Pakistan defeat Cricket Australia XI by 201 runs to win D/N warm-up game

[Syed1]

Haan bhai where them Amir haters at?


Kidhar hain nazar nahi ahrahay

Boys please respond to me, I beg of you )

 

[yasir]

Good workout for Amir.

At least some of the critics would be silenced.

What about you? - If I am not mistaken, you want him out of the team too

 

[yasir]

Every shield captain has known this for a few years now.

Set batsman can handle the pink ball at night - a new batsman can't

This is not necessarily true in UAE, but down under, that is key part of strategy!!

 

[Dr_Bassim]

What about you? - If I am not mistaken, you want him out of the team too

I don't want him out of the team.

I want him to be criticized when he doesn't perform just like Rahat and Sohail are criticized.

It's the "Holy Messiah Amir" attitude I despise.

Secondly, if you want me to be blunt, bowling to a bunch of nobodies is just a good workout.

It's hardly the sign of a great international bowler.

Amir also swung the ball like that in Asia Cup T20 when the conditions suited him.

It's on flat tracks he is borderline pedestrian, and nothing he has done so far, makes me indicate he is going to be better otherwise.

All in all, I repeat, a good workout for Amir.

 

[yasir]

importantly, one of the CA XI wickets was caught in slips

I bet you if Amir's first ball was catch at slip, it would have been dropped... With Warner/Usman (left handers), slip plays a lot more important role, Amir is not going to get leftys bowled/LBW, like in NZ second test, he got 2 in first over too, but catches were not kept... Also, more important things is bowling at right time, under lights!!! - You are not going to get that kind of swing in day light.

 

[yasir]

I don't want him out of the team.

I want him to be criticized when he doesn't perform just like Rahat and Sohail are criticized.

It's the "Holy Messiah Amir" attitude I despise.

Secondly, if you want me to be blunt, bowling to a bunch of nobodies is just a good workout.

It's hardly the sign of a great international bowler.

Amir also swung the ball like that in Asia Cup T20 when the conditions suited him.

It's on flat tracks he is borderline pedestrian, and nothing he has done so far, makes me indicate he is going to be better otherwise.

All in all, I repeat, a good workout for Amir.

My view is simple, problem is not Amir but others. Pakistan need another World Class (Capacity wise) fast bowler to become a world round attack. Others (Sohail/Rahat/Wahab) bowl too many loose deliveries, they cannot maintain pressure... Strac and HW work together, if you remove one, other will become average, people we see him off, that's what has been happening in case of Amir... Amir and Asif worked well, because even if they were not taking wickets there was no breather to batsmen, they were still tested... Where as Rahat will bowl short and wide in every fricking over, he did that even today when opposition was 0/2

You are not going to rip through test batsmen all the time, but consistent channels and pressure is key, which is completely missing from other bowlers, not to mention 12 dropped catches, mostly in first 3/4 overs does not help either... Anderson/Broad, Styen/Phill, even in modern times, bowlers work in pair, you rarely see single bowler shinning, that does not work, no matter how talented you are.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Amir still needs plenty of work. Don't be misled by the swing.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Pen It Down.

Pakistan cannot Win or Draw this Series even our Batsman Bat at a Runrate of Less than 3.25 per innings.

2.44 ? Never Ever.

 

[Markhor]

Whilst one can't always read too much into a tour match and a day night one at that - the batting is still a concern.

What's frustrating is most of the wickets we lost were during the daylight hours not after dusk when the ball is swinging prodigiously.

We also took our sweet time getting to 208, nobody wants reckless strokeplay but a RR of 3 should be a minimum. We are rather a one-paced batting unit.

 

[hadi123]

Amir may have bowled well but remember he bowled well against Somerset in the tour game, we all thought he was going to singlehandedly win us the series but he was bang average. Not getting my hopes up

 

[moghul]

After scoring a "glorious" 50, against some under 19 and club level cricketers, Younis Khan has solidified his seat for next three tests and beyond.

 

[MRSN]

Pen It Down.

Pakistan cannot Win or Draw this Series even our Batsman Bat at a Runrate of Less than 3.25 per innings.

2.44 ? Never Ever.

exactly. The trick that worked in UAE won't work outside unless the Aussie batting choke to Yasir' Shah's non turning straight balls like the England batsmen did I don't see Pakistan's strategy working.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

exactly. The trick that worked in UAE won't work outside unless the Aussie batting choke to Yasir' Shah's non turning straight balls like the England batsmen did I don't see Pakistan's strategy working.

