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Pakistan International Airlines is investigating how seven extra passengers were allowed to stand in the aisles on a flight to Saudi Arabia, a spokesman told the BBC.
The passengers were allowed on the 20 January flight to Medina despite every seat being filled, the airline said.

Details of the flight have only emerged now because of extensive investigations by Dawn newspaper.

Staff had issued additional handwritten boarding passes, the paper reported.
Such an over-crowded flight would have caused problems in an emergency evacuation, aviation experts said, and passengers would not have had access to oxygen if it was suddenly required.

The flight in question went from Karachi to Medina carrying a total of 416 passengers, on a Boeing 777 with a total seating capacity of 409, including staff seats.

Dawn accuses Pakistan's Civil Aviation Authority of "not taken punitive action against the airline or its staffers for putting the passengers' lives at risk".

The newspaper quoting airline sources accuses PIA ground traffic staff of issuing handwritten - rather than computer-generated - boarding passes to the extra passengers.

It quotes flight captain Anwer Adil as insisting that he was not told about the extra passengers until after take-off.

"I … noticed [that] some people were those who were categorically refused jump [staff] seats by me at the check-in counter before the flight", he was quoted by Dawn as saying.
"I had already taken off and the senior purser did not inform me about extra passengers before closing the aircraft door.

"Therefore after take-off [any] immediate landing back at Karachi was not possible as it required a lot of fuel dumping which was not in the interest of the airline."

PIA spokesman Danyal Gilani told the BBC that "the matter is under investigation and appropriate action will be taken once responsibility is fixed".

When asked how long the inquiry will take, he said it was "not possible to put a time frame on it".

In December, all 48 people on board a PIA plane were killed when it crashed in the north of the country.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39081476
 
[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] is this possible?How is this usually addressed?
 
The captain's
excuse for not turning back was that he didn't want to waste fuel lol.

Capt Anwer Adil, who operated that flight, maintains that the computer-generated sheet did not show excess passengers. He said: “After takeoff when I came out of cockpit, Ms Turab informed me that there were some extra people who [had been] boarded by the traffic staff. I also noticed some people were those who were categorically refused jump seats by me at the check in counter before the flight. I had already taken off and the senior purse did not inform me about extra passengers before closing the aircraft door. Therefore after takeoff immediate landing back at Karachi was not possible as it required lot of fuel dumping which was not in the interest of the airline.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1316682
 
why can't you not land with a full fuel tank?
 
PIA should be allowed to go bankrupt... and started afresh. It's been ruined by years of political influence and appointees. A shocking reminder how civilian governments in Pakistan corrupt and ruin any institution that works.

Handwritten boarding passes.... what the hell!!
 
PIA should be allowed to go bankrupt... and started afresh. It's been ruined by years of political influence and appointees. A shocking reminder how civilian governments in Pakistan corrupt and ruin any institution that works.

Handwritten boarding passes.... what the hell!!

As they say democracy is the best revenge! :zardari
 
Overcrowding in planes is common in Africa.

I missed my 6 pm Friday night flight from Namibia to Cape Town. The booking lady told next flight would be at 8pm but it was fully sold out and there would be no more flights from Namibia to Cape Town until Monday.

She told me weather to Cape Town was good and there would be no turbulence and she asked me if I was prepared to stand. I agreed
 
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And PIA had a four star plus Skytrax rating from 1999 and 2007?

Bhai kisi cheaz ko banda lightly be le leta he koi mazak ke mood main be ho skta he :D Wese PIA success was was under a four star (later become 5 star) back in 60s
 
Bhai kisi cheaz ko banda lightly be le leta he koi mazak ke mood main be ho skta he :D Wese PIA success was was under a four star (later become 5 star) back in 60s

Noor Khan was a Field Marshall?
 
why can't you not land with a full fuel tank?

It's a weight issue - commercial aircrafts carry 100-200 tonnes of fuel.

An overweight landing can damage a plane - landing puts more strain on an aircraft than taking off so the maximum landing weight is always less than the maximum takeout off weight.
 
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It's a weight issue - commercial aircrafts carry 100-200 tonnes of fuel.

An overweight landing can damage a plane - landing puts more strain on an aircraft than taking off so the maximum landing weight is always less than the maximum takeout off weight.

Newer planes can land with a full tank(this was a 777) as long as you perform certain checks on the wings and landing gear afterwards.
 
It's a weight issue - commercial aircrafts carry 100-200 tonnes of fuel.

An overweight landing can damage a plane - landing puts more strain on an aircraft than taking off so the maximum landing weight is always less than the maximum takeout off weight.

you cant land with a full fuel tank!
 
Really? What happens if there is an emergency just after take off? Someone falls ill? Some instrument is faulty? Etc?

This explains it a little.

Do airplanes routinely dump their fuel before landing?

As we mentioned, the difference between maximum takeoff weight and maximum landing weight for a large commercial aircraft can be more than 200,000 pounds. But let's say that soon after takeoff a passenger on board has a medical emergency that requires an early landing, or the captain becomes aware of a maintenance problem that requires attention. Neither of these situations are uncommon.

