Pakistan has edge against hyped Australia | Preview Pakistan vs Aussies 12/06/2019

[fight_club]

I know what you are thinking, I have my feet firmly on the ground and
Have not got carried away with Pakistan Surprise Win Against No.1 ODI
Side. I say this with all humbleness that Pakistan Start as favorites
against a Fancied but over hyped Australia side who is actually under
severe Pressure.

The bad news for Pakistan is that both Weak links in Australian side, Stoinis and Coulter Nile might sit out of the game and they might bring in tall left arm Pacer Behrendroff and Maybe Shaun Marsh.


Match against India Exposed the Hype of Aussies mighty Attack to embarrassingly Average one on these Flat pitches and India showed the world and I am sure Pakistan must have happily taken note of the right
strategy to Play out Initial burst of Starc and cummins watchfully without
giving away wickets and than cash on the other bowlers.

I would all of you to mark what I am saying that teams which have best
bowling combination will go on to win this tournament. on Flat pitches batting evens out its the bowling and fielding which will the deciding factor and I rate the following teams to Possess best all round attack
India, Pakistan, New Zealand and England.

Windies Seems to have exceptional Pace battery but they lack a good Spinners. Aussies seems to have better balance but they lack a fourth
wicket taking options

Indian attack has a chink and that's is over reliance on Spinners. Against Asian teams they might not fare as well as they will do against Non Asian team case in point is their shock defeat in 2017 Champions trophy against a less fancied Lanka.

However you must be able to dominate their spinners in order to defeat strong Indian attack. The other way is to blow over their top order but they still have depth to put up a decent total. You have to put the knife right in the heart to kill the giant and only teams which will dominate Indian spinners will be able to defeat it.

Pakistan does not need any changes against Aussies they have a perfect balance and those little spells by Hafeez and Malik can fetch us surprise
dividends. Wahab ability to strike in the middle overs will again be the key and I am positive that Hassan has gained some momentum coming into this crucial game.

I have been saying it and will keep repeating it that Sarfaraz must come at No. 4 if wicket fell between first 30 overs. Likes of Hafeez must come only after that. Of all the Criticism PCB face one must Give them credit for arranging the 5 match series against England. This series has given Pakistan Achilles heels its batting immense self belief.

Why India is seen as World best in batting? Because whenever their batsmen get set they usually score big match winning hundreds. A 60 or 70 might look good but a 120 or 130 makes Gigantic Impact on the outcome and demoralize the bowlers. Pakistan top 3 have all scored centuries coming into this world cup and that have nicely settled those
crazy butterflies

Pakistan should look to win the toss and bat unless they leave so much grass on the surface that Cows goes wild. They must not complicate things for themselves Aussies attack is still hurting from the lashing they
have received from Indian batsmen and If they don't taste early blood the shoulders might start to dark clouds of self doubts will not be far behind

Having said that, Aussies Batting is far more potent than their bowling but an Off Color Warner is robbing them of any momentum as well putting undue pressure on the rest. Oh, the Curse of Reputation !

They had such a wonderful opening pair in Khawaja and Finchy going which has been suddenly thrown to quandary by an off color Warner. IF your Openers are not firing the entire batting rhythm gets upset and who better knows it than Pakistan who have searched for years before finally getting a settled pair top the order.

Carey has really come good and provide lots of Imputes to the late order florish but he will need some company and inconsistent Maxwell has failed to deliver and so has Stoinis. However We all know How dangerous Maxwell can be but he has his weakness against bouncers and short pitch wide bowling.

Make no doubt that Australia is under tremendous pressure because the nature of Thrashing has broken the myth and exposed several chinks in the armor at the same time they still have match winners with both bat and ball. Wily sarfaraz must have smelled the nervousness and looking for a kill which will embolden the confidence of Pakistan before the all important showdown.

Aussies will look to bounce back with a vengeance and claim the bragging rights but they are hurt by loss and injuries. Pakistan on the other hand will look to keep them under pressure. It has a new found confidence and
surprisingly assured batting line up but its their mercurial and lethal attack which really gives them a slight edge.

Fight_Club

 

[Ronaldo7]

Nice write up.
But I disagree.
Aus are favourites over pak. Not overwhelming but not slight either.

 

[Hyperion66]

I rate the following teams to Possess best all round attack
India, Pakistan, New Zealand and England.

Fight_Club

Respectfully disagree with your list. Pakistan has neither a good pace attack nor spin. SA has Rabada and Tahir, you don't have anyone of their class, should have included SA instead.

 

[geraltofrivia]

pakistan's attack is rubbish - one of the worst in the world.

 

[slice]

Well lets not go as far as saying Pakistan are favorites but its very much possible for them to beat Australia...and SA too.Seeing how they put up a good fight against England,there is no reason why these two teams will be a bigger challenge.
Against India and NZ though losses are pretty much guaranteed.

 

[fight_club]

Nice write up.
But I disagree.
Aus are favourites over pak. Not overwhelming but not slight either.

Thanks, We can agree to disagree, Cheers !

Respectfully disagree with your list. Pakistan has neither a good pace attack nor spin. SA has Rabada and Tahir, you don't have anyone of their class, should have included SA instead.

Thanks Mate, I welcome your disagreement.

While I agree about the Rabada and to certain Extent Tahir but for Me to Qualify for Best bowling attack you must possess four Impact bowlers in the team and nice variation. You have seen the fate of SA bowling attack also of Pakistan Attack against the best Batting side in the world.

Aamir surely is not what he use to be but he is still very accurate and on these surfaces he has been able to get some initial purchase plus he has become far more intelligent bowler who know what angles, length and pace to bowl. Wahab is a total freak but he is like Russel a very high Impact bowler who has X factor though not consistent but very lethal and even Hassan has started to get his death bowling going
IF you would have noticed against England his second spell was the match turning as he along with Shahdab created huge pressure on english batsmen

English Pitches suit Pakistan attack to a nicety. Lets see how it goes from here

 

[Ronaldo7]

Well lets not go as far as saying Pakistan are favorites but its very much possible for them to beat Australia...and SA too.Seeing how they put up a good fight against England,there is no reason why these two teams will be a bigger challenge.
Against India and NZ though losses are pretty much guaranteed.

Nz??
Seriously??
I would understand if you had said that a loss against aus was guaranteed. But nz??
Nah.

 

[fight_club]

Nz??
Seriously??
I would understand if you had said that a loss against aus was guaranteed. But nz??
Nah.