I hope they improve their runrate.


More than Yasir I would rely on our pacers because he isn't as good against lefties plus he will be coming back from injury and he isn't a big turner of the ball.

 

[MRSN]

I hope they improve their runrate.


More than Yasir I would rely on our pacers because he isn't as good against lefties plus he will be coming back from injury and he isn't a big turner of the ball.

missing off spinner badly. Should have picked Hafeez instead of Asgher in my opinion or a specialist off spinner. Once again we just can't put up best selection.

 

[o_ahsan99]

How strong is this CA XI. Are these players who are knocking at the doors of international cricket OR are they talented players who can be potential internationals in a few years time?

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Apparently lighting was poor.

 

[Pete Rose]

How strong is this CA XI. Are these players who are knocking at the doors of international cricket OR are they talented players who can be potential internationals in a few years time?

Let me put it this way: their bowlers are mediocre if our batsmen fail and their batsmen are mediocre if our bowlers do well.

 

[Pete Rose]

Let's see how the Pakistani bowlers do during the day

 

[Chrish]

How strong is this CA XI. Are these players who are knocking at the doors of international cricket OR are they talented players who can be potential internationals in a few years time?

They haven't played more than 30 FC matches btw them

 

[Ellipsism]

How strong is this CA XI. Are these players who are knocking at the doors of international cricket OR are they talented players who can be potential internationals in a few years time?

Team is comprised of young and inexperienced talent. I wouldn't take any performance against such a side seriously.

 

[Bilal7]

Apparently, Amir bowled the best he has ever bowled since his comeback. Good signs for us.

 

[kamz]

Let me put it this way: their bowlers are mediocre if our batsmen fail and their batsmen are mediocre if our bowlers do well.

summarised not just thread but the whole of pakpassion

 

[Chief Destroyer]

How long till it starts?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Let me put it this way: their bowlers are mediocre if our batsmen fail and their batsmen are mediocre if our bowlers do well.

Or how about this way?

Who cares if we thrash them by 500 runs, if we can't do the same against Australia.

Let's not make it more bigger than it seems until real cricket starts.

And yes of course, LOSING TO CLUB SIDE, should have more criticism.

WINNING SHOULD NOT BE PRAISED because it is expected.

That is hallmark of cricket all over the world.

Real cricket is against real side.

 

[Xoib]

Apparently, Amir bowled the best he has ever bowled since his comeback. Good signs for us.

Against joe nobodys in helpful conditions just accept the bloke is finished abd will never be back to his 2010 self.

 

[godzilla]

After scoring a "glorious" 50, against some under 19 and club level cricketers, Younis Khan has solidified his seat for next three tests and beyond.

i agree. if only he had scored a sublime 18 like technique shafiq, and shown us all that technique is what wins matches, not runs, it would have been so much better. or perhaps a scintillating run a ball 16 off 40 deliveries from "some under 19 and club level cricketers". if only he done that instead he might have solidified his seat for the next three years.

 

[moghul]

Against joe nobodys in helpful conditions just accept the bloke is finished abd will never be back to his 2010 self.

Just 24 YO, coming out after a very long lay off, getting his rhythm back and improving with every game, still best bowler in Pak team and you already have "finished " him.

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

It's so frustrating to see Rahat bowl atleast 1 or two poor deliveries every over

 

[angrypathan]

Four, Rahat with his customary boundary ball

 

[angrypathan]

Another drop off Amir oh my goodness

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

Catch dropped off Amir again?

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

Amir is bowling superbly but this was the case against Somerset too.

 

[yasir]

Was that dropped catch or bowl bounce before reaching Azhar ??

 

[yasir]

Amir is bowling superbly but this was the case against Somerset too.

Now people say why Amir is not taking wicket. Well putting pressure is one thing too bowlers do, he has been bowling tight throughout most tests.

Imagine another bowler is bowling like him on other end, wouldn't Pakistan will get more wickets consistently like Stracener and HW?? - Fast bowling is lot about bowling in pairs. Others just make batsmen relax

 

[yasir]

That LBW was very close, looked more out than not

 

[Taaya]

Was that dropped catch or bowl bounce before reaching Azhar ??

It was a dropped catch by Azhar. It was a dolly too.

 

[angrypathan]

Nawaz bowls a pie and gets hit for four

 

[Junaids]

Misbah is notoriously conservative and stubborn but he is at least highly intelligent.

