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Pakistan faces water crisis as India builds dams on shared rivers

rpant_gabba said:
There is a good long term play here. Irregular water release will screw up Pak irrigation system for the long run. Screw up their maintenance schedule for the canals. wipe out the top soil, increase the salinity near the ocean waters, which will screw up fisheries. Bet the communities living the ocean and whose lives depend on fisheries will love that. Combine that with an information campaign of how Pak Punjab is exploiting the rest of Pak. Sit back and enjoy the show.
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Indian posters, want to get your take on this.

guys like @Rajdeep @Red-Indian @Devadwal might not have the stomach for it.

the indus river can be used a vector a variety of applications.

@RexRex

@AamchiMumbaikar @nish_mate @Nikhil_cric @Champ_Pal @deltexas @Hitman @Varun
 
rpant_gabba said:
Indian posters, want to get your take on this.

guys like @Rajdeep @Red-Indian @Devadwal might not have the stomach for it.

the indus river can be used a vector a variety of applications.

@RexRex

@AamchiMumbaikar @nish_mate @Nikhil_cric @Champ_Pal @deltexas @Hitman @Varun
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My 2 cents

I would view it in 4 ways - environmental sense, sovereignty, economic sense, benefits vs harmful impact

There are many theories going on in Twitter but after all its peoples money. So, it should make economic sense first and then measure the benefits vs harmful impact.

People here from Pakistan celebrated when China announced a dam on Brahmaputra. Sovereignty will have a weight at the end but its not at the cost of the innocent livelihood.

I hope we can build the infrastructure to divert some water to benefit Indians without harming others. This would even make Pakistan to get on toes and build infrastructure to store water.

Just because Pakistan is complacent in securing water storage, we shouldn't be punished with less share of water.
 
Theanonymousone said:
My 2 cents

I would view it in 4 ways - environmental sense, sovereignty, economic sense, benefits vs harmful impact

There are many theories going on in Twitter but after all its peoples money. So, it should make economic sense first and then measure the benefits vs harmful impact.

People here from Pakistan celebrated when China announced a dam on Brahmaputra. Sovereignty will have a weight at the end but its not at the cost of the innocent livelihood.

I hope we can build the infrastructure to divert some water to benefit Indians without harming others. This would even make Pakistan to get on toes and build infrastructure to store water.

Just because Pakistan is complacent in securing water storage, we shouldn't be punished with less share of water.
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I get the sense that you didn't grasp what I was proposing.

I'm not talking about steps for water use by India.

I'm talking about payback with indus rivers as the vector.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Indian posters, want to get your take on this.

guys like @Rajdeep @Red-Indian @Devadwal might not have the stomach for it.

the indus river can be used a vector a variety of applications.

@RexRex

@AamchiMumbaikar @nish_mate @Nikhil_cric @Champ_Pal @deltexas @Hitman @Varun
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I endorse this move; start building those dams and reservoirs or whatever needs to be built to inflict damage on Pak's water economy.

In fact, it shocks me that past Indian governments hadn't even bothered using water as leverage or even mentioned it. The infrastructure should have already been in place. They should have done something soon after the very first war in 1965. Now .. three wars and numerous terror attacks later, finally it's being talked about... better late than never.

But two concerns would be -

> China. They have all this CPEC stuff in Pakistan going on and they wouldn't want their investments to be affected. So they won't be pleased.
> Effectiveness. Would the Pak establishment be affected ? This clip kinda sums it up -

 
RexRex said:
I endorse this move; start building those dams and reservoirs or whatever needs to be built to inflict damage on Pak's water economy.

In fact, it shocks me that past Indian governments hadn't even bothered using water as leverage or even mentioned it. The infrastructure should have already been in place. They should have done something soon after the very first war in 1965. Now .. three wars and numerous terror attacks later, finally it's being talked about... better late than never.

But two concerns would be -

> China. They have all this CPEC stuff in Pakistan going on and they wouldn't want their investments to be affected. So they won't be pleased.
> Effectiveness. Would the Pak establishment be affected ? This clip kinda sums it up -

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I'm not talking about just building dams.

Water is simply a vehicle for a variety of options
 
RexRex said:
But two concerns would be -

> China. They have all this CPEC stuff in Pakistan going on and they wouldn't want their investments to be affected. So they won't be pleased.


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Chinese factor is not as big as ppl are making it out to be, If China builds the Dam on the Bharmaputra and decides to turn off the tap it will affect, Bangladesh first, they will be totally screwed, then India and lastly Pakistan.

Chinese and Indians have a 120 billion a year trade relationship whilst CPEC is nowhere close and facing disaster after disaster with hostile Balooch, Americans using thier assets to disrupt the Chinese supply routes in the area using terrorists etc.

