Pakistan defers decision to allow import of cotton, sugar from India

[Itachi]

PM Imran was guests at the royals and other elites in the UK when Modi was serving garam, garam tea.

If you judge a person by the profession he has, then religion has failed to teach/make you realize that each person is equal in almightys eyes. It's a bit disappointing to see it coming from a Muslim since Islam itself says otherwise.

 

[Technics 1210]

Since you are not changing the script let me give it a humble go?
Why Pakistan had to even think about importing Cotton and Sugar?
You can add some more insults if you don’t have clear answers I don’t mind.

The answer is clear cut in the 4th paragraph of the OP.

Following a script is one thing, you're not even reading!

 

[Technics 1210]

The answer is the 4th para in the OP. Call support line if you are having trouble understanding.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

The answer is the 4th para in the OP. Call support line if you are having trouble understanding.

No i wanted an answer from real you but that is not coming out, as you would have to blurt out some hard truths.
Where did the cotton exports of Pakistan go.Used to be a big industry?

But I can understand that why you don’t want to answer that. So as I said, Cheers.

 

[Technics 1210]

Unreal. He asks why Pakistan is importing Sugar/Cotton, despite the reason being clear in the OP.

I think he is looking for a political answer so he can let rip his scripted nonsense against Pakistan. Bechara. Every hole is a goal I guess.

 

[Technics 1210]

"The decision to allow imports of sugar, cotton and wheat from India, seen as a sign of thawing in relations between Islamabad and New Delhi, has been deferred by Pakistan and tied to the status of the disputed Kashmir region."

https://www.rt.com/news/519861-pakistan-india-kashmir-trade/

Defered. Look it up.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Unreal. He asks why Pakistan is importing Sugar/Cotton, despite the reason being clear in the OP.

I think he is looking for a political answer so he can let rip his scripted nonsense against Pakistan. Bechara. Every hole is a goal I guess.

Political answer???
See if you cannot tell the truth I cannot put the goal in hole right?
Once again let me simplify the question as you are avoiding it.
Why the cotton industry of Pakistan is not able to export now? What has changed ? Same for sugar. Why is it more expensive to produce?

 

[Technics 1210]

Political answer???
See if you cannot tell the truth I cannot put the goal in hole right?
Once again let me simplify the question as you are avoiding it.
Why the cotton industry of Pakistan is not able to export nowWhat has changed ? Same for sugar. Why is it more expensive to produce?

Behave. Heard of how Covid19 has hit world wide trade?

 

[Technics 1210]

The decision is defered. I have no idea why anti IK/Pakistanis are doing bhangra. Maybe save the inane ramblings for another rainy day!

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Behave. Heard of how Covid19 has hit world wide trade?

This is from nation.pk which is Pakistani newspaper.
The decline is since 2011, which I am also aware of, since 2011. Just wanted you to accept some hard truths.

See you should do some research

According to the fortnightly report of Pakistan Cotton Ginners Association (PCGA), cotton production fell by 34.35 percent to 5.571 million bales in the current fiscal year 2020-21. In the same period of last year, growers produced 8.487m bales. The shortfall of 2.9m bales portrays a grim situation for the textile industry, which is one of the leading export-oriented sectors and makes 60 percent of the total annual export earnings of Pakistan. Experts lament that the government’s negligence towards the major cash crop for several years is the most significant factor for recording the lowest cotton production in 30 years. As if that was not enough, climate change also affected growth significantly.

Once, this crop was Pakistan’s strength; it was our textile industry’s backbone as well. However, due to the declining yield, the textile sector imports cotton worth billions of rupees. Even an ordinary person understands that the loss of this crop resultantly affects both the agriculture and manufacturing sectors. Unfortunately, Cotton Vision 2015—launched in 2011—under which the government was aiming to achieve a target of 20m bales by 2015, has failed miserably. Today, we produce less cotton than we did in 2011, 10.6m bales.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

A simple google search exposes the brutal truth here.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes folks. Simple Google search proves Pakistan cotton exports were on decline for the past decade, and escaped the wrath of Covid 19.

Reminds me of an Only Fools and Horses line - 'why ask?'

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

[MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION]
https://nation.com.pk/05-Feb-2021/d...tnightly report,growers produced 8.487m bales.


This for sugar in 2019, Pre Covid :
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/415685-27pc-decline-in-sugarcane-cultivation-in-punjab-this-year

See, I read, follow news across the globe and I know since 2010, the agriculture sector of Pakistan is struggling. Reasons are manifold, including the gross incompetence of successive governments, including the current one, High Electricity and Power costs, unscientific crop methods.

Instead of discussing on these points and debating on valid information and data, As usual you always choose to lie, and then some insults and jibes on Indians are support workers and call centre employees etc(as if that is some crime to do).. to Hindutava and other things.
Not in a single post, you brought some insights, some discussion or invalidating my points with data etc.
I would have appreciated that.
So, a lesson for you. Next time, come armed with data and research and debate on that, rather then bringing religion and nationality etc in every single post of yours.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Yes folks. Simple Google search proves Pakistan cotton exports were on decline for the past decade, and escaped the wrath of Covid 19.

Reminds me of an Only Fools and Horses line - 'why ask?'

The truth is out there. If you are not ready to look at and choose to ignore it, it is your prerogative.
Does not change the truth at all.
The news about decline has been in Pakistani news channels since 2011. Nothing new and COVID has nothing to do with it.
Prove it otherwise, if you can bring some valid data into the discussion, that will be helpful.

 

[Technics 1210]

More gibberish in an attempt to limit damage. You have brought no insight, still doing the Modi Hindutva bhangra despite the decision being defered. Now run along and defend your messiah.

What was I thinking, a guy who thought VB studio was in the top 3 selling MS products of all time would understand elementary economics. Oh man!

 

[Technics 1210]

The part I found hillarious is when the Modi defender states Pakistan is not able to export cotton now, only to post 10 year data proving Pakistan were able export for many years.

Bless his cotton socks.

