IAF has to get 5th gen fighter asap otherwise, situation will be even worse next time.
Pakistan must stay sharp on all fronts, military, diplomatic, and water infrastructure, because as long as India continues down the path of religious extremism under a Hindutva led government, another conflict isn’t a question of if, but when. Until India realizes that going to war over water carries irreversible consequences, preparation is Pakistan’s only rational response.
 
Pakistan is getting j35s (Chinese F35) in one to two years. IAF has to get 5th gen fighter asap otherwise, situation will be even worse next time.
great to hear, however how many roughly f35's would they be getting, and is it the full spec or do we have to partly spec it out with our own gear
 
great to hear, however how many roughly f35's would they be getting, and is it the full spec or do we have to partly spec it out with our own gear
India is not getting any F35s. The US does not sell it to any country who has the S400. Turkey got kicked out of this deal for the same reason. If a NATO member didn't get it, there is no way India will.

And the same problem. Hodge podge of systems bought from different countries expecting to work with another set of hodge podge of planes from different countries.
 
Betting every bottom dollar India will try to secretly attack Pakistan's air force bases, planes and pilots at midnight in secrecy undeclared, unannounced. Pakistan must remain vigilant
We are at permanent war,another Israeli tactic that the facist state will use.
 
I am a big rugby fan and I mix with these guys and our PR is awful. I don't think the Junta realise how much impact this has on perceptions. We did have a guy that more than held his own but the Junta decided that he was too much of a threat. Release him and start to improve the PR. Our Airforce can't be praised enough and we should be shouting this from the roof tops but that can't be done touts
 
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Kawajha asif should be put into early retirement, Guy was clowning everywhere using social media for his information, shows you the military don't tell these paindus anything, just have them there as showpiece of fake democracy.
 
Kawajha asif should be put into early retirement, Guy was clowning everywhere using social media for his information, shows you the military don't tell these paindus anything, just have them there as showpiece of fake democracy.
He was by the voters in Sialkot in 2013. Never won a single election since 2008 and he gave Ind the narrative to justify their bullying. But he was talking on behalf of NS, another guy that can't win any election he stands in.
 
For me this just shows the ballistic missile attacks on the air bases were just a last ditch face saving measure intended for India’s domestic audience, especially the BJP types desperate for symbolic wins that were being fed non stop lies by their rabid warmongering media on what was happening or about to happen.

Reality hit home shortly after that when Pak responded offensively.
 
For me this just shows the ballistic missile attacks on the air bases were just a last ditch face saving measure intended for India’s domestic audience, especially the BJP types desperate for symbolic wins that were being fed non stop lies by their rabid warmongering media on what was happening or about to happen.

Reality hit home shortly after that when Pak responded offensively.

So no terror camps were destroyed, no terrorists were killed ( only crows weer impacted ), No janaza attented by Pak Gernails with coffins covered in your national flag.. etc etc ?
 
So no terror camps were destroyed, no terrorists were killed ( only crows weer impacted ), No janaza attented by Pak Gernails with coffins covered in your national flag.. etc etc ?
Even if that's all true, let me know when this really wipes out what you consider the jhadi insurgent factor in IOK. If anything, this only rejuvenated them. For each jihadi you kill this way, gives enough ammo to the think tank to recruit ten more, ready to go wreak havoc. Now India is justified aggressors. What you are claiming as a victory is something that has eluded US and their allies.

Honestly that's the sad reality and it hurts India, as well as Pakistan, in fact the whole region. Let us not get confused though what this really was. It was just an attempt from Modi to flex his imaginary muscles and now it has blown up in his face. Your media was already celebrating the breakup of Pakistan and destruction of our major cities. INS Vikrant was supposed to smash our port cities to bits. Indian public was lapping it up and refreshing their browsers for news of Pakistan's map being rearranged. None of this happened. The world may not care about it or may not have paid attention to the rhetoric internally in India, but you and I know the truth. The whole facade has come crashing down for you guys and there is no shame in admitting it must hurt.
 
Congratulations to all.

PAF has now been given the additional responsibility of defending Earth against aliens as the first level of defense.

Also in a tribute to PAF, Lockheed has now decided to name its next 6th gen fighter jet as Shehbaz which will only come in green colour and will be built entirely in Sialkot.
 
Betting every bottom dollar India will try to secretly attack Pakistan's air force bases, planes and pilots at midnight in secrecy undeclared, unannounced. Pakistan must remain vigilant
Pre-emptive strike like the Zionists done on Eygptian.
Hindutvan India has the same mindset as their Isreali masters so it would not come as a surprise
 
Congratulations to all.

PAF has now been given the additional responsibility of defending Earth against aliens as the first level of defense.

Also in a tribute to PAF, Lockheed has now decided to name its next 6th gen fighter jet as Shehbaz which will only come in green colour and will be built entirely in Sialkot.

We will sell you some too, if you guys behave, blue ya saffron color mein bhi bana dein gay. just make sure you hire non Indian pilots though.

And trump doesn’t even have to intervene for the deal to happen.
 
