"Pakistan could lose to Netherlands but then go on a run, they're mercurial" : Nasser Hussain

[Shafi]

I hope we don't underestimate this Netherlands team because they could pull off an upset like Zimbabwe did in 2022 WC

Loosing to Netherlands will not upset. Its 50-50. Netherlands has edge due to their power hitting ability and nothing to loose approach.

 

[TheSultan]

I don’t think that last part is true. the team is never picked on merit and your favorites are always the best players that are sitting on the bench.

Imad Wasim with an ODI average of 44.5 has suddenly become everybody’s favorite cricketer because he is ‘brave’.

Muhammad Amir, who can’t even complete four overs in a T20 before breaking down, is seen as the savior of this bowling attack. He is ‘brave’.

Sarfraz Ahmed, who can barely go at a SR of 80 in LOI cricket, is now seen as the savior to replace one of the best LOI batsman Pakistan has produced. People bigging up Saifi are ignorant of the filth that he faced when he was part of the ODI and T20 teams, hiding behind Hasan Ali at some points of his career. I guess that constitutes as ‘brave’?

Now the young fans here want Saim Ayub in the team, when the lad doesn’t even have that many FC runs under his belt to begin with. You want to chuck someone in a 50-over game just because he could play a few T20 knocks?

You’re mentioning a lot of names here to prove your point.

To make this discussion less a bun fight about the personnel who people love arguing about, let’s get the following out of the way. I don’t really care about the players. Even if the current players (who seem like you want to justify) played brave, enterprising cricket, I would support them to the hilt too.

But they are cowards, utter cowards, with their only care in the world being self preservation. They want to save their place in the team, rack up meaningless milestones that creates a narrative about their capabilities, that counters media criticism and that’s it.

Self serving cowards deserve no support.

 

[Technics 1210]

What you’ve said above applies to many Pakistan teams, not this one. There are no matchwinners left. We have a team full of steady eddies and mediocrity that can achieve no heights due to their lack of guts and intelligence.

I love the passion mate, but unfortunately this team is not good enough nor do they play with any gutso. You give me a brave Pakistan team picked on merit, and even if they’re the worst team in the world I’ll back them to the hilt, but sorry this team ain’t it. Cowards must suffer cowards’ fate

When Pakistan won the 92 WC, 09 WC, and CT 17 - no one thought Pakistan's team was good enough to win at the time. We say they were top teams but only after they won. Hindsight is a great thing. The one time we thought Pakistan had a top tournament team, was in 1999, where we lost in true ignominious fashion.

'The pessimist says, 'It can't get any worse!' and the optimist replies, 'Oh yes it can!'

I rather be the optimist!

 

[Mamoon]

You don’t need to have Nasser’s name in the title - everyone knows only he is capable of such garbage.

It is incredible how an insightful commentator like him turns into a cliche machine when it comes to Pakistan.

Pakistan has not won an ODI World Cup in 31 years and hasn’t made the final in 24 years. What unpredictability and what mercuriality?

Pakistan is a predictable failure in ODI World Cups.

 

[BouncerGuy]

I agree with Hussain’s assessment of Pakistan’s strengths and weaknesses. I think Pakistan have a talented and experienced squad, which can challenge any team on their day. However, they also need to be more consistent and confident in their batting and fielding, which are often their downfall.

 

[TheSultan]

When Pakistan won the 92 WC, 09 WC, and CT 17 - no one thought Pakistan's team was good enough to win at the time. We say they were top teams but only after they won. Hindsight is a great thing. The one time we thought Pakistan had a top tournament team, was in 1999, where we lost in true ignominious fashion.

'The pessimist says, 'It can't get any worse!' and the optimist replies, 'Oh yes it can!'

I rather be the optimist!

Nonsense - the 1992 team had a core of great players that 2 years previously won the Nehru cup (and that too was without Waqar who wasn’t in the main team). Pakistan were pre-tournament favourites alongside Australia.

2009 - we were finalists in the previous t20 WC and still had some big white ball players like Afridi, Akmal (at the time was good), great captain in Younis, Abdul Razzaq, Umar Gul and a promising youngster in Amir

2017 was more unexpected, but had a good captain and a solid core of bowlers and even the bits and pieces all rounders did a job.