Actually I would agree with him here, Kiwis are massively underrated but their bowling
can blow away any batting on their day and even if they dont blow you away they wll still
not give you many.

However its their batting which has not really come to the party but as I told you on Flat
pitches batting becomes an easier discipline and bowling actually decide the fate

Kiwis have seriously good attack

 

[Mamoon]

Australia is overrated by people who have conjured a certain image of Australian cricket in their heads, thanks to the success of their great side in the 2000s. However, I disagree that Pakistan have an edge. Australia's core is comfortably stronger than ours, and they will have to underperform for Pakistan to win.

Just like how Pakistan beat England because Roy, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes and Archer performed below their best, the likes of Smith, Starc, Cummins and Warner will have to fail for Pakistan to topple them.

 

[Titan24]

Good points made. However, my concern is Pakistan's bowling which in last couple of years has struggled but, if it can come in form (Was much better against Eng in last match) then Pakistan can definitely target one of those semi finalists spot. Pakistan bowling against Aus in my opinion will define their direction.

 

[Napa]

I know what you are thinking, I have my feet firmly on the ground and
Have not got carried away with Pakistan Surprise Win Against No.1 ODI
Side. I say this with all humbleness that Pakistan Start as favorites
against a Fancied but over hyped Australia side who is actually under
severe Pressure.

The bad news for Pakistan is that both Weak links in Australian side, Stoinis and Coulter Nile might sit out of the game and they might bring in tall left arm Pacer Behrendroff and Maybe Shaun Marsh.


Match against India Exposed the Hype of Aussies mighty Attack to embarrassingly Average one on these Flat pitches and India showed the world and I am sure Pakistan must have happily taken note of the right
strategy to Play out Initial burst of Starc and cummins watchfully without
giving away wickets and than cash on the other bowlers.

I would all of you to mark what I am saying that teams which have best
bowling combination will go on to win this tournament. on Flat pitches batting evens out its the bowling and fielding which will the deciding factor and I rate the following teams to Possess best all round attack
India, Pakistan, New Zealand and England.

Windies Seems to have exceptional Pace battery but they lack a good Spinners. Aussies seems to have better balance but they lack a fourth
wicket taking options

Indian attack has a chink and that's is over reliance on Spinners. Against Asian teams they might not fare as well as they will do against Non Asian team case in point is their shock defeat in 2017 Champions trophy against a less fancied Lanka.

However you must be able to dominate their spinners in order to defeat strong Indian attack. The other way is to blow over their top order but they still have depth to put up a decent total. You have to put the knife right in the heart to kill the giant and only teams which will dominate Indian spinners will be able to defeat it.

Pakistan does not need any changes against Aussies they have a perfect balance and those little spells by Hafeez and Malik can fetch us surprise
dividends. Wahab ability to strike in the middle overs will again be the key and I am positive that Hassan has gained some momentum coming into this crucial game.

I have been saying it and will keep repeating it that Sarfaraz must come at No. 4 if wicket fell between first 30 overs. Likes of Hafeez must come only after that. Of all the Criticism PCB face one must Give them credit for arranging the 5 match series against England. This series has given Pakistan Achilles heels its batting immense self belief.

Why India is seen as World best in batting? Because whenever their batsmen get set they usually score big match winning hundreds. A 60 or 70 might look good but a 120 or 130 makes Gigantic Impact on the outcome and demoralize the bowlers. Pakistan top 3 have all scored centuries coming into this world cup and that have nicely settled those
crazy butterflies

Pakistan should look to win the toss and bat unless they leave so much grass on the surface that Cows goes wild. They must not complicate things for themselves Aussies attack is still hurting from the lashing they
have received from Indian batsmen and If they don't taste early blood the shoulders might start to dark clouds of self doubts will not be far behind

Having said that, Aussies Batting is far more potent than their bowling but an Off Color Warner is robbing them of any momentum as well putting undue pressure on the rest. Oh, the Curse of Reputation !

They had such a wonderful opening pair in Khawaja and Finchy going which has been suddenly thrown to quandary by an off color Warner. IF your Openers are not firing the entire batting rhythm gets upset and who better knows it than Pakistan who have searched for years before finally getting a settled pair top the order.

Carey has really come good and provide lots of Imputes to the late order florish but he will need some company and inconsistent Maxwell has failed to deliver and so has Stoinis. However We all know How dangerous Maxwell can be but he has his weakness against bouncers and short pitch wide bowling.

Make no doubt that Australia is under tremendous pressure because the nature of Thrashing has broken the myth and exposed several chinks in the armor at the same time they still have match winners with both bat and ball. Wily sarfaraz must have smelled the nervousness and looking for a kill which will embolden the confidence of Pakistan before the all important showdown.

Aussies will look to bounce back with a vengeance and claim the bragging rights but they are hurt by loss and injuries. Pakistan on the other hand will look to keep them under pressure. It has a new found confidence and
surprisingly assured batting line up but its their mercurial and lethal attack which really gives them a slight edge.

Fight_Club

Bookies currently have Australia around 70% and Pakistan around 30%.

WI bowlers exposed the weakness of Pakistani batsmen. I am sure the Aussies took notes. Should be interesting tomorrow, if the Aussie bowlers are able to repeat what the WI bowlers did, it will not only show that the weakness of the Pakistani batsmen is real, but also that the English bowling attack is quite poor.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Actually I would agree with him here, Kiwis are massively underrated but their bowling
can blow away any batting on their day and even if they dont blow you away they wll still
not give you many.

However its their batting which has not really come to the party but as I told you on Flat
pitches batting becomes an easier discipline and bowling actually decide the fate

Kiwis have seriously good attack

Obviously the Kiwis have it in them to beat us but is their victory over us GUARANTEED?
not even close.
It will be 60-40 in favour of the kiwis which means it should be a close match.

 

[Ami]

Australia is overrated by people who have conjured a certain image of Australian cricket in their heads, thanks to the success of their great side in the 2000s. However, I disagree that Pakistan have an edge. Australia's core is comfortably stronger than ours, and they will have to underperform for Pakistan to win.

Just like how Pakistan beat England because Roy, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes and Archer performed below their best, the likes of Smith, Starc, Cummins and Warner will have to fail for Pakistan to topple them.

Lets just hope that the main players of all our future fixtures go to sleep against Pakistan...ill take that for a win, anyday.

 

[Ellipsism]

If Australia bowl first, and it is overcast with something in the pitch I won’t be surprised if Behrendorff steam rolls us.

