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Pakistan collapse to 6-run defeat in 4th ODI against Australia despite Abid Ali, M Rizwan hundreds

Lol these people wanted us to settle for Imam ul Haq. Talent will always prevail.
 
Most impressive is Abids approach, he's playing very few dot balls, scoring decently every over.
 
Imam is a good player. I don't understand the hate for him. Shan Masood on the other hand...
 
Hawkeye said:
You won't EVER get those answers.

Inzi, Mickey, Sarfraz - they all hate introducing new potential batsmen.

And, Shan has his dad behind him - top PCB official. It's his dad's dream to see him play.

Imam has Inzi behind him.
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some how you were able to include Sarfi :inti. Sarfi backs young players. His only problem is he doesn't make his 11 but bow down to Inzi/Mickey and management
 
Be excited Pak fans a in form Fakhar, Abid Ali, Babar can be a great top 3. These lads can play shots.
 
iPakistani said:
Lol these people wanted us to settle for Imam ul Haq. Talent will always prevail.
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Well said... they kept saying there is no one better to replace Imam.



In just one innings this lad has looked better than Imam ever did.
 
Haris Sohail needs to stop playing for his place in the side.
 
Hawkeye said:
You won't EVER get those answers.

Inzi, Mickey, Sarfraz - they all hate introducing new potential batsmen.

And, Shan has his dad behind him - top PCB official. It's his dad's dream to see him play.

Imam has Inzi behind him.
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Guy is officially 31+, looks chubby, therefore might not last long - his next drop of form might be his last. But, more than individuals, it's a failure of the system - guy should have been in PAK A at sometimes in 2009-10 when he had couple of great domestic seasons and in Test team within 1-2 years. If not 2009-10, may be in 2013-14, when he had another peak, still officially at U25 - those were the times when Inzi, Mickey or Sarfraz weren't there, but some other people in charge and they did exactly same thing - invested a decade to make a Test opener out of Hafeez ... now Hafeez is replaced by Imam or Shan.
 
Syed1 said:
Well said... they kept saying there is no one better to replace Imam.



In just one innings this lad has looked better than Imam ever did.
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28 balls? Really?

Imam just scored a century and two fifties in SA. This is just silly. You're clearly with heavy bias for whatever reason against Imam, maybe some sort of connection, but Imam stayed because of performance.
 
Having Haris as a partner will put more pressure on Abid Ali. Haris is playing for 150 ball century again. Too many selfish players are the reason for our downfall.
 
With Abid in the mix we can create that right left combination at the top
 
At the other end the lad on debut is playing at 100 SR, and here Harry sahab hardly managing 50 SR.
 
One thing for sure that you should pick batsman in form - Abid had a great domestic season and the confidence, the touch is oozing in his presence. He might be caught out later once better managed teams have enough footage of his batting, but he started with a bang for sure.
 
MMHS said:
Guy is officially 31+, looks chubby, therefore might not last long - his next drop of form might be his last. But, more than individuals, it's a failure of the system - guy should have been in PAK A at sometimes in 2009-10 when he had couple of great domestic seasons and in Test team within 1-2 years. If not 2009-10, may be in 2013-14, when he had another peak, still officially at U25 - those were the times when Inzi, Mickey or Sarfraz weren't there, but some other people in charge and they did exactly same thing - invested a decade to make a Test opener out of Hafeez ... now Hafeez is replaced by Imam or Shan.
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Yeah.

Seems like an honest trier, just doesn't have the right connections or money.

Our system doesn't reward such people 95% of the time. If you don't have connections, forget it.
 
MMHS said:
One thing for sure that you should pick batsman in form - Abid had a great domestic season and the confidence, the touch is oozing in his presence. He might be caught out later once better managed teams have enough footage of his batting, but he started with a bang for sure.
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But his technique is stable, he's not playing hack shots. Guys with good technique always do well.
 
Abid scored a 140 against England Lions ina 50 over match - England Lions had 3 international bowlers (including Mark Wood)
 
HGhazanfar said:
Abid scored a 140 against England Lions ina 50 over match - England Lions had 3 international bowlers (including Mark Wood)
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When was this? And why wasn't he inducted in the squad immediately after that
 
Harry playing like proper tailender since that ton, perhaps thats what he set out to do in his career just get that ton and thats a lid on the career.
 
Another promising talent unearthed by Pakistan's greatest ever selector. A shame that Mickey did not give him his debut earlier though.
 
well despite haris slow pace this is a decent start after losing the wicket in the first over...
 
Bilal7 said:
Another promising talent unearthed by Pakistan's greatest ever selector. A shame that Mickey did not give him his debut earlier though.
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Yeah we are all indebted to Inzi for life...




