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Pakistan bowled out for 273 in the first innings on Day 3 as England opt to enforce follow-on

Wasim should only be doi g wrist position analysis. No one wants to know whats written on the screen.
 
Mamoon said:
For overrating mediocre players. When people claimed that 5-6 Pakistani players would walk into a combined Pakistan-England XI and Naseem would blow England away, then they deserve to be humiliated.
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1/2 posters did. It wasn't the whole fanbase. At times you see a few comments and associate all Pakistan fans with that which is unfair.
 
Junaids said:
Imam has actually showed a bit of something outside Asia.

In South Africa he scored:
0 and 57
8 and 6
43 and 35

So he made 149 runs in 3 Tests.

Azhar scored 59 runs in those 3 Tests (and Shafiq scored 176 runs).

So I think that Imam deserves a few matches more than Azhar Ali does.
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Two fifties in 14 innings outside Asia at a mindblowing average of 24. Yes he's the answer to our problems.

As if Azhar Ali is the benchmark of competent batting. If anything, Imam should be compared to another left handed opener Taufiq Umar who in 2002/03 against a better South African attack averaged 70. Imam is half the batsman Taufiq is.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] i see where you are coming from and know your love for all rounders and true all rounders are worth their weight in gold but they are like unicorns, and your are trying to make two all rounder out of Railu Kattas or bits and pieces players, when push come to shove they will not be even 25% batsman and 25% bowler. Maybe shadab as second spinner with some good offie to bring variety as second spinner in Asia but for that he will have to improve his game vs spin as batsman at seventh, as per project Fahim, we have already given him way longer rope than what he deserve.
 
Firebat said:
A tour in which Imam averaged 25 and scored 1 half century is still enough to merit a place in this side.
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That’s where we are thanks to Misbah.

Inzamam left a starting eleven with 8 players aged 21-30. Misbah has reduced that from 8 to 2.

An entire generation of batsmen and bowlers has been discarded. Misbah took 29 players to England, but Imam was his only spare batsman in that peak age range.

Misbah’s wrecking work means that a competent new Chief Selector is going to have to re-examine the likes of Imam and Sami Aslam. As well as evaluating guys like Imran Butt and Zeeshan Malik whom Misbah has just ignored.
 
Mamoon said:
For overrating mediocre players. When people claimed that 5-6 Pakistani players would walk into a combined Pakistan-England XI and Naseem would blow England away, then they deserve to be humiliated.
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You are judging England team playing at home in tbeir overcast conditions.Even yhen they lostfirst test to WI and almost lost to Pak. Second being honours even.
 
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POMS please do us a favor and get these two ASAP, because don't wanna these two going forward because they have zero use long term. And we already have enough of seniors crap to deal with.
 
PakPremi said:
You are judging England team playing at home in tbeir overcast conditions.Even yhen they lostfirst test to WI and almost lost to Pak. Swcond being honours even.
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The hype was also considering that the games will be played in UK.... or by any chance, was there any reason to think that the games will be shifted to UAE?
 
Would be interesting to see how Fawad plays a pull shot.
 
Fawad will smack and pull and hook this good for nothing useless Archer out of attack. Rain just saved Archer from the inevitable phainty for the time being.
 
Zeshan547 said:
POMS please do us a favor and get these two ASAP, because don't wanna these two going forward because they have zero use long term. And we already have enough of seniors crap to deal with.
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Exactly. We are loosing the match anyway, might end Azhar career with this.
 
Forward Defensive Push said:
How did we even select this guy in the final XI??? Are our batting stocks so bad!?
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Even worse - if only could you have the eyes to see that. And, it’s not new that players at PAK bench or outside squad enjoy a hyper inflation in their stock price.
 
Zeshan547 said:
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] i see where you are coming from and know your love for all rounders and true all rounders are worth their weight in gold but they are like unicorns, and your are trying to make two all rounder out of Railu Kattas or bits and pieces players, when push come to shove they will not be even 25% batsman and 25% bowler. Maybe shadab as second spinner with some good offie to bring variety as second spinner in Asia but for that he will have to improve his game vs spin as batsman at seventh, as per project Fahim, we have already given him way longer rope than what he deserve.
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Look at Naseem and Shaheen. They are bowling at 135K because there is no fourth quick. And they are diminished as bowlers because of it.

All-rounders are how you get around this.