Even if that's all true, let me know when this really wipes out what you consider the jhadi insurgent factor in IOK. If anything, this only rejuvenated them. For each jihadi you kill this way, gives enough ammo to the think tank to recruit ten more, ready to go wreak havoc. Now India is justified aggressors. What you are claiming as a victory is something that has eluded US and their allies.​

ohh I absolutely agree with you on this .... there is no solution at all to the Jihadi ideology .... all the Indian military can do is make it very very expensive for the scumbags to think about it again. This is about the best we can do. And if you think having a dialogue with these rats is the way to go believe me its actually even more counter productive ... because the way their brains are wired they process any such efforts thru dialogues as a sign of India's weakness.

The other way to look at it is in Kashmir the economy was booming and now its just vanished. Who will bear the brunt of it ? Mostly Kashmiri Muslims. So hope that lesson sinks into that population that without the Hindus visiting them they will be the ones who will suffer the harsh economic consequences therefore its in their own interest to stop supporting such rats.​

Honestly that's the sad reality and it hurts India, as well as Pakistan, in fact the whole region. Let us not get confused though what this really was. It was just an attempt from Modi to flex his imaginary muscles and now it has blown up in his face.

How so? last I checked it was pakistan's mai-baaps that stepped in and stopped the beat down no ? If anything he has called the Nuclear bluff of your rogue gernails again unlike his pusillanimous predecessor.

here: https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/10/asia/india-pakistan-ceasefire-explainer-latam-intl
 
ohh I absolutely agree with you on this .... there is no solution at all to the Jihadi ideology .... all the Indian military can do is make it very very expensive for the scumbags to think about it again. This is about the best we can do. And if you think having a dialogue with these rats is the way to go believe me its actually even more counter productive ... because the way their brains are wired they process any such efforts thru dialogues as a sign of India's weakness.

The other way to look at it is in Kashmir the economy was booming and now its just vanished. Who will bear the brunt of it ? Mostly Kashmiri Muslims. So hope that lesson sinks into that population that without the Hindus visiting them they will be the ones who will suffer the harsh economic consequences therefore its in their own interest to stop supporting such rats.​



How so? last I checked it was pakistan's mai-baaps that stepped in and stopped the beat down no ? If anything he has called the Nuclear bluff of your rogue gernails again unlike his pusillanimous predecessor.

here: https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/10/asia/india-pakistan-ceasefire-explainer-latam-intl
If they are Pakistan’s mai baaps and not yours, you didn’t have to listen to them and could have continued to fight if you had us on the mat?

Maybe go back to your leadership and ask them why they listened to our mai baaps?

Think of how much sense does your statement make?

Let us not fool ourselves here. This was a stalemate and the way India refused to stop the exchange on the LOc is going to result in more disgruntled people in IOK.

None of that augurs well for India. Your idiotic leadership has well and truly shot themselves in the foot. Trump is already talking about India and pakistan resolving the Kashmir issue again. And I don’t think I need to remind you it’s the IOK he is talking about. That’s another self goal by you guys.
 
If they are Pakistan’s mai baaps and not yours, you didn’t have to listen to them and could have continued to fight if you had us on the mat?

Maybe go back to your leadership and ask them why they listened to our mai baaps?

Think of how much sense does your statement make?

India did not go begging to the USA this is a hard fact thats difficult for the green keyboard warriors on PP to come to terms with. The only reason why India stopped is because they had more than achieved their objectives.


Let us not fool ourselves here. This was a stalemate and the way India refused to stop the exchange on the LOc is going to result in more disgruntled people in IOK.

None of that augurs well for India. Your idiotic leadership has well and truly shot themselves in the foot. Trump is already talking about India and pakistan resolving the Kashmir issue again. And I don’t think I need to remind you it’s the IOK he is talking about. That’s another self goal by you guys.

He can yap whatever he wants to .... nothing is going to change in the near future as far as Kashmir is concerned. ... however what is absolutely clear is that every time there is a terror attack Pakistan will get a proper pounding. No amount of nuke threats will deter India. Thats a big win right there. And then there is the Indus water treaty. So not sure what the keyboard warriors on PP are celebrating about ?
 
India did not go begging to the USA this is a hard fact thats difficult for the green keyboard warriors on PP to come to terms with. The only reason why India stopped is because they had more than achieved their objectives.




He can yap whatever he wants to .... nothing is going to change in the near future as far as Kashmir is concerned. ... however what is absolutely clear is that every time there is a terror attack Pakistan will get a proper pounding. No amount of nuke threats will deter India. Thats a big win right there. And then there is the Indus water treaty. So not sure what the keyboard warriors on PP are celebrating about ?
Well that would be your opinion, which is wrong - in my opinion 😛.

Let us keep an eye on independent neutral assessments. You guys did lose aircraft close to 3/4 billion dollars and a battery of two of your missile defense system. I guess those were acceptable losses for you guys. Who am I to say.

The neutral sources are already backing the aircraft loss claims, i suspect the defensive system claims would be confirmed as well in a few days.
 