They were good teams that just had a bad start.

This team, even if you give them a head start will crash out early - evidence, Aus pretty much gave them an opportunity to win yesterday and they still lost!

 

[Usman Chadda]

You’re mentioning a lot of names here to prove your point.

To make this discussion less a bun fight about the personnel who people love arguing about, let’s get the following out of the way. I don’t really care about the players. Even if the current players (who seem like you want to justify) played brave, enterprising cricket, I would support them to the hilt too.

But they are cowards, utter cowards, with their only care in the world being self preservation. They want to save their place in the team, rack up meaningless milestones that creates a narrative about their capabilities, that counters media criticism and that’s it.

Self serving cowards deserve no support.

So, all you want to do is cry and provide no solutions to our issues? You are hiding behind your agenda-fueled merit argument first in your post, then you end up with 'I don't care about the players'.

No one who actually knows cricket will justify this current team unfortunately. We know the issues plaguing this team, and no amount of 'being brave' is going to fix them. The preparations for a World Cup last for four years, and while PCB was busy planning T20 series galore and giving this team sporadic amount of ODIs, no one batted an eye-lid. No one was 'brave' enough to point out that our premier spinner was going at more 6.5 RPO, and an average of 76 against the top teams. No one was 'brave' enough to point out that we need a specialist spinner in the ODI team and neither Usama nor Abrar were even in the picture till 2022, which is just too late to develop them at the international level.

Now that the team is selected though, you can't do much but to support the personnel taking the field for our country. I myself have no expectations from them, in fact I expect Netherlands to have an extremely good chance to upset us in the first game itself. However, I am not going to run around in every thread crying about Sarfraz, Imad or Amir, then when called out on it end up with 'I don't care about the players.

 

[Technics 1210]

Nonsense - the 1992 team had a core of great players that 2 years previously won the Nehru cup (and that too was without Waqar who wasn’t in the main team). Pakistan were pre-tournament favourites alongside Australia.

2009 - we were finalists in the previous t20 WC and still had some big white ball players like Afridi, Akmal (at the time was good), great captain in Younis, Abdul Razzaq, Umar Gul and a promising youngster in Amir

2017 was more unexpected, but had a good captain and a solid core of bowlers and even the bits and pieces all rounders did a job.

They were good teams that just had a bad start.

This team, even if you give them a head start will crash out early - evidence, Aus pretty much gave them an opportunity to win yesterday and they still lost!

Pakistan are ALWAYS favourites in every tournament. We have one of the, if not, the best records when it comes to reaching the SFs.

1992 - Wasim Was not even a great, Younis was untested, no one had heard of Inzi, the only great bonafide players we had were Imran Khan and Miandad.

2009 - Amir was a nobody, again untested, and no one knew of his potential.

Again, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[TheSultan]

So, all you want to do is cry and provide no solutions to our issues? You are hiding behind your agenda-fueled merit argument first in your post, then you end up with 'I don't care about the players'.

No one who actually knows cricket will justify this current team unfortunately. We know the issues plaguing this team, and no amount of 'being brave' is going to fix them. The preparations for a World Cup last for four years, and while PCB was busy planning T20 series galore and giving this team sporadic amount of ODIs, no one batted an eye-lid. No one was 'brave' enough to point out that our premier spinner was going at more 6.5 RPO, and an average of 76 against the top teams. No one was 'brave' enough to point out that we need a specialist spinner in the ODI team and neither Usama nor Abrar were even in the picture till 2022, which is just too late to develop them at the international level.

Now that the team is selected though, you can't do much but to support the personnel taking the field for our country. I myself have no expectations from them, in fact I expect Netherlands to have an extremely good chance to upset us in the first game itself. However, I am not going to run around in every thread crying about Sarfraz, Imad or Amir, then when called out on it end up with 'I don't care about the players.

So we share the same concerns about the selection - good.

We share the same concerns about poor planning - good

so what are you actually (in your words) crying about?

I have accepted this is the team selected.