 

[Titan24]

Bookies currently have Australia around 70% and Pakistan around 30%.

WI bowlers exposed the weakness of Pakistani batsmen. I am sure the Aussies took notes. Should be interesting tomorrow, if the Aussie bowlers are able to repeat what the WI bowlers did, it will not only show that the weakness of the Pakistani batsmen is real, but also that the English bowling attack is quite poor.

Eng bowling attack had Archer and Wood who were consistently bowling at 90+ kph if they couldnt work on the weakness of Pak batsmen against short balls I would be surprised If Aus achieves the same result as WI. It was one off day for Pak batting against WI, as taking into account the law of averages after so many 300 + scores against Eng in the series they were poised to fail in one off game.

 

[fight_club]

Australia is overrated by people who have conjured a certain image of Australian cricket in their heads, thanks to the success of their great side in the 2000s. However, I disagree that Pakistan have an edge. Australia's core is comfortably stronger than ours, and they will have to underperform for Pakistan to win.

Just like how Pakistan beat England because Roy, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes and Archer performed below their best, the likes of Smith, Starc, Cummins and Warner will have to fail for Pakistan to topple them.

Thanks for half agreeing with me about Mighty Aussies hype. Now a pertinent Question How did Pakistan
Defeat this all mighty English side. I will summarize them as follows

1. On flat decks English Hold no surprise and threats. We have faced petty much the same attack and scored three consecutive 330 plus
2. We took their major Weapon Rashid to cleaners and trust me it was well planned
3. Our bowling had balance Lead beautifully by Mature Amir and supported well by all sundaries

You just can't wake up one fine day and keep the world best batting line up under check so
something must have gone massively right.

I do fear whether they will be consistent, but I have no reason to fear otherwise. Pakistan bowlers
make the best use of English pitches and that's a proven factor

Coming to Aussies, They are not having a settled top or lower order plus their attack barring the
Deadly Duo has missing link so yes Against this Aussies side purely based on what is on the display
I would stick my neck out and say Pakistan has Edge

 

[fight_club]

Bookies currently have Australia around 70% and Pakistan around 30%.

WI bowlers exposed the weakness of Pakistani batsmen. I am sure the Aussies took notes. Should be interesting tomorrow, if the Aussie bowlers are able to repeat what the WI bowlers did, it will not only show that the weakness of the Pakistani batsmen is real, but also that the English bowling attack is quite poor.

And Same WI attack had the Bookies darling Aussies in deep sea with 4 down on 30 odd on the flatest deck of the tournament. I am not saying Pakistan is Miles ahead but they have slight edge a settled combination which has caused the biggest upset of the tournament and on the other hand Aussies struggling with uncertain top and lower order plus an unsettled bowling attack

I would not be surprised if Aussies beat Pakistan but Purely on the Current display and above mentioned
factors I would fancy Pakistan you have every reason to put your money on Aussies

 

[Syed1]

Australia is overrated by people who have conjured a certain image of Australian cricket in their heads, thanks to the success of their great side in the 2000s. However, I disagree that Pakistan have an edge. Australia's core is comfortably stronger than ours, and they will have to underperform for Pakistan to win.

Just like how Pakistan beat England because Roy, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes and Archer performed below their best, the likes of Smith, Starc, Cummins and Warner will have to fail for Pakistan to topple them.

Yeah they all magically performed below their best or all collectively decided to have an off-day just for the kicks and giggles, and Pakistani players preparation, planning or performance had nothing to do with it.


Anything to put down a Pak win, I'm just glad you didn't use your taqiya kalaam "fluke".

 

[fight_club]

Obviously the Kiwis have it in them to beat us but is their victory over us GUARANTEED?
not even close.
It will be 60-40 in favour of the kiwis which means it should be a close match.

Surely, that I dont agree no one is guaranteed to beat anyone between two good teams

 

[UP]

Australia is overrated by people who have conjured a certain image of Australian cricket in their heads, thanks to the success of their great side in the 2000s. However, I disagree that Pakistan have an edge. Australia's core is comfortably stronger than ours, and they will have to underperform for Pakistan to win.

Just like how Pakistan beat England because Roy, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes and Archer performed below their best, the likes of Smith, Starc, Cummins and Warner will have to fail for Pakistan to topple them.

I dont get your thinking - obviously one team has to play bad or underperform in order to lose.

The other day Warner, Starc and other players underperformed which made Indian lives comfortable.

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah they all magically performed below their best or all collectively decided to have an off-day just for the kicks and giggles, and Pakistani players preparation, planning or performance had nothing to do with it.


Anything to put down a Pak win, I'm just glad you didn't use your taqiya kalaam "fluke".

I dont get your thinking - obviously one team has to play bad or underperform in order to lose.

The other day Warner, Starc and other players underperformed which made Indian lives comfortable.

Pakistan is a weak team, and that is why it is ranked 6th. For Pakistan to beat a top ranked side, it not only needs to be at its best, it also has to hope that the top ranked team doesn't perform to its best capability. If both the top ranked team and the 6th ranked team play well, the top ranked team will always win because its best is better than the best of the 6th ranked team.

As far as India vs Australia is concerned, India is a better team than Australia. It doesn't have to rely on Australia under-peforming to win.

 

[Mamoon]

Thanks for half agreeing with me about Mighty Aussies hype. Now a pertinent Question How did Pakistan
Defeat this all mighty English side. I will summarize them as follows

1. On flat decks English Hold no surprise and threats. We have faced petty much the same attack and scored three consecutive 330 plus
2. We took their major Weapon Rashid to cleaners and trust me it was well planned
3. Our bowling had balance Lead beautifully by Mature Amir and supported well by all sundaries

You just can't wake up one fine day and keep the world best batting line up under check so
something must have gone massively right.

I do fear whether they will be consistent, but I have no reason to fear otherwise. Pakistan bowlers
make the best use of English pitches and that's a proven factor

Coming to Aussies, They are not having a settled top or lower order plus their attack barring the
Deadly Duo has missing link so yes Against this Aussies side purely based on what is on the display
I would stick my neck out and say Pakistan has Edge

The major reason why Pakistan beat England was because five key English players - Roy, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes and Archer - did not play well.

Rashid has been poor this summer, but in spite of neutralising him, we still got thumped in the ODI series. Although we played well in that series and in fact batted out of our skins, 4-5 key English players didn't collectively underperform in any individual match which is why they won every game.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The major reason why Pakistan beat England was because five key English players - Roy, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes and Archer - did not play well.

