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Pakistan fans need to believe in our core group of players for success in future

RizwanT20Champ said:
I firmly believe we should stick with our core group of players going forward:

1. Fakhar
2. Ayub
3. Rizwan
4. Babar
5. Shaheen
6. Naseem
7. Agha (in tests and ODIs)
8. Abrar

These 8 should be the core of the next 12-15 players that we groom. The time is not for drastic measures. After India were smashed in T20 WC 2021 and T20 WC 2022 they did not make a 180 change with personnel but they trusted their players. These players have done well for us in the past and need to be persisted with. Ask them to change the way they play and set new goals if needed but persist with them. With this mix and a few youngsters we can definitely do well in 2026 T20 WC and 2027 WC. PSL should not be criteria for selection.


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Excellent post. This is how we need to move forward but we know decision makers in PCB are absolutely clueless.

Babar though was a very powerful captain at one point and he had an excellent opportunity to build a team but he made this huge mistake of not rotating his players enough and not introducing young players.


It meant more injuries to his main players and he did not have players ready as injury replacements.

Not did he have players ready to fill in for our of form players.
Still remember how he persisted with out of form Hassan Ali in 2021 which eventually cost him the WC.
 
Kianig89 said:
Do you know about fitness standards for any sport
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khyberlion said:
Azam is hardly had any success in domestics or leagues bar a few innings. Rizwan had a stellar record in all formats. Azam Khan will struggle to make the million domestics teams which we have.
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He's doing well in the PSL. He is the fastest to hit 200 t20 6s among Pak batters.
 
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Local.Dada said:
In T20 you need 20(10) type cameos. The tail is mostly bowling-allrounders. Abbas Afridi has capability to be a world beating allrounder and Naseem I feel like IK will be a batting allrounder in his late 30s. He has good batting temperament.

It is not atrocious if you have 25+ yrs of experience watching and understanding cricket 👍
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It is not atrocious if you have 25+ yrs of experience watching and understanding cricket 👍

You're correct, it is not atrocious because you have 25+ years of watching a format that isn't even 25 years old.

It is atrocious because your cricketing take is absolutely atrocious.
 
If I were Babar Azam’s dad, I wouldn’t be making instagram posts crying about Babar getting dropped from T20s

I would be constantly hounding the PCB to ensure Pakistan are playing 12-15 Tests a year so that my son can break those records in this format.

The whole family and their priorities come across as a joke!
 
Rana said:
If I were Babar Azam’s dad, I wouldn’t be making instagram posts crying about Babar getting dropped from T20s

I would be constantly hounding the PCB to ensure Pakistan are playing 12-15 Tests a year so that my son can break those records in this format.

The whole family and their priorities come across as a joke!
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All format nonsense is a joke. Throughout cricket history their have been very few all format players like Gayle, Travis, KP, Kohli and even then all these players have been better in whiteball then they have been in red ball.

Only contention is Ab, However de villers international t20 record is so hilariously poor that I don't really include him as an all format international player.

Most cricketers focus on one format where they shine and in this era, you have to choose between t20 specialist or test specialist due to Odi's decreasing popularity.

If I was Babar azam + his father, I'd choose test for the following reasons.

A) Babar's game is not suited for t20, He cannot or rather should I say is unwilling to learn how to loft and play according to modern standards.

B) He has to be adjusted as an opener or no 3 and it deprived young guns of chances.

If he becomes a test specialist then at the very least he can improve temperament and technique.

He sucks in tests cause not only is he even more gullible then Kohli in test cricket, but his technique is all over the place and it's a format where you need to have a strong technique.

But their are greater chances of improving in test format then their is in t20.

For t20 you either have the prowess or you don't. In test you can always improve.
 
mominsaigol said:
All format nonsense is a joke. Throughout cricket history their have been very few all format players like Gayle, Travis, KP, Kohli and even then all these players have been better in whiteball then they have been in red ball.

Only contention is Ab, However de villers international t20 record is so hilariously poor that I don't really include him as an all format international player.

Most cricketers focus on one format where they shine and in this era, you have to choose between t20 specialist or test specialist due to Odi's decreasing popularity.

If I was Babar azam + his father, I'd choose test for the following reasons.

A) Babar's game is not suited for t20, He cannot or rather should I say is unwilling to learn how to loft and play according to modern standards.

B) He has to be adjusted as an opener or no 3 and it deprived young guns of chances.

If he becomes a test specialist then at the very least he can improve temperament and technique.

He sucks in tests cause not only is he even more gullible then Kohli in test cricket, but his technique is all over the place and it's a format where you need to have a strong technique.

But their are greater chances of improving in test format then their is in t20.