I am active at criticising our cowards correct, but I don’t spend too much time talking about Amir, Imad and Sarfraz. Naturally with the poor planning, sometimes you need to see what else you have so Amir and Imad’s name does come up with the limited options we gave.

You choose to support the team, I choose not to. I may choose to change my mind and support them if they try and stop the selfishness and take some risks. But I don’t support cowards and poor planners. They deserve the big dumping they’ll get.

I know you want to vent, but direct it somewhere else.

 

[TheSultan]

Pakistan are ALWAYS favourites in every tournament. We have one of the, if not, the best records when it comes to reaching the SFs.

1992 - Wasim Was not even a great, Younis was untested, no one had heard of Inzi, the only great bonafide players we had were Imran Khan and Miandad.

2009 - Amir was a nobody, again untested, and no one knew of his potential.

Again, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Respectfully, but more nonsense

1992 - wasim wasn’t a great (because he was only a few years in to his career) , but he was at his peak and already had a great tour of Aus in 1989/90, and widely recognised as a world class bowler. It wasn’t just Imran and Javed, Salim Malik was one of the best ODI players in the world and had a stellar Nehru Cup. Inzi might not have been known to the casuals, but he already had a couple of ODI hundreds to his name before the cup.

2009 - you’ve only mentioned Amir, what about the rest?

Give it a rest bro. I don’t mind you doing the “oh yea we’re gonna win the cup, Pakistan Zindabad”. But don’t justify it by weak argument.

This team is poor and has a trash mentality

 

[Technics 1210]

Respectfully, but more nonsense

1992 - wasim wasn’t a great (because he was only a few years in to his career) , but he was at his peak and already had a great tour of Aus in 1989/90, and widely recognised as a world class bowler. It wasn’t just Imran and Javed, Salim Malik was one of the best ODI players in the world and had a stellar Nehru Cup. Inzi might not have been known to the casuals, but he already had a couple of ODI hundreds to his name before the cup.

2009 - you’ve only mentioned Amir, what about the rest?

Give it a rest bro. I don’t mind you doing the “oh yea we’re gonna win the cup, Pakistan Zindabad”. But don’t justify it by weak argument.

This team is poor and has a trash mentality

What about the rest in 2009? Younis Khan? Really? Have you seen his T20 stats? The only gun players in 2009 were Afridi and Malik.

I will not rest with my optimism. You can claim that you are waiting for a solid/gusto team before backing them, fact is, the only time Pakistan had a solid team was in 1999, it ended tragically, so keep waiting because a solid team is not the requirement here, a balanced team is, and with unity and jazba, Pakistan will go a long way.

Of course, if you have no faith in this Pakistan squad, it does beg the question, why follow them in this WC?

 

[Rana]

What about the rest in 2009? Younis Khan? Really? Have you seen his T20 stats? The only gun players in 2009 were Afridi and Malik.

I will not rest with my optimism. You can claim that you are waiting for a solid/gusto team before backing them, fact is, the only time Pakistan had a solid team was in 1999, it ended tragically, so keep waiting because a solid team is not the requirement here, a balanced team is, and with unity and jazba, Pakistan will go a long way.

Of course, if you have no faith in this Pakistan squad, it does beg the question, why follow them in this WC?

Wow, Greap!

 

[topspin]

What about the rest in 2009? Younis Khan? Really? Have you seen his T20 stats? The only gun players in 2009 were Afridi and Malik.

I will not rest with my optimism. You can claim that you are waiting for a solid/gusto team before backing them, fact is, the only time Pakistan had a solid team was in 1999, it ended tragically, so keep waiting because a solid team is not the requirement here, a balanced team is, and with unity and jazba, Pakistan will go a long way.

Of course, if you have no faith in this Pakistan squad, it does beg the question, why follow them in this WC?

Younis Khan had one of the best strike rates in that tournaments. His strike rate was 140 during that tournament and he also averaged above 50 in the tournament.

The only Pakistani player with a better strike rate was Afridi. His strike rate was 141.

He captaincy was excellent. Tactically the best I've ever seen. The way he set up Dilshan during that final with his field placings in the first over was genius.