Rashid has been poor this summer, but in spite of neutralising him, we still got thumped in the ODI series. Although we played well in that series and in fact batted out of our skins, 4-5 key English players didn't collectively underperform in any individual match which is why they won every game.

Three wickets by Malik, Hafeez, Shadab were total gifts. Nothing deliveries.

 

[Ami]

Three wickets by Malik, Hafeez, Shadab were total gifts. Nothing deliveries.

That's Cricket!
Must be hard giving credit?

 

[Ronaldo7]

The major reason why Pakistan beat England was because five key English players - Roy, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes and Archer - did not play well.

Rashid has been poor this summer, but in spite of neutralising him, we still got thumped in the ODI series. Although we played well in that series and in fact batted out of our skins, 4-5 key English players didn't collectively underperform in any individual match which is why they won every game.

What r u talking about?
If they had performed they would have won the match. It's a given.
Like what r u even trying to say??
That is the same for any team.

Find new ways to undermine Pakistan's wins. This is just dumb.

 

[Mamoon]

What r u talking about?
If they had performed they would have won the match. It's a given.
Like what r u even trying to say??
That is the same for any team.

Find new ways to undermine Pakistan's wins. This is just dumb.

Read post #21. You will understand my point.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Read post #21. You will understand my point.

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] watch Ramizs newest YouTube video on the preview of this match. Surprisingly not terrible

 

[UP]

Pakistan is a weak team, and that is why it is ranked 6th. For Pakistan to beat a top ranked side, it not only needs to be at its best, it also has to hope that the top ranked team doesn't perform to its best capability. If both the top ranked team and the 6th ranked team play well, the top ranked team will always win because its best is better than the best of the 6th ranked team.

As far as India vs Australia is concerned, India is a better team than Australia. It doesn't have to rely on Australia under-peforming to win.

But you forgot to add that Buttler, Root, Moeen (bowling) all played great.

According to you Pak’s #1 ranking doesn’t matter in T20’s because a lower ranked Indian team won’t play Pak. But when discussing the ODI format, you bring in the rankings like how #6 has to play in order to beat the number 1 team.

Let’s say two top teams meet and they perform equally best to their abilities. How will we decide the winner in this case?

 

[fight_club]

The major reason why Pakistan beat England was because five key English players - Roy, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes and Archer - did not play well.

Rashid has been poor this summer, but in spite of neutralising him, we still got thumped in the ODI series. Although we played well in that series and in fact batted out of our skins, 4-5 key English players didn't collectively underperform in any individual match which is why they won every game.

Oh, now I got it. It seems These Bond's Elevan have Rolls royace Motor fit somewhre ensuring a mechanical precision with Robotic ease.

So it seems Roy doesnt have a weakness against wrist spinners?

So, every good or even best player or a bunch of them cant be put under the hammer by another bunch playing better all round cricket?

Has hafeez had any hold on left handers ever?

Wahab with a slingy action is extremely difficult to judge about the bounce he is gonna derive out of the surface

Lets accept the fact without any prejuidice or past notions that Pakistan team produced a superior over all performance that Bond elevan could and that means that these non Bond players without those Rolls Royace engines can certainly punch way above of what we have come to expect them

 

[gazza619]

Oh, now I got it. It seems These Bond's Elevan have Rolls royace Motor fit somewhre ensuring a mechanical precision with Robotic ease.

So it seems Roy doesnt have a weakness against wrist spinners?

So, every good or even best player or a bunch of them cant be put under the hammer by another bunch playing better all round cricket?

Has hafeez had any hold on left handers ever?

Wahab with a slingy action is extremely difficult to judge about the bounce he is gonna derive out of the surface

Lets accept the fact without any prejuidice or past notions that Pakistan team produced a superior over all performance that Bond elevan could and that means that these non Bond players without those Rolls Royace engines can certainly punch way above of what we have come to expect them

The beauty of sport is that unlike in other aspects of life, it allows you to see the underdog win sometimes. And thats why we all watch sports. Pakistan lost a gazillion ODIs in a row but one ODI win against the super mighty England has wiped away the losing streak from our memory. Isnt that beautiful?

As for some posters they were always like to take the credit away for winning. I say ignore their Einstein analysis and enjoy the moment.

As for Pak vs Australia game tomorrow, its all about what Pakistan turns up tomorrow morning. Its not about the higher ranked Australia. Its about Pakistan.

All Pakistan games are about Pakistan. It always was, it still is, and it always will be, and this is something nobody can take away. Lets see what mood Pakistan is in tomorrow.

 

[Cric1234]

If the wicket is on the greener side the edge will be neutralised to a double figure all out score.

 

[Mamoon]

But you forgot to add that Buttler, Root, Moeen (bowling) all played great.

According to you Pak’s #1 ranking doesn’t matter in T20’s because a lower ranked Indian team won’t play Pak. But when discussing the ODI format, you bring in the rankings like how #6 has to play in order to beat the number 1 team.

Let’s say two top teams meet and they perform equally best to their abilities. How will we decide the winner in this case?

The fact that England got within 14 runs of Pakistan with only two batsmen suggests how good they are. Not many teams in the world can get close to 350 with 4 batsmen failing.

It is highly unlikely that any two teams can be equally good. However, when two teams are very close to each other in capability, the conditions can prove to be decisive. The last two ODI series between England and India are a good example - both teams won 2-1 in their home conditions.

 

[Yossarian]

Bookies currently have Australia around 70% and Pakistan around 30%.

Bookies stats have a lot to do with how many bets are placed, and which way.

For example, at these bookies odds, if you, along with a few of your friends think "hey, I wouldn't mind putting a few quid on a Pakistan win considering those odds", then watch and see how suddenly the bookies odds change without a ball being bowled.

 

[Mamoon]

Oh, now I got it. It seems These Bond's Elevan have Rolls royace Motor fit somewhre ensuring a mechanical precision with Robotic ease.

So it seems Roy doesnt have a weakness against wrist spinners?

So, every good or even best player or a bunch of them cant be put under the hammer by another bunch playing better all round cricket?

Has hafeez had any hold on left handers ever?

Wahab with a slingy action is extremely difficult to judge about the bounce he is gonna derive out of the surface

Lets accept the fact without any prejuidice or past notions that Pakistan team produced a superior over all performance that Bond elevan could and that means that these non Bond players without those Rolls Royace engines can certainly punch way above of what we have come to expect them

Roy may have a weakness against leg-spin, but he was up against a poor leg-spinner (Shadab) who averages almost close to 40 against the major teams. Let's say the play each other 10 times. How many times would you back a mediocre spinner like Shadab to dismiss Roy in the first over?