I don't often agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] but he is 200% right regarding your bias.
 
Imam is proving a performer at international level and in a pressure situation and here people looking for his head but the forget hack and dad dream
 
HGhazanfar said:
Abid scored a 140 against England Lions ina 50 over match - England Lions had 3 international bowlers (including Mark Wood)
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Good stuff.

Failure of our "connections-based" system. Got a sifarish or dad in the PCB? You're in.
 
Harris Sohail should have been the senior partner in this partnership guiding and helping the newbie, instead it looks like Harry is on debut :facepalm:
 
Pak need more players with the ability to rotate strike and go at a sr of 100 or so, like the way Abid is playing.

If he can play like this in the last ODI is well, then he is a much better option than guys like Imam, Haris and Rizwan.
 
Run rate slowed down recently all thanks to Harry
 
Syed1 said:
Harris Sohail should have been the senior partner in this partnership guiding and helping the newbie, instead it looks like Harry is on debut :facepalm:
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Give it time and let him anchor the innings - our RR is still good.
 
Something said:
That’s stupid. What makes you so sure that would’ve been the case? Inzi introduced a lot of new players indeed but had the benefit of PSL. He hasn’t done anything remarkable. Most of the players introduced have been mediocre at best as it is.
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What makes me so sure? History. PSL is not the first domestic competition Pakistan has had and of course a selector would pick players who have done well at the domestic circuit. You argument has no legs to stand on.
 
Man if we lose it will be because of Rizwan's drops and Haris Sohail's innings.
 
Plumb said:
Mickey is truly worse coach in terms of his eye for the talent... Hopefully we get rid of him regardless of the outcome of WC19.
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He's held back Umar Akmal, Junaid Khan, Haris Sohail and a few others. Hopefully, he has seen the error of his ways.
 
Haris's tuk tuk may force Abid to play a lose shot.... just wait and watch.
 
Harry making sure Saad doesn't get an opportunity.

Make the RRR unobtainable so Saad has to play like a hack when he comes.
 
before i start deleting posts - stick to this game - other topics discuss elsewhere
 
HGhazanfar said:
But his technique is stable, he's not playing hack shots. Guys with good technique always do well.
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A batsman scores on three aspects - 1. his technique, 2. his experience, 3. his physical abilities - eye sight, hand-eye, muscle power. At his age, he has very little experience at highest level, he is officially 31, so his physical attributes won't last long; only technique can't carry him long.

For countries that don't have a sound domestic system, only way to develop players is by exposing them at highest level early, may be at U23 (biological, you need adjust country specific official age for that). Mike Hussey could he world's best debuting at 30+, Gilchrist will make AT Test XI debuting at 29+, because these were product of Aussie domestics - in many cases that's a standard higher than International cricket in globalization era (in fact even in 90s, Shield many players had inferior Shefield Shield stats than Test stats) ... for PAK (Or BD/WIN/SRL) players, you have to draft early - the channel between respective domestics and International is wider than Bering Strait.
 
Bilal7 said:
He's held back Umar Akmal, Junaid Khan, Haris Sohail and a few others. Hopefully, he has seen the error of his ways.
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Nope he haven't back to back series lost in UAE is due to not playing 2 proper spinners. which cost us series in SL and UAE but still haven't learn. All he does is yoyo test and big talks in front of the Mic
 
Mueez said:
Yeah I do but it could also be a sign that Imam is definitely going to England and Mickey wants to select the third opener so that’s why Abid Ali and Shan Masood are playing today.
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Abid should have played the first two games as well. Imam has been a lock for the WC for some time now.
 
Syed1 said:
Man if we lose it will be because of Rizwan's drops and Haris Sohail's innings.
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Harry is slow but assured - no need to accelerate yet when Abid is playing so well and RR is still good.
 
Bilal7 said:
Well, you can call it whatever you want but the fact is that all these promising new players have been given their break by Inzamam-ul-Haq.

Anyone else and Kamran Akmal would be opening with Ahmed Shehzad.
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The irony with this gem of a post is the fact that both of these players have been recalled from Inzi in the recent past.
 
5 years in international cricket and haris still looks like a debutant in 250+ runs chase
 
Good technique to play spin from Abid.. Hopefully he keeps this way of batting and not change it.
 
MMHS said:
A batsman scores on three aspects - 1. his technique, 2. his experience, 3. his physical abilities - eye sight, hand-eye, muscle power. At his age, he has very little experience at highest level, he is officially 31, so his physical attributes won't last long; only technique can't carry him long.
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Could still be useful in the World Cup no?
 
This is how Haris Sohail plays. I advise you guys to get used to it so we don't have every match thread clogged up with "harry up" posts.
 
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