Younis Khan played a pivotal role in the lead up to that tournament win.

Lol "the only gun players in 2009 were Afridi and Malik". We had the best bowling attack in that competition. Amir, Gul, Ajmal and Afridi were world class in the shortest format.

 

[Usman Chadda]

So we share the same concerns about the selection - good.

We share the same concerns about poor planning - good

so what are you actually (in your words) crying about?

I have accepted this is the team selected.

I am active at criticising our cowards correct, but I don’t spend too much time talking about Amir, Imad and Sarfraz. Naturally with the poor planning, sometimes you need to see what else you have so Amir and Imad’s name does come up with the limited options we gave.

You choose to support the team, I choose not to. I may choose to change my mind and support them if they try and stop the selfishness and take some risks. But I don’t support cowards and poor planners. They deserve the big dumping they’ll get.

I know you want to vent, but direct it somewhere else.

The constant rona dhona is the definition of 'venting', not what the rest of us sane fans are doing on this forum. We know the issues with the team, we know everyone terming us favorites is a big joke and we will barely win a game in this World Cup.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I don’t think that last part is true. the team is never picked on merit and your favorites are always the best players that are sitting on the bench.

Imad Wasim with an ODI average of 44.5 has suddenly become everybody’s favorite cricketer because he is ‘brave’.

Muhammad Amir, who can’t even complete four overs in a T20 before breaking down, is seen as the savior of this bowling attack. He is ‘brave’.

Sarfraz Ahmed, who can barely go at a SR of 80 in LOI cricket, is now seen as the savior to replace one of the best LOI batsman Pakistan has produced. People bigging up Saifi are ignorant of the filth that he faced when he was part of the ODI and T20 teams, hiding behind Hasan Ali at some points of his career. I guess that constitutes as ‘brave’?

Now the young fans here want Saim Ayub in the team, when the lad doesn’t even have that many FC runs under his belt to begin with. You want to chuck someone in a 50-over game just because he could play a few T20 knocks?

Wanting Aamir at this point is laughable. That part is true. But Pakistan definitely missed a trick in selecting an opener in Abdullah Shafique who has no List A record to speak of and an inferior T20 record as well compared to Saim Ayub

Apart from that, it's a good and logical squad.

 

[jnaveen1980]

In T20 all teams are unpredictable these days. Just one guy stepping up can completely change the fortunes of the team. In ODIs. Pakistan is higher ranked side. Not a nice thing to carry that tag anymore. They are expected to win.

 

[TheSultan]

The constant rona dhona is the definition of 'venting', not what the rest of us sane fans are doing on this forum. We know the issues with the team, we know everyone terming us favorites is a big joke and we will barely win a game in this World Cup.

Most of us are actually laughing at the team than doing any rona dhona.

You agree with me that we are a poor team and will barely win a game.

Just seems like you’re violently agreeing with me. So what’s the problem? What are actually taking exception to?

It seems like you just want to argue with someone!

 

[topspin]

I don’t think that last part is true. the team is never picked on merit and your favorites are always the best players that are sitting on the bench.

Imad Wasim with an ODI average of 44.5 has suddenly become everybody’s favorite cricketer because he is ‘brave’.

Muhammad Amir, who can’t even complete four overs in a T20 before breaking down, is seen as the savior of this bowling attack. He is ‘brave’.

Sarfraz Ahmed, who can barely go at a SR of 80 in LOI cricket, is now seen as the savior to replace one of the best LOI batsman Pakistan has produced. People bigging up Saifi are ignorant of the filth that he faced when he was part of the ODI and T20 teams, hiding behind Hasan Ali at some points of his career. I guess that constitutes as ‘brave’?

Now the young fans here want Saim Ayub in the team, when the lad doesn’t even have that many FC runs under his belt to begin with. You want to chuck someone in a 50-over game just because he could play a few T20 knocks?

You can't judge a white ball bowler merely by their bowling average. That's quite an old fashioned way of analysing a bowler in limited overs cricket. The problem with average is it's doesn't account for the economy rate which is an important statistic in the modern game where the teams are posting higher scores than ever, especially in the case of Imad who is a defensive bowler who tries to keep things tight and stem the flow of runs.