Every good or even the best player can be put under the hammer by another bunch, true, but if a 6th ranked team has to beat a top ranked team, the top ranked team must perform below its capability. This is why their is a difference in rankings.

There is no doubt Pakistan produced a very good performance, but again, a 6th ranked side cannot beat a top ranked side if both produce very good performances. The top ranked side has to underperform for the 6th ranked side to prevail. If both teams are equal at their best, then England wouldn't be 1st and Pakistan wouldn't be 6th.

 

[Mamoon]

People can say what they want, but I am not interesting in giving credit and praising a team that is ranked 6th. I have no love or appreciation for collective mediocrity. I am also not interested in the "we are unpredictable" and "we are cornered tigers" nonsense.

 

[Mamoon]

But you forgot to add that Buttler, Root, Moeen (bowling) all played great.

According to you Pak’s #1 ranking doesn’t matter in T20’s because a lower ranked Indian team won’t play Pak. But when discussing the ODI format, you bring in the rankings like how #6 has to play in order to beat the number 1 team.

Let’s say two top teams meet and they perform equally best to their abilities. How will we decide the winner in this case?

About the T20 ranking,

I don't have time for Pakistan's T20 ranking because it is not earned. India also had an unbeaten streak in T20 series and we cannot call ourselves number one unless we prove it by beating them. Thankfully India are not interested in playing us otherwise it would be a repeat of the Asia Cup humiliation. We can beat them in one-off games, but not in a series. In multiple matches, superiority shines through and they are superior.

 

[UP]

The fact that England got within 14 runs of Pakistan with only two batsmen suggests how good they are. Not many teams in the world can get close to 350 with 4 batsmen failing.

It is highly unlikely that any two teams can be equally good. However, when two teams are very close to each other in capability, the conditions can prove to be decisive. The last two ODI series between England and India are a good example - both teams won 2-1 in their home conditions.

Aus almost came close as well. They would have most likely crossed the line had Warner played faster or his usual self. Would that have meant Ind’s players had an off day because a lower ranked team beat them?

We all know Pak is no match to top sides but when you rub your nose into victories is what irks people here. Its better to keep your mouth shut when Pak does well. That would nice for a change. We don’t want to hear you whine all the time, it gets boring. Hope you understand.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Unlike SA, to beat Australia in a world cup you really have to be good. 1996 world cup final, Aravinda De Silva masterful knock was needed to beat them in the final. In 2015 world cup Boult ripped through Australia with a 5 wicket haul in their first encounter bowling them out for 151. Lesser team would have given up. Starc ripped through their line up with a 6 wicket haul and NZ ended up winning by just 1 wicket. They are not going to surrender.

 

[UP]

About the T20 ranking,

I don't have time for Pakistan's T20 ranking because it is not earned. India also had an unbeaten streak in T20 series and we cannot call ourselves number one unless we prove it by beating them. Thankfully India are not interested in playing us otherwise it would be a repeat of the Asia Cup humiliation. We can beat them in one-off games, but not in a series. In multiple matches, superiority shines through and they are superior.

In the last Aane Do series - I hope you remember we caught you guys pants down in your den. It would have been a whitewash had we kept our brains together in the last one day. Now you will say that Indian team was old and blah blah.

Its not PCB’s fault that India doesn’t want to play. We invite them but they refuse. This is their best time to bash Pak until tables turn again. Pak is number #1, deal with it. Or in this case we can say India’s ODI ranking doesn’t matter because they don’t play Pak and so on.

 

[Mamoon]

Aus almost came close as well. They would have most likely crossed the line had Warner played faster or his usual self. Would that have meant Ind’s players had an off day because a lower ranked team beat them?

We all know Pak is no match to top sides but when you rub your nose into victories is what irks people here. Its better to keep your mouth shut when Pak does well. That would nice for a change. We don’t want to hear you whine all the time, it gets boring. Hope you understand.

Australia's 5th rank is a bit misleading. They were without their two best batsmen (both genuinely world class batsmen) for a year and they still have a significant point gap over the 6th ranked Pakistan. However, the points gap between them and a team like India is still less.

I would argue that a full-strength Australian team is the third best side at the moment, so India vs Australia is far less of a mismatch than England vs Pakistan. India still has to underperform to lose to Australia, but not to the extent that England had to in order to lose to Pakistan.

I usually don't post much while Pakistan is winning so you don't have to worry about my whining. I am not interested in celebrating mediocrity, and that is what 6th rank represents.

 

[Mamoon]

In the last Aane Do series - I hope you remember we caught you guys pants down in your den. It would have been a whitewash had we kept our brains together in the last one day. Now you will say that Indian team was old and blah blah.

Its not PCB’s fault that India doesn’t want to play. We invite them but they refuse. This is their best time to bash Pak until tables turn again. Pak is number #1, deal with it. Or in this case we can say India’s ODI ranking doesn’t matter because they don’t play Pak and so on.

You can call it blah blah but it is the truth. 2012/2013 was the perfect time to play India. Their golden generation was on its last legs, and transition to the next generation was not complete yet. England beat them in India in Tests and we beat them in India in ODIs. Both England and Pakistan were lucky to play them at the wrong (right) time. Once their transition was complete around 2013/2014, they became a top team again and have consistently maintained very high rankings.

If India vs Pakistan would have been annual affair in the 2010s, the Asia Cup humiliation, where they demolished us without Kohli in spite of being scared of playing us in the UAE, would have been standard procedure for us.

 

[UP]

You can call it blah blah but it is the truth. 2012/2013 was the perfect time to play India. Their golden generation was on its last legs, and transition to the next generation was not complete yet. England beat them in India in Tests and we beat them in India in ODIs. Both England and Pakistan were lucky to play them at the wrong (right) time. Once their transition was complete around 2013/2014, they became a top team again and have consistently maintained very high rankings.

If India vs Pakistan would have been annual affair in the 2010s, the Asia Cup humiliation, where they demolished us without Kohli in spite of being scared of playing us in the UAE, would have been standard procedure for us.

Can you post the squad of your team of that series? Only Sehwag or to some extent Yuvraj were the only one in transition. Majority of them were regulars for good 3-5 years. Come next time.

Majority of posters agree Pak is rubbish that’s why I said this is India’s best time to take revenge of the hidings we use to give them before tables turn again.

