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Pakistan cricket needs superstars

The_Odd_One said:
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So embrrassing!
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I know you said it as a joke but what exactly is embarrassing about that?

I think more than looks and English, performance and playing style matters. Dravid had better looks, education and communication skills than Tendulkar but Tendulkar was the man of people. Similarly Sarfraz was performing till 2016 and had an attacking game different to others so was called breath of fresh air, fighter, oxygen etc and once his performance has gone down people are targeting his other traits..

Personally I have never cared about looks, English, degrees etc as honestly these things are most of the time not in our hands. Shahbaz senior (hockey) is my fav Pakistani player of all time and tbh his looks and communication skills are average but what he brought was sensational hockey display, and match and tournament winning performances that won the hearts.
 
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ArsenalFC said:
This is the height of delusion.

Not only are the latter 3 players superior (by a long long way) but you've assumed the likes of Fakhar, Hasan, Shadab, Babar and etc are harder working than Virat Kohli which I can safely is completely false.

Kohli has the strongest work ethic out of all them. The reason why he's the top batsman is equally because of his talent and hard work. You again seem to have no idea of something widely known in cricket. Kohli's gym, diet and practice routine habits has been publicised numerous occasions and it stands above the rest.

In addition it is an insult to compare Wasim and Kohli with Fakhar Zaman, Hasan Ali, Shadab Khan, Babar Azam who are mostly rookies at their infancy in international cricket.
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You didn't even get the gist of my post and you went on a rant. Take your own advice and work on your comprehension skills. What my post meant was let Fakhar, Hasan, Babar, Shadab be the best versions of themselves rather than hope to see them become a Kohli, Akram or a Razzaq. The likes of Shehzad and Akmal lost their way trying to be wannabe superstars, we don't want to impress upon these young lads that they should look to become so-and-so. They should be encouraged to work hard and become the best that they can.
 
ArsenalFC said:
Well you obviously didn't read enough because I've provided a source with his interview and what he said about Inzy was explicitly negative. You claimed YK and Inzy never had any problems and I've proved this to be the contrary, so cut out the "agenda" calling rubbish because like with Wasim and Kohli discussion you don't know what you're talking about which is funny because you were acting pretty arrogant - when you thought I was some youth who had only just starting watching cricket.
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Your arguments certainly point to someone who just recently started watching cricket, and who has to rely on masala articles to prove a point about what went on in that era. I haven't even taken you to the cleaners for adding Misbah to that earlier statement of yours, based on a website with questionable authenticity. This Dawn article gives absolutely no weightage to your initial statement, sorry.

Also, out of curiosity, do you know why Inzi and YK clashed for the one and ONLY time in their cricketing careers? Hint: It had nothing to do with Inzi's religious reign of terror. You can Google the real reason now.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Kohli has done worse things on field which is worse than Sarfraz singing a song at his home. There is no comparison between Kohli and Sarfraz as captains. Kohli has been tactically very poor. He favors his buddies and a big fan of TTFs. His poor captaincy and selection single handedly costed India the SA test series. India nearly lost home series to Australia and Rahane showed in just one game that he's not the best captain tactically even in his own team. He's a failed captain even in IPL where his team is yet to win an IPL despite fielding a strong team in every edition.

Steve Waugh had no charisma and had the personality of a cardboard. Yet, he is one of the greatest captains of all time.
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What things has he done on the filed? Other than his sledging as far as I'm aware I don't believe if he's got a track record of on-field controversies, in fact he seems to be the victim from Aussie players in the last 7 years, but unlike our players he knows how to dish it back. Not one Pakistan player from the current regulars has this in him which is a pity.

I agree with what you've said in regards to Kohli and his captaincy, he indeed does favour his friends as we saw recently with Rohit's unwarranted selection. He also did try to bring back TTFs like with Harbhajan who was a failure in SL. Tactically he hasn't been great and made some odd selections at times. In LOIs he is no Dhoni as a captain tactically speaking but I get the dreaded feeling it is just a matter of time before he gets it right and can see him leading India to a WC whether it be next year and/or in 2023 when they get to host it.