Wickets per game/strike rate combined economy rate is a better way to look at it.

If we look at Imad in ODIs, he has a strike rate of 54.6 and an economy rate of 4.88.

If he was to bowl an 10 over spell, you would expect a mean return of 1 wickets for 49 runs. That's an average of 49 but I would much rather see this kind of bowling performance than someone else taking 2 wickets for 70 runs, yielding an average of 35.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Pakistan are ALWAYS favourites in every tournament. We have one of the, if not, the best records when it comes to reaching the SFs.

1992 - Wasim Was not even a great, Younis was untested, no one had heard of Inzi, the only great bonafide players we had were Imran Khan and Miandad.

2009 - Amir was a nobody, again untested, and no one knew of his potential.

Again, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Again for ODI world Cups this is simply false since 1992.

Australia, NZ, SA, SL and even India has a better tournament record than us.

Yet you know what ?

They dont hide behind the myth of "mercurial" and "unpredictable".

That is the difference.

To you it may be a small difference.

But for some of us, this is the only difference that matters in this world.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Cricviz rates Pakistan as 5th favourites for the World Cup behind

1. India
2. England
3. Australia
4. South Africa

in that order.

 

[RexRex]

They dont hide behind the myth of "mercurial" and "unpredictable".

I've never seen this term used for any other team out there, even in other sports.

 

[Technics 1210]

Again for ODI world Cups this is simply false since 1992.

Australia, NZ, SA, SL and even India has a better tournament record than us.

Yet you know what ?

They dont hide behind the myth of "mercurial" and "unpredictable".

That is the difference.

To you it may be a small difference.

But for some of us, this is the only difference that matters in this world.

Totally irrelevant, but at least you admit the 92 team was not as good as the other teams. Which is exactly what I have been saying, read my posts carefully, no one though the Pak 92 team could win the WC, but they did - welcome to the unpredictability of the great Pakistan team! But hey, it was a fluke to the likes of you, and the opposition had an off day.

 

[Mesozoic]

Inside Nasser Hussain's mind -

"Oh no! It's that time of the year again. How can I convey that Pakistan are not good enough a team to consistently and efficiently put out good performances in most of the games like the top sides do, without hurting their sizeable fanbase?

*pause*



"Oh yes of course..works everytime"



*Thread title*

 

[TeymurBlake]

Pakistan has to be beat Netherlands. Losing to India, England & Australia is acceptable, but losing to Netherlands is difficult to accept.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Cricviz rates Pakistan as 5th favourites for the World Cup behind

1. India
2. England
3. Australia
4. South Africa

in that order.

Count Bavuma's team out. As much as i want them to win atleast one world cup they catch cold feet in important matches.

 

[jnaveen1980]

In world cups you play one team once (mostly) occasionally you play the same team twice. Only one team is home team. Rest are all on neutral venue. So you start on an even keel against most of the sides. This is why they have something called "Dark horses". Harsha Bhogle recently shared his article cutting from 1983 about him predicting India as dark horses. Every world cup has a dark horse regardless of their standing in the rankings. I see more teams like this this time around.

 

[TheSultan]

Inside Nasser Hussain's mind -

"Oh no! It's that time of the year again. How can I convey that Pakistan are not good enough a team to consistently and efficiently put out good performances in most of the games like the top sides do, without hurting their sizeable fanbase?

*pause*



"Oh yes of course..works everytime"



*Thread title*

it’s also to protect against the times the English media has been burnt.

1992 - Pak even though one of the favourites had such a horrendous start, who can forget the Sky studio of Charles Colvile, Bob Willis and Syd Lawrence writing them off after their first 2 victories.

Similar thing in 2009 and 2017 after horrendous starts with heavy losses to India and co.

But as I said earlier, you can’t apply it to the current team because this is not a t20 and their are no matchwinners

 

[mominsaigol]

When Pakistan won the 92 WC, 09 WC, and CT 17 - no one thought Pakistan's team was good enough to win at the time. We say they were top teams but only after they won. Hindsight is a great thing. The one time we thought Pakistan had a top tournament team, was in 1999, where we lost in true ignominious fashion.