For t20 you either have the prowess or you don't. In test you can always improve.
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Should be ODI accumulator with aggressive players.

Tests doesn't have good technique and now that Pakistan is going with dustbowls, won't be able to score runs.
 
There is lot of discussion in this forum on players. Let discuss what we are doing as cricket fans.

I believe we put players on heights too early in theirs careers on the basis of just few good performances without letting them become mature.

Similarly we do not support players in their bad times. There are good days & bad days in every cricketers life.

Baber is a prime example of this. He was still young when people compared him with Virat Kohli & classified him in world Fab four but now in his bad times want him to retire too early in his career.
 
Correct me if i am wrong. I think part of the problem is some of the "good days" of Babar were not actually good days if you look at it objectively. Few called this out even when he was not really out of form.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Correct me if i am wrong. I think part of the problem is some of the "good days" of Babar were not actually good days if you look at it objectively. Few called this out even when he was not really out of form.
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his good days were pretty average. He is a pretty decent bat who can retire as very good player for Pakistan. But he does seem to lack motivation, skills and ability to take it to next level.
 
khyberlion said:
Better than being Azam Khan. Should be concentrating on losing weight and looking like a cricketer than a sumo wrestler. You are wasting your time on here. This won't get you selected not even against Ireland.
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Despite him being overweight, he has the best T20 strike rate among active Pakistan players.
 
khyberlion said:
Yes an average of 3 with Sr less than 80 I believe outside Ireland. Brilliant attempt Azam Khan. Those stats won't get you selected for Cambodia.
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Why are you excluding Ireland stats? They beat Pakistan once with star duo of RizBar in the team. And how many Cambodia players would get a CPL or ILT20 contracts?
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Why are you excluding Ireland stats? They beat Pakistan once with star duo of RizBar in the team. And how many Cambodia players would get a CPL or ILT20 contracts?
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And why are you ignoring that Pakistan won because of Babar and Rizwan too? Ireland is a minnow in case you are not aware. So when Pakistan lose its Babar and Rizwan fault but when they win and by scoring most of the runs it's Azam Khan 18 runs which matter. Height of being dishonest.
 
Sachin fan said:
Weird how this means their claimed age is always younger than their actual age but never older than their actual age. If it was truly because they didn't know, the age was as likely to be higher than real age as much as lower.

But every single one has lower age. Seems like deliberate to me
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Ofcourse its intentional. Its usually 4 years. In the most parts of KPK it can be 7 years.
 
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khyberlion said:
And why are you ignoring that Pakistan won because of Babar and Rizwan too? Ireland is a minnow in case you are not aware. So when Pakistan lose its Babar and Rizwan fault but when they win and by scoring most of the runs it's Azam Khan 18 runs which matter. Height of being dishonest.
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you are ignoring the fact that Azam Khan has played just 13 t20i innings. He might not be World class but at least plays with the right intent.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
you are ignoring the fact that Azam Khan has played just 13 t20i innings. He might not be World class but at least plays with the right intent.
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Right intent with an average of 3 and Sr less then 100 in t20s? Thank you we don't need that intent. As usual you avoided the main part of the post where your hyproicy was exposed.
 
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khyberlion said:
Right intent with an average of 3 and Sr less then 100 in t20s? Thank you we don't need that intent. As usual you avoided the main part of the post where your hyproicy was exposed.
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That's for a very small sample size. And he has shown his intent in various leagues around the world including PSL and CPL.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
That's for a very small sample size. And he has shown his intent in various leagues around the world including PSL and CPL.
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10 games are more than enough to show your talent at international level. The fact is he's been exposed in international cricket which is evident by his record for which even Chris Martin won't be proud off.
 
khyberlion said:
10 games are more than enough to show your talent at international level. The fact is he's been exposed in international cricket which is evident by his record for which even Chris Martin won't be proud off.
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that's your opinion. I would want him to get more opportunities. But he should have an excellent PSL first. Should do something extraordinary there, not just middling performance. Do you agree with this or want me to insult him?
 
Shehmir said:
There is lot of discussion in this forum on players. Let discuss what we are doing as cricket fans.

I believe we put players on heights too early in theirs careers on the basis of just few good performances without letting them become mature.

Similarly we do not support players in their bad times. There are good days & bad days in every cricketers life.

Baber is a prime example of this. He was still young when people compared him with Virat Kohli & classified him in world Fab four but now in his bad times want him to retire too early in his career.
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He has been for years, that is a bit too much, is it not?

Besides in his so called prime - Babar was a tuk tuk bat.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
that's your opinion. I would want him to get more opportunities. But he should have an excellent PSL first. Should do something extraordinary there, not just middling performance. Do you agree with this or want me to insult him?
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Any one wanting a player like Azam Khan in the team, has no knowledge about cricket.