China will do other annoyances such as border skirmishes etc to keep the Indians pre occupied but Pakistan as a whole will be in major trouble if India completes the DAM..
 
rpant_gabba said:
Indian posters, want to get your take on this.

guys like @Rajdeep @Red-Indian @Devadwal might not have the stomach for it.

the indus river can be used a vector a variety of applications.

@RexRex

@AamchiMumbaikar @nish_mate @Nikhil_cric @Champ_Pal @deltexas @Hitman @Varun
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This is going to be a longish post.

You're right that I (among others) don't have the stomach for what you're proposing. I actually live in India and have zero interest in turning my country into a sadistic, rogue State and living under threat of nuclear warfare.

On the other hand, I'm not against withdrawing from the Indus Water Treaty (IWT). Not out of any desire to kill millions of Pakistanis but because we do need more water than the 20% or so we were allocated under it. Unlike us, they're not fully utilising their share of the water anyway and with a meagre couple of billion dollars of investment over 3-4 years, we can improve water availability in some northern states. It won't give us some fantasized ability to shut off Pakistan's water supply and they will barely notice the water we're taking except during the dry season. I only think of these potential water shortages in Pakistan as a side-effect not the reason for what we should be doing.

On the wider subject of making Pakistan pay for this atrocity by these terrorist animals, I'm not against anything that doesn't cost us too much. For example

- If we can do a few drone attacks on specifically targeted locations, I'm all for it. I'm no military expert so I don't know if we have the capability but this would be a nice proportionate response that's deniable and unlikely to provoke significant retaliatory action

- If we can leverage our Diplomatic relationships to get Pakistan back on the FATF gray/blacklist, I'm in favour. If we can get a couple of sanctions thrown in, even better

- If we can get a few companies like Suzuki and Toyota that have massive business in India and small operations in Pakistan to exit Pakistan in return for some concessions, again no issue. It'll be something visible and high-profile.

On the whole, from listening to analysts, I do believe there is Pakistani involvement (whether active or passive) in the atrocity and I'm all for action but in a measured, targeted manner that doesn't hurt us in any way.
 
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Suzuki and
Red-Indian said:
This is going to be a longish post.

You're right that I (among others) don't have the stomach for what you're proposing. I actually live in India and have zero interest in turning my country into a sadistic, rogue State and living under threat of nuclear warfare.

On the other hand, I'm not against withdrawing from the Indus Water Treaty (IWT). Not out of any desire to kill millions of Pakistanis but because we do need more water than the 20% or so we were allocated under it. Unlike us, they're not fully utilising their share of the water anyway and with a meagre couple of billion dollars of investment over 3-4 years, we can improve water availability in some northern states. It won't give us some fantasized ability to shut off Pakistan's water supply and they will barely notice the water we're taking except during the dry season. I only think of these potential water shortages in Pakistan as a side-effect not the reason for what we should be doing.

On the wider subject of making Pakistan pay for this atrocity by these terrorist animals, I'm not against anything that doesn't cost us too much. For example

- If we can do a few drone attacks on specifically targeted locations, I'm all for it. I'm no military expert so I don't know if we have the capability but this would be a nice proportionate response that's deniable and unlikely to provoke significant retaliatory action

- If we can leverage our Diplomatic relationships to get Pakistan back on the FATF gray/blacklist, I'm in favour. If we can get a couple of sanctions thrown in, even better

- If we can get a few companies like Suzuki and Toyota that have massive business in India and small operations in Pakistan to exit Pakistan in return for some concessions, again no issue. It'll be something visible and high-profile.

On the whole, from listening to analysts, I do believe there is Pakistani involvement (whether active or passive) in the atrocity and I'm all for action but in a measured, targeted manner that doesn't hurt us in any way.
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toyota and Suzuki keep the market share there and make Pakistani pay for crap.

Drone attacks would be great but our Drone capabilities are not that of US or Israel.

Agree on FATF/grey list and water utilization
 
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I'm reading the posts on these threads...are you people insane? Do you have no sense? I see Indians talking about starving Pakistan of water, using the dam system to disrupt Pakistani agriculture and destroy food and crops, are you serious? If you want to go to war, at least be honest about it. Don't hide behind violations of a treaty that put millions of people at risk.

Speaking objectively-you will get absolutely none of what you are claiming. Seeing as 1 million Indian troops can't stop a terror attack I think their ability to protect their dam infrastructure in such contested areas is suspect. Pakistan threatening nuclear warfare is stupid, it will kill the whole subcontinent in nuclear exchanges and 1.5B dead people would be even worse. This isn't Hiroshima or Nagasaki, both Pakistan and India are highly densely populated countries. It's also morally wrong to threaten nuclear warfare.