He is a charismatic figure who sets the bar for not just his players but everyone in the game when you see his work ethic and discipline encompassing his hard hours of practice and strict fitness + workout and diet routines. So overall the players will always aspire to his levels of brilliance, which is why they'll always give everything for him. There is more going for him as captain compared to any of the other skippers out there (let alone Sarfraz), he just needs to master and follow Dhoni's tactical nous and strategic approach for LOIs.

In tests however it is a different story, he has proven himself to be a superior captain to Dhoni despite some of his selection blunders in SA. Unlike his overly defensive predecessor he has backed Indian bowlers to express themselves and get the fields they want. Under Kohli India have a fantastic opportunity to win in England and become the first side from Asia to win in Australia. Yes the Aussies will be without 2 of their best batsmen but they would demolish most sides at home (including Pakistan).

As for Steve Waugh, excellent captain no doubt but he in my opinion inherited the golden eggs, so it is unfair to compare any captain to his win record.
 
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Usman Chadda said:
Your arguments certainly point to someone who just recently started watching cricket, and who has to rely on masala articles to prove a point about what went on in that era. I haven't even taken you to the cleaners for adding Misbah to that earlier statement of yours, based on a website with questionable authenticity. This Dawn article gives absolutely no weightage to your initial statement, sorry.

Also, out of curiosity, do you know why Inzi and YK clashed for the one and ONLY time in their cricketing careers? Hint: It had nothing to do with Inzi's religious reign of terror. You can Google the real reason now.
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I can see you continue to conveniently ignore facts to support your narrative.

Regardless of the source, you're still disregarding the fact that the interview happened and YK said those things against Inzy's regime, whether you like it or not. If he was this open about his views, I am sure he would have said this directly to his face.

Just because it doesn't come out officially or in the open, it doesn't mean that rifts don't happen. For e.g. Michael Clarke had bad blood with Watson but we never found out about it until the autobiography came out. You make a gross assumption that the fact you were watching cricket in the 2000s gives you absolute knowledge of what was going on behind the scenes. I know this to be false because I watched cricket throughout the 2000s yet I knew about Inzy's true colours with involving Tableeghi and politics long before you did.

If I call out on evil that doesn't mean I have an agenda:

"Quoting an example of the factions that had developed within the team, Intikhab confessed that a group of "six to seven" players had gone to the former captain Inzamam-ul-Haq's house before the UAE tour prior to the Australia series, where they "took oath on the Quran that they will remain united against (the then captain) Younis Khan".

I will speak out against Inzi when he orchestrated division in the team to weaken Younis Khan. Intikhab Alam has confessed that this happened and this disproves your claim that there was no rift between Inzy and YK when it was the complete opposite. It sounded more like a bitter old man who had immense hatred for him.

Before we talk about taking me to the cleaners, lets first give Janaza to your logic.
 
ArsenalFC said:
I can see you continue to conveniently ignore facts to support your narrative.

Regardless of the source, you're still disregarding the fact that the interview happened and YK said those things against Inzy's regime, whether you like it or not. If he was this open about his views, I am sure he would have said this directly to his face.

Just because it doesn't come out officially or in the open, it doesn't mean that rifts don't happen. For e.g. Michael Clarke had bad blood with Watson but we never found out about it until the autobiography came out. You make a gross assumption that the fact you were watching cricket in the 2000s gives you absolute knowledge of what was going on behind the scenes. I know this to be false because I watched cricket throughout the 2000s yet I knew about Inzy's true colours with involving Tableeghi and politics long before you did.

If I call out on evil that doesn't mean I have an agenda:

"Quoting an example of the factions that had developed within the team, Intikhab confessed that a group of "six to seven" players had gone to the former captain Inzamam-ul-Haq's house before the UAE tour prior to the Australia series, where they "took oath on the Quran that they will remain united against (the then captain) Younis Khan".

I will speak out against Inzi when he orchestrated division in the team to weaken Younis Khan. Intikhab Alam has confessed that this happened and this disproves your claim that there was no rift between Inzy and YK when it was the complete opposite. It sounded more like a bitter old man who had immense hatred for him.