'The pessimist says, 'It can't get any worse!' and the optimist replies, 'Oh yes it can!'

I rather be the optimist!

What utter crap is this?

2017 team had imad, Haris, Hafeez, Malik and sarfi in the middle order. Fakhar and azhar also complimented each other unlike imam who wants handholding

2023 has shadab, agha and nawaz lol.

Lastly sarfi isn't a one and done captain, He won psl, he won 2006 under 19 Cup as well, he clearly has experience at winning cups, even in 2019 we best England and NZ at their best, whereas currently aus and NZ are beating us through casual trolling.

1992, 2009 and 2017 weren't the best teams of the tournament but if someone analysed properly and looked at the players and the captains it wouldn't be a suprise if they won, mainly cause the players weren't the best but were good, and all captains had experience in developing a winning mindset.

Babar hasn't won a single cup, not even psl or Asia cup, or even ps5 games as a cup.

Agha, Nawaz , Imam, Rizzu, are not tourney winning players and this is all based of actual past data or rizzu playing match losing knocks in finals, and the others playing in soft irrelevant matches consistently.

Our only hope is babar, Fakhar, Sheddy, hasan ali the bowlers and maybe saud(he's untested) because these guys are have experience winning in clutch tournaments, yes even sheddy who I meme based on past data is a tourney player and winner atleast.

But babar isn't a winning captain by any means.

To win a cup you need leadership + strong mentality + players( Not the best players but players)

Sarfi before CT had already won 2 tournaments, and was known for his leadership skills, Babar isn't.

Mentality wise Azhar, Fakhar, Hafeez, imad, Malik, Haris, Amir, Hasan Ali, sheddy all these lads are mentality very very strong players all backed by strong data, Imam, rizzu, nawaz have crumbled Massively under pressure in the past.

And players wise, we are shooting ourselves in the foot by having Imam open, and having Abdullah, Nawaz and agha in the squad.

Shadab and fakhar I don't know because they regressed but they have been shown to be clutch players in tournaments in the past.

 

[mominsaigol]

Biggest thing in cups is leadership + instilling winning mentalities over any past nonsense stats drama that people have going on.

Sarfi isn't a luck captain, He was a psl winner and a 2006 under 19 World Cup winner, he clearly knows how to captain in tournaments and lead.

Same with imran Khan and younis khan.

Problem is babar hasn't won a single cup in his life, he doesn't know how to lead and instill winning beliefs.

Stats stats and all that drama mean nothing in tournaments, look at India, Post Dhoni captaincy they've been chocking for 10+ years entirely because of mentality and leadership in clutch situations.

Their world class but in tournaments crumble under pressure.

Why don't people understand this? Luck also plays an important factor, you need luck as well to some extent.

 

[Technics 1210]

If punters backed the strongest teams on paper then not only would everyone be millionaires, but the gambling industry (in the West anyway) would go bust!

I follow odds closely, and when it comes to Pakistan the odds fluctuate wildly throughout a tournament, this just cements the fact that Pakistan is the most dangerous side in tournaments, because they are the most unpredictable irrespective of team strength/weakness on paper.

Simple example : Let's assume Australia, India, England, and Pakistan have their opening match with Netherlands.

If Australia, India, and England lost their opening match to Netherlands, their odds of winning of tournament would hardly budge. If Pakistan lose, then the odds would double. Remember, these odds are set by Western bookies, not Pakistanis!

The unpredictability of Pakistan fuels the excitement of being a Pakistan fan, and adds to the excitement of a tournament, because if we all knew what would happen next, life would be boring.

Pakistan to win the WC and send shockwaves among the cricketing world!

 

[Technics 1210]

What utter crap is this?

Cannot take you seriously after you claimed the Indian team of 2012 was the weakest in its history.

Though you probably do not realise, you actually agree with me, no one predicted Pakistan would win 92, 09, 17. Your post only adds credence to what I am saying.

 

[mominsaigol]

Cannot take you seriously after you claimed the Indian team of 2012 was the weakest in its history.

