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This point has never been noticed. Pakistan was better team than Australians in both 1987 and 1999 World Cup Campaigns.

Pakistan has played instrumental part in allowing Australians to win 3 out of 5 World Cup Titles. 1987, Salim Jafar's last over which went for 21 and Rameez Raja's first over mad run out technically sealed our fate. Mudassar Nazar was injured for that game and on top of it crucial wrong bad decision of Dickie Bird on Imran Khan played critical role in our defeat at Gaddafi Stadium. Had Pakistan won that Semi Final, they would have beaten England at Eden Gardens Calcutta in 1987 World Cup Final.

in 1999, Pakistan outclassed Australians in group stages. Bad decision to bat first on spicy wicket by Wasim Akram, costed us the final and Australians again lifted the world cup.

Rahat Ali dropped Shane watson in 2015 world cup quarter final. Had that catch been taken, Aussies would have perished like a pack of cards, they would have been 75/4.

If not 2015, but definitely we played huge part in gifting them 1987 and 1999 world cups. Particularly 1999 triumph gave made them super power in world cricket, they never looked back.
 
Not 2015 coz we were just not going to win. But 1999 hurts the most
 
Wouldn't a better team have won those matches?

In 99 pakistan won a nothing match & then had no answer to the class of Warne once Oz found form.

This thread is the equivalent of saying anyone who beat Pakistan early on in '92 tournament was a better team. They weren't. The best team wins WC matches. Crunch matches. Pretenders win early round games & then wonder what might have been.
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In 2015, Pakistan were a poor fielding team. compared to an great Oz fielding line up. There are 3 facets to cricket, bowling - which Pakistan failed to out bowl Oz sufficiently- batting, which they also failed to outbut sufficiently & fielding, in which you point out the clear weakness they were unable to overcome.

This thread is the equivalent of saying anyone who beat Pakistan early on in '92 tournament was a better team. They weren't. The best team wins WC matches. Crunch matches. Pretenders win early round games & then wonder what might have been.

A better thread title would be- Pakistan has lost 3 crucial WC games to Oz because they were not good enough to win those games.


Accept that, & move on & the team might start to get somewhere.
 
wrongun said:
Wouldn't a better team have won those matches?

In 99 pakistan won a nothing match & then had no answer to the class of Warne once Oz found form.

This thread is the equivalent of saying anyone who beat Pakistan early on in '92 tournament was a better team. They weren't. The best team wins WC matches. Crunch matches. Pretenders win early round games & then wonder what might have been.
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Lol at you talking smack about the 1999 pak team. Pakistan were a world class team in 1999.
 
India could have denied in 2003
SL could have denied in 2007
Pakistan could have have denied in 1999


Fact : They did not.
Result : Australia has a hat-trick of world cups from 1999 to 2007
 
In 1987 if they had third umpire Dean Jones probably would have been given out against Qadir. I think 267 was a very competitive total those days. My only other memory was Bruce Reid sending the stumps cart wheeling. Both India and Pakistan screwed themselves. Atleast Pakistan was up against a top team. India screwed themselves over by not being able to score 50 runs in the last 10 overs with 5 wickets in hand. Atleast pakistan needed like 80 to 90 in the last 10 overs.
 
Mp812 said:
India could have denied in 2003
SL could have denied in 2007
Pakistan could have have denied in 1999


Fact : They did not.
Result : Australia has a hat-trick of world cups from 1999 to 2007
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India could have denied only by batting first. Besides 2003 was the year when Australia was at peak of their powers. 1999 was the starting point. 2003 peak. 2007 many were on the verge of retirement.
 
Delusions of grandeur. This is like Indian's celebrating their WC streak even though majority of the wins were inconsequential matches including 92 where Pak won the WC and 99 where Pak reached the final.
 
Losing winnable match can be called "STOPPING"

West Indies vs Australia 1996 semi final, they absolutely botched chasing 207 total from 165/2. Windies vs Srilanka would have been interesting

South Africa vs Australia 1999 semi final. Another winnable match. SA would have swallowed Pakistan as they were on a 14 match winning streak against Pakistan at that time.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
In 1987 if they had third umpire Dean Jones probably would have been given out against Qadir. I think 267 was a very competitive total those days. My only other memory was Bruce Reid sending the stumps cart wheeling. Both India and Pakistan screwed themselves. Atleast Pakistan was up against a top team. India screwed themselves over by not being able to score 50 runs in the last 10 overs with 5 wickets in hand. Atleast pakistan needed like 80 to 90 in the last 10 overs.
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Dickie Bird gave imran khan caught behind. He apologised to
Imran later on. That was turning point of thst match,
 
1987 was the only time we were consistently better than Aus. 1999 and 2015 we were an inferior team.
 
Nothing wrong with this thread.

It's good to think how things would have panned out otherwise. Makes mortals out of the immortals.

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I want to add some of mine here:

Had Wasim Akram played the 96 quarter final, we would have gone through and who knows? we were the tournament favourites.

Had we bowled first, we would have won the 99 worldcup and than all of a sudden, we would have been the ones with a hat trick and not Australia.


Oh and also, Had Amir and Asif not screwed up, they would have played the 2011 Semi-final in Mohali and seeing how Amir ran through the Indian line up in CT 2017 Final, Mohali would have been a different story too.

Also, had Amir Sohail kept his nerves against Venkatesh Prasad, the 96 Quarter Final was still winable...
 