Truly remarkable call centre stuff. Scripted to the tee. Love it.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

The part I found hillarious is when the Modi defender states Pakistan is not able to export cotton now, only to post 10 year data proving Pakistan were able export for many years.

Bless his cotton socks.

Truly remarkable call centre stuff. Scripted to the tee. Love it.

Lol if you don’t understand the words like declining and reasons for importing due to dire neglect, instead of COVID as you blatantly lied about it.

 

[Mamoon]

Conflicting reports are emerging to explain the latest confusion and the foot in my mouth situation that the government finds itself for the billionth time during its comedy reign.

It is said that the new champion of economy, Hammad Azhar, got too aggressive on his first day as finance minister and publicly declared Pakistan’s intentions to swallow its pride and restore trade with India.

When the news reached Kaptaan, he yorked Hammad Azhar after tampering with the ball as usual.

The other report suggests that both Hammad Azhar and Kaptaan were on the same page as far as restoring trade with India is concerned.

However, when the news reached GHQ, the boots panicked and order their subordinate Kaptaan to take a screeching U-turn on this issue because it would destroy the credibility (as if it exists in the first place) of Pakistan’s hardline stance on Kashmir and all the chest-thumping that has been going on over the last 2 years.

This of course has happened only a month after the ISPR declared that the military has nothing to do with national policies.

 

[saeedhk]

It seems to me that Imran is trying to pass the buck to Hammad and and make him the scapegoat. Our PM cannot even withstand any pressure at all!!

I reckon the Boys showed him their boots, then Immy shivered and then reversed his decision.

 

[Tubs]

Honestly, trade with India is good, if it wasn't for the initial bravado.

Though I believe the cause for Kashmir is far more justified than excessive support for Palestine (while very sad, Palestine doesn't give a hoot about Kashmir, and Pakistan isn't nearly as important to Palestine and we like to think), especially because of the selective empathy regarding Uighurs, and the ridiculous 'boycott' of French products.

 

[MenInG]

No need to post unverified content on PP.

 

[Local.Dada]

Why can’t decisions like this made in private and then disclosed to the public. What’s the point of creating this hysteria of trade and peace for a couple of days and then going back to same rhetoric. What exactly did it achieve?

 

[Itachi]

Why can’t decisions like this made in private and then disclosed to the public. What’s the point of creating this hysteria of trade and peace for a couple of days and then going back to same rhetoric. What exactly did it achieve?

The issue is decision was taken in private and then released to the public. But since backslash occurred, the govt retracted.

 

[MenInG]

We wont allow statements attributed to the PM of Pakistan without any proof.

If there is a recording of Imran Khan saying that, please add to this forum - otherwise, all that is just someone trying to have his back against PTI.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2292908/after-trade-faux-pas-fo-says-no-change-in-kashmir-policy

The Foreign Office said on Friday there was no change in Pakistan’s stance on the longstanding Kashmir dispute amid controversy over the government's indecision whether to allow import of sugar and cotton from India.

At a weekly news briefing, FO spokesperson Zahid Hafiz Chaudhri said he had nothing to offer other than what Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi had already stated on the subject.

After the federal cabinet meeting on Thursday, Foreign Minister Qureshi released a video statement stating that the government deferred the decision to import sugar and cotton from India.

He added that there was consensus in the cabinet that normalisation of relationship could only take place if India reviewed its decision of August 5, 2019.

New Delhi on August 5, 2019 revoked the semi-autonomous status of Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK), triggering one of the worst phases of tensions with Pakistan.

In reaction to the India’s unilateral move, Pakistan downgraded diplomatic ties and suspended bilateral trade with India.

But the issue of trade came to surface this week when the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) approved a summary of the ministry of commerce, seeking the import of sugar and cotton from India.

Also read: No trade with India!

The move immediately triggered a strong reaction from opposition particularly from PML-N, which questioned how government could resume trade with India without first getting the special status of IIOJK restored.

The issue came up for approval in the cabinet, which deferred the decision after at least four cabinet members including foreign minister, planning minister, human rights minister and railways minister opposed the ECC suggestion.

The government then formed a sub-committee to look into the matter.

The resumption of trade was seen as part of the gradual push by the two countries to ease tensions. It all started when the director generals of the military operation on February 25 agreed to restore the ceasefire along the Line of Control (LoC).

The two countries also allowed their respective Indus water commissioners to meet in New Delhi, suggesting a thaw. But the cabinet’s move to put on hold the decision of import from India may slow down the rapprochement.

Responding to a question, the spokesperson said Pakistan had never shied away from talks with India but added that India had to create conducive environment for any meaningful engagement.

“Pakistan also once again calls for peaceful resolution of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute in accordance with the relevant UN Security Council resolutions for durable peace and stability in the region,” he stressed.

 

[IAJ]

Lol, padhosi mulk kay chand muft chamcah’ay awain hi bhangday dhaal rahay thay, khoob chapaidh padhi hai inhay.

 

[IndoorCricket]

Surely the guy who is currently serving as the National Security Advisor to the Prime Minister of Pakistan in the capacity of an Assistant to the Prime Minister of Pakistan on National Security Division and Strategic Policy Planning since 24 December 2019 be authentic?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Moeed Yousuf, Pakistan’s de facto NSA, here argues that as a Minster in-charge of commerce Imran Khan approved trade with India but as a head of the cabinet (Prime Minister), he opposed the proposal. “He may be the same person but he wears two different hats in this case.” <a href="https://t.co/Byf8MFl5BG">pic.twitter.com/Byf8MFl5BG</a></p>— Ihsan Tipu Mehsud (@IhsanTipu) <a href="https://twitter.com/IhsanTipu/status/1378017354177597442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[cricketjoshila]

Surely the guy who is currently serving as the National Security Advisor to the Prime Minister of Pakistan in the capacity of an Assistant to the Prime Minister of Pakistan on National Security Division and Strategic Policy Planning since 24 December 2019 be authentic?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Moeed Yousuf, Pakistan’s de facto NSA, here argues that as a Minster in-charge of commerce Imran Khan approved trade with India but as a head of the cabinet (Prime Minister), he opposed the proposal. “He may be the same person but he wears two different hats in this case.” <a href="https://t.co/Byf8MFl5BG">pic.twitter.com/Byf8MFl5BG</a></p>— Ihsan Tipu Mehsud (@IhsanTipu) <a href="https://twitter.com/IhsanTipu/status/1378017354177597442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What is this logic?