Surely he can see the difference between the NEW BALL effectiveness of the Pink Ball under lights in Australia and in daylight:

Amir and Rahat under floodlights: 3-2-3-4
Amir and Rahat, same ball by day: 9-4-9-0

It's a colossal difference.

But it's also exactly what every other bowling team has experienced in Pink Ball Day/Night cricket in Australia.

It's why it's absolutely essential that you bowl from Dinner time onwards. If you bowl for the last hour you might find the light has stabilized and that you take no wickets - that's what happened to FAF at Adelaide.

But at Cairns and Brisbane, the first hour after dinner has continuously changing lighting conditions which are incredibly hard to bat in, no matter how "in" the batsman is. That's actually why Younis and Shafiq got out last night.

Pakistan needs to "unlearn" how to play Test cricket, just for the Brisbane Test. They need to score as many runs as possible in the 55-60 overs before the lights take over, and then use the remaining 30 overs to knock over the entire Aussie top order.

Don't forget, Dave Warner and Steve Smith were in the teams which were 60 all out and 85 all out the last time that the Aussies had to bat in such conditions. (Adelaide doesn't count, because FAF gave himself too few overs under lights).

 

[jeetu]

Pakistanis 208
v CA XI 27/4 (15 ov)

 

[yasir]

Misbah is notoriously conservative and stubborn but he is at least highly intelligent.

Surely he can see the difference between the NEW BALL effectiveness of the Pink Ball under lights in Australia and in daylight:

Amir and Rahat under floodlights: 3-2-3-4
Amir and Rahat, same ball by day: 9-4-9-0

It's a colossal difference.

But it's also exactly what every other bowling team has experienced in Pink Ball Day/Night cricket in Australia.

It's why it's absolutely essential that you bowl from Dinner time onwards. If you bowl for the last hour you might find the light has stabilized and that you take no wickets - that's what happened to FAF at Adelaide.

But at Cairns and Brisbane, the first hour after dinner has continuously changing lighting conditions which are incredibly hard to bat in, no matter how "in" the batsman is. That's actually why Younis and Shafiq got out last night.

Pakistan needs to "unlearn" how to play Test cricket, just for the Brisbane Test. They need to score as many runs as possible in the 55-60 overs before the lights take over, and then use the remaining 30 overs to knock over the entire Aussie top order.

Don't forget, Dave Warner and Steve Smith were in the teams which were 60 all out and 85 all out the last time that the Aussies had to bat in such conditions. (Adelaide doesn't count, because FAF gave himself too few overs under lights).

That's why it's even more important to play Sharjeel. We cannot have this UAE style slow run rate in day and night match. 70 ball 18, 140 ball 50 is not going to cut it. You need 60 ball 50 here.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

34/4.....Nawaz bowling absolute Filth here

 

[jeetu]

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[tr][td]Mohammad Amir [/td][td]7 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0.71 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Rahat Ali [/td][td]6 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2.16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Nawaz (3) [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]5.5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wahab Riaz [/td][td]1.3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2.66 [/td][/tr]
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[Junaids]

Expanding on my post above:

1) When batting in the First Hour of Day 1, or any Night session:
a) aim for 2 runs per over and survival. 30 runs for 2 wickets each such hour is just fine.
b) that means that if you start batting under lights you will be 60-4 at the end of the session

2. When batting in daylight at any other time
a) Aim to score 4 runs per over. You need to score around 110-120 runs in every daylight session.
b) Always aim to declare at Dinner. Understand that that might mean only having 220 on the board.
c) Never, ever slow down in daylight (unless you are 8 wickets down in the first session and trying to avoid bowling until it gets dark. If you do bat too slow, your opponent won't have to bat against you under lights but will be off the hook and only face you by daylight the next day.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

When will Wahab leave this overstepping virus ??? bowls no balls as if he's net bowling every game !!

 

[FreakCricket]

Nice bouncers wahabooi

 

[FreakCricket]

Oh boy that's a wet dream but could backfire as we know Pakistan cricket

 

[Dr_Bassim]

What happened to Amir today?

No swing, so no wickets?

I admit Amir in swinging conditions is a handful, but when the wicket eases out, he is no Wasim or Waqar in the making.

No need to drop him, just lower the expectations.

 

[Junaids]

That's why it's even more important to play Sharjeel. We cannot have this UAE style slow run rate in day and night match. 70 ball 18, 140 ball 50 is not going to cut it. You need 60 ball 50 here.