Before we talk about taking me to the cleaners, lets first give Janaza to your logic.
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You can continue to believe what you want, but it doesn't re-write history as I said. Your whole basis is on a few words YK said about Inzi's regime, when in the article you provided Razzaq is also one of the few miffed about the maulvi regime. And I'm sure there would have been a few others too, since I distinctly remember the environment not being ideal with players forced to offer prayers en-flight aswell. Coming back to Razzaq, he was one of the players present in Inzi's house when the oath-gate took place. So why was Razzaq present when Inzi according to you is a bitter old man who had grudges to take care of.

There is DOCUMENTED proof of what oath-gate was about. You are unfairly disgregarding the role of Mohammad Yousuf, Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi and Abdul Razzaq in orchestrating that, and conveniently blaming the episode on Inzi's regime to suit your narrative. The fact that you don't even seem to realize what really happened around that 09 NZ series makes me question if you really did watch cricket in those times. Khair, as I said you can continue to believe what you want since you have a right to an opinion, however warped that is.

I welcome an individual taking out the Janaza of my logic, if I can see that individual knows what he/she is talking about. I'm afraid, in this instance, you are well out of depth and no amount of XYZ 'friends' references can prove otherwise. Your statement about Misbah and Younis is factually incorrect, based on heresay and taking you to the cleaners for that would be mercy.
 
Usman Chadda said:
You can continue to believe what you want, but it doesn't re-write history as I said. Your whole basis is on a few words YK said about Inzi's regime, when in the article you provided Razzaq is also one of the few miffed about the maulvi regime. And I'm sure there would have been a few others too, since I distinctly remember the environment not being ideal with players forced to offer prayers en-flight aswell. Coming back to Razzaq, he was one of the players present in Inzi's house when the oath-gate took place. So why was Razzaq present when Inzi according to you is a bitter old man who had grudges to take care of.

There is DOCUMENTED proof of what oath-gate was about. You are unfairly disgregarding the role of Mohammad Yousuf, Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi and Abdul Razzaq in orchestrating that, and conveniently blaming the episode on Inzi's regime to suit your narrative. The fact that you don't even seem to realize what really happened around that 09 NZ series makes me question if you really did watch cricket in those times. Khair, as I said you can continue to believe what you want since you have a right to an opinion, however warped that is.

I welcome an individual taking out the Janaza of my logic, if I can see that individual knows what he/she is talking about. I'm afraid, in this instance, you are well out of depth and no amount of XYZ 'friends' references can prove otherwise. Your statement about Misbah and Younis is factually incorrect, based on heresay and taking you to the cleaners for that would be mercy.
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Incorrect - I have 3 sources; 2 of them publicised (Inti and YK) and the other are the words of Mushtaq Ahmed. If you can't disapprove the statments made by the duo then you have no leg to stand on. Everyone knows Razzaq is a flip flop and is an unreliable individual going by the stuff he spouts in the media.

Also you know what happened during Inzy's regime when you say "maulvi regime" and forceful praying and etc. It was clearly a bad environment, so I don't know why you feel the need to divert the blame on to other players. No doubt they were also culpable but let's not try to run away from the argument here.

Your logic was taken for the Janaza earlier with the nonsense about Kohli and Wasim . I'm glad you're on PP and not a member of the coaching staff otherwise you'd be telling the players to not aspire to be a Wasim or Kohli but a bunch of forgotten mediocre nobodies. You see everyone works hard but that can only go so far if these players don't have the routine and mentality that both of these household names possess (or possessed in the case of Wasim). If Pakistan is going to have a future as a world class team in all formats, it needs the Kohlis and Wasim Akrams to inspire generations to come to follow their footsteps.

You may have watched for a long time like myself but your experience doesn't equate to much insight whatsoever.
 
The problem is society. Pakistani players start out fresh faced well presented then become socialised into a mess like Azhar Ali and how Shadab and Imad and Hasan Ali are progressing. Have a shave look smart.
 
Apologies to be bumping my own thread - but I.am beginning to feel we have found a superstar. Someone whom you know the opposition will fear even before the game starts.

We have been starved for one for so long - Abbas is the real thing.
 