 

[Thomaskutty]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Moeed Yousuf, Pakistan’s de facto NSA, here argues that as a Minster in-charge of commerce Imran Khan approved trade with India but as a head of the cabinet (Prime Minister), he opposed the proposal. “He may be the same person but he wears two different hats in this case.” <a href="https://t.co/Byf8MFl5BG">pic.twitter.com/Byf8MFl5BG</a></p>— Ihsan Tipu Mehsud (@IhsanTipu) <a href="https://twitter.com/IhsanTipu/status/1378017354177597442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The only explanation I can offer is ... Imran Khan suffers from mutiple personality disorder.

 

[Itachi]

Should have made a different argument.

As a head of ECC, the only consideration that was taken, was the commercial side in which case, the proposal had it's own strength which is why, it did move forward with the approval of the head of the ECC which was IK.

But in the cabinet meeting, excluding ECC, the jurisdiction of other departments came in to play in which case, though it was viable for ECC, but since it doesn't work in an isolated manner, hence the liability that will be upon the other ministries made it impossible to move forward and hence, in cabinet, it was rejected by the same head of ECC which is now acting as the PM and supervising not only ECC but other ministries also.

That would have had made more sense.

 

[Bigboii]

Surely the guy who is currently serving as the National Security Advisor to the Prime Minister of Pakistan in the capacity of an Assistant to the Prime Minister of Pakistan on National Security Division and Strategic Policy Planning since 24 December 2019 be authentic?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Moeed Yousuf, Pakistan’s de facto NSA, here argues that as a Minster in-charge of commerce Imran Khan approved trade with India but as a head of the cabinet (Prime Minister), he opposed the proposal. “He may be the same person but he wears two different hats in this case.” <a href="https://t.co/Byf8MFl5BG">pic.twitter.com/Byf8MFl5BG</a></p>— Ihsan Tipu Mehsud (@IhsanTipu) <a href="https://twitter.com/IhsanTipu/status/1378017354177597442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

IK has some really smart people in his cabinet educated from elite western universities

But sometimes when someone says something like this

One wonders was that 50K turion fee really worth it in the end?

But I'll call it a brain fade moment just to be nice

 

[saeedhk]

Surely the guy who is currently serving as the National Security Advisor to the Prime Minister of Pakistan in the capacity of an Assistant to the Prime Minister of Pakistan on National Security Division and Strategic Policy Planning since 24 December 2019 be authentic?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Moeed Yousuf, Pakistan’s de facto NSA, here argues that as a Minster in-charge of commerce Imran Khan approved trade with India but as a head of the cabinet (Prime Minister), he opposed the proposal. “He may be the same person but he wears two different hats in this case.” <a href="https://t.co/Byf8MFl5BG">pic.twitter.com/Byf8MFl5BG</a></p>— Ihsan Tipu Mehsud (@IhsanTipu) <a href="https://twitter.com/IhsanTipu/status/1378017354177597442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Imran’s government has been the most clueless, hapless and incompetent government in out history. They are all about tall claims and rhetoric.

 

[RajBan]

Surely the guy who is currently serving as the National Security Advisor to the Prime Minister of Pakistan in the capacity of an Assistant to the Prime Minister of Pakistan on National Security Division and Strategic Policy Planning since 24 December 2019 be authentic?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Moeed Yousuf, Pakistan’s de facto NSA, here argues that as a Minster in-charge of commerce Imran Khan approved trade with India but as a head of the cabinet (Prime Minister), he opposed the proposal. “He may be the same person but he wears two different hats in this case.” <a href="https://t.co/Byf8MFl5BG">pic.twitter.com/Byf8MFl5BG</a></p>— Ihsan Tipu Mehsud (@IhsanTipu) <a href="https://twitter.com/IhsanTipu/status/1378017354177597442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Moeed Yusuf used to speak very objectively few years back. Guess the pressure of position has gone to his head.

On a funny note one way to translate is that Imran is playing chess with himself.

 

[Mamoon]

Total humiliation for Imran and his government but it is nothing new. This government has become a parody of itself.

It is a complete circus.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: With regards to the Economic Coordination Committee’s (ECC) decision to allow import of sugar, cotton and cotton yarn from India, Prime Minister Imran Khan held consultations with key members of his cabinet on Friday and decided that Pakistan could not go ahead with any trade with India under the current circumstances.

Pakistan has constantly stated that any forward movement requires India to create an enabling environment by revisiting its unilateral and illegal measures of August 5, 2019 regarding India-held Kashmir.

Sources said that the prime minister instructed the Ministry of Commerce and his economic team to immediately take steps to facilitate the relevant sectors, value added, apparel and sugar, by finding alternative cheap sources of import of the needed commodities.

According to the sources, various proposals have been presented to the ECC which considers these suggestions from economic and commercial point of view. After consideration by the ECC, its decisions are presented to the cabinet for ratification and final approval.

The source said that in the present case, a proposal was presented to the ECC to allow import of cotton, cotton yarn and sugar from India keeping in view domestic requirements.

The ECC had decided on commercial grounds to recommend these imports for the cabinet’s consideration.

While this decision was not on the formal agenda of the cabinet meeting, the issue was brought up by cabinet members and the prime minister instructed that the ECCs decision be deferred and immediately reviewed.

Internet facilities in GB

Prime Minister Khan said that provision of 3G and 4G internet services and improving connectivity in Gilgit Baltistan were vital for exploiting the true potential of local youth and promoting tourism in the area.

It would also help the youth in getting online education and utilising their capabilities through information technology, besides benefiting from the potential of tourism, he said.

The prime minister was presiding over a meeting held here for bringing about further improvement in connectivity in Gilgit Baltistan.

