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Pakistan Cricket Board XI v England XI | Tour Match | Dubai (GCA) | Jan 11-13, 2012

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JibranAnsari said:
and 4 years are enough? hardly 30 tests matches if selected. and he bangs another one for :4
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i really don't understand some people. if he plays 30 tests at his peak, it's a lot more valuable than some youngster who can't even play tests where it also takes him 20 odd tests just to gain some experience. test cricket is for men, not boys. stop looking at individual records.
 
Ayub, Salahuddin, Alam and Harris Sohail all are trying to make a claim for that number 6 test spot

Ayub is inching ahead from all of them at the moment.
 
Down2Earth said:
i really don't understand some people. if he plays 30 tests at his peak, it's a lot more valuable than some youngster who can't even play tests where it also takes him 20 odd tests just to gain some experience. test cricket is for men, not boys. stop looking at individual records.
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the problem is cricketers usually take some time to establish in test cricket and the shame is that when a guy as old as 32 will establish himself it is when he will lose his reflexes and focus. I am a big fan of Muhammad Ayub's batting btw.
 
ChampLeO said:
Ayub, Salahuddin, Alam and Harris Sohail all are trying to make a claim for that number 6 test spot

Ayub is inching ahead from all of them at the moment.
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Ayub as I have seen him bat is ahead of them in terms of shotmaking and temperament and Haris Sohail is called 'Mr reliable ' in domestic cricket. Not convinced about Salahuddin at the moment.
 
ads101 said:
This is Pakistan's second choice batting team. Success by your second choice English bowling attack does not say anything on how they would cope with our first choice batting team. They're a lot more prepared, used to facing a tougher bowling attack, and have in general more overall experience. A better representation was probably your success against the combined associates where your bowlers (your first choice attack) convincingly bowled out the opposition for low totals.

You can have theories on how england might be more prepared, but really the best indicator for success is the form of your players. Not the performance of bowlers who won't even play in the test series. England seems to have rested their bowlers anyway, probably because they were happy with their form in the associates match.

You can only prepare so much. It's a lot easier to prepare in English conditions too. There isn't a huge amount of proof England have shaken off the rust in their batting team yet. Even if they fail in this match, they could do well in the actual series anyway. But a good performance by the batting team would give a lot of confidence going into the actual thing.

You mention Riaz, but you only faced him twice. First time he did very well against him. Second time, you actually only faced him in one innings NOTW stuff was going on and general distractions amongst the team. Not that that needs to be an excuse, fact is Riaz has only faced you in 2 tests, matchwinning performance in one with an overall average of around 27. Which isn't bad. You faced Amir and Asif several times, but they still caused problems to you time and time again, you'd didn't exactly work them out.

England's preparation and hard work helps them, but as I said, from this match the main thing England will want to see is good batting form from their batsmen. And even then, the success of our second team won't show too much how our first team will perform.
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Nope, but it will validate England's preparations. A win here is confidence, its momentum and form. Don't get me wrong, I'm not slagging off the Pakistani Team. I've been fairly moderate with predictions of 2-0, 2-1, and reduced to 1-0 post Bresnan's injury. I don't think Rehman and Ajmal are going to destroy this team, and Riaz is no where in the class of Amir or Asif. He's been mediocre in every match since, not just against England. Gul while experience and capable of reverse swing, is an average bowler as Random Aussie would put it. Junaid is a talent, and I love him for playing with Lancs, but he's still learning. Cheema is not worth mentioning. England will collapse to Ajmal at one stage or another, but I hardly think England will contrive to lose off a collapse to one spinner.
 
Fadi :)))

go on Haris, he looks the pick of the lot from domestic cricket, hope he does well.
 
haris gone now plumb. Ayub is doing really well. I'd give him a chance in test next
 
Ayub is the Key for PCB 11 now , these players need Misbah to tame them for test class cricket.
 
Swann gets Ahmed first ball. Looks like our spin twins are doing the business. :D
 
sarfraz gone wth bradman in domestic and tailender in international matches
 
What is happening out there? 6 down already.
 
Pathetic batting. Huge dissapointment. Sarfraz is just a joke of a batsmen. I think adnan is better.
 
All the hype about these players for nothing hahaha. Thy can't evn scre runs.
 
5 minutes to lunch , 6 wickets in a session. LOL and Ayub also departs. Make it 7 in a session.
 
Fawad alam 6 off 24. Lol. May be we should start to realise how good england are cz we r in for a phainty from strauss n co. lol.
 
ali bubba said:
We''ll have to surely. But five man bowling attack or 4? Because Monty is a walking wicket and makes the tail a lot weaker.
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With broad they already have 7 batsman and swann is not bad either. On UAE wickets the teams will need bowlers to get wickets. They have excellent top 6 ,batting should not be their worry.
 
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ali bubba said:
We''ll have to surely. But five man bowling attack or 4? Because Monty is a walking wicket and makes the tail a lot weaker.
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Monty isn't as bad as he used to be actually, he can hang around a bit, but won't be scoring any quickfire centuries haha.

The people writing him off as a spinner are fools, he was the best spinner in domestic cricket last season, division 1.
 