When England won in Australia in 2010-11, Tim Bresnan was the fourth quick who could bat. But he wasn’t Test class in either discipline. He ended up with a Test batting average of 26 and bowling average of 33, and is what Faheem can be at Number 8.

I will never accept that you pick four Number 11’s if they are your four best bowlers.

If, like Pakistan, the talent pool is a bit limited, you pick your best 2 bowlers, your next best bowler who can bat a bit, and then two more bowlers chosen for their batting reliability - not their bowling.

For me, the first three cricketers on my Pakistan Test timesheet are Rizwan, then Babar, then Shadab.
 
The problem is you guys thinking anyone else in Pakistan cricket would be doing any better here. England have bowled a lot better than Pakistan and the ball is still bouncing and swinging around. Haris Sohail would be sitting duck as well. Archer is bowling some unplayable deliveries.
 
Why they take Lunch now????
 
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[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] then how come Pak have won many matches with this four man combo plus some other teams also, and many teams have lost with even 5 bowlers, it's ideal to have good all rounders but problem is we don't have one and in trying to make one the return will be even worse than specialists.
 
MMHS said:
The hype was also considering that the games will be played in UK.... or by any chance, was there any reason to think that the games will be shifted to UAE?
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As Hasan 123 said there may have been few posters that hyped,most posters always claimed that Pak swniors have served their time and should no longer be selected. As for Pak bowlersthey have done well in forts two tests despite having only 4 bowlers attack and two being rookies. Real difference between Pak and England is in the all round department woakes, broad, bess and even archer all capable in batting, and Pak have 3 no 11s.
 
Hope England is not robbed off another test. Rain has actually played for Pakistan, this was a whitewash. England played so clinically and superbly they deserve this whitewash. It also has a trouble making selection committee. They dont let any of their good players settle. Buttler is a gem of a player as well as Hales. But English selectors have toiled with their careers. Buttler keeps coming back. Compare this machine to pcb xi that is carrying seniors with averages of 9 and 10 and give excuse of experience. The only Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq have is helping their own team lose.
 
Junaids said:
Look at Naseem and Shaheen. They are bowling at 135K because there is no fourth quick. And they are diminished as bowlers because of it.

All-rounders are how you get around this.

When England won in Australia in 2010-11, Tim Bresnan was the fourth quick who could bat. But he wasn’t Test class in either discipline. He ended up with a Test batting average of 26 and bowling average of 33, and is what Faheem can be at Number 8.

I will never accept that you pick four Number 11’s if they are your four best bowlers.

If, like Pakistan, the talent pool is a bit limited, you pick your best 2 bowlers, your next best bowler who can bat a bit, and then two more bowlers chosen for their batting reliability - not their bowling.

For me, the first three cricketers on my Pakistan Test timesheet are Rizwan, then Babar, then Shadab.
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May be you can think about the other possibility as well - they are bowling so long because they are just not good enough to take wickets, otherwise that cursed Leggi guy broke England’s middle order by 3rd hour of first day.

Boss, you can make every twist of the story - I’ll come back to remind you that this state of this match or the series is because of massive, massive failure for the cyborg version or Starc and the incarnation of Fred Truman, the 2nd greatest fast bowler ever. There were five bowlers at OT, 277 on board to defend and ENG were at one point 117/5, then you know......

The moral of the story - stop hyping players unduly... then your ego will force you to defend your theory desperately later.
 
Shame about Fawad technique he is a gutsy and thinking cricketer. He will score lots of runs in sub continent.
 
MMHS said:
Why they take Lunch now????
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There's going to be a delay anyway. Would you rather they restarted in 45 minutes and played half an hour then take lunch? This is a good decision.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Asad got out under unfavourable conditions. Not easy it was for anyone. Even Lara would have got.out like that
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I can't agree with that. Pushing his hands out at the ball when you need to play under your head. Schoolboy stuff as he has got out like that a million times, getting drawn to the ball
 
Why does everybody want it to rain, surely as supporters we want our guys to experience trying to get through this game and improve under the pressure they will be facing.
If we get to a point where we can bat out for a draw, that would feel like a win!
I don't want it to rain, want to see some fight, who's gonna stand up, and whose gonna shy away.

We ain't getting top 2 in test championship now so lets see the boys willpower. The series is lost anyway.