The meeting was attended by Federal Minister for Kashmir Affairs and Gilgit Baltistan Ali Ameen Gandapur, Minister for Information Technology Amin-ul-Haq, GB Chief Minister Muhammad Khalid Khursheed and senior officials.

The meeting deliberated on various projects for bringing about further improvement in communication links and internet facilities in GB.

The prime minister said that the government was committed to development of Gilgit Baltistan and had approved a historic development package for GB, which would herald a new era of progress in the region.

He said that as compared to past the incumbent government was giving special attention to improving connectivity in GB and its commitment was evident from 250 per cent increase in allocation of funds for communication links in the region.

The prime minister directed the Ministry of Information Technology, Special Communications Organisation and Pakistan Telecommunications Authority to continue to strive for improved connectivity in GB.

Ravi river project

Special Assistant to the PM (SAPM) on Political Communication Dr Shahbaz Gill said on Friday that with the commencement of work on Ravi Riverfront Urban Development Project, preservation of relics of ancient civilisation and cultural heritage along the banks of the river would be ensured with special focus on environmental aspect of the project.

He said deliberations were being made for installation of water treatment plants on the pattern of River Thames.

He said the prime minister was constantly seeking updates about the project on daily basis for the last one year, which would be initiated after reviewing its economic viability.

He said that the prime minister had given approval for construction of residential flats for media persons in Lahore besides reserving quota for them in housing schemes of other cities. “The government is giving subsidy of Rs300,000 against each residential unit on first 100,000 houses to be built under the Naya Pakistan Housing Programme,” he added.

Addressing a press conference along with Minister for Finance Hammad Azhar, the SAPM said earlier deliberations and attempts were made by different governments for execution of an urban development project along Ravi River during last 40 years but each time it remained inconclusive.

The government had for the first time seriously started working on the project as the prime minister always accepted challenges, he added.

During a presentation, the prime minister was told by the Punjab chief secretary about the two times rapid horizontal growth of Lahore city during last 20 years, he said, adding that it was all due to ill planning and ruthless land grabbing by political land mafia backed by different regimes.

Mr Gill said that Prime Minister Khan himself belonged to Lahore city and had concern about the growing civic issues of the city and lowering of its underground water table.

Responding to a question about the Supreme Court verdict in Daska by-election case, he said that the PTI had always respected decisions by courts and the recent verdict of the apex court would be accepted with same spirit.

He said the accused in sugar scam had been exposed for the first time under the incumbent government which had fixed standard market rate of the commodity. He said that a new law to monitor supply chain of sugar had been introduced in Punjab.

About the economic growth rate, he claimed that the domestic car manufacturing in March had broken the record of last 30 years.

Published in Dawn, April 3rd, 2021

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why does pakistan allow import of vaccines and medicines?

 

[Mamoon]

Why does pakistan allow import of vaccines and medicines?

Because our chest-thumping and “seena zori” when it comes to India is subjected to our convenience.

That is why the world doesn’t take out Kashmir narrative seriously. We get ignored whenever we raise the Kashmir issue simply because we have zero credibility.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Former chairman Senate Mian Raza Rabbani believes that the federal cabinet’s rejection of a summary, signed by the prime minister, to import sugar and cotton yarn from India, is a no-confidence in Imran Khan’s Kashmir policy.

“Despite India’s annexation of the occupied Kashmir by amending its constitution, continuation of curfew for over 606 days, cultural genocide, changing of demography and violation of human rights in the held Valley, the government wants to normalise relations with the government of ‘Hitler’ Modi,” said the senator in a statement on Friday.

The former chairman senate said that the Economic Coordination Committee’s decision to allow the imports without consulting the ministries of Foreign Affairs and Interior was a betrayal of the Kashmir cause.

He said it was orchestrated that a formal letter on March 23, 2021, should trigger a chain reaction for normalising relations with India while Kashmir continues to burn.

“This act of the federal government is strongly condemned,” he added.

PM says no to trade with India

Earlier this week, the federal cabinet rejected the recommendation to resume trade with India, with the prime minister ruling out the normalisation of ties with New Delhi till its August 5 decision is not reversed.

The decision was taken during a meeting of the federal cabinet, chaired by the prime minister, to review Pakistan's relations with India. Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi and senior officials of the Foreign Office were also present in the meeting.

"A consensus developed during the meeting on not resuming trade with India," said a source.

The source revealed that the cabinet has decided that Pakistan cannot resume trade with India until it restores the constitutional status of occupied Kashmir.

"It is our principled stance not to resume trade with India until the Kashmir issue is resolved," PM Imran Khan was quoted as saying by a source.

"This [decision to restart trade with India] will give off the wrong impression that Pakistan has neglected the people of Kashmir," he said.

The source revealed that PM Imran Khan has categorically said relations between Pakistan and India cannot return to normal unless Kashmiris are given the right to self-determination by India.

 

[golagunda]

Surely the guy who is currently serving as the National Security Advisor to the Prime Minister of Pakistan in the capacity of an Assistant to the Prime Minister of Pakistan on National Security Division and Strategic Policy Planning since 24 December 2019 be authentic?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Moeed Yousuf, Pakistan’s de facto NSA, here argues that as a Minster in-charge of commerce Imran Khan approved trade with India but as a head of the cabinet (Prime Minister), he opposed the proposal. “He may be the same person but he wears two different hats in this case.” <a href="https://t.co/Byf8MFl5BG">pic.twitter.com/Byf8MFl5BG</a></p>— Ihsan Tipu Mehsud (@IhsanTipu) <a href="https://twitter.com/IhsanTipu/status/1378017354177597442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Such disagreements between the Prime Minster Imran Khan and Commerce minister Imran Khan are extremely worrying. PM Imran Khan should immediately demand commerce minister Imran Khan to resign from the cabinet for this faux pa. If I didn’t know the world cup winning captain Imran Khan, I would have called the appointment of commerce minister Imran Khan by PM Imran Khan an act of nepotism. Now I just hope commerce minister Imran Khan accepts his mistake and resigns of his own accord, so PM Imran Khan doesn’t have to fire him.