 

[Kroll]

No doubt Australia is stronger overall. But now that match is likely to go ahead, hope the fans that are going get right behind the team and propel them to victory.

 

[Afhan Ali]

Australia is too good for us
Even Khawaja will play a ATG innings agaisnt us

 

[Syed1]

Pakistan is a weak team, and that is why it is ranked 6th. For Pakistan to beat a top ranked side, it not only needs to be at its best, it also has to hope that the top ranked team doesn't perform to its best capability. If both the top ranked team and the 6th ranked team play well, the top ranked team will always win because its best is better than the best of the 6th ranked team.

As far as India vs Australia is concerned, India is a better team than Australia. It doesn't have to rely on Australia under-peforming to win.

Wrong, rankings are not an indication of the current strength of a side. Infact rankings give a more long term picture of the team. On current form even number 8th ranked side can beat any side ranked higher than it if it is performing well. If ranking were an indication of who will win why doesn't the number one ranked side always win the WC?

Using rankings to downplay Pak's win is a new low even for you. I'm actually surprised, I couldn't think you could fall any lower. Congratulations for conquering new frontiers.

 

[nextover666666]

pakistan's attack is rubbish - one of the worst in the world.

Your mighty India is rubbish attack in the world the only guy that can bowl is Jasprit chucker Bumrah but he is a chucker so it doesn't count

 

[Roadie]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] in a different thread I posted how I was loving your comments, I retract my comments.

1. "there is no doubt Pakistan produced a very good performance, but again, a 6th ranked side cannot beat a top ranked side if both produce very good performances".

What is Pakistan's ranking and what is England's?
Pakistan is currently ranked 6th I believe and England is ranked 1st!

Ps, how many runs did England lose by? The 14 runs England did not make equates to a difference of 4.0229%... If you want a breakdown of the Maths, feel free to PM.

Care to make a counter-argument?!

Your argument is flawed and like the majority of the posters I believe that they will support me on this.

 

[Roadie]

The major reason why Pakistan beat England was because five key English players - Roy, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes and Archer - did not play well.

Rashid has been poor this summer, but in spite of neutralising him, we still got thumped in the ODI series. Although we played well in that series and in fact batted out of our skins, 4-5 key English players didn't collectively underperform in any individual match which is why they won every game.

How many runs/wickets did we lose in 4 of the "thumpings"?

 

[CricketIsAwesome]

Like some posters have mentioned, this is Australia's B-team and now with Stoinis being replaced by Mitch Marsh, the Aussies have been further degraded to a B- (or a C+) team so it should be cakewalk for Pakistan now

 

[Revolution]

This B team won the series in India.

 

[Afhan Ali]

Hope we win this against Australia.

Why we always struggle agaisnt Australia? They are not better than England but they will demolish us badly.
My only hope for today match is Imam and Amir.

Fakhar will be caught in slip of Cummins.

Sarfaraz, Malik, Asif are not enough against decent fast bowling and a failure is waiting for Hafeez as well because he already score in one match.

Hasan purple patch is over 1 year ago.

Babar is runs machine but he is too soft for these type of important matches ( hope he perform).

Wahab is playing with his heart but he also need to bowl some tight overs because he always gift a ball or two every over

 

[geraltofrivia]

In the last Aane Do series - I hope you remember we caught you guys pants down in your den. It would have been a whitewash had we kept our brains together in the last one day. Now you will say that Indian team was old and blah blah.

Its not PCB’s fault that India doesn’t want to play. We invite them but they refuse. This is their best time to bash Pak until tables turn again. Pak is number #1, deal with it. Or in this case we can say India’s ODI ranking doesn’t matter because they don’t play Pak and so on.

why just aane do. why not the multiple matches played before and after. pakistan has only won 5 matches against india this decade in all formats.

 

[Madplayer]

Wrong, rankings are not an indication of the current strength of a side. Infact rankings give a more long term picture of the team. On current form even number 8th ranked side can beat any side ranked higher than it if it is performing well. If ranking were an indication of who will win why doesn't the number one ranked side always win the WC?

Using rankings to downplay Pak's win is a new low even for you. I'm actually surprised, I couldn't think you could fall any lower. Congratulations for conquering new frontiers.

Every match a low rank side wins is a fluke and because the high ranked side under performed. The win against England, the CT win etc. All because others didnt play up to their potential.

 

[Mamoon]

Can you post the squad of your team of that series? Only Sehwag or to some extent Yuvraj were the only one in transition. Majority of them were regulars for good 3-5 years. Come next time.

Majority of posters agree Pak is rubbish that’s why I said this is India’s best time to take revenge of the hidings we use to give them before tables turn again.

India were opening with Sehwag and Gambhir who were both finished. After that series, they replaced them with Rohit and Dhawan who have blossomed into one of the most successful opening combos of all time.

Rohit was still batting in the middle-order, and his career was going nowhere. His career took-off only after he was promoted to open the innings in the 2013 Champions Trophy.

Bhuvneshwar Kumar was making his debut in that series and he was partnered by Dinda and Ishant Sharma. An international failure and a Test specialist. Shami made his debut in the last ODI as well.

Prior to the series, the selectors dropped Tendulkar from the ODI squad even though he had made himself available for selection.

That was by all accounts a team in transition.

 

[Mamoon]

How many runs/wickets did we lose in 4 of the "thumpings"?

I was referring to the overall result of the series. Losing a 5 match series 4-0, with one washout, is by all accounts a thumping.

We did play well in individual matches, but as I said, simply playing well is not enough. You also have to hope that the superior doesn’t perform.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] in a different thread I posted how I was loving your comments, I retract my comments.

1. "there is no doubt Pakistan produced a very good performance, but again, a 6th ranked side cannot beat a top ranked side if both produce very good performances".

What is Pakistan's ranking and what is England's?
Pakistan is currently ranked 6th I believe and England is ranked 1st!

Ps, how many runs did England lose by? The 14 runs England did not make equates to a difference of 4.0229%... If you want a breakdown of the Maths, feel free to PM.

Care to make a counter-argument?!

Your argument is flawed and like the majority of the posters I believe that they will support me on this.

What counter-argument? You have not made any point apart from calling my argument flawed.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Hyped Aus!!!

They are pretty good fellas, just because they couldn't chase 353 do not try to look down on them. They won against ENG in the warm up, got to 288 from 38/4 against WI. They play a different level of cricket in WC's.

 

[Rana]

Oh, now I got it. It seems These Bond's Elevan have Rolls royace Motor fit somewhre ensuring a mechanical precision with Robotic ease.