I actually agree. A Pink Ball Test team in Australia is nothing like a Red Ball Test team. You need players who:

1. can score quick runs in daylight,
2. can survive 60 overs minimum and 90 overs maximum. You would never want to bat more than 90 overs because that is what you'd do if you started batting after Dinner one day. Otherwise you will always want to bat 60-90 overs.
3. can take slip catches
4. can score tailend runs in case you bat from Dinner onwards and are 50-6 overnight. That is no disaster if you can then bat until an hour after lunch and convert it into 220 all out.

If I had to try to create a specialized Pink Ball team for Aussie conditions for Pakistan, this is what I'd create:

1. Sami Aslam (left-hander to negate Starc)
2. Babar Azam
3. Sharjeel Khan
4. Asad Shafiq
5. Umar Akmal - slip fielder
6. Mohammad Hafeez - to bowl off-spin
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Aamer Yamin
9. Hasan Ali
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Mohammad Asif

This is the strongest tail that I can muster, and it includes 4 quicks plus an off-spinner for 7 Aussie left-handers.

I know this batting is optimized to only last 50-60 overs, but that's fine because there are no circumstances in which it's ever okay to bat more than 90 overs in a Pink Ball Test in Australia.

One last point.

If I do have to bat from Dinner, and I'm 30-3 halfway through the session, I switch my batting order. I use Hasan Ali at 5 then Aamer Yamin at 6 and then Mohammad Amir at 7. I'm saving Umar Akmal and Mohammad Hafeez to bat in daylight the following day, because I know that they should fairly quickly bolster the score.

If I lose both Hasan Ali and Aamer Yamin then I'm 60-5 overnight. But Sarfraz, Umar and Hafeez stand a good chance in easy daylight conditions of converting that into 200 all out.

200 is the magic number in Aussie Pink Ball conditions.

200 in the bank and a new ball for 30 overs under lights is a great position.

260 like Du Plessis had but no wickets down and 2 daylight sessions to bowl is a much worse position to be in. Once you understand that, it's much easier to plan.


take slip catches

 

[Xoib]

Just 24 YO, coming out after a very long lay off, getting his rhythm back and improving with every game, still best bowler in Pak team and you already have "finished " him.

24 is a peak age for fast bowler he is a has been or i dare say a never been.

 

[Xoib]

What happened to Amir today?

No swing, so no wickets?

I admit Amir in swinging conditions is a handful, but when the wicket eases out, he is no Wasim or Waqar in the making.

No need to drop him, just lower the expectations.

As mamoon puts it a poor man's anderson and that is a compliment

 

[jeetu]

CAXI 40/4 (19 ov)

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

Now people say why Amir is not taking wicket. Well putting pressure is one thing too bowlers do, he has been bowling tight throughout most tests.

Imagine another bowler is bowling like him on other end, wouldn't Pakistan will get more wickets consistently like Stracener and HW?? - Fast bowling is lot about bowling in pairs. Others just make batsmen relax

Pakistan need another bowler who can continue to put pressure on the batsmen.

This is why I'm against the the selection of Sohail Khan and Rahat Ali. Both bowl 1 or 2 horrific deliveries per over. Pakistan should look to pair Amir with Imran Khan or Mohammed Asif.

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

Batsmen playing Nawaz with ease.

Wahab looking good here, youngsters don't look up to the task of Wahabs pace and bouncers. He will be a handful on these pitches.

 

[angrypathan]

What happened to Amir today?

No swing, so no wickets?

I admit Amir in swinging conditions is a handful, but when the wicket eases out, he is no Wasim or Waqar in the making.

No need to drop him, just lower the expectations.

Dropped catch

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

Rahat Ali short and wide, the batsman plays on. OUT

 

[angrypathan]

60/5

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

Another wicket falls

 

[Chief Destroyer]

strikes.

 

[angrypathan]

60/6 Rahat gets another wicket. Flicked the glove as the batsmen attempted to leave the ball, caught behind

 

[Chief Destroyer]

strikes again.