 

[saeedhk]

When Pakistanis are being injected with Indian-made vaccines, humari ghairat kyu nahin jagati? Why only sugar? We should ban import of everything Indian.

 

[Itachi]

Why does pakistan allow import of vaccines and medicines?

The narration should have had been "non-essential" goods while imposing the ban. Then they could have just changed the list as and when required without any repercussions.

 

[Mamoon]

Dr. Moeed Yusuf

“As commerce minister, Imran Khan allowed trade with India. But as Prime Minister he decided against it.”

- Dr. Moeed Yusuf

So to summarize:

Imran Khan made a decision and then gave it to Imran Khan to approve it which Imran Khan did.

Few hours later, Imran Khan decided to retract it. So Imran Khan asked Imran Khan to take the decision back.

Imran khan obliged but said that Imran Khan had asked him to make the call.

) ) )

 

[IndoorCricket]

Dr. Moeed Yusuf

“As commerce minister, Imran Khan allowed trade with India. But as Prime Minister he decided against it.”

- Dr. Moeed Yusuf

So to summarize:

Imran Khan made a decision and then gave it to Imran Khan to approve it which Imran Khan did.

Few hours later, Imran Khan decided to retract it. So Imran Khan asked Imran Khan to take the decision back.

Imran khan obliged but said that Imran Khan had asked him to make the call.

) ) )

Straight out of a comedy skit.

 

[Lego20]

When Pakistanis are being injected with Indian-made vaccines, humari ghairat kyu nahin jagati? Why only sugar? We should ban import of everything Indian.

Not sure why Pakistan should take such a hardened stance when it has been the aggressor all along its history and India the victim. The narratives from Pakistan almost feel like split/dual personality disorder - cry foul after offending someone.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Not sure why Pakistan should take such a hardened stance when it has been the aggressor all along its history and India the victim. The narratives from Pakistan almost feel like split/dual personality disorder - cry foul after offending someone.

How has india been the victim?

It has refused the basic principle of 1947’s partition, which was to divide the country on the lines of religion. Kashmir is a muslim majority state, so it should ve been part of Pakistan.

It played an active part in Pakistan’s split into East & West in 1971.

It has been caught sending spies like kalbhushan and also Abhinandans to Pakistan. It has been caught spreading all sort of fake propaganda abt Pakistan (e.g EU disinformation network).

And Pakistan is the aggressor?

 

[Hitman]

How has india been the victim?

It has refused the basic principle of 1947’s partition, which was to divide the country on the lines of religion. Kashmir is a muslim majority state, so it should ve been part of Pakistan.

It played an active part in Pakistan’s split into East & West in 1971.

It has been caught sending spies like kalbhushan and also Abhinandans to Pakistan. It has been caught spreading all sort of fake propaganda abt Pakistan (e.g EU disinformation network).

And Pakistan is the aggressor?

Who launched Operation Gibraltar on India in 1965? Who launched Operation Chengiz Khan on India in 1971? Who started the Kargil War? Who was responsible for the attack on Indian Parliament in 2001? Who was responsible for the Mumbai Attacks in 2008?

 

[PetroDollars]

Who launched Operation Gibraltar on India in 1965? Who launched Operation Chengiz Khan on India in 1971? Who started the Kargil War? Who was responsible for the attack on Indian Parliament in 2001? Who was responsible for the Mumbai Attacks in 2008?

Indian delusionals are beyond belief!

operation gibralter was launched by pakistan in a disputed territory which it claims as theirs

There is no international law that forbids it, in-fact UN states fighting in a disputed territory as a right.

pakistan has never launched an attack on india across an international border, India does it all the time, because when its about to lose Kashmir, it knows by attacking through an international border brings the world community to come to its rescue.

Pakistan wins war through brutal force while india uses cheap tactics to bring the un and us in to create ceasefires when kashmir goes out its hands.

As for Kargil, it was india that attacked siachen, kargil was the response. Learn some history.

 

[Itachi]

Indian delusionals are beyond belief!

operation gibralter was launched by pakistan in a disputed territory which it claims as theirs

There is no international law that forbids it, in-fact UN states fighting in a disputed territory as a right.

pakistan has never launched an attack on india across an international border, India does it all the time, because when its about to lose Kashmir, it knows by attacking through an international border brings the world community to come to its rescue.

Pakistan wins war through brutal force while india uses cheap tactics to bring the un and us in to create ceasefires when kashmir goes out its hands.

As for Kargil, it was india that attacked siachen, kargil was the response. Learn some history.

The premise of your post doesn't Co incide with statement published by then Pakistani administration. It was an admission of Pakistani govt themselves than anything to do with Indian govt or Indian media.

As for UN allowing fighting in dispute territory goes, the UN charter article 33-38 Which addresses the territorial dispute, doesn't anywhere states that fighting is an option rather it prohibits it. If you could outline the clauses which points to giving fighting as rights, I'll be happy to read and stand corrected.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Who launched Operation Gibraltar on India in 1965? Who launched Operation Chengiz Khan on India in 1971? Who started the Kargil War? Who was responsible for the attack on Indian Parliament in 2001? Who was responsible for the Mumbai Attacks in 2008?

You still didn’t refute any of the points i raised. India is a bully and aggressor in the subcontinent. Its just that it cant bully Pakistan the way it does with smaller nations like Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bangladesh.

Especially after the nuclear stale mate, all it can do is the cheap Baniya style tactics like sending Abhinandans and Kalbhushans. Everytime it will get a slap on the cheek.

 

[Lego20]

How has india been the victim?

It has refused the basic principle of 1947’s partition, which was to divide the country on the lines of religion. Kashmir is a muslim majority state, so it should ve been part of Pakistan.

It played an active part in Pakistan’s split into East & West in 1971.

It has been caught sending spies like kalbhushan and also Abhinandans to Pakistan. It has been caught spreading all sort of fake propaganda abt Pakistan (e.g EU disinformation network).

And Pakistan is the aggressor?