Babar azam is on his way to become superstar.Pakistan crowd also want to see him bat which is heartwarming to see
 
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The reception Babar got today was unreal. What a feeling it must be. Deafening roars for Babar at NSK today.
 
To be a real superstar in Pakistan, not only do you have to be talented but you have to be good looking. Yes i know its absurd, but its the truth, why was imran woshipped by women but few knew miandads name.
Afridi is another example.
Bobby is not good looking enough to be a superstar to jamila public!
 
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Captain caveman said:
To be a real superstar in Pakistan, not only do you have to be talented but you have to be good looking. Yes i know its absurd, but its the truth, why was imran woshipped by women but few knew miandads name.
Afridi is another example.
Bobby is not good looking enough to be a superstar to jamila public!
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How come Kohli is a superstar then. He is very average looking too.

And forget Kohli lol he is atleast presentabke and very fit.

Sachin was a 5 foot tall midget while being fairly average looking and he is big a superstar as they come.
 
Slog said:
How come Kohli is a superstar then. He is very average looking too.

And forget Kohli lol he is atleast presentabke and very fit.

Sachin was a 5 foot tall midget while being fairly average looking and he is big a superstar as they come.
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I am talking about Pakistanis!
Indians dont go for looks, they had kapil dev and we had imran khan, enough said.
 
pakistani cricket though needs patience and persistence with the young guys , winning is important but important at the moment is building up a team now and allow the young ones the room to express themselves and not worry about being chopped after a couple of failures. The way pakistan ousted shadab and faheem from the test side is the reason that we wont be able to build a team. We will always choose players who may win you today but wont guarantee a future. Sami aslam is another example of failure to retain a young one.
 
JibranAnsari said:
what are you talking about?saeed anwar and waqar younis both were super stars in 90s , even saqlain mushtaq was a superstar too.
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Yes they were superstars to the cricket watching public, but the ladies who werent regular watchers of cricket had no idea who they were, but they knew imran khan, wasim akram, shahid afridi etc.
To be a proper superstar in pak, you need to be good looking.
 
Captain caveman said:
Yes they were superstars to the cricket watching public, but the ladies who werent regular watchers of cricket had no idea who they were, but they knew imran khan, wasim akram, shahid afridi etc.
To be a proper superstar in pak, you need to be good looking.
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So you're talking about ladies, should have said so earlier.
 
Captain caveman said:
I said in my first post by women.and i used the term jamila public(pakistani female version of joe public)
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You have a curious definition for superstar, and I predict you will keep changing it so that you can disregard Babar from different angles. Go ahead.

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For me, I have seen enough videos of the public chanting Babar's name, enough kids saying they look up to him, enough young batsmen who have mentioned him as a role model - to know where he stands. It's also a by-product of the general mediocrity in the team at the moment; with good performances, the likes of Shaheen can also have an impact. The fact is that having a batsman like Babar in the team is a completely new experience for Pakistan as a nation in the last few years. Inzamam was perhaps the last one who carried such high expectations, no matter the format.
 
Usman Chadda said:
So superstars are determined by how popular players are with the ladies?
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If you are looking at the wider audience then yes.
If you are looking at just cricket fans no.
But to get the crowds in you need the ladies to want to come and watch, which means the kids will also.come, you have already quadruple your attendance by that(mum plus 2/3 kids).
 
Superstars are made over a period of time and not overnight

Babar will get there, but the cupboard is bare at the moment regarding superstars. It's either has-beens or upcoming players.
 
Lets get away from the ladies.
Average Pakistani wont be into babar because he is not a 150kph bowler bowling inswinging yorkers, smashing the wickets.
Yes hes a batsman, but he doesnt hit sixes like afridi and thats what our awam want to see.
Only die hard fans like us know he is a superstar, but his appeal will not go past us unless he plays a match winning innings in a world cup final, insha Allah.
 
Captain caveman said:
To be a real superstar in Pakistan, not only do you have to be talented but you have to be good looking. Yes i know its absurd, but its the truth, why was imran woshipped by women but few knew miandads name.
Afridi is another example.
Bobby is not good looking enough to be a superstar to jamila public!
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Is the definition of a 'superstar' so shallow? Is this what a player, who represents the Islamic Republic of Pakistan at the global stage, is recommended to strive to become? If it is, then I'm glad Babar isn't one.