Typical Pakistani mentality of the fans
 
PakPremi said:
As Hasan 123 said there may have been few posters that hyped,most posters always claimed that Pak swniors have served their time and should no longer be selected. As for Pak bowlersthey have done well in forts two tests despite having only 4 bowlers attack and two being rookies. Real difference between Pak and England is in the all round department woakes, broad, bess and even archer all capable in batting, and Pak have 3 no 11s.
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Your this post itself is a denial - you didn’t learn anything yet or are not ready to learn & accept.

No, the real difference between the two sides is what I wrote in the series prediction thread - England is far superior in batting, bowling, fielding & captaincy ... and they are playing at home. All-round capacity has just added brutality in their dominance- it was never a fair contest and remember- this is England without probably the best cricketer in world right now.

What Hasan said fits his mouth, because he is one who always try to normalise the hypers, tries to bring a sanity in the fantasy - not you. If you really think that what Hasan said is the fact then try to follow him - next time which ever “fan” tries to troll PAK cricket with “over enthusiasm of tal*nt”, reticule him, not saying harshly, but logically. You’ll earn my respect for sure.
 
Firebat said:
There's going to be a delay anyway. Would you rather they restarted in 45 minutes and played half an hour then take lunch? This is a good decision.
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They have taken early lunch - that’s logical considering the weather forecast. B
 
sindhiboy said:
Whats younis writing in his notebook?
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PakPremi said:
You are judging England team playing at home in tbeir overcast conditions.Even yhen they lostfirst test to WI and almost lost to Pak. Second being honours even.
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The second was not honors even. See that is the problem with our fan base - they have their eyes open but they cannot see.

Buttler, Root, Woakes, Curran and Bess would have taken England to around 300 from 110/4 against a bowling attack that always fizzles out after the first 30-40 overs. That happens primarily due to their own deficiencies and also because they are led by someone who does not deserve to be called captain.

Pakistan would have started their second innings trailing by 60-70 runs, which means another third innings capitulation with England chasing 220-240 type total with 4 or 5 wickets in hand.

Basically a repeat of the first Test. This Pakistan bowling attack led on the field by Azhar and in the dressing room by Misbah have no capacity to take 20 wickets against any formidable opponent.
 
Rain expected whole day tomorrow and tuesday. It appears to me that Pakistan might escape here with a lucky draw. I think Eng wouldnt mind as long as Anderson gets 600 since the series is already won.
 
MMHS said:
Your this post itself is a denial - you didn’t learn anything yet or are not ready to learn & accept.

No, the real difference between the two sides is what I wrote in the series prediction thread - England is far superior in batting, bowling, fielding & captaincy ... and they are playing at home. All-round capacity has just added brutality in their dominance- it was never a fair contest and remember- this is England without probably the best cricketer in world right now.

What Hasan said fits his mouth, because he is one who always try to normalise the hypers, tries to bring a sanity in the fantasy - not you. If you really think that what Hasan said is the fact then try to follow him - next time which ever “fan” tries to troll PAK cricket with “over enthusiasm of tal*nt”, reticule him, not saying harshly, but logically. You’ll earn my respect for sure.
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There are threads Pak pasters claiming Babar or Bust, and Azhar and Asad are now useless. So as I said most Pak fans have acknowledged Pak weaknesses. This is probably Pak weakest team, with talented players low in experience and experienced ones should have been removed long time ago due to inconsistencies, especially in Sena. All that siad England have lost a test to much lower rank team WI and also nearly lost a test to the other lower team Pakistan but for the cluelesss captaincy. If Stokes played Crawley would havemissed out so I think atleast in this test match they have not missed him. They have plenty of bowlers in this team as well.
So my point is that Pak despite their weknesses have had aome opportunities and plenty good sessions in the series where they could have turned tables on England, but at the end England deserve credit for the results so far. Pak think tank need to seriously think about bringing in some experiwnce in pace attack and have an off spinner. Bowlers who bat are invaluable and England have a massive advantage here, this is how they won the only test match so far in this series
 
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Mamoon said:
The second was not honors even. See that is the problem with our fan base - they have their eyes open but they cannot see.

Buttler, Root, Woakes, Curran and Bess would have taken England to around 300 from 110/4 against a bowling attack that always fizzles out after the first 30-40 overs. That happens primarily due to their own deficiencies and also because they are led by someone who does not deserve to be called captain.

Pakistan would have started their second innings trailing by 60-70 runs, which means another third innings capitulation with England chasing 220-240 type total with 4 or 5 wickets in hand.