This has been discussed in detail - UN resolution etc. I will let you read neutral sources on the internet and decide for yourself on who is evil.

 

[Itachi]

How has india been the victim?

It has refused the basic principle of 1947’s partition, which was to divide the country on the lines of religion. Kashmir is a muslim majority state, so it should ve been part of Pakistan.

It played an active part in Pakistan’s split into East & West in 1971.

It has been caught sending spies like kalbhushan and also Abhinandans to Pakistan. It has been caught spreading all sort of fake propaganda abt Pakistan (e.g EU disinformation network).

And Pakistan is the aggressor?

The Kashmir annexation act gave the right to India where signatory was the authority of kashmir and dominion of India.

Pakistan didn't come to an agreement which is its own problem (it is neither first or second party) but that doesn't change anything which was written.

Small states didn't just got included rather while partition was being carried on, the authority of every small state had to be a signatory of the annexation.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Partition was done on the basis of religion of the “ordinary population” and not to safe guard the interest of the ruling figure. Therefore maharaja of Kashmir had no authority to negate the will of ordinary kashmiris. He didnt own them or their land.

Hencewhy UN mandates a referendum, in which ordinary kashmiris can decide what do they exactly want. It isn’t rocket science to understand a basic principle like this.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

This has been discussed in detail - UN resolution etc. I will let you read neutral sources on the internet and decide for yourself on who is evil.

Of course india is the oppressor and the evil. We see the proofs of it day in day out in Kashmir.

You can try twisting the wordings of UN resolutions, as much as you want but that does NOT change the ground reality. There is a reason why majority of Kashmiris hate India and dont want to have anything to do with it.

 

[Lego20]

Of course india is the oppressor and the evil. We see the proofs of it day in day out in Kashmir.

You can try twisting the wordings of UN resolutions, as much as you want but that does NOT change the ground reality. There is a reason why majority of Kashmiris hate India and dont want to have anything to do with it.

Whatever floats your boat. Legally and physically (parts of it) Kashmir belongs to India. The hate you are decribing (though incited an abetted from outside) is India's internal matter which it knows how to handle very well.

The rest is just rant.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Whatever floats your boat. Legally and physically (parts of it) Kashmir belongs to India. The hate you are decribing (though incited an abetted from outside) is India's internal matter which it knows how to handle very well.

The rest is just rant.

Yeah ofcourse, what else will you to justify the oppression. Just be prepared for more Pulwamas in years to come and having Abhinandans dragged around like mule.

 

[Itachi]

Partition was done on the basis of religion of the “ordinary population” and not to safe guard the interest of the ruling figure. Therefore maharaja of Kashmir had no authority to negate the will of ordinary kashmiris. He didnt own them or their land.

Hencewhy UN mandates a referendum, in which ordinary kashmiris can decide what do they exactly want. It isn’t rocket science to understand a basic principle like this.

I don't think you are familiar with what documentation means. If the authority signs a treaty, it spreads across the whole domain because the signatory is the representative of the whole domain. If IK signs some treaty tomorrow, then it will be assumed that Pakistan has accepted the treaty because IK is the representative of Pakistan defined by constitution of Pakistan.

As far referendum goes, UN asked Pakistan to remove it's military from the area before going ahead which hasn't happened till now. When Pakistan removes it's armed force and takes the initial step as required by the UN referendum, we can discuss more about it. If the referendum isn't happening, then blame Pakistan govt for not taking steps towards what was asked.

 

[Itachi]

Of course india is the oppressor and the evil. We see the proofs of it day in day out in Kashmir.

You can try twisting the wordings of UN resolutions, as much as you want but that does NOT change the ground reality. There is a reason why majority of Kashmiris hate India and dont want to have anything to do with it.

Bigger disruption occurred in the 1980s (before Kashmir turbulence) in north east part of India. But as economy progressed, the turbulence has gone down. In a few decades, similar to north east part of India, with economy back on its track, peace will be restored. Kashmir isn't the only region where separation took extreme level.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

I don't think you are familiar with what documentation means. If the authority signs a treaty, it spreads across the whole domain because the signatory is the representative of the whole domain. If IK signs some treaty tomorrow, then it will be assumed that Pakistan has accepted the treaty because IK is the representative of Pakistan defined by constitution of Pakistan.

As far referendum goes, UN asked Pakistan to remove it's military from the area before going ahead which hasn't happened till now. When Pakistan removes it's armed force and takes the initial step as required by the UN referendum, we can discuss more about it. If the referendum isn't happening, then blame Pakistan govt for not taking steps towards what was asked.

Read my post again. Partition was done on the basis of the religion of ordinary population and NOT to safeguard the interest of a ruling figure. Otherwise there was no point in dividing India in first place.

Maharaja of Kashmir did not represent the will of ordinary kashmiris, therefore it does not validate India forcefully occupying the lands of Kashmiris.

Like many others in subcontinent, Kashmiris decided to leave the Hindu religion and dont want to be associated with a Hindu majority state. Its their basic human right, which should be accepted and respected.

Northeast india is a different situation and dispute is on ethno linguistic lines, the people there are essentially of Chinese origin and dont ve that much commonality with the rest of the indians.

 

[Itachi]

Read my post again. Partition was done on the basis of the religion of ordinary population and NOT to safeguard the interest of a ruling figure. Otherwise there was no point in dividing India in first place.

Maharaja of Kashmir did not represent the will of ordinary kashmiris, therefore it does not validate India forcefully occupying the lands of Kashmiris.

Like many others in subcontinent, Kashmiris decided to leave the Hindu religion and dont want to be associated with a Hindu majority state. Its their basic human right, which should be accepted and respected.

Northeast india is a different situation and dispute is on ethno linguistic lines, the people there are essentially of Chinese origin and dont ve that much commonality with the rest of the indians.

Your argument shows lack of knowledge of India and it's conflicts inside.

1. I am from Assam (the biggest state in north east part of India). We aren't Chinese origin (have nothing to do with China) rather our ancestors (a share of Assamese population) migrated from Thailand in 1228 which is documented already. The rest of the population (karbi, bodo, dimasa already been here before us). We never had any ties with China at any part in our history.