From my perspective, a 'superstar' is one of those guys who has a bit of a character, who likes to be in the face of the opposition, who plays for the country with great passion, often lifts when the rest of the team is down and has the ability & mindset to change the course of the game. Perhaps most importantly, has the ability to inspire the next generation of cricketers in his/her nation. Two examples that come to mind that haven't been mentioned are Rashid Khan and Ben Stokes.

The former, in particular, doesn't publically engage in any of these senseless and western-influenced practices. The guy has already set up a charity foundation despite being an International cricketer for just a couple of years. Now, this guy is a genuine 'superstar' and an inspiration for his nation's next generation.

I know that the definition of a 'superstar' can be quite subjective, but surely, it can't be as superficial and silly as to be simply boiled down to 'looks'.

Also, I am a firm/staunch supporter of Imran Khan, but he has conceded it quite a few times himself that he regrets his lifestyle of the past.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
Is the definition of a 'superstar' so shallow? Is this what a player, who represents the Islamic Republic of Pakistan at the global stage, is recommended to strive to become? If it is, then I'm glad Babar isn't one.

From my perspective, a 'superstar' is one of those guys who has a bit of a character, who likes to be in the face of the opposition, who plays for the country with great passion, often lifts when the rest of the team is down and has the ability & mindset to change the course of the game. Perhaps most importantly, has the ability to inspire the next generation of cricketers in his/her nation. Two examples that come to mind that haven't been mentioned are Rashid Khan and Ben Stokes.

The former, in particular, doesn't publically engage in any of these senseless and western-influenced practices. The guy has already set up a charity foundation despite being an International cricketer for just a couple of years. Now, this guy is a genuine 'superstar' and an inspiration for his nation's next generation.

I know that the definition of a 'superstar' can be quite subjective, but surely, it can't be as superficial and silly as to be simply boiled down to 'looks'.

Also, I am a firm/staunch supporter of Imran Khan, but he has conceded it quite a few times himself that he regrets his lifestyle of the past.
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I am talking about the wider public and not just cricket fans.
Also our awam are not that well adversed in cricket and like seeing 150kph bowlers smashing wickets or batsman hitting sixes.
Babar does not do those things, he is a classy off side driver of the ball.
 
[MENTION=149691]Captain caveman[/MENTION]. So you are talking about someone becoming a household name or a phenomenon? To be honest that is rare even in cricketing world and if you take it to worldwide phenomenon than I think its even rarer in the history of cricket. Imran Khan maybe the only one around the cricket world who was known in countries who dont play cricket, even if we push we can maybe add 1 or 2 others but maybe.

If its the household name I think Imran, Javed, Wasim, Waqar, Afridi and some others will fill that criteria.

However, if its about personality I dont think there is anybody other than Imran in Pak cricket or in the cricketing world like that and there is a low probability it will ever be. Afridi also became a household name but it was mainly due to his fearless batting.
 
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[MENTION=149691]Captain caveman[/MENTION]. So you are talking about someone becoming a household name or a phenomenon? To be honest that is rare even in cricketing world and if you take it to worldwide phenomenon than I think its even rarer in the history of cricket. Imran Khan maybe the only one around the cricket world who was known in countries who dont play cricket, even if we push we can maybe add 1 or 2 others but maybe.

If its the household name I think Imran, Javed, Wasim, Waqar, Afridi and some others will fill that criteria.

However, if its about personality I dont think there is anybody other than Imran in Pak cricket or in the cricketing world like that and there is a low probability it will ever be. Afridi also became a household name but it was mainly due to his fearless batting.
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I am talking about being a superstar in Pakistan, pulling the crowds in like lala or imran or akram. Even miandad was not a superstar in the wider Pakistani public, only the cricket fans.
 