I do think however that if India starts building more dams those dams will get attacked. Pakistan has made that very clear. I keep seeing this question: "who will enforce the treaty?". Well, if India's not observing the treaty, Pakistan's only option is to go to the International courts or to simply start using military force to enforce the treaty. It's very obvious that Pakistan is currently favoring the latter.
 
JaDed said:
Suzuki and

toyota and Suzuki keep the market share there and make Pakistani pay for crap.

Drone attacks would be great but our Drone capabilities are not that of US or Israel.

Agree on FATF/grey list and water utilization
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Yeah I don't think forcing a few companies like Toyota and Suzuki to exit Pakistan will have huge impact. Chinese companies will just step into the void. However it'll be highly visible and an occasion for Indian government chest thumping which they badly need in order to prevent them from doing crazier things.

On the drones, as I said I'm not a military expert but I would hope we could leverage our relationship with the States and their desire to sell something to us to lower the trade deficit to get some of that technology. I remember a deal for Predator drones being signed last year but I'm not sure of delivery dates.
 
zn426 said:
I'm reading the posts on these threads...are you people insane? Do you have no sense? I see Indians talking about starving Pakistan of water, using the dam system to disrupt Pakistani agriculture and destroy food and crops, are you serious? If you want to go to war, at least be honest about it. Don't hide behind violations of a treaty that put millions of people at risk.

Speaking objectively-you will get absolutely none of what you are claiming. Seeing as 1 million Indian troops can't stop a terror attack I think their ability to protect their dam infrastructure in such contested areas is suspect. Pakistan threatening nuclear warfare is stupid, it will kill the whole subcontinent in nuclear exchanges and 1.5B dead people would be even worse. This isn't Hiroshima or Nagasaki, both Pakistan and India are highly densely populated countries. It's also morally wrong to threaten nuclear warfare.

I do think however that if India starts building more dams those dams will get attacked. Pakistan has made that very clear. I keep seeing this question: "who will enforce the treaty?". Well, if India's not observing the treaty, Pakistan's only option is to go to the International courts or to simply start using military force to enforce the treaty. It's very obvious that Pakistan is currently favoring the latter.
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Just out of curiosity -

I keep reading from Pakistanis that China will do this , China will do that. China is gonna restrict Brahmputra waters and all in response (For Pakistan).

Do you know, China has already been doing that. They have already built many dams and roads in disputed areas unilaterally despite having the treaty.

So again, who is going to enforce the treaty if India really walks out of it.

Actually i agree with @Red-Indian , We need to either revise the treaty or walk out of it. Not to starve Pakistani population but to get the fair share of it.
 
‘Indus Waters Treaty crucial for regional stability’

Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar on Monday emphasised that the implementation of the Indus Waters Treaty was crucial for regional stability, vowing Pakistan would take all necessary measures to ensure its full enforcement.

“The treaty is critical to regional stability and its sanctity must be preserved,” Mr Dar said while speaking at a high-level meeting convened to strategize Pakistan’s response to India’s suspension of the decades-old accord.

The meeting was attended by Law and Justice Minister Azam Nazir Tarrar, Attorney General Mansoor Awan, senior officials, technical experts, and former foreign secretaries.

On Monday, Mr Dar condemned India’s move as a “unilateral and illegal” action that contravenes international law, established norms of inter-state relations, and the treaty’s provisions. He warned that India’s attempts to “weaponise water” posed a serious threat to the region’s peace and stability.

“The waters of the Indus River System remain a lifeline for Pakistan’s 240 million people,” he said, underscoring the strategic and humanitarian importance of preserving the treaty.

He reiterated Pakistan’s commitment to safeguarding its rightful share of water under the treaty and pledged to continue advocating for its full implementation to protect the country’s water security and the well-being of its people.

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zn426 said:
I'm reading the posts on these threads...are you people insane? Do you have no sense? I see Indians talking about starving Pakistan of water, using the dam system to disrupt Pakistani agriculture and destroy food and crops, are you serious? If you want to go to war, at least be honest about it. Don't hide behind violations of a treaty that put millions of people at risk.
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Irony died a thousand deaths.

