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Pakistan Desperately Needs a Proper 3rd Seamer in Tests
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realitygaf
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Who are the most talented seam bowlers in Pakistan cricket
We know pakistan has had a resurgence of fast bowlers and plenty of 140+ bowlers but who are the seam bowlers with a hint of talent that Muhammad Asif possesses or perhaps like Abbas . Are there any ?
We know pakistan has had a resurgence of fast bowlers and plenty of 140+ bowlers but who are the seam bowlers with a hint of talent that Muhammad Asif possesses or perhaps like Abbas . Are there any ?
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Pakistan also needs a proper 2nd seamer to partner Shaheen at the top of the innings.
Hasan Ali is good enough to do the Shami/Umesh role in the subcontinent but is he really your no.2 fast bowler who can trouble quality batting lineups in SENA? I don't think so.
Hasan Ali is good enough to do the Shami/Umesh role in the subcontinent but is he really your no.2 fast bowler who can trouble quality batting lineups in SENA? I don't think so.
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Shaheen Shah
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Abbas
Shanawaz Dahani
Naseem Shah
I think it's 5 solid options. The 3 best according to the conditions should be played.
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Abbas
Shanawaz Dahani
Naseem Shah
I think it's 5 solid options. The 3 best according to the conditions should be played.
Irfanullah shah once Abbas retires or looses form or sameen gull.
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I still don't understand why sameen gul is not playing test cricket. Maybe others know more but averages under 22 in FC and solidly built, tall bowler. Maybe he's got some issues i dont' know about
He's unfit he doesn't play game after game.
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Pakistan somehow has 3 pacers who are averaging less than 25 in tests..
Abbas, Hasan Ali, Afridi are brilliant bowlers.
For fourth seamer option, Pakistan can utilise services of Naseem Shah or Dahani.
Abbas, Hasan Ali, Afridi are brilliant bowlers.
For fourth seamer option, Pakistan can utilise services of Naseem Shah or Dahani.
Need an all rounder in thier aswell
Rana
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I agree he does a good job with bag and supporting role in bowling but it would be good if we can get another all rounder for competition.
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One of Naseem Shah,Sameen Gul and Haris Rauf can replace Faheem.
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Abdullah Shafique
Muhammad Huraira
Saud Shakeel
Babar Azam
Kamran Ghulam
Mohammad Rizwan
Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Hasan Ali
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Afridi
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I like this team Bullet.
Apart from Faheem. If 7 batters is not enough, 8 won’t make a difference. We need a specialist bowler here. I would rather play an out and out bowler like Dahani. Or a spinner like Gohar.
For this need 5 man attack of which atleast 2 are capable with bat.
Faheem & Hasan needed in XI in order to accomodate Naseem in enforcer role
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I prefer Specialists.
A Dahani instead of Faheem could provide an extra cutting edge. Wickets win matches far more then a cameo 30 odd from a number 8.
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I agree.In test cricket you need specialists to do the job.If you want to play an all rounder then he should be high quality.Pakistan has not produced a good allrounder after Razaq.
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Why the obsession with playing Shadab in tests?
Is Shadab made for bowling 22 - 25 overs in a day? I highly doubt.
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That's why you guys are winning back to back series in SENA.
The Googly
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And even Razzak was ordinary in tests- great in ODIs.
He simply wasn’t a high quality test batsman or a high quality test bowler. The great allrounders like Sobers, Imran, Dev, Botham, Kallis were match winners with bat and ball at test level.
In SENA shadab can play but not in asain conditions.
Good team but I would not play Hurraira yet.
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I don't get this theory, as it's severely limiting and we're not exactly blessed with options. We need players that can play or adapt to all conditions.
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I wouldn't call this solid. Your first 3 names all have their limitations which were clearly seen from their failures on tours abroad over the past 1-2 years. Naseem and Dahani are beyond inexperienced. Pakistan still have a way to go before they aren't severe underdogs in SENA.
Play according to the conditions both fahim and shadab give you that balance with bat like when they both played against England in England.
Everyone wants Naseem Shah in the test playing xi. Last time he played for Pakistan he averaged 68 against Australia, 69 against England and 73 against New Zealand.
What has he done in between which suggests that he has improved and is now a worthy candidate for Pakistan national team.