The linguistic conflict that you are referring was actually between the state language changed from Assamese to bengali (nothing to do with separation).

2. Every princely state was annexed by both India and Pakistan vide annexation treaty with the authorized signatory as the prince and either dominion of India or Pakistan. This act which gave the right to India or Pakistan to claim what was included during the partition. Since Hari sigh was authorized signatory, hence the annexation can not be challenge in any court which is why Pakistan doesn't have a stand on it and except complaining, it can't go ahead. What India did was legally while remaining in the system according to the rules accepted by both the parties.

Since Pakistan received short end of the stick, it can complain but that doesn't mean it can rewrite the history or change the annexation act.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian delusionals are beyond belief!

operation gibralter was launched by pakistan in a disputed territory which it claims as theirs

There is no international law that forbids it, in-fact UN states fighting in a disputed territory as a right.

pakistan has never launched an attack on india across an international border, India does it all the time, because when its about to lose Kashmir, it knows by attacking through an international border brings the world community to come to its rescue.

Pakistan wins war through brutal force while india uses cheap tactics to bring the un and us in to create ceasefires when kashmir goes out its hands.

As for Kargil, it was india that attacked siachen, kargil was the response. Learn some history.

By launching OP Gibraltar, Pakistan broke the UN mediated ceasefire of 1949. The LOC was then called the CFL or ceasefire line. Pakistan violated a UN mediated agreement of peace.

OP chengiz Khan was launched across the international border against Indian air bases.

To tackle Pakistan India doesn't need anyone. Pakistan simply doesn't have the means to win a war against India. And the gap is ever increasing.

Pakistan wins war by brutal force? Which war did it win?

Pakistan too wanted to take siachen just that India got the intel before hand and took the area only few days before Pakistan was to launch an attack. Read about how India got the info.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Indian Independence Act that created India and Pakistan, also gave the ruling king of each state the right to join either India or Pakistan or stay independent. The only condition was that the princely state should share a border with the country it decides to join.

India and Pakistan both accepted the act.

 

[loves_cricket]

Pakistan decided to buy from India and that decision changed, it's internal matter of Pakistan.
I don't understand where India to be blamed for it?

 

[Itachi]

Pakistan decided to buy from India and that decision changed, it's internal matter of Pakistan.
I don't understand where India to be blamed for it?

Pakistan wants to buy sugar from India but due to revocation of article 370, it can't.

Similar as I want to wash my car but since my neighbors wife put too much salt in the food which is why her husband had to remain empty stomach, now I can't wash my car.

 

[Bigboii]

Pakistan decided to buy from India and that decision changed, it's internal matter of Pakistan.
I don't understand where India to be blamed for it?

Who is blaming India,

indians here are making Pak as this evil boogeyman responsible for every bad thing in thier mutual relationship

It's basically the strong propoganda/PR from GOI that's resulting in people claiming things like that (even though this is FAR from true)

I responded to the boogeyman stereotype of Pakistan by indians in some other thread but I am too lazy to find it or even write it here...

 

[Itachi]

Who is blaming India,

indians here are making Pak as this evil boogeyman responsible for every bad thing in thier mutual relationship

It's basically the strong propoganda/PR from GOI that's resulting in people claiming things like that (even though this is FAR from true)

I responded to the boogeyman stereotype of Pakistan by indians in some other thread but I am too lazy to find it or even write it here...

IK has used the technique during CAA saga. He tried to gain sympathy from Muslim nation by citing NRC in india (with reference to Assam) discriminated against Muslims. But he carefully ignored -

1. NRC didn't mention anything about religion in assam. It was never a criteria.

2. It was done under Supreme Court and not GOI.

 

[Bigboii]

IK has used the technique during CAA saga. He tried to gain sympathy from Muslim nation by citing NRC in india (with reference to Assam) discriminated against Muslims. But he carefully ignored -

1. NRC didn't mention anything about religion in assam. It was never a criteria.

2. It was done under Supreme Court and not GOI.

Pak PM shouldn't even be talking about indian affairs in the first place

Most PM's in Pak history never did outside of Kashmir that is

So he is breaking from precedent (which I personally believe to be the right precedent) - so I am the first one to say he is wrong in doing so
Correct or incorrect is not even a matter of discussion imo, sitting Pak pm shouldn't be saying stuff like that just like all the previous PM's didn't

And my post was pointed more towards people claiming Pak as the ultimate boogeyman and the sole reason for everything bad in info Pak relationship (which is simply not true)

As far as CAA or what not I don't care about it nor should most Pakistanis ...

Whatever.happened to indian Muslim is non of our concern we don't owe anything to tham

And if they want to take Pak minorities - I say Bismillah go ahead if we are treating tham correctly they won't go, if we are not some soul searching is better rather than crying about indian domestic issues

 

[loves_cricket]

Whatever the reason but common men are the ones who are paying ultimate price.
And it's ultimately Pakistan Gov't and people have to decide, we indians should not have any rights to say anything about it.
My point is some people dragging india in it and starts talking about wars and modi etc.
One day we all have to either learn to live peacefully or pay ultimate price.

 

[Lego20]

Off topic, but since every Pakistan/India thread ends with a historical debate on Kashmir, want to share the below documentary on the deep history of Kashmir going all the way back to 1000AD:

While the documentary is from India, I think it is quite complete and factually correct.

 

[Bigboii]

Off topic, but since every Pakistan/India thread ends with a historical debate on Kashmir, want to share a below documentary on the deep history of Kashmir going all the way back to 1000AD:

While the documentary is from India, I think it is quite complete and factually correct.

That too from RW rabidly anti-Pak channel, we should learn the history of Kashmir

Lagendary stuff

And I am nearly certain it's more of a propoganda in disguise of a "historical" documentary

Yeah nah...

I have more trust on a damn wikipedia page (and that's saying something) than what you're expecting us to watch...