Just check what Wood did to him.
 
I am glad RizBar have been dropped from T20s. This gives an opportunity to the kachra players to play and shine. Good days ahead.
 
gazza619 said:
I am glad RizBar have been dropped from T20s. This gives an opportunity to the kachra players to play and shine. Good days ahead.
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I think the new players need support from the fans.

Pakistan cricket will not end with the departure of Rizwan and Babar. Let's be honest we need better T20 role models for our youngsters the way the game has evolved in last few years.

We did not win tournaments even with Rizwan and Babar at their peak so why not try some new faces and try and build a good set of players.

I am very excited to see players like Maaz Irfan Omair Hassan. Time for these youngsters to throw caution to the winds.
 
Rana said:
Yeah it’s shocking how the guy who did ok is getting hate

And two guys who had nothing to do with your consistent failures are also getting hate.
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And Saud, who played one of the best knock against Indian spinners in the tournament, has been dropped.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
And Saud, who played one of the best knock against Indian spinners in the tournament, has been dropped.
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I have a feeling he was the one who snitched to the management about Rizwan’s ridiculous statements about the management getting fired. I’m trying to connect the dots as he might have told Asad Shafique who is a selector.

Makes no sense otherwise how he isn’t in the ODI squad but RizBar and Imam retain their spots
 
Rana said:
They haven’t had a chance to do anything, so what’s the point of hating them? What about the hundreds of matches your heroes played and did nothing?
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Oh dont get me started. They have had ample chances in domestic cricket and have failed by a country mile. Some of them haven’t even played enough domestic cricket and you want them to do national duties?! Crazy!!!
 
gazza619 said:
Oh dont get me started. They have had ample chances in domestic cricket and have failed by a country mile. Some of them haven’t even played enough domestic cricket and you want them to do national duties?! Crazy!!!
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Who hasnt played domestic cricket and is doing national duty in this squad?
 
Rana said:
It’s funny how all of these players were the ‘golden generation of Pakistan’ when Imran Khan was the premier of Pakistan. Now they are all Kachra since Khan sab has gone to jail.
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One poster was crediting Ramiz Raja for "building the team", I asked how he did it and didn't get a straight reply

Another poster was saying Naqvi has caused downfall. I asked when did they even have a rise and he didn't reply.

Ramiz was really a great salesman.
 
@gazza619 which player who plays Domestic have I asked for to be in the team? Which players out of those selected don’t play domestic cricket?
 
RyanRyan10 said:
One poster was crediting Ramiz Raja for "building the team", I asked how he did it and didn't get a straight reply

Another poster was saying Naqvi has caused downfall. I asked when did they even have a rise and he didn't reply.

Ramiz was really a great salesman.
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Whatever Rameez was, he was not a muppet like Naqvi. He had genuine ideas and a vision. You could argue that his ideas weren't good but he was much better.
 
gazza619 said:
Whatever Rameez was, he was not a muppet like Naqvi. He had genuine ideas and a vision. You could argue that his ideas weren't good but he was much better.
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What was Ramiz’s genuine vision? “Cricket hi Babar hai. Babar hi dunya hai”. That’s his vision????
 
Rana said:
@gazza619 which player who plays Domestic have I asked for to be in the team? Which players out of those selected don’t play domestic cricket?
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Well if you check your own post and find domestic records, do a little CTRL F and find the records of the kachra which you are excited about.
 
gazza619 said:
Well if you check your own post and find domestic records, do a little CTRL F and find the records of the kachra which you are excited about.
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But who doesn’t play domestic in this squad? I like the players selected in T20s, which one doesn’t play domestic??
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I firmly believe we should stick with our core group of players going forward:

1. Fakhar
2. Ayub
3. Rizwan
4. Babar
5. Shaheen
6. Naseem
7. Agha (in tests and ODIs)
8. Abrar

These 8 should be the core of the next 12-15 players that we groom. The time is not for drastic measures. After India were smashed in T20 WC 2021 and T20 WC 2022 they did not make a 180 change with personnel but they trusted their players. These players have done well for us in the past and need to be persisted with. Ask them to change the way they play and set new goals if needed but persist with them. With this mix and a few youngsters we can definitely do well in 2026 T20 WC and 2027 WC. PSL should not be criteria for selection.


@FearlessRoar @The Bald Eagle @Rana @mominsaigol @gazza619 @Ahmed216 @Kianig89 @Markhor @Nikhil_cric @Dr_Bassim @jamie smith
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Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Naseem (and Haris Rauf + Shadab) are just not good enough to play for Pakistan, they are tried and tested failures

Why should we believe in them? They need to be dropped ASAP from all formats...
 
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