So it seems Roy doesnt have a weakness against wrist spinners?

So, every good or even best player or a bunch of them cant be put under the hammer by another bunch playing better all round cricket?

Has hafeez had any hold on left handers ever?

Wahab with a slingy action is extremely difficult to judge about the bounce he is gonna derive out of the surface

Lets accept the fact without any prejuidice or past notions that Pakistan team produced a superior over all performance that Bond elevan could and that means that these non Bond players without those Rolls Royace engines can certainly punch way above of what we have come to expect them

Excellently put

England could have been beaten even harder if Fakhar and Imam both kept on going after the starts they got. Why does a certain poster highlight the failures of individual English players whilst ignoring the sub par contributions of important Pakistani players?

 

[Mamoon]

Wrong, rankings are not an indication of the current strength of a side. Infact rankings give a more long term picture of the team. On current form even number 8th ranked side can beat any side ranked higher than it if it is performing well. If ranking were an indication of who will win why doesn't the number one ranked side always win the WC?

Using rankings to downplay Pak's win is a new low even for you. I'm actually surprised, I couldn't think you could fall any lower. Congratulations for conquering new frontiers.

This “current” side has been a laughing stock for two years now. We can ignore the Australian series because a few legends were taking a well-earned break from humiliating defeats, but this side were blanked 5-0 in New Zealand and demolished by India and Bangladesh in the Asia Cup.

They lost respectably in South Africa, but the same South Africa were walloped by India last year and they have also looked terrible in the World Cup.

Apart from Pakistan and Sri Lanka, it doesn’t appear that they are good enough at the moment to win a series against any opposition, including a full strength Australia who lost to them earlier this year without Smith and Warner.

So what ranking would be the true reflection of a side that lost 8 straight matches in 2018, or have lost 20 in 25? The fact is that we deserve our pathetic ranking.

Also, when was the last time we were ranked in the top two or even top three? For years, our ranking has alternated between 5th, 6th, 7th and even 8th.

Players have changed, captains have changed, coaches have changed etc., but our mediocrity has remained constant. Yet, our fans have the nerve to say that our ranking does not reflect the current strength of this team.

Come 2023 World Cup, barring 2-3 players, most of the current players will be in the team.

Here’s a challenge for them - if they think that that 6th ranking does not reflect their strength, they should prove it by going into the 2023 World Cup as a top two or top three team.

Will they? No. Why? Because they are not good enough, and that is why we hide behind nonsense like unpredictability and cornered tigers rubbish.

 

[Mamoon]

Excellently put

England could have been beaten even harder if Fakhar and Imam both kept on going after the starts they got. Why does a certain poster highlight the failures of individual English players whilst ignoring the sub par contributions of important Pakistani players?

Because the so-called important Pakistani players have contributed to Pakistan’s 6th ranking.

These so-called important players have been part of the team that has lost 20 in 25 matches.

On the contrary, the important English players have propelled England to the number 1 ranking and have helped them beat every team along the way.

We need to understand something - players like Fakhar and Imam are great for our pitiful standards, but they are average by international standards.

None of them will start in any team that is ranked above us or have a sniff in the World XI.

 

[gazza619]

A message to all posters, please keep your sarcasm to yourself. If you cannot contribute anything valuable to the thread, please don’t.

 

[Rana]

Because the so-called important Pakistani players have contributed to Pakistan’s 6th ranking.

These so-called important players have been part of the team that has lost 20 in 25 matches.

On the contrary, the important English players have propelled England to the number 1 ranking and have helped them beat every team along the way.

We need to understand something - players like Fakhar and Imam are great for our pitiful standards, but they are average by international standards.

None of them will start in any team that is ranked above us or have a sniff in the World XI.

Do you argue just for arguments sake?

Morgan was a part of the English ODI side that was a joke even with Kevin Pietersen and Graeme Swann available to them. Now Morgan is an elite captain of an elite powerhouse team. There is nothing this side can do to make you think that they deserve victory on the day?

 

[Rana]

Without engaging into a justification of what’s what, I would like to emphasise that after a very long time, Australia will be facing Pakistan in a high pressure encounter in conditions they are certainly not used to when facing them. I’m expecting an 80% Pakistan crowed today

 

[Mamoon]

Do you argue just for arguments sake?

Morgan was a part of the English ODI side that was a joke even with Kevin Pietersen and Graeme Swann available to them. Now Morgan is an elite captain of an elite powerhouse team. There is nothing this side can do to make you think that they deserve victory on the day?

Around 2015 to 2017, Morgan was considered a weak-link in the resurgent English team, and many thought that he was getting selected only for his captaincy.

However, in the last two years, he has taken his game up a notch without relying on minnow-bashing. In fact, his worst performances have come against the likes of Ireland and Scotland.

If Pakistani players can consistently raise their game against the major sides, it will reflect in their ranking.

I am done with Pakistan’s mediocrity and I can no longer support it. I am tired of Pakistan getting ranked 5th, 6th and 7th. I no longer care for deserving victories on “our day”.

I want the supporters of England, India, Australia etc. to think that they can beat Pakistan on their day, rather than consider losing to Pakistan as an off-day.

Come 2023 World Cup, apart from Hafeez, Malik and perhaps Sarfraz, the core of the team that has been playing together for the last 2 years will be part of the 2023 World Cup squad.

If they don’t deserve the 6th ranking, then this core of players should prove it in the next four years.

Can they go to the 2023 World Cup as one of the top ranked teams and as one of the favorites rather than an underdog? Do you have enough faith in them to have a bet?

Because I can tell you with complete confidence that Pakistan will not be in the top three by 2023 either.

 

[Rana]

Around 2015 to 2017, Morgan was considered a weak-link in the resurgent English team, and many thought that he was getting selected only for his captaincy.

However, in the last two years, he has taken his game up a notch without relying on minnow-bashing. In fact, his worst performances have come against the likes of Ireland and Scotland.

If Pakistani players can consistently raise their game against the major sides, it will reflect in their ranking.

I am done with Pakistan’s mediocrity and I can no longer support it. I am tired of Pakistan getting ranked 5th, 6th and 7th. I no longer care for deserving victories on “our day”.

I want the supporters of England, India, Australia etc. to think that they can beat Pakistan on their day, rather than consider losing to Pakistan as an off-day.

Come 2023 World Cup, apart from Hafeez, Malik and perhaps Sarfraz, the core of the team that has been playing together for the last 2 years will be part of the 2023 World Cup squad.