Isn't Pak motto to bleed India to death by thousand cuts. May be you can tell Pak establishment to not hide behind non state actors
zn426 said:
Speaking objectively-you will get absolutely none of what you are claiming. Seeing as 1 million Indian troops can't stop a terror attack I think their ability to protect their dam infrastructure in such contested areas is suspect. Pakistan threatening nuclear warfare is stupid, it will kill the whole subcontinent in nuclear exchanges and 1.5B dead people would be even worse. This isn't Hiroshima or Nagasaki, both Pakistan and India are highly densely populated countries. It's also morally wrong to threaten nuclear warfare.
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tell that to Pak establishment
zn426 said:
I do think however that if India starts building more dams those dams will get attacked. Pakistan has made that very clear. I keep seeing this question: "who will enforce the treaty?". Well, if India's not observing the treaty, Pakistan's only option is to go to the International courts
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Which international court? They couldn't do crap about Ukraine invasion by Russia or Israel ponding Hamas with Gazan as collateral damage
zn426 said:
or to simply start using military force to enforce the treaty. It's very obvious that Pakistan is currently favoring the latter.
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That is the goal for India isn't? get Pak to come out and play.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He will get arrested if he lists them again
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So you did read it. what did you think?

Its an elegant effective plan which brings about serious damage without involving military action.

Can you imagine the world wide panic? too bad India is stlll infested by GNV
 
rpant_gabba said:
Irony died a thousand deaths.

Isn't Pak motto to bleed India to death by thousand cuts. May be you can tell Pak establishment to not hide behind non state actors

tell that to Pak establishment

Which international court? They couldn't do crap about Ukraine invasion by Russia or Israel ponding Hamas with Gazan as collateral damage

That is the goal for India isn't? get Pak to come out and play.
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Come out and play will result in the disasters I have suggested-answer this very simple question

Is the death of hundreds of millions of people, possibly more, an acceptable result for you if Pakistan attacks in the manner you are hoping for? The only two answers available to you are Yes or No.
 
zn426 said:
Come out and play will result in the disasters I have suggested-answer this very simple question

Is the death of hundreds of millions of people, possibly more, an acceptable result for you if Pakistan attacks in the manner you are hoping for? The only two answers available to you are Yes or No.
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Will continue its support of nonstate actors against India?

The only two answers available to you are Yes or No.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Will continue its support of nonstate actors against India?

The only two answers available to you are Yes or No.
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You will receive no answer until you answer my question, and to be frank you're asking the wrong person-I'm an American.
 
zn426 said:
Come out and play will result in the disasters I have suggested-answer this very simple question

Is the death of hundreds of millions of people, possibly more, an acceptable result for you if Pakistan attacks in the manner you are hoping for? The only two answers available to you are Yes or No.
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It's called deterrence, or essentially a signal to your establishment that any future terror attack is going to have catastrophic consequences for Pakistan's water economy.
 
RexRex said:
It's called deterrence, or essentially a signal to your establishment that any future terror attack is going to have catastrophic consequences for Pakistan's water economy.
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Oh he is fully aware of what it is. This is classic "how dare you threaten us with consequences while we murder your citizens" tactic.

This approach has worked for along time due to GNV.
 
RexRex said:
It's called deterrence, or essentially a signal to your establishment that any future terror attack is going to have catastrophic consequences for Pakistan's water economy.
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It's not deterence if the threats are serious. India is looking for an excuse to be the victim or claim self defense here. Pakistan is telling them "don't try it, we have a treaty and we will enforce it by force if we have to".
Threatening death and destruction on each other is horrific, but here we are. You guys think India has the moral authority here? Bluntly with the way India treats Christians and other minorities that's laughable.
 
zn426 said:
It's not deterence if the threats are serious. India is looking for an excuse to be the victim or claim self defense here. Pakistan is telling them "don't try it, we have a treaty and we will enforce it by force if we have to".
Threatening death and destruction on each other is horrific, but here we are. You guys think India has the moral authority here? Bluntly with the way India treats Christians and other minorities that's laughable.
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Nice deflection while avoiding the the issue of terrorism altogether. Taqiyya at its best
 
zn426 said:
It's not deterence if the threats are serious. India is looking for an excuse to be the victim or claim self defense here. Pakistan is telling them "don't try it, we have a treaty and we will enforce it by force if we have to".
Threatening death and destruction on each other is horrific, but here we are. You guys think India has the moral authority here? Bluntly with the way India treats Christians and other minorities that's laughable.
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Dude
A non-muslim is a second grade citizen in Pak. Minorities are thriving in India. Christian conversions would not be so active if India is atleast closer to what you portray.

We have every right to question sbout old treaties and renegotiate if necessary if our benevolence is met with terrorism.
 
Those 26 lives proving to be very costly.
DeadlyVenom said:
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@Bhaijaan this was forward to me on whatsapp with the caption
Aur woh log kehte is qaum ky pas khany ko kuch nai?
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Adnan bhai was living the best life as a Pakistani. We went through a phase when Pakistani artist tag was a brand itself and we couldn’t get enough Pakistanis during the collab era. Great times. Mumbai 26/11 ruined so much.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Will continue its support of nonstate actors against India?