Congratulations to all.

PAF has now been given the additional responsibility of defending Earth against aliens as the first level of defense.

Also in a tribute to PAF, Lockheed has now decided to name its next 6th gen fighter jet as Shehbaz which will only come in green colour and will be built entirely in Sialkot.
Gozilla ? Are you there ??:coffee:
 
Well that would be your opinion, which is wrong - in my opinion 😛.

Let us keep an eye on independent neutral assessments. You guys did lose aircraft close to 3/4 billion dollars and a battery of two of your missile defense system. I guess those were acceptable losses for you guys. Who am I to say.

The neutral sources are already backing the aircraft loss claims, i suspect the defensive system claims would be confirmed as well in a few days.

What are you saying .... Pak did not suffer any losses other than innocent crows ? lol
 
Pakistan must stay sharp on all fronts, military, diplomatic, and water infrastructure, because as long as India continues down the path of religious extremism under a Hindutva led government, another conflict isn’t a question of if, but when. Until India realizes that going to war over water carries irreversible consequences, preparation is Pakistan’s only rational response.
Water threats are only for Indian public consumption. India doesn't have the infrastructure to store and divert large quantities of water. Although, Pakistan should make it a top most priority and let the Indians know that it is willing to go to any lengths if IWT is violated.
 
What are you saying .... Pak did not suffer any losses other than innocent crows ? lol
Damage to the airbases? Airstrips? Civilian casualties?

Sure. The civilian casualties blood is on your hands, hope you feel good.

The airstrips can be repaired and become operational in days. So far no claims from even Indiendia far as I can tell or verifiable neutral sources that we lost any aircraft. If anything our air superiority has been validated.

Those are gains you cannot put a dollar figure on. So maybe you have such claims too. Like I said maybe that damage was expected so doesn’t matter to you. That’s why it’s a stalemate.

The internal repercussions in each country, however, are a different story. If you want I can open a separate thread where the Indians themselves are highlighting the failures of their leadership. No such thing on our side.
 
Water threats are only for Indian public consumption. India doesn't have the infrastructure to store and divert large quantities of water. Although, Pakistan should make it a top most priority and let the Indians know that it is willing to go to any lengths if IWT is violated.
What can Pakistan do? Attack India? They cannot fight any sustained war.

Pakistan going to any lengths is not a threat anyone buys. Outside of nukes what can it do?
 
So no terror camps were destroyed, no terrorists were killed ( only crows weer impacted ), No janaza attented by Pak Gernails with coffins covered in your national flag.. etc etc ?
Aqal kay andhay, why did you wait for pak to strike you in 26 places as said by your own Col Sophia before deciding you had “completed your objectives”.

India did not go begging to the USA this is a hard fact thats difficult for the green keyboard warriors on PP to come to terms with. The only reason why India stopped is because they had more than achieved their objectives.
India did not go begging to the USA this is a hard fact thats difficult for the green keyboard warriors on PP to come to terms with. The only reason why India stopped is because they had more than achieved their objectives.




He can yap whatever he wants to .... nothing is going to change in the near future as far as Kashmir is concerned. ... however what is absolutely clear is that every time there is a terror attack Pakistan will get a proper pounding. No amount of nuke threats will deter India. Thats a big win right there. And then there is the Indus water treaty. So not sure what the keyboard warriors on PP are celebrating about ?
Aqal kay andhay. Why did India realise they had “achieved their objectives” after getting bombed in “26 places” as mentioned by Col Sophia.

You had no objectives. The only reason you sent drones and missiles to the airbases was because PAF pounded the living daylights out of IAF the night before and the world started laughing at IAF and India. You guys gave Rafale a bad publicity. Since you couldnt take on PAF in the sky you tried to save some face and got pounded again the next morning only to realise you had “ completed your objectives”.

Unbelievely dumb this Saffron lot.
 
Aqal kay andhay, why did you wait for pak to strike you in 26 places as said by your own Col Sophia before deciding you had “completed your objectives”.

India did not go begging to the USA this is a hard fact thats difficult for the green keyboard warriors on PP to come to terms with. The only reason why India stopped is because they had more than achieved their objectives.


Aqal kay andhay. Why did India realise they had “achieved their objectives” after getting bombed in “26 places” as mentioned by Col Sophia.

You had no objectives. The only reason you sent drones and missiles to the airbases was because PAF pounded the living daylights out of IAF the night before and the world started laughing at IAF and India. You guys gave Rafale a bad publicity. Since you couldnt take on PAF in the sky you tried to save some face and got pounded again the next morning only to realise you had “ completed your objectives”.

Unbelievely dumb this Saffron lot.
I wanted to reply the guy but then decided not to waste my energy on it. The brainless idiots are high on the waste Cola incapable of thinking rationally.
 
What can Pakistan do? Attack India? They cannot fight any sustained war.

Pakistan going to any lengths is not a threat anyone buys. Outside of nukes what can it do?
Paķistan has shown what it can do. There is a reason your military lady was begging for de-escalation just when we got serious.
 
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