 

[jeetu]

Cricket Australia XI 61/6 (25.5 ov)

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

Hope Pakistan doesn't play Rahat Ali because of two lucky wickets. Imran Khan deserves a go

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Amir, Yasir, Rahat, Sohail for the first Test

Amir, Yasir, Wahab, Rahat/Sohail for the other 2

 

[jeetu]

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[tr][td]Mohammad Amir [/td][td]7 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0.71 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Rahat Ali [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]2.14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Nawaz [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wahab Riaz [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2.8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Azhar Ali [/td][td]1.5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]3.81 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

 

[angrypathan]

Hope Pakistan doesn't play Rahat Ali because of two lucky wickets. Imran Khan deserves a go

Not playing Imran in this game probably suggests he won't be picked for the first test, since it's unlikely he's just being rested after playing one game in the past many months unlike Sohail

 

[Junaids]

What happened to Amir today?

No swing, so no wickets?

I admit Amir in swinging conditions is a handful, but when the wicket eases out, he is no Wasim or Waqar in the making.

No need to drop him, just lower the expectations.

I know that I disappoint you with my leniency towards the convicted fixers, but have you read any of my numerous posts about Day/Night conditions in Australia?

First session = very easy batting conditions
Second session = easy first hour, getting trickier in the second hour as the light fails.
Third session first hour = nightmare batting conditions as the light constantly changes
Third session final hour = tricky batting conditions

 

[Junaids]

Hope Pakistan doesn't play Rahat Ali because of two lucky wickets. Imran Khan deserves a go

Of this squad, Rahat is probably the second most well-suited Pink Ball bowler after Amir.

And I agree, for the Pink Ball Test only I'd pick Imran Khan as my third quick bowler.

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

Not playing Imran in this game probably suggests he won't be picked for the first test, since it's unlikely he's just being rested after playing one game in the past many months unlike Sohail

They should play him but I don't think they will.

If Yasir Shah can't go, I reckon Pakistan will go with four seamers. Amir, Sohail, Rahat and Wahab

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

Of this squad, Rahat is probably the second most well-suited Pink Ball bowler after Amir.

And I agree, for the Pink Ball Test only I'd pick Imran Khan as my third quick bowler.

Is Sohail Khan a given in your playing eleven?
I'd go with Amir, Imran Khan, Wahab and Sohail Khan.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Is Sohail Khan a given in your playing eleven?
I'd go with Amir, Imran Khan, Wahab and Sohail Khan.

Yasir has to play. Even the first Test

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I know that I disappoint you with my leniency towards the convicted fixers, but have you read any of my numerous posts about Day/Night conditions in Australia?

First session = very easy batting conditions
Second session = easy first hour, getting trickier in the second hour as the light fails.
Third session first hour = nightmare batting conditions as the light constantly changes
Third session final hour = tricky batting conditions

But Amir is not dependent on conditions for picking up wickets?

Is he ??

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

Yasir has to play. Even the first Test

You think so? even with so many lefties and the possiblity of getting injured again. If he's the lone spinner, Misbah will have him bowl a ton of overs.

 

[Junaids]

Is Sohail Khan a given in your playing eleven?
I'd go with Amir, Imran Khan, Wahab and Sohail Khan.

Actually, I fear that Sohail Khan is unselectable for a Pink Ball Test in Australia.

His batting would be quite handy, but he just bowls too short for the conditions. I'd leave out Wahab Riaz for the same reason.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Out of all the bowlers, Rahat will enjoy Australian conditions the most. The slightly back of a length he hits is pretty much ideal in Australia.

 

[kingusama92]

What happened to Amir today?

No swing, so no wickets?

I admit Amir in swinging conditions is a handful, but when the wicket eases out, he is no Wasim or Waqar in the making.

No need to drop him, just lower the expectations.

Azhar dropped a sitter off his bowling (of course).

Fair point but not based on his performance today. 4 maidens from 5 overs + a dropped catch is good bowling in any situation.

 

[jeetu]

Cricket Australia XI 89/7 (32.2 ov)

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Good recovery by the boys

 

[Pete Rose]

Out of all the bowlers, Rahat will enjoy Australian conditions the most. The slightly back of a length he hits is pretty much ideal in Australia.

If he can keep it tight he will get wickets: he has the bowling tools for pitch up swing and for back of a length stuff as well.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

If he can keep it tight he will get wickets: he has the bowling tools for pitch up swing and for back of a length stuff as well.

Yup, just has to get that front arm working consistently.

 

[jeetu]

Cricket Australia XI 102/8 (34.3 ov)

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[tr][td]Mohammad Amir [/td][td]7 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0.71 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Rahat Ali [/td][td]11.3 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]2.95 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Nawaz (3) [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wahab Riaz [/td][td]6 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Azhar Ali [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
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