The pilot will have a few options. He or she may choose to fly around in order to burn fuel. In this case, the pilot can drop the gear or flaps to help a plane burn fuel faster (or "dirty up the airplane") [source: Getline]. However, this option is less than ideal for a medical emergency.

Another solution is to eject fuel. This can be as easy as the flip of a switch in the cockpit. The system consists of pumps and valves designed to let fuel jettison from nozzles on the wings of the aircraft. Such a system can eject thousands of pounds of fuel per minute, and it looks like a contrail when it's released [source: Scott].

Not all planes are equipped with this sophisticated system, however. FAA spokesperson Alison Duquette says that narrow-body planes, like the Airbus A320 or the Boeing 757, aren't built with fuel dumping abilities. But larger, wide-body planes, like the Boeing 777 and 747, which have added tanks, can dump fuel. In fact, the FAA requires certain planes to have fuel jettison systems [source: GPO].

Thankfully, most of the fuel will evaporate before it even hits the ground. This is more likely on warmer days and when an aircraft is high up in the atmosphere -- ideally above 5,000 feet (1,524 meters). Because fuel jettison isn't very common and is done in emergency-type situations, Duquette says the FAA doesn't have hard-and-fast regulations about it, and air traffic controllers will help pilots in the process, keeping them separated from other aircraft.

The last option in an emergency is to simply land overweight. In fact, Boeing maintains that neither landing overweight nor fuel dumping has led to any accidents [source: Colella]. In an emergency, when time is of the essence, landing overweight could be the best option. However, when you have time, damage to the plane (and the inspections and repairs that could entail) could be costlier than fuel dumping. What to do is largely a judgment call by the pilot in an individual situation.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/flight/modern/planes-dump-fuel-before-landing1.htm
 
Noor Khan was a Field Marshall?

So you blame a dictator running the govt (not PIA) only when PIA was on decline but you don't remember another dictator running the govt when PIA was going up? Bhai ghalti se aik joke kerdya revenge wala ap to serious he le gae itna :(
 
So you blame a dictator running the govt (not PIA) only when PIA was on decline but you don't remember another dictator running the govt when PIA was going up? Bhai ghalti se aik joke kerdya revenge wala ap to serious he le gae itna :(

I don't hold either of them responsible. The Mush reference was in response to the revenge wala reference to highlight that it was doing just as poorly during a dictatorship because governments don't personally micromanage PIA, they let their henchmen do so and those people tend to be the same regardless of system of governance. The rot has been ongoing since the tail end of the Bhutto era. It's hard to convey tone on the internet so the democracy reference appeared serious which I found distasteful.
 
[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] is this possible?How is this usually addressed?

It only happens in case of emergencies like natural disasters. An example is Air India packing its 747s to the gills from Amman to Bombay to evacuate Indian citizens from Kuwait, where no heed was particularly paid to the seating capacity of the aircraft. Operation Rahat in Yemen with the A321s is another recent instance.

This was just lax by the crew and the captain should be hauled up.
 
The pilot is reportedly partial to Airbus rather than the Boeing he is forced to fly. Rumor has it that he calls the head steward the conductor, and had "pass ker, yaa bardaasht ker" and "dekh magar pyaar sey" stenciled on the back of the plane.
 
PIA crew detained, aircraft 'thoroughly searched' at London airport

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PIA crew detained, aircraft 'thoroughly searched' at London airport

LONDON: British authorities on Monday detained the crew of a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight after it landed at Heathrow Airport.

The flight was also thoroughly searched for over two hours after landing, PIA spokesperson Mashhood Tajwar said. Flight PK-785 from Islamabad to London arrived at Heathrow Airport at 2:50pm on Monday.

Upon landing, as passengers disembarked, the flight crew and aircraft were searched by authorities, the spokesperson said. The 14 crew members were released after being detained for nearly two hours, he added.

However, the reason as to why the crew was detained is not yet known. Tajwar said nothing was found on the plane during investigation and they plan to take up the case with authorities concerned.

In February, a Heathrow-bound PIA aircraft was intercepted and escorted by fighter jets to Stansted Airport in northeast London because of a “vague security threat”. Later, a suspect was arrested and charged with fraud and misrepresentation by Met Police.


Khalid Baqa, the 52-year-old suspect had previously been jailed for two years in 2012, after being charged with three counts of possession of terrorist material and one count of dissemination of terrorist material.

Upon landing, as passengers disembarked, the flight crew and aircraft were searched by authorities, the spokesperson said. The 14 crew members were released after being detained for nearly two hours, he added.

However, the reason as to why the crew was detained is not yet known. Tajwar said nothing was found on the plane during investigation and they plan to take up the case with authorities concerned.

In February, a Heathrow-bound PIA aircraft was intercepted and escorted by fighter jets to Stansted Airport in northeast London because of a “vague security threat”. Later, a suspect was arrested and charged with fraud and misrepresentation by Met Police.

Khalid Baqa, the 52-year-old suspect had previously been jailed for two years in 2012, after being charged with three counts of possession of terrorist material and one count of dissemination of terrorist material.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1410919/pia-crew-detained-aircraft-thoroughly-searched-london-airport/
 
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