Captain caveman said:
To be a real superstar in Pakistan, not only do you have to be talented but you have to be good looking. Yes i know its absurd, but its the truth, why was imran woshipped by women but few knew miandads name.
Afridi is another example.
Bobby is not good looking enough to be a superstar to jamila public!
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This is actually quite offensive to ladies.
This reflects the thinking that they have no cricketing IQ and are so shallow that they will only like a player and flock to the stadium to see him if he is goodlooking.
And what does jamila mean?? Isnt jamila arabic for beautiful? Jamila public???
 
Captain caveman said:
To be a real superstar in Pakistan, not only do you have to be talented but you have to be good looking. Yes i know its absurd, but its the truth, why was imran woshipped by women but few knew miandads name.
Afridi is another example.
Bobby is not good looking enough to be a superstar to jamila public!
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[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] why this dude is getting away with some ridiculous comments .
 
Captain caveman said:
I am talking about being a superstar in Pakistan, pulling the crowds in like lala or imran or akram. Even miandad was not a superstar in the wider Pakistani public, only the cricket fans.
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Cricket wasnt happening in Pak for a decade so we dont know the new trends but you are right its difficult to match Imran, Afridi, Wasim and I would even add Akhtar. I dont think we have many such personalities and neither does international cricket to be honest maybe Kohli but I think Babar has decent chance to attract large portion of audience.

Though I think T20s and leagues with good players fills the stadiums everywhere now while I dont think even Afridi, Wasim etc were able to fill the stadiums in test matches by late 90s.
 
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Green Patriot said:
This is actually quite offensive to ladies.
This reflects the thinking that they have no cricketing IQ and are so shallow that they will only like a player and flock to the stadium to see him if he is goodlooking.
And what does jamila mean?? Isnt jamila arabic for beautiful? Jamila public???
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Yep but the guy has to be good as well, both looks and ability are required.
Its true for most pakistani women, but i appreciate your feminist solidarity.
 
Captain caveman said:
Yep but the guy has to be good as well, both looks and ability are required.
Its true for most pakistani women, but i appreciate your feminist solidarity.
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I completely disagree.
As a female fan of Babar Azam with a large group of fellow female friends who would all pay to watch Babar bat simply because he is good at what he does and certainly not because of his looks, i would say that you are generalizing women here.

It is time we stop propogating that majority of the women in Pakistan follow cricket for eye candy. There may be a odd few but you cant generalize all of us. Many of us follow cricket because we are genuinely interested in the game. And if a player is good at what he does he will get its due regardless of his average looks.
 
Captain caveman said:
To be a real superstar in Pakistan, not only do you have to be talented but you have to be good looking. Yes i know its absurd, but its the truth, why was imran woshipped by women but few knew miandads name.
Afridi is another example.
Bobby is not good looking enough to be a superstar to jamila public!
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You are trying way to hard to force Your ideas on others lol
i never followed a single celebrity let alone a Cricketer .But You have to realize Bobby is different He is becoming obsession For Cricket fans You might not realize this now but you will soon
 
Green Patriot said:
I completely disagree.
As a female fan of Babar Azam with a large group of fellow female friends who would all pay to watch Babar bat simply because he is good at what he does and certainly not because of his looks, i would say that you are generalizing women here.

It is time we stop propogating that majority of the women in Pakistan follow cricket for eye candy. There may be a odd few but you cant generalize all of us. Many of us follow cricket because we are genuinely interested in the game. And if a player is good at what he does he will get its due regardless of his average looks.
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Take a survey and let me know the results, if you want to save time, Pakistani women like to watch talented AND good looking guys play cricket, except for world cups, when patriotism over rules and they want any Pakistani to win the game, even safaraz ahmad can become a hero!
 
Captain caveman said:
I am talking about Pakistanis!
Indians dont go for looks, they had kapil dev and we had imran khan, enough said.
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And who said he not good looking .he might not have A Fair skin like Kohli but He certainly wil look better look then kohli in upcoming years its all about confidence and maintaining yourself which he will He Certainly is stamping his authority on games since December tour of SA
 
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And who said he not good looking .he might not have A Fair skin like Kohli but He certainly wil look better look then kohli in upcoming years its all about confidence and maintaining yourself which he will He Certainly is stamping his authority on games since December tour of SA
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and in these cases i am not the beholder, but the female awam of Pakistan.
 