The only two answers available to you are Yes or No.
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Your nonstate actors are leading your country, perhaps go ask them why they got your innocent civilians murdered? But hey if he could become a PM after killing 3000 Indian civilians, then what is 26 more to him and his Hindutva terrorists. No wonder we laugh off your delusional silly claims of people arriving on little boats from far apart or 4 random crossing border and entering a heavy militarized area with multiple check points, no wonder only Hindutva gets fooled by this comical propaganda
 
Kriketer said:
Your nonstate actors are leading your country, perhaps go ask them why they got your innocent civilians murdered? But hey if he could become a PM after killing 3000 Indian civilians, then what is 26 more to him and his Hindutva terrorists. No wonder we laugh off your delusional silly claims of people arriving on little boats from far apart or 4 random crossing border and entering a heavy militarized area with multiple check points, no wonder only Hindutva gets fooled by this comical propaganda
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You are absolutely correct. becos, there was no terrorism from Pakistan India before Modi.
 
Kriketer said:
Your nonstate actors are leading your country, perhaps go ask them why they got your innocent civilians murdered? But hey if he could become a PM after killing 3000 Indian civilians, then what is 26 more to him and his Hindutva terrorists. No wonder we laugh off your delusional silly claims of people arriving on little boats from far apart or 4 random crossing border and entering a heavy militarized area with multiple check points, no wonder only Hindutva gets fooled by this comical propaganda
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What does that even mean?? 🤷‍♂️ ... Thoda padh lo yaar.
 
zn426 said:
It's not deterence if the threats are serious. India is looking for an excuse to be the victim or claim self defense here. Pakistan is telling them "don't try it, we have a treaty and we will enforce it by force if we have to".
Threatening death and destruction on each other is horrific, but here we are. You guys think India has the moral authority here? Bluntly with the way India treats Christians and other minorities that's laughable.
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Minorities get a poor treatment world over.
In India, minority population share is actually increasing. Can you say the same for your country?
If India is so genocidal towards Muslims, how is that their population is organically increasing while in your country minorities are going extinct?
 
rpant_gabba said:
You are absolutely correct. becos, there was no terrorism from Pakistan India before Modi.
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There have always been baseless allegations and nothing else. The only terrorism we know for a fact is the occupation, killing, kidnapping, raping, torturing, curfewing etc by a million deployed Indian Terrorist army on millions of Kashmiris for 76 years.

Even Indians are now questioning what's the point of having a million soldiers in Kashmir when they can't protect citizens, atleast you have started to admit your "forceful" hold of it so a nice change
 
Kriketer said:
There have always been baseless allegations and nothing else. The only terrorism we know for a fact is the occupation, killing, kidnapping, raping, torturing, curfewing etc by a million deployed Indian Terrorist army on millions of Kashmiris for 76 years.

Even Indians are now questioning what's the point of having a million soldiers in Kashmir when they can't protect citizens, atleast you have started to admit your "forceful" hold of it so a nice change
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sure. Pak has never been involved in terrorism in India and Mush's interview with Heise never happened. Pak allowed itself to be droned for no reason by US and went along with the Abbottabad story for fun.
 
Pakistan to officially challenge India's suspension of Indus Waters Treaty

Pakistan has decided to issue a formal diplomatic notice to India following its unilateral suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty, officials confirmed on Friday.

According to sources from the Indus Commission, Pakistan's Ministries of Foreign Affairs, Water Resources, and Law have completed initial consultations on the matter. The diplomatic note will demand a detailed explanation for India’s suspension of the decades-old water-sharing agreement.

Pakistan is also considering raising strong objections at international forums against what it calls India’s "water terrorism." The move aims to reinforce Pakistan’s stance with legal and moral legitimacy before the global community.

Officials emphasised that Pakistan held legal precedence under the Indus Waters Treaty and had never violated its terms. They expressed confidence that India would be compelled to reconsider its decision in the near future.

All further steps would be taken following formal approval from the federal cabinet, officials added. Pakistan has reiterated its commitment to upholding international law and peaceful dispute resolution.


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Pakistan to officially challenge India's suspension of Indus Waters Treaty

They expressed confidence that India would be compelled to reconsider its decision
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Water terrorism, next might be kabootar terrorism from India.
 
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Are Indian bhakts aware Indus river originates in China (Tibet specifically)?