Basically a repeat of the first Test. This Pakistan bowling attack led on the field by Azhar and in the dressing room by Misbah have no capacity to take 20 wickets against any formidable opponent.
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No the batting conditions had become very difficult and all bowlers were beating the bat, so you can speculate that England would have gone past 300 had the rain not interrupted but I did not think so. As for the amount of cricket that was played honours was most certainly even.
 
PakPremi said:
As Hasan 123 said there may have been few posters that hyped,most posters always claimed that Pak swniors have served their time and should no longer be selected. As for Pak bowlersthey have done well in forts two tests despite having only 4 bowlers attack and two being rookies. Real difference between Pak and England is in the all round department woakes, broad, bess and even archer all capable in batting, and Pak have 3 no 11s.
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The hype around the bowling was hilarious. Even the pundits and commentators have stopped talking about Naseem.

Must be thinking what was all the fuss about
 
Thing I like with Barber is he scores runs, he makes some sort of counter attack.

Azhar Ali the other hand Misbah 2.0 is tuk tuk tuk tuk, and in these conditions one is going to have your name on it. I’m not saying go berserk as these are tough conditions but need to have some intent. At this rate he will be 22 (110) is pointless. Need have some intent to score runs and get the opposition on the back foot
 
MMHS said:
Your this post itself is a denial - you didn’t learn anything yet or are not ready to learn & accept.

No, the real difference between the two sides is what I wrote in the series prediction thread - England is far superior in batting, bowling, fielding & captaincy ... and they are playing at home. All-round capacity has just added brutality in their dominance- it was never a fair contest and remember- this is England without probably the best cricketer in world right now.

What Hasan said fits his mouth, because he is one who always try to normalise the hypers, tries to bring a sanity in the fantasy - not you. If you really think that what Hasan said is the fact then try to follow him - next time which ever “fan” tries to troll PAK cricket with “over enthusiasm of tal*nt”, reticule him, not saying harshly, but logically. You’ll earn my respect for sure.
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not that they're not talented but you'd think we are actually seeing cyborg versions of Starc and Truman with the hype train around the 2 young bowlers. To say nothing of how junaids boss keeps blowing smoke up the backside of this place every time a series begins in SENA with his cherry picking analysis. Is calling a spade a spade that hard?
 
castortroy said:
The hype around the bowling was hilarious. Even the pundits and commentators have stopped talking about Naseem.

Must be thinking what was all the fuss about
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Agree with but they are only starting their test careers. Indian bowlers Shami and Sharma also took time ro become as good as tbey are now Similarly Archer has not done much in tbe two series played so far. Expereince matters a lot. 4 bowler attack also does not help. Need a pace bowling all rounder.
 
Fawad is a walking wicket. He’s going to be out soon as he gets one decent ball.
 
Alam has fashioned himself a lot like Jadeja, hasn't he? Maybe he follows the latter on instagram.
 
Good captain's knock by Azhar so far. If he scores a match saving century here, lots of people will eat humble pie :misbah:
 
Ever since Fawad has arrived he has made Ali looks so elegant. Actually AA looking good now
 
MMHS said:
May be you can think about the other possibility as well - they are bowling so long because they are just not good enough to take wickets, otherwise that cursed Leggi guy broke England’s middle order by 3rd hour of first day.

Boss, you can make every twist of the story - I’ll come back to remind you that this state of this match or the series is because of massive, massive failure for the cyborg version or Starc and the incarnation of Fred Truman, the 2nd greatest fast bowler ever. There were five bowlers at OT, 277 on board to defend and ENG were at one point 117/5, then you know......

The moral of the story - stop hyping players unduly... then your ego will force you to defend your theory desperately later.
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I keep explaining, but you don’t listen.

The point of 5 bowlers is to have 4 quicks in SENA, so that the two kids can bowl short, sharp bursts.

Playing two leggies or four leggies or six leggies still leaves only three quicks.

But Abbas, like in the final warm-up match, is bowling slow-medium and striking at around a wicket every 16 overs.

So the two kids have had to bowl excessively long spells and are down on pace.

England have retained four quicks throughout the series, and Anderson and Broad have been quicker than I have seen either of them for many years.

I don’t believe that Bess is half the bowler or batsman that Shadab is. But England’s balance is clear - four quicks at all times outside Asia.
 
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