What has he done in between which suggests that he has improved and is now a worthy candidate for Pakistan national team.
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Fantastic batting averages those against top sides, oh wait...
Here is the fun fact, despite all the big money that BCCI pours into its cricketing systems. India did not perform outstandingly different from Pakistan in last decades that too in SENA. Misbah-Pakistan was almost an equivalent to Kohli led India and that too by deep stats like % win/draw rate in SENA.
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What about after Misba?
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From what I've seen Dhani would be a excellent 3rd seamer, got a heart of a proper fast bowler.
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It is a shame that just when Pakistan finally find or develop a decent 3rd seamer in Naseem, their 2nd best seamer Hassan Ali has regressed and we seem to back back to square 1. Very frustrating!
I would like to see Sameen Gull,Irfanullah or Dahani given ago as opening bowler or first switch.
He is developing which is also fine.
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He may not be picking up wickets in bulks but he is definitely a far improved bowler than the one that was torn apart in New Zealand 2020
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Our 3 best fast bowlers are
SSA
Dahani
Rauf
SSA
Dahani
Rauf
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2 of them have not even played Test cricket
Our Best 3 are SSA, Naseem and Hassan. However Hassan is very much walking on thin ice now, and Naseem may not be afforded any more below par performances
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They haven't but they are better than the guys playing. Naseem is OK but has lost his zip and skill levels aren't compensating. Hasan looks and bowls like a guy on his cricketing death bed-no zip, no pace and no passion. Rauf swings the new ball at 85mph, he has many work ons but has more potential than Naseem and Dahani does have weaknesses but he gets bounce and has plenty of zip. The only questions that remain are whether he has the grey matter and whether he can move the ball away from right handers.
Rauf swings the ball since when ?
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Looks like one of Jamal or Khurram will fill that void of the 3rd and 4th seamer.
We now need a proper, reliable opening pace bowling pair
We now need a proper, reliable opening pace bowling pair
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Shaheen and Naseem opening with the ball
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A few in competition now, I'd even argue that the 2nd seamer position isn't completely locked down, only for sure starter would be SSA.
Hamza/Khurram alongside for seam/swing conditions, but on tracks with less help Naseem/Wasim jr would be more useful. Only 2 of the 4 are fit atm but our next test series isn't for a good while giving them time to recover. Since we are going back to our Highways at home when we face Bangladesh I think the second combination would be better as a horses for courses approach.
Hasan Ali gives his all and is an honest trier but we need to move on from him now, he can be used to fill a role in white ball if needed.
4th seamer is locked as Jamali, a lot of promise shown that I hope he can sustain.
Hamza/Khurram alongside for seam/swing conditions, but on tracks with less help Naseem/Wasim jr would be more useful. Only 2 of the 4 are fit atm but our next test series isn't for a good while giving them time to recover. Since we are going back to our Highways at home when we face Bangladesh I think the second combination would be better as a horses for courses approach.
Hasan Ali gives his all and is an honest trier but we need to move on from him now, he can be used to fill a role in white ball if needed.
4th seamer is locked as Jamali, a lot of promise shown that I hope he can sustain.
Khurram with pace 125-128 will not last long in international cricket, move on from him.
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Aamer, Naseem, and Shaheen should be the main 3 pacers.
Waseem, Khurram, and Hasan can be backups.
Waseem, Khurram, and Hasan can be backups.
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Khurram can take the new ball. He has good skills. I don’t think we saw the best of yet since he was injured during the first test. Hope he fully recovers.
Naseem is the other obvious solution once fit.
This tour has provided us options. With Jamal playing third seamer we can have variety in the attack.
Hopefully a more mature Dahani or Arshad and a fit Ihsanullah will provide us even more options in the coming years
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IMO Jamal is a mainstay
He is the 3rd seamer in the SC where you can play 2 spinners, and the 4th seamer in SENA where you can pick 3 specialist spinners
He is the player we desperately needed
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Mostly agree. He has been a revelation. But his batting isn’t good enough to be playing as the 5th bowler just yet.
In SENA he can certainly play 3rd seamer. In the SC, he can be third seamer if Agha is playing as the second spinner. But asking him to bat #7 with 4 other specialist bowlers I think would be one spot too high in the order.
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He should be developed. He's the best prospect we have to turn him into a #7 position AR
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