India should stop acting like they own Indus river. They really don't. :inti
 
Cricket Warrior said:
'Indus is ours, either our water will flow or their blood will': Bilawal warns Modi

Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari delivered a strong and defiant message to India on Saturday, warning that any attempts to undermine Pakistan’s rights over the Indus River would meet fierce resistance.

Addressing a large rally in Sukkur, Bilawal declared that the Indus belongs to Pakistan and will remain so, despite New Delhi’s unilateral moves. “Let Modi hear this clearly — the Indus is ours, and it will remain ours. Either our water will flow, or their blood will,” he warned, standing on the banks of the historic river.

The PPP chairman strongly condemned India’s decision to suspend the Indus Waters Treaty following accusations against Pakistan over the recent Pahalgam terror attack.

He accused Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi of levelling “false and baseless” allegations to cover internal failures and mislead the Indian public. “Whenever there is unrest in Kashmir, India blames Pakistan to distract from its own weaknesses,” Bilawal asserted.

He emphasised that India’s unilateral withdrawal from the Indus Waters Treaty, a binding international agreement, would not be recognised either globally or by the people of Pakistan.

“Modi’s efforts to take over the Indus will fail. We are the rightful heirs and defenders of the Sindhu (Indus), and we will protect it at all costs,” he said.

Bilawal reaffirmed that Pakistan’s armed forces are fully prepared to deliver a strong response to any Indian aggression. “We will confront India bravely, and our forces will give them a fitting reply at the borders,” he said.

He urged the people of Pakistan to unite in defending the country's water rights and sovereignty. “All four provinces must stand together to deliver a strong, united response to Modi's provocations,” he said, calling on Pakistanis to act as ambassadors of the Indus River and protect their heritage.

“This is a victory for peaceful, democratic struggle,” Bilawal added. “We will not allow anyone — inside or outside Pakistan — to steal our water or divide our nation.”


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'Indus is ours; either our water will flow or their blood will': Bilawal warns Modi | The Express Tribune

PPP chairman says Pakistan will protect its water rights at all costs; no new canals without full provincial consent.
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Where is bilawal hiding . Kya bola - ek bund bhi Pani roka to neclear attack karenge. Now India has stopped the water at one Rivers so what Next now ?

:kp
 
sweep_shot said:
Are Indian bhakts aware Indus river originates in China (Tibet specifically)?

India should stop acting like they own Indus river. They really don't. :inti
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The baglihar dam water really stopped by India… after 2-3 days Pakistan ppls feels the effect and then real war starts between Pakistani awaam V/s. Pakistan government and army. This is what Modiji predicted
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Pakistan to officially challenge India's suspension of Indus Waters Treaty

Pakistan has decided to issue a formal diplomatic notice to India following its unilateral suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty, officials confirmed on Friday.

According to sources from the Indus Commission, Pakistan's Ministries of Foreign Affairs, Water Resources, and Law have completed initial consultations on the matter. The diplomatic note will demand a detailed explanation for India’s suspension of the decades-old water-sharing agreement.

Pakistan is also considering raising strong objections at international forums against what it calls India’s "water terrorism." The move aims to reinforce Pakistan’s stance with legal and moral legitimacy before the global community.

Officials emphasised that Pakistan held legal precedence under the Indus Waters Treaty and had never violated its terms. They expressed confidence that India would be compelled to reconsider its decision in the near future.

All further steps would be taken following formal approval from the federal cabinet, officials added. Pakistan has reiterated its commitment to upholding international law and peaceful dispute resolution.


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Pakistan to officially challenge India's suspension of Indus Waters Treaty

They expressed confidence that India would be compelled to reconsider its decision
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Where will Pak challenge it ? The treaty isn't enforceable in any court. International forums have no power on this issue.
 
RexRex said:
Where will Pak challenge it ? The treaty isn't enforceable in any court. International forums have no power on this issue.
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There is no guarantor for this treaty either. WB is simply a mediator.

Biden admin allowed two dispute mechanisms to proceed at same time, which Pak wanted and one that is contrary to the treaty provisions.

Good chance that is dead and no one is in any mood to get involved with this.

As I said before, India needs to take inspiration from Pak approach and replicate it.
 
Devadwal said:
Where is bilawal hiding . Kya bola - ek bund bhi Pani roka to neclear attack karenge. Now India has stopped the water at one Rivers so what Next now ?

:kp
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They just made inflammatory statements to make influence on Pakistani awaam, now they are busy in packing their bags n checking bank accounts
 
sweep_shot said:
As I have mentioned before, a full-blown war can cause dissolution of India. It can take India back to stone age. :inti

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130 nukes aimed at you: Pak minister's open threat to India as tensions flare​


Hanif Abbasi said if India dares to halt Pakistan's water supply by suspending the Indus Waters Treaty, it should "prepare for a full-scale war". He declared that Pakistan's nuclear weapons are not for display, and their locations are hidden across the country.