Captain caveman said:
Take a survey and let me know the results, if you want to save time, Pakistani women like to watch talented AND good looking guys play cricket, except for world cups, when patriotism over rules and they want any Pakistani to win the game, even safaraz ahmad can become a hero!
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Lmao. I literally just negated your view with a personal narrative and yet you are harping on about it. It is quite shallow of you to think that women will not enjoy a good game of cricket and appreciate a good sportsman simply because he might not be blessed with super good looks(which is subjective btw). Do you even hear yourself?

It is your personal dislike for Babar which is not letting you accept that he might be popular in Pakistan becuase of what he does.
 
Green Patriot said:
I completely disagree.
As a female fan of Babar Azam with a large group of fellow female friends who would all pay to watch Babar bat simply because he is good at what he does and certainly not because of his looks, i would say that you are generalizing women here.

It is time we stop propogating that majority of the women in Pakistan follow cricket for eye candy. There may be a odd few but you cant generalize all of us. Many of us follow cricket because we are genuinely interested in the game. And if a player is good at what he does he will get its due regardless of his average looks.
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No point of arguing with him.

The guy thinks Asad Shafiq is better than Babar Azam

Still don't understand why he hates Babar Azam so much.
 
Why are shahid afridi and shoaib akhtar superstars while yousuf, younis and misbah arent?

Captain Cavemans point is valid, looks play a huge role in pakistan.

What is the reason behind huge fanbase of ahmad shahzad and imad wasim.?
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Why are shahid afridi and shoaib akhtar superstars while yousuf, younis and misbah arent?

Captain Cavemans point is valid, looks play a huge role in pakistan.

What is the reason behind huge fanbase of ahmad shahzad and imad wasim.?
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Thanks bro for understanding what i am saying.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Then why are you assuming that girls don't find Babar good-looking or would not come to the stadium to watch him just because he's "not good looking"?
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Because non of the Pakistani females i know are taken with babar regardless of his classy cover drives.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Why are shahid afridi and shoaib akhtar superstars while yousuf, younis and misbah arent?

Captain Cavemans point is valid, looks play a huge role in pakistan.

What is the reason behind huge fanbase of ahmad shahzad and imad wasim.?
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Personality plays a part aswell. Afridi and Shoaib know how to stay in headlines and amount of times they been in headlines have helped them. Also Afridi was a Pakistan superstar after his 1st ODI innings of his fasted 100. Fans since start coming just to watch his batting that had nothing with his looks.

People like Ahmed Shehzad uses social media to good affect and has attracted fans via that.

Inzamam is a Pakistan legend what looks did he have. Waqar Younis, Javed Miandad.

Regarding [MENTION=110712]Captain[/MENTION]caveman comment about Pakistan ladies. Don't stereo type Pakistani ladies with your weird thinking. That is very offensive. I have given points above. And likes of Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Imran Khan and Shoaib Malik to a extent had much more lady fans out of Pakistan then inside Pakistan so stop with your foolish thinking my friend.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Why are shahid afridi and shoaib akhtar superstars while yousuf, younis and misbah arent?

Captain Cavemans point is valid, looks play a huge role in pakistan.

What is the reason behind huge fanbase of ahmad shahzad and imad wasim.?
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Erm, you actually think Shoaib Akhtar is handsome and good looking and so is a superstar in Pakistan?
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Why are shahid afridi and shoaib akhtar superstars while yousuf, younis and misbah arent?

Captain Cavemans point is valid, looks play a huge role in pakistan.

What is the reason behind huge fanbase of ahmad shahzad and imad wasim.?
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You think Imad and Shoaib are better looking than Younis and Misbah ?
Looks does not matter, its your performance and on/off field antics that determine your superstar status in Pakistan.
 
Babar Azam
Shaheen Shah

The two big icons of Pakistani cricket

It's extremely early but if they continue performing like this they will beat most greats of Pakistan even end up as ATG players

We have had no new stars since 2000 even in the 90s apart from Akhtar and Afridi most of our stars came to the international scene in the 80s

YK and Yousuf were the last ones that could be called 'great'.
 
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