1999 Aus batting and fielding were better, a better captain as well only bowling Pak were slightly better but lets not forget Shane Warne and Mcgrath were on other side as well.
 
Sarwar89 said:
Dickie Bird gave imran khan caught behind. He apologised to Imran later on.
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Cricket was a gentleman's game back then. not a money-spinning, betting-bazaar like today where it's only purpose of existence is to be milked like a cash cow & keep the fools occupied.

If any umpire gives any indian batsmen out, his career will be over. They even threatened Michael holding to bar him from commentating on what the game has become.
 
There is a difference between Australia and Pakistan. When Australia won in 1999 , they carried there team and won next two as well.

Pakistan after 1992 , could not win the next two or even one.

In 1996 , there mistake was carrying finished Javed Miandad. Just replace him with a batting all rounder , and team would be practically unbeatable.

Aamir Sohail
Saeed Anwar
Inzamam
Ijaz
Salim Malik
All rounder ( Batting )
Rashid Latif
Wasim Akram
Saqlain
Waqar
Mushtaq
 
Pakistan could have stopped australia winning 2 wcs in 87 amd 99.

In 87 we were the favourites to win the wc and the aussie team was a weak team, heck england was cruising to a victory in the final and would have won if gatting didn't play that daft shot to part time bowler, alan border, who was only bowling out if desperation.

In 99, we beat the aussies easily in the group stage but in the final, wasim made the biggest mistake of his cricketing life, after winning the toss, he chose to bat on a dull and overcast day.

In addition, if india won their final in 2003 and sri lanka won their final in 2007, then the big 3 asian sides could have stopped australia from winning 4 of there 5 wcs!

Luckily, SL beat the aussies in 1996, the only asian team to beat australia in a final, otherwise the aussies would have 6 wcs.
 
Captain caveman said:
Pakistan could have stopped australia winning 2 wcs in 87 amd 99.

In 87 we were the favourites to win the wc and the aussie team was a weak team, heck england was cruising to a victory in the final and would have won if gatting didn't play that daft shot to part time bowler, alan border, who was only bowling out if desperation.

In 99, we beat the aussies easily in the group stage but in the final, wasim made the biggest mistake of his cricketing life, after winning the toss, he chose to bat on a dull and overcast day.

In addition, if india won their final in 2003 and sri lanka won their final in 2007, then the big 3 asian sides could have stopped australia from winning 4 of there 5 wcs!

Luckily, SL beat the aussies in 1996, the only asian team to beat australia in a final, otherwise the aussies would have 6 wcs.
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In 99, we won the toss at Headingly on a cloudy day and batted 1st and won an excellent match, so why would you not do the same at Lord's? The problem was that our main man Saeed Anwar decided to change his grip and not his bat, this took in an inordinate amount of time and the crowd got on his back,he got flustered, lost concentration and the rest as they say is history.
 
Tapeballcricket said:
Nothing wrong with this thread.

It's good to think how things would have panned out otherwise. Makes mortals out of the immortals.

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I want to add some of mine here:

Had Wasim Akram played the 96 quarter final, we would have gone through and who knows? we were the tournament favourites.

Had we bowled first, we would have won the 99 worldcup and than all of a sudden, we would have been the ones with a hat trick and not Australia.


Oh and also, Had Amir and Asif not screwed up, they would have played the 2011 Semi-final in Mohali and seeing how Amir ran through the Indian line up in CT 2017 Final, Mohali would have been a different story too.

Also, had Amir Sohail kept his nerves against Venkatesh Prasad, the 96 Quarter Final was still winable...
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In 96, Akram was very average through the tournament, and tbh Up until the Waqar over against jadeja, we had done very well.
 
Rain and DL could've hampered Pakistan from the winning the 1992 world cup or the Champions trophy 2017
 
SA could have denied Aus from winning 1999, 2015 and 2007 world cup

Pakistan could have stop India from winning 2011 world cup and 2007 wt20

Funny thread this is
 
Sarwar89 said:
This point has never been noticed. Pakistan was better team than Australians in both 1987 and 1999 World Cup Campaigns.

Pakistan has played instrumental part in allowing Australians to win 3 out of 5 World Cup Titles. 1987, Salim Jafar's last over which went for 21 and Rameez Raja's first over mad run out technically sealed our fate. Mudassar Nazar was injured for that game and on top of it crucial wrong bad decision of Dickie Bird on Imran Khan played critical role in our defeat at Gaddafi Stadium. Had Pakistan won that Semi Final, they would have beaten England at Eden Gardens Calcutta in 1987 World Cup Final.

in 1999, Pakistan outclassed Australians in group stages. Bad decision to bat first on spicy wicket by Wasim Akram, costed us the final and Australians again lifted the world cup.

Rahat Ali dropped Shane watson in 2015 world cup quarter final. Had that catch been taken, Aussies would have perished like a pack of cards, they would have been 75/4.

If not 2015, but definitely we played huge part in gifting them 1987 and 1999 world cups. Particularly 1999 triumph gave made them super power in world cricket, they never looked back.
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Australia were clearly the better team than pakistan in 99.
They got destroyed in the final. The most one sided final of all time. Even before the final Australia were favourites. As would south africa have been over pakistan
 
Usergame said:
No. 99 Australia fielding was 2x good as pakistan. 99 Pakistan batting was weak compared to aus and bowling was about equal.
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I watched the games, Aus were poor, the Saffers should have beaten them twice, we beat them and so did NZ.
 
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