In an explosive escalation of tensions, Pakistan Minister Hanif Abbasi openly threatened India with nuclear retaliation, warning that Pakistan's arsenal - including Ghori, Shaheen, and Ghaznavi missiles along with 130 nuclear warheads - has been kept "only for India".

Abbasi said if India dares to halt Pakistan's water supply by suspending the Indus Waters Treaty, it should "prepare for a full-scale war". He declared that Pakistan's nuclear weapons are not for display, and their locations are hidden across the country, ready to strike if provoked.

"If they stop the water supply to us, then they should be ready for a war. The military equipment we have, the missiles we have, they're not for display. Nobody knows where we have placed our nuclear weapons across the country. I say it again, these ballistic missiles, all of them are targeted at you," he warned.

Source: https://www.indiatoday.in/world/sto...are-130-nukes-aimed-at-you-2715738-2025-04-27.
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India knows the end result of war…

In 1971 General Niyazi surrenders with 93000 pak soldiers to India

In 2025, General Munir Surrenders with how many pak soldiers? And terrorists surrender? Any guesses.

Also they will make separate category for surrendering terrorists or they include them in Pak army?
 
globetrotter said:
India knows the end result of war…

In 1971 General Niyazi surrenders with 93000 pak soldiers to India

In 2025, General Munir Surrenders with how many pak soldiers? And terrorists surrender? Any guesses.

Also they will make separate category for surrendering terrorists or they include them in Pak army?
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Imran can take control of KPK, Balochs get Balochistan, Bhuttos can get their Sindh while Asim Munir rules Pakistani Punjab till Khalistan reclaims the land for the Sikhs!
 
India starts work on hydro projects after suspending treaty with Pakistan, say sources

India has begun work to boost reservoir holding capacity at two hydroelectric projects in the Himalayan region of Kashmir, sources with knowledge of the matter told Reuters, after fresh tension with Pakistan led it to suspend a water-sharing pact.

The work represents the first tangible step by India to operate outside agreements covered by the Indus Waters Treaty, which both countries have honoured since 1960 despite three wars and several other conflicts between the nuclear-armed rivals.

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Last month, however, New Delhi suspended the pact that ensures supply to 80% of Pakistani farms after it identified two of the three assailants in an attack that killed 26 people in Kashmir as Pakistani.

Islamabad denied any role in the attack and has threatened international legal action over the suspension warning: "Any attempt to stop or divert the flow of water belonging to Pakistan ... will be considered as an act of war."

A "reservoir flushing" process to remove sediment began on Thursday, carried out by India's biggest hydropower company, state-run NHPC Ltd (NHPC.NS), opens new tab, and authorities in the federal territory of Jammu and Kashmir, the three sources said.

The process initially results in sediment-laden waters being released downstream from the reservoirs, potentially causing sudden inundation, followed by a reduced flow of water as the reservoirs are refilled, one of the sources said.

The work may not immediately threaten supply to Pakistan, which depends on rivers flowing through India for much of its irrigation and hydropower, but it could eventually be affected if other dams launch similar efforts.

There are more than half a dozen such projects in the region.

India did not inform Pakistan about the work at the Salal and Baglihar projects, which is being done for the first time since they were built in 1987 and 2008/09, respectively, as the treaty had blocked such work, the sources added.

They spoke on condition of anonymity as they were not authorised to talk to the media.

India's NHPC and the two governments did not reply to emails from Reuters seeking comment.

Since independence from British colonial rule in 1947, India and Pakistan have fought two of their three wars over Kashmir, in addition to numerous short conflicts.

The flushing operation ran for three days from May 1, the sources said.

"This is the first time such an exercise has taken place and will help in more efficient power generation and prevent damage to turbines," one of the sources told Reuters.

"We were also asked to open the adjustable gates for cleaning, which we did from May 1," the source said, adding that the effort aimed to free dam operations from any restrictions.

People living on the banks of the Chenab River on the Indian side of Kashmir said they noticed water had been released from both Salal and Baglihar dams from Thursday to Saturday. Videos shared by locals show some sections of the river in full flow while others were partly blocked by massive sediment deposits.

'FREE WILL'

The flushing of hydropower projects requires nearly emptying a reservoir to force out sediment, the build-up of which is a major cause of declining output.

For example, two of the sources said, power delivered by the 690-megawatt Salal project was far below its capacity, because Pakistan had prevented such flushing, while silt build-up also affected output at the 900-MW Baglihar project.