Every single time I saw The score one new wicket was down. What poor batting.
 
grrr so crap, we didn't even have to make much, 260 or so, which is probably under par on this sort of pitch. Unless this pitch is some sort of minefield which seems unlikely given it's the UAE.

Hopefully a better showing next innings. Particularly disappointed with Usman and Fawad, guys I actually rated.
 
ads101 said:
grrr so crap, we didn't even have to make much, 260 or so, which is probably under par on this sort of pitch. Unless this pitch is some sort of minefield which seems unlikely given it's the UAE.

Hopefully a better showing next innings. Particularly disappointed with Usman and Fawad, guys I actually rated.
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'if England win it means nothing' - you two hours ago

:))) :))) :)))
 
Whippy said:
'if England win it means nothing' - you two hours ago

:))) :))) :)))
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didn't say that at all. Said England winning this doesn't really indicate much whether they'll win the actual thing. They're playing a different team. If they put in a good batting performance that will be a better indicator than win or lose, because being in good batting form coming to the series will be pretty ominous. It's more you can't really predict Pakistan to fail in the actual series based on the performance of their B team. Doesn't work like that.

This batting effort isn't a reflection of our first choice batting team. So still not worried about them. Yet anyway.
 
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Whippy said:
'if England win it means nothing' - you two hours ago

:))) :))) :)))
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I think most of us wanted some individual performances from our batsmen in the warmup , they definitely are individuals united only for one game so can't be called a proper team.
 
ads101 said:
didn't say that at all. Said England winning this doesn't really indicate much whether they'll win the actual thing. They're playing a different team. If they put in a good batting performance that will be a better indicator than win or lose, because being in good batting form coming to the series will be pretty ominous.

This batting effort isn't a reflection of our first choice batting team. So still not worried about them. Yet anyway.
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Yawn. Might as well hold your hands up dude, this is our second string bowling attack, whichever team we put out is doing well, and the whole squad is looking stronger and stronger in the conditions. Be afwaid.
 
JibranAnsari said:
I think most of us wanted some individual performances from our batsmen in the warmup , they definitely are individuals united only for one game so can't be called a proper team.
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exactly.

My interests are more in terms I wanted some younger guys to stand up and make their claim for their team.

If anything this poor batting display perhaps negatively portrays our upcoming batting talent sadly. Hopefully their put up a better fight next innings.
 
pakcricketfan said:
Not yet, I think. Depends on how Adnan Akmal performs in the Test series.
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Yah , Sarfaraz has always looked terrible with bat on international stage whereas Adnan has not been that bad. Sarfaraz needs to work a lot on his mental approach towards the game.
 
Excuses when things go wrong, no credit given to the opposition, all bark and no bite. sounds familiar somehow.
 
Whippy said:
Yawn. Might as well hold your hands up dude, this is our second string bowling attack, whichever team we put out is doing well, and the whole squad is looking stronger and stronger in the conditions. Be afwaid.
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Yup, England will be ready to fire for the first test. These second string batsmen are clueless against the class of Swann & Tremlett. Big pressure on the likes of Younis & Misbah for Pakistan.
 
Whippy said:
Yawn. Might as well hold your hands up dude, this is our second string bowling attack, whichever team we put out is doing well, and the whole squad is looking stronger and stronger in the conditions. Be afwaid.
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ofcourse and playing against a second string team and most of them are playing their first ever match in the UAE and england has an experience advantage of one additional match. :D things would have been different if they were playing on their home soil and The misbah team has a lot of experience of playing in UAE for last one year so expect a lot better batting display form them guys.
 
Apart from cook and prior, England batsmen must be feeling short of confidence playing against ajmal in UAE conditions. The Match is on for me.
 
The England players have never played first-class cricket in the UAE before, so today is nothing less than impressive, and England are nothing less than a good side for playing as they have so far.

Could still be tricky in the test matches, but after the months of ridiculous arrogance, that was a very satisfying scoreline to wake up to today!
 
Whippy said:
Excuses when things go wrong, no credit given to the opposition, all bark and no bite. sounds familiar somehow.
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You are bigging up your team by saying them 2nd string but remember they are in your squad of 15 and yes they have displayed a wonderful show with the ball but with the bat they were far from convincing apart from the class of cook.
 
Won the last game and yards ahead in this one, despite the conditions being entirely alien. Sounds like a decent team to me!
 
Good reference dude, that was only seven years ago! :))) :))) :)))

Monty has four! Lad
 
England have a pleasing trouble of having to play one of the two spinners or they might play both. Great display from Panesar.
 
A big reality check for the crazy fans of some of our domestic players, They're not ready for this level yet.
 
don't worry guys PCB XI losing on purpose to give assurance angrez that they are on good form. National team will give the angrez a good lesson
 
Whippy said:
straws, clutching, at...no surprise this thread has died
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not much is happening in the middle , the folks will return once england start batting. About your straws clutching thing , I was just showing a bit of history to our pakistan guys that england did not perform badly in warmup games in 2005 so it's not necessary that they willreplicate this performance in the actual thing.
 
it was profoundly irrelevant history.

fair weather fans! who knew?
 
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