If they don’t deserve the 6th ranking, then this core of players should prove it in the next four years.

Can they go to the 2023 World Cup as one of the top ranked teams and as one of the favorites rather than an underdog? Do you have enough faith in them to have a bet?

Because I can tell you with complete confidence that Pakistan will not be in the top three by 2023 either.

Pakistan could have beaten England in 2-3 of those 5 ODI's recently had they just used their brains a bit. We dont play India in bilaterals, but when we did it was never always a one sided result. Pakistan's recent failures against India is mainly due to the long gap and rarity of the chance to face one another. India thrive on it as they do not feel the pressure the way our players do and credit to them for this.

As for Australia and New Zealand, this I believe is indeed dissapointing as these teams should be beaten more often considerin Australia is no longer the powerhouse it once was.

 

[saeedhk]

Pakistan will take a massive thrashing today. And, the match has already been lost because we are batting second.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I would have agreed we are better than number 6 ranking but our results in last 02 years show that it is well earned.

However, the World Cup is a World Cup.

Rankings can go to cleaners here and even West Indies have a chance to end up the winners even though ranked 8th.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan could have beaten England in 2-3 of those 5 ODI's recently had they just used their brains a bit. We dont play India in bilaterals, but when we did it was never always a one sided result. Pakistan's recent failures against India is mainly due to the long gap and rarity of the chance to face one another. India thrive on it as they do not feel the pressure the way our players do and credit to them for this.

As for Australia and New Zealand, this I believe is indeed dissapointing as these teams should be beaten more often considerin Australia is no longer the powerhouse it once was.

Could have, should have, but we didn’t. Cricket is a game of fine margins and key moments, and the stronger team tends to win the key moments more often.

The reason why bilateral series between Pakistan and India haven’t been one sided affairs is because there has been only one series in the 2010s, and it came at the worst possible time for India.

In the mid 2000s, Pakistan and India were quite close. In fact, Pakistan was ranked 2nd in 2006, but it has all been downhill from 2007 onwards when Dhoni took over as captain.

Our record against the top sides in the last 12-13 years is awful to say the least. We have lost about 80% of our bilateral series against the top sides, and we are quite lucky that India don’t care about playing us in bilaterals.

It is not about the rarity of playing India or feeling pressure; it is about the significant gap in the skill level of the players.

There are about 7-8 (if not more) Indian players who would walk into our lineup, and that is reflected in the respective rankings of the two sides.

 

[Captain]

Pakistan will have no where to hide Shaheen Shah today... Got carried away by the pitch... Big miss that...

 

[giri26]

Don't think Pakistan ever had the edge over Australia but again they have done well in the world cupa against them. This is a poor start with the ball though.

 

[Afzal_K]

Why are we so India obsessed, its like our life rotates around what they do, ***** koi Izzat hain ki nahin idhar warner bhai tika raha hain, bring on spinner. Chase wala game mecwaise hi tension

 

[Hasan123]

Australia over hyped LOL?

The only over hyped team on this forum is our own. Our fans mouths are too big for a team who has been average for years.

 

[Hello_Guru]

Looks like the "Hyped" Aussies are doing just about OK.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

The only edge we will have against Australia is when our batsmen edge it to the slips

 

[Gabbar Singh]

This was such a chasable target for Pakistan - and although it isn't over yet - they'll be kicking themselves when/if they lose. So many of the wickets were just thrown away today.

 

[geraltofrivia]

aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi

 

[MMHS]

To be honest, AUS didn't win this game, rather PAK tried their best to hand it over to Aussies and been quite successful in that. Some of the PAK posters really force others/neutrals here to go against the rubbish analysis & hype posted here, but ignoring those, today Aussies were extremely lucky to catch a vulgar PAK side. Apart from Amir, not a single player should return hotel with head high. The way Fakhar, Babar, Imam, Hafeez got out ... then the way Sarfraz batted with tail - shameful. This is after one of the worst displays of fielding in many years

PAK definitely had the edge after 75th over mark, for Amir/Wahab/Shaeen's last spells which cost AUS at least 25, but the batting performance shambolic - apart from Imam, Babar, MoHa, Malik, Sarfraz are quite experienced now and Fakhar, Asif is no spring chicken either - almost 10 years of domestic experience demands better execution.

One thing I am certain - this is one of the weakest AUS side in WC, probably the weakest along with 1983 squad, and still they beat PAK quite comfortably.

 

[Itachi]

To be honest, AUS didn't win this game, rather PAK tried their best to hand it over to Aussies and been quite successful in that. Some of the PAK posters really force others/neutrals here to go against the rubbish analysis & hype posted here, but ignoring those, today Aussies were extremely lucky to catch a vulgar PAK side. Apart from Amir, not a single player should return hotel with head high. The way Fakhar, Babar, Imam, Hafeez got out ... then the way Sarfraz batted with tail - shameful. This is after one of the worst displays of fielding in many years

PAK definitely had the edge after 75th over mark, for Amir/Wahab/Shaeen's last spells which cost AUS at least 25, but the batting performance shambolic - apart from Imam, Babar, MoHa, Malik, Sarfraz are quite experienced now and Fakhar, Asif is no spring chicken either - almost 10 years of domestic experience demands better execution.

One thing I am certain - this is one of the weakest AUS side in WC, probably the weakest along with 1983 squad, and still they beat PAK quite comfortably.

Mistakes is what makes a team loose. If every team was equally perfect, there wouldn't have any other result except draws.

If we look from above logic, then no team has won in history of sports rather, the opposition gifted them.

 

[MMHS]

Mistakes is what makes a team loose. If every team was equally perfect, there wouldn't have any other result except draws.

If we look from above logic, then no team has won in history of sports rather, the opposition gifted them.

No, there is a difference. ENG beat Bangladesh simply by playing much better cricket and to BD's best effort,still that game was lost. NZ beat BD because of couple of blunders by Mushi - today's game was close enough for PAK to win by doing some basics better .... like catching dollies or not lobbing full toss to mid wickets throat, when game was in perfect balance ...

 

[Itachi]

No, there is a difference. ENG beat Bangladesh simply by playing much better cricket and to BD's best effort,still that game was lost. NZ beat BD because of couple of blunders by Mushi - today's game was close enough for PAK to win by doing some basics better .... like catching dollies or not lobbing full toss to mid wickets throat, when game was in perfect balance ...

Let's say, BD gifted the game to NZ rather than NZ winning it. Are we on the same page here?