"Flushing is not a common thing because it leads to a lot of water wastage," said one of the sources. "Downstream countries are expected to be informed in case it leads to any inundation."

Building both projects had required extensive back and forth with Pakistan, which worries about losing out on its share of water.

Under the 1960 treaty, which split the Indus and its tributaries between the neighbours, India had also shared data such as hydrological flows at various spots on the rivers flowing through India and issued flood warnings.

India's water minister vowed last month to "ensure no drop of the Indus River's water reaches Pakistan".

Government officials and experts on both sides say India cannot stop water flows immediately, however, as the treaty has allowed it only to build so-called run-of-river hydropower plants, which do not require significant storage dams, on the three rivers allocated to Pakistan.

The suspension means India "can now pursue our projects at free will", said Kushvinder Vohra, a recently retired head of India's Central Water Commission who worked extensively on Indus disputes with Pakistan.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government has sought to renegotiate the treaty in recent years and the arch foes have tried to settle some of their differences at the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague.

These concerns related to the size of the water storage area at the region's Kishenganga and Ratle hydroelectric plants.

 
Bilawal Bhutto clearly said “ if India stops river water to flow into Pakistan, then they will turn water into their (Indian) blood. despite India stopped water flowing to Pakistan from bagilhar dam, salal dam on Chenab, Kaha hai India walon ka khoon bahanewala? Why Bilawal is still hiding?
 
Pakistan’s Indus River System Authority confirms a 21% water shortage in early Kharif due to reduced Chenab flows.

A sustained 20% drop in water levels of the Chenab would devastate Pakistan’s cotton and rice crops.

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rpant_gabba said:
Indian posters, want to get your take on this.

guys like @Rajdeep @Red-Indian @Devadwal might not have the stomach for it.

the indus river can be used a vector a variety of applications.

@RexRex

@AamchiMumbaikar @nish_mate @Nikhil_cric @Champ_Pal @deltexas @Hitman @Varun
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India will not be able to block all the water all the time for some time. What they will 100% do is not adhere to any water release schedule. One of the treaty requirements is also to downstream country (pak) aware of release cycles, timing, amount of water being released etc. Now with treaty in abeyance, India can completely do away with any such communications. In fact they can complete disband any communication protocol they have setup with Pak. They are not required to do anything until some other treaty both agree to. This will spell disastrous for Pakistani farmers and downstream users who have to deal with disruption in crop cycles. Some water will flow to Pak but it will be on India's terms and when they choose to not when Pak and their farmers need. And this water can also be release without any warning leading to very less time for the farmers and Pakistani government to react to the inflow of water.
 
zn426 said:
I'm reading the posts on these threads...are you people insane? Do you have no sense? I see Indians talking about starving Pakistan of water, using the dam system to disrupt Pakistani agriculture and destroy food and crops, are you serious? If you want to go to war, at least be honest about it. Don't hide behind violations of a treaty that put millions of people at risk.

Speaking objectively-you will get absolutely none of what you are claiming. Seeing as 1 million Indian troops can't stop a terror attack I think their ability to protect their dam infrastructure in such contested areas is suspect. Pakistan threatening nuclear warfare is stupid, it will kill the whole subcontinent in nuclear exchanges and 1.5B dead people would be even worse. This isn't Hiroshima or Nagasaki, both Pakistan and India are highly densely populated countries. It's also morally wrong to threaten nuclear warfare.

I do think however that if India starts building more dams those dams will get attacked. Pakistan has made that very clear. I keep seeing this question: "who will enforce the treaty?". Well, if India's not observing the treaty, Pakistan's only option is to go to the International courts or to simply start using military force to enforce the treaty. It's very obvious that Pakistan is currently favoring the latter.
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safeguarding against terrorists who are among citizens is different than safeguarding dam infrastructure. There is absolutely zero chance Pakistan will ever attack a dam in India and if they do they will appropriate response. There is no holding back there and chances of India coming on top of that war is more than Pakistan's and everyone knows that. India was able to come on top when they were particularly vulnerable in 1971 and 1999, do you think a much more economically and technologically prosperous India against a weaker Pak will lose?
 
rpant_gabba said:
So you did read it. what did you think?

Its an elegant effective plan which brings about serious damage without involving military action.

Can you imagine the world wide panic? too bad India is stlll infested by GNV
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what is that i missed man? send it to me too
 
SportsWarrior said:
what is that i missed man? send it to me too
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Not sure if i'm allowed DM. Its expands on India current abeyance of the IWT. Water pollution is a major headache for for health, agriculture industry etc etc.

India is already looking at stopping medicines and Pharmaceuticals.

Now combine that with Indians abroad doing their part, create a multiplier effect
 
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