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Usama gives too many please-hit-me balls. He won't be able to keep any pressure on England's aggressive batting and isn't skillful enough like Mushy was to compensate for his freebies.
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Pakistan considering playing 2 spinners for 1st Test at Manchester - smart move or folly?
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Usama gives too many please-hit-me balls. He won't be able to keep any pressure on England's aggressive batting and isn't skillful enough like Mushy was to compensate for his freebies.
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Seems like a typical brain dead Misbah decision.
The pitch is seaming about and he plays two spinner, I would have partly understood had he played two different type of spinners, instead he played a has-been and a never-will-be both leggies. Alhumdulilah Misbah ke liyay ikhees toppon ki salami. This guy will again take us to rock bottom in the rankings.
The pitch is seaming about and he plays two spinner, I would have partly understood had he played two different type of spinners, instead he played a has-been and a never-will-be both leggies. Alhumdulilah Misbah ke liyay ikhees toppon ki salami. This guy will again take us to rock bottom in the rankings.
If you think that is weird, this'll blow your mind: Shadab's Test average is 25 runs higher than Ifthikar's
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It's a dry wicket and they have won the toss and batted.
Now Azhar needs to give Yasir proper off-side fields to bowl to, instead of the horrible leg-side fields with which Misbah used to castrate Yasir Shah outside Asia.
Now Azhar needs to give Yasir proper off-side fields to bowl to, instead of the horrible leg-side fields with which Misbah used to castrate Yasir Shah outside Asia.
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Will be an excellent decision when Pak put on 350+
The scoreboard pressure will help spinners.
The scoreboard pressure will help spinners.
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Thinking about Misbahs tactics with Yasir in Australia makes me want to throw up every time. The leg stump line and field. Yikes
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It will be if we are bowling last and runs on the board.
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Now now Amjid - hosla karro
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There is sharp spin on offer - Just need the runs now Pakistan.
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Bumble's comments on spin issue:
"It's a drier pitch than we saw against West Indies - it's firmer as well - so not only is it spinning but off the pitch it is bouncing too.
"This pitch isn't going to go lower. As this game progresses, I think it is going to be fascinating to see how England cope with two leg-spinners."
"It's a drier pitch than we saw against West Indies - it's firmer as well - so not only is it spinning but off the pitch it is bouncing too.
"This pitch isn't going to go lower. As this game progresses, I think it is going to be fascinating to see how England cope with two leg-spinners."
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Misbah on Shadab vs Yasir:
“Ideally you always want different bowlers; If you have a leggie then other should be a finger spinner but sometimes taking into account availability of players and team combination, you have to pick and choose; Shadab has an all-round ability which includes his batting ability; Shadab’s googly is better when the ball breaks on the rough against right-handers and he can be handy in such situations, especially in the 3rd and 4th innings; Yasir is a wicket to wicket type bowler, he is able to bowl to left-handers using rough; Sometimes when there is no help from the wicket then Shadab has a role there; Similarly for left handers, his googly is effective; So the fifth bowlers role where you need an attacking option, is where Shadab is useful and also batting is an advantage, where he had a crucial partnership”
“Ideally you always want different bowlers; If you have a leggie then other should be a finger spinner but sometimes taking into account availability of players and team combination, you have to pick and choose; Shadab has an all-round ability which includes his batting ability; Shadab’s googly is better when the ball breaks on the rough against right-handers and he can be handy in such situations, especially in the 3rd and 4th innings; Yasir is a wicket to wicket type bowler, he is able to bowl to left-handers using rough; Sometimes when there is no help from the wicket then Shadab has a role there; Similarly for left handers, his googly is effective; So the fifth bowlers role where you need an attacking option, is where Shadab is useful and also batting is an advantage, where he had a crucial partnership”
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Legspinners; Pakistan have two of them, while we've added a third into the mix as SHANE WARNE takes a look at this day three surface...
"It looks a fantastic pitch; it's hard, dry and we've seen some great carry. It looks like it's going to spin big - the spinners will have a lot to say.
"As a spinner, you want to plant the seed in a batsman's mind that it's doing a lot, because then your natural variations come in when one doesn't spin as much and they're not sure what line to play at.
"Yasir Shah did that brilliantly and there was enough encouragement with some of his deliveries yesterday that he's going to cause the England batsmen some issues.
"He maybe got a little bit too excited, though, a little too impatient and he started to rush everything he did."
"It looks a fantastic pitch; it's hard, dry and we've seen some great carry. It looks like it's going to spin big - the spinners will have a lot to say.