Though you probably do not realise, you actually agree with me, no one predicted Pakistan would win 92, 09, 17. Your post only adds credence to what I am saying.

Bro all your comments at this point just translate to

"DIL DIL PAKISTAN, JAN JAN PAKISTAN, DIL DIL PAKISTAN " .

like theirs no point commenting anything else. If someone says anything about Pakistan and offers genuine critisism you just either start quoting rocky movies or erupt in the biggest rage of your life.

It's all drama bazi, Shout at someone and hope they get scared because you lack the ability to properly convince to see viewpoints . 3 year old baby stuff.

 

[topspin]

Cricviz rates Pakistan as 5th favourites for the World Cup behind

1. India
2. England
3. Australia
4. South Africa

in that order.

We're more likely to finish in the bottom 4. We might have better players than Sri Lanka and Bangladesh but they approach their batting the right way, which is why I expect to cause one or two upsets.

 

[topspin]

Bro all your comments at this point just translate to

"DIL DIL PAKISTAN, JAN JAN PAKISTAN, DIL DIL PAKISTAN " .

like theirs no point commenting anything else. If someone says anything about Pakistan and offers genuine critisism you just either start quoting rocky movies or erupt in the biggest rage of your life.

It's all drama bazi, Shout at someone and hope they get scared because you lack the ability to properly convince to see viewpoints . 3 year old baby stuff.

I don't know if you're into football but this reminds me of the thread after Argentina won the WC. He lost his mind after seeing Messi win it ahead of his beloved Ronaldo.

 

[Technics 1210]

Bro all your comments at this point just translate to

"DIL DIL PAKISTAN, JAN JAN PAKISTAN, DIL DIL PAKISTAN " .

Yes, and why not? What have you got against someone supporting Pakistan with passion?

Your comments however are translating to "JANA GANA MANA"

 

[Mp812]

If Pakistan looses to Netherlands then the same scenario of catching up with run rate and hoping other results go their way repeats all over again

 

[mominsaigol]

I don't know if you're into football but this reminds me of the thread after Argentina won the WC. He lost his mind after seeing Messi win it ahead of his beloved Ronaldo.

I watch football but I'm not super into it, I still enjoy the game and know who Messi and Ronaldo is. And yes I'm 100% sire he would do that.

The first time I met this guy, I wasn't even paying attention to him, and he just randomly quoted me and had the biggest rage fit I have ever seen in my life . He basically erupted because I don't like misbah, even major who loves misbah didn't erupt or get angry or anything, he was chill. This guy had a mental breakdown on me even though I wasn't even commenting on him or addressing me.

I don't know how old he is, but if he's an actual grown man, shouting like this, then that's sad lol, like it's genuinely sad, not even funny.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes, and why not? What have you got against someone supporting Pakistan with passion?

Your comments however are translating to "JANA GANA MANA"

"What have you got against someone supporting Pakistan with a passion"

^^ Nothing, what have you got against someone who doesn't like misbah's captaincy, so much so that you had an emotional breakdown?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan's unpredictability depends on the format of the tournament. In 2015 there were two groups. So you have to get going right of the bat. No chance for coming back late in the tournament. Same in 2007 world cup. 2019 world cup format/1992 world cup format suit Pakistan more as they can stage a come back later in the tournament while some teams invariably fizzling out towards the back end. if INdia took the England game seriously and beat them Pakistan could have sneaked into semi final in 2019. 2023 is just one single points table. You have enough time to come back even after a bad start

 

[jnaveen1980]

Younis Khan had one of the best strike rates in that tournaments. His strike rate was 140 during that tournament and he also averaged above 50 in the tournament.

The only Pakistani player with a better strike rate was Afridi. His strike rate was 141.

He captaincy was excellent. Tactically the best I've ever seen. The way he set up Dilshan during that final with his field placings in the first over was genius.

Younis Khan played a pivotal role in the lead up to that tournament win.

Lol "the only gun players in 2009 were Afridi and Malik". We had the best bowling attack in that competition. Amir, Gul, Ajmal and Afridi were world class in the shortest format.