 

[Bigboii]

Btw you regularly watch historical docs or not
cause when I first started on this path of historical docs, books

I'd easily get fooled into these propoganda docs who try to appear nuteral and for a new listeners they may appear good and historically accurate

but when you start doing it more and more you realize how to catch the B* and thier spins on factual historical events and how the director is pushing you into a certain frame of mind

My advice first watch these docs try to analyze things they're saying, thier spins and if you actually like the topic get a top rated book on that topic and do a reading

That's the best way to learn and appreciate history (just a general advice to all the history lovers out there on this forum )

 

[saeedhk]

Not sure why Pakistan should take such a hardened stance when it has been the aggressor all along its history and India the victim. The narratives from Pakistan almost feel like split/dual personality disorder - cry foul after offending someone.

This is exactly the reason why the world has not taken Pakistan’s Kashmir narrative seriously. This is exactly the reason why Pakistan has a very poor international standing and almost zero credibility. The world would never entertain Pakistan’s Kashmir narrative because it is a bankrupt nation which is surviving on IMF handouts and where there is widespread extremism. We need to fix out home first.

 

[Lego20]

That too from RW rabidly anti-Pak channel, we should learn the history of Kashmir

Lagendary stuff

And I am nearly certain it's more of a propoganda in disguise of a "historical" documentary

Yeah nah...

I have more trust on a damn wikipedia page (and that's saying something) than what you're expecting us to watch...

Recommend you watch it without prejudice and let us know on inaccuracies.

 

[Bigboii]

This is exactly the reason why the world has not taken Pakistan’s Kashmir narrative seriously. This is exactly the reason why Pakistan has a very poor international standing and almost zero credibility. The world would never entertain Pakistan’s Kashmir narrative because it is a bankrupt nation which is surviving on IMF handouts and where there is widespread extremism. We need to fix out home first.

So you agree with the India victim and Pak the big bad boogeyman statement out to hurt India with every chance they get statement?

 

[saeedhk]

PM Imran with the Commerce Minister!

 

[Bigboii]

Recommend you watch it without prejudice and let us know on inaccuracies.

You want me to watch a a one and half hour doc about history of Kashmir from a RW indian channel just to point out it's inaccuracies?

When I already know about it from nuteral sources

without the director's spins to suit an agenda by painting it as historical but nudging you towards one pov

I suggest people read Kashmir a disputed legacy by Allaister lamb to understand the conflict than watch these RW propoganda docs

 

[Itachi]

You want me to watch a a one and half hour doc about history of Kashmir from a RW indian channel just to point out it's inaccuracies?

When I already know about it from nuteral sources

without the director's spins to suit an agenda by painting it as historical but nudging you towards one pov

I suggest people read Kashmir a disputed legacy by Allaister lamb to understand the conflict than watch these RW propoganda docs

Allister lamb himself is criticized by his peers (neutral) due to his biased perspective in his book.

 

[Bigboii]

Allister lamb himself is criticized by his peers (neutral) due to his biased perspective in his book.

The man literally unearthed historical events for the book that were terribaly important for understanding the conflict for the later generations and it is one of the most detailed books out there on that topic so the genuine historical accuracy of that book I doubt most people can/are questioning it's legitimaty (nuteral sources that is)

Criticism is part and parcel of any book that's expected especially in a hot conflict like Kashmir there are many books and some damn good books at that who were questioned for thier biases in current conflict zone like you can't write about Palestine,Israel or Armenia situation without getting criticized by one side or another that's just the name of the.game
That's why I would rather focus on if it's accurate.or not and on that front I don't think most people will question its historical accuracy

But I will be happy to read a book that you believe is the best book that captures the history of this conflict?
If you think there are better books no prob one should read tham rather than watching whatever crap that is..

 

[Itachi]

The man literally unearthed historical events for the book that were terribaly important for understanding the conflict for the later generations and it is one of the most detailed books out there on that topic so the genuine historical accuracy of that book I doubt most people can/are questioning it's legitimaty (nuteral sources that is)

Criticism is part and parcel of any book that's expected especially in a hot conflict like Kashmir there are many books and some damn good books at that who were questioned for thier biases in current conflict zone like you can't write about Palestine,Israel or Armenia situation without getting criticized by one side or another that's just the name of the.game
That's why I would rather focus on if it's accurate.or not and on that front I don't think most people will question its historical accuracy

But I will be happy to read a book that you believe is the best book that captures the history of this conflict?
If you think there are better books no prob one should read tham rather than watching whatever crap that is..

There will be always two sides of a story. I don't trust any narration of any writer whether it was for or against.

What I look at is, documentation. Because if you go by narration even from neutral authors, there will always be ambiguity and it's documentation which clears it.

The Kashmir annexation act and UNSC resolution for Kashmir is already available. If you could tell me, based upon the above two documents, Pakistan has legal claim, then I'll be more than willing to read those clause.

 

[Bigboii]

There will be always two sides of a story. I don't trust any narration of any writer whether it was for or against.

What I look at is, documentation. Because if you go by narration even from neutral authors, there will always be ambiguity and it's documentation which clears it.

The Kashmir annexation act and UNSC resolution for Kashmir is already available. If you could tell me, based upon the above two documents, Pakistan has legal claim, then I'll be more than willing to read those clause.

Legal claim's? Where is that conversation coming from

I was just talking about historical books on this issue you trying to become a lawyer out here with clauses and all meanwhile I not even arguing for or against anything just talking about a random book on the history of kashmir
C'mon now...

 

[Itachi]

Legal claim's? Where is that conversation coming from

I was just talking about historical books on this issue you trying to become a lawyer out here with clauses and all meanwhile I not even arguing for or against anything just talking about a random book on the history of kashmir
C'mon now...

My post was towards you discrediting a documentary based upon citing as it is biased. But in return, the source that you came up with is also been criticized for it's biased nature even among the peers. So basically you both discrediting each other's sources but basic premise remains the same which leads to ambiguity.

If there's ambiguity, then it's better to look at documentation, treaty, act than going by someone's narration be it co incide views or not. That's all I wanted to say.