"As a spinner, you want to plant the seed in a batsman's mind that it's doing a lot, because then your natural variations come in when one doesn't spin as much and they're not sure what line to play at.
"Yasir Shah did that brilliantly and there was enough encouragement with some of his deliveries yesterday that he's going to cause the England batsmen some issues.
"He maybe got a little bit too excited, though, a little too impatient and he started to rush everything he did."
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Ok so 2nd spinner not even been used
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Pakistan's 2 spinners grabbed 6 wickets and scored 50 runs between them in the first innings' of this Test match. Misbah's decision vindicated?
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Good way to look at it!
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When will spin come in for Pakistan?
Who first - Shadab or Yasir?
Who first - Shadab or Yasir?
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ok here we go 2 spinners now
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What was the point of selecting Shadab Khan?
I mean wasn't the whole point to have two leg-spinners bowling in tandem?
In the first innings he only bowled 3.3 overs whereas all the other bowlers bowled more than 10.
Right now in the second innings the rest of the bowlers have bowled multiple overs and Shadab is just bowling his 2nd?
What in the world is going on?
Shadab is a bowler first, his batting is developing but it's still too early to rely on him.
The think tank have put in their minds that he's a batsman first and his bowling is a bonus.
They are using him as if he's a bits and pieces player.
Absolutely pathetic.
We were better off selecting a batsman and dropping Rizwan to 7.
Hell even Masood and Azhar Ali could have bowled Shadab's overs. If we do lose this match it'll be because of this blunder.
I mean wasn't the whole point to have two leg-spinners bowling in tandem?
In the first innings he only bowled 3.3 overs whereas all the other bowlers bowled more than 10.
Right now in the second innings the rest of the bowlers have bowled multiple overs and Shadab is just bowling his 2nd?
What in the world is going on?
Shadab is a bowler first, his batting is developing but it's still too early to rely on him.
The think tank have put in their minds that he's a batsman first and his bowling is a bonus.
They are using him as if he's a bits and pieces player.
Absolutely pathetic.
We were better off selecting a batsman and dropping Rizwan to 7.
Hell even Masood and Azhar Ali could have bowled Shadab's overs. If we do lose this match it'll be because of this blunder.
Fawad Alam could have been the difference maker in that 2nd innings when the team was collapsing and maybe getting a few more runs on the board.
Pakistan also basically just have one left handed batsmen in their entire lineup (and tailender Shaheen).
This is why you don't play allrounders in Tests unless they are legitemately good and can win matches with either the bat or bowl. A little bit of this and a little of that simply isn't good enough in Test. Test is a game of specialists.
Pakistan also basically just have one left handed batsmen in their entire lineup (and tailender Shaheen).
This is why you don't play allrounders in Tests unless they are legitemately good and can win matches with either the bat or bowl. A little bit of this and a little of that simply isn't good enough in Test. Test is a game of specialists.
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Well this is it , unless Shadab’s bowling was expected to win you the match And he’s only been given a couple of overs or so in any case - how on earth does he get selected ahead of Fawad Alam as a batting all rounder ?
You could even argue Yasir Shah is almost as good a batsman as Shadab.
You could even argue Yasir Shah is almost as good a batsman as Shadab.
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As Bumble just said on air, you just have to wait for Shadab’s bad balls as a batsman as he gives you at least a couple of long hops an over.
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The forth bowler had to be a pacer
Shadab has had a reasonable game - but Test matches aren't won with bits and pieces cricketers. You needs specialists who can either dig in with the bat, or build pressure over long, high quality bowling spells.
If all you needed was 4-6 overs an innings from the fifth bowler, than Fawad or Shan could have done that.
If all you needed was 4-6 overs an innings from the fifth bowler, than Fawad or Shan could have done that.
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This is it , in test matches you have to be good enough to get into the team as either a specialist batsman or bowler first , then your all rounder credentials add value. Bits and pieces all founders who can at best chip in with 25 runs and take 2 wicket haul once in a while are not offering you any value over a specialist.
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2 spinners
4th inning
Turning pitch
2nd Spinner hardly bowled.....
A very poor decision. If 2nd spinner is not good enough to bowl on last inning on turning pitch then don't play 2nd spinner. If he is good enough then let him bowl.
4th inning
Turning pitch
2nd Spinner hardly bowled.....
A very poor decision. If 2nd spinner is not good enough to bowl on last inning on turning pitch then don't play 2nd spinner. If he is good enough then let him bowl.
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