I still remember the days of PP where AAAG attack was promoted. Actually that was one world cup AAG delivered. Pakistan had great variety. off spin/leg spin/ right arm death over specialist/left arm new ball specialist. Pakistan didn't have to "out bat" anyone. Remember the warm up game vs india where stadium was almost full.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Totally irrelevant, but at least you admit the 92 team was not as good as the other teams. Which is exactly what I have been saying, read my posts carefully, no one though the Pak 92 team could win the WC, but they did - welcome to the unpredictability of the great Pakistan team! But hey, it was a fluke to the likes of you, and the opposition had an off day.

You mean Pakistan is unpredictable because they won the ODI World Cup in 1992?

Which is like 31 years ago?

Okay.

 

[Technics 1210]

You mean Pakistan is unpredictable because they won the ODI World Cup in 1992?

Which is like 31 years ago?

Okay.

This has already been addressed, and it wasn't just 92.

You clearly despise the Pakistan team, yet are the first to watch and comment on matches and will be following the WC, and yet you are the one who is allegedly making sense.

You're not a supporter of Pakistan cricket, at best you are a fan - when Pakistan win that is.

 

[MenInG]

Guys

If you continue making troll type posts on this thread we will be forced to put some of you on restricted list

Think carefully.

 

[mominsaigol]

You mean Pakistan is unpredictable because they won the ODI World Cup in 1992?

Which is like 31 years ago?

Okay.

It's more along the lines of cricket is an unpredictable sport, where upsets can happen. Never understood why Naz only applied this mantra to Pakistan for some reason.

If anything New Zealand is most deserving of this mantra.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Netherlands' Bas de Leede speaking in a presser:

[Reporter:]

How big is this World Cup for you? You are playing for the second half, the first visit in 2011, again now you have qualified. How big is this and tomorrow what will be the match against Pakistan? How are you looking forward to it? Tomorrow's match against Pakistan.

[Bas de Leede:]

Yeah, obviously a long time for us in between World Cups, so to be able to be here with the group we have today, obviously a very young group that has not been to a 50-over World Cup except for Wesley Barresi, the only member that has been. But like I said earlier, we're all excited and we feel like we're in the right space to play against Pakistan tomorrow and hopefully beat them.

 

[gazza619]

Are we losing this then? Things not looking good. Don't know why to start every tournament like chickens.

 

[owenhcricket]

Nasser might be spot on here

 

[aukhan]

Hopefully, we will win today...no drama

 

[Major]

no one expected us to get this total. I wish he was in this game commentating.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Did a search on unpredictable to get to this thread.. wow this is one tag that everybody associates with pakistan

 

[Firebat]

Pakistan complete the biggest chase in WC history against SL, then a few days later the exact same players collapse from 155/2, losing 8 wickets for 36 runs.

If only there was a word to describe the trend of Pakistan's performances... volatile? Erratic? Any help would be appreciated

 

[sugumarrising]

Why do you want a mercurial tag for pakistan, they are one of the main nations in international cricket, australia, england, india are called good teams than why this tag for pakistan, in the 90s & early 2000s they were a very good team their was no tag like this I heard those days, if pakistan has to get back to their glory days they have to get rid of this mercurial tag

 

[MP2011]

Count Bavuma's team out. As much as i want them to win atleast one world cup they catch cold feet in important matches.

Bavuma himself is SA's biggest handicap.

 

[Iamcoolwhiz]

Naseer should he asked after afg defeat- "How do you like them apples?”

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes they can beat some big sides. But overall they are more predictable now.

 

[Mamoon]

Naseer should he asked after afg defeat- "How do you like them apples?”

How do you like them?

 

[Technics 1210]

Hillarious!

Afghanistan beat England too! The same England which some of you had favourites! Nasser would say the same thing!

Lets remind ourselves, most of you had already penciled in the rise of Afghanistan cricket, and now the same lot are shocked by this one victory against Pakistan!?

Behave.

 

[Mamoon]

Nasser the must be fuming right now. His two favorite teams are getting humiliated left, right and center.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Nasser Hussain is right.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Nasser Hussain is right.

Pakistan has always been that kid of team. Its feast or famine. Consistency is not their cup of tea.