Pakistan has won almost a quarter of ICC events in the past decade

[GLORY OF '92]

Not a bad accomplishment considering we've had our weakest LO teams in the past 15 years I think.

2 out of 9 with at least 2 others where we could have won with a bit more luck.

2009 T20 - Won

2010 T20

2011 WC

2012 T20

2013 CT

2014 T20

2015 WC

2016 T20

2017 CT - Won

 

[Itachi]

I don't think that's an achievement though....

 

[Syed1]

I don't think that's an achievement though....

We have fared alot better than much more established teams such as SA, NZ and ENG.

 

[Aman]

We have fared alot better than much more established teams such as SA, NZ and ENG.

Yeah, you've done really well with one of your weakest generations.

 

[hadi123]

2009 - Pak won
2010 - England won
2011 - India won
2012 - WI won
2013 - India won
2014 - Sri Lanka won
2015 - Australia won
2016 - WI won
2017 - Pak won

So yes, Pakistan, West Indies and India have won 2 each in the last decade.


England, Australia and Sri Lanka 1.

Nothing for New Zealand or South Africa.

Although I don't think for Pakistan this stat proves much. 2013 CT we were absolutely awful in. We also were dreadful in WT20 2016

 

[ManFan]

Could have easily won 07' WC, 10' WC and 11' WC had it not been for chokes.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Could have easily won 07' WC, 10' WC and 11' WC had it not been for chokes.

2012 was pretty damn close too

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Yeah, you've done really well with one of your weakest generations.

Our best generation never got a chance to play more than 2 ICC events since there were no CT,WT20 back in 1980s and 1990s

 

[BlueDoritos]

Yeah, you've done really well with one of your weakest generations.

We have done well with one of our weakest generations. Alas, you have not won a single trophy with your strongest generation.

 

[ManFan]

2012 was pretty damn close too

Oh yeah. Forgot about that one. We made 4 consecutive SF's in T20's. Only the last two tournaments have been bad.

 

[akki]

Could have easily won 07' WC, 10' WC and 11' WC had it not been for chokes.

We could have won many then..Lost too many finals and semi finals.

 

[Hasan123]

Should have won the 2007 world T20 as well.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Our best generation never got a chance to play more than 2 ICC events since there were no CT,WT20 back in 1980s and 1990s

ICC Knockout Tournaments were there.

 

[msb314]

2009 - Pak won
2010 - England won
2011 - India won
2012 - WI won
2013 - India won
2014 - Sri Lanka won
2015 - Australia won
2016 - WI won
2017 - Pak won

So yes, Pakistan, West Indies and India have won 2 each in the last decade.


England, Australia and Sri Lanka 1.

Nothing for New Zealand or South Africa.

Although I don't think for Pakistan this stat proves much. 2013 CT we were absolutely awful in. We also were dreadful in WT20 2016

Other than the victory over SAF - we were downright awful in the 2015 WC too.

 

[msb314]

Should have won the 2007 world T20 as well.

And the 2010 World T20.

 

[Aman]

We have done well with one of our weakest generations. Alas, you have not won a single trophy with your strongest generation.

I know lol.

The media here are calling the current team our "greatest ever" )

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Pakistan is not too bad in Tournaments. They gave great records in Champions Trophy and T20 World Cup

 

[babajee]

I know lol.

The media here are calling the current team our "greatest ever" )

The way your commentators talk about Kane as though he’s some kind of Bradman reincarnated is hilarious

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Goes to show this team's ability in pressure situations. Good achievement by a nation that has faced countless problems in it's cricket team such as match-fixing, inability to play at home etc.

 

[msb314]

Not a bad accomplishment considering we've had our weakest LO teams in the past 15 years I think.

2 out of 9 with at least 2 others where we could have won with a bit more luck.

2009 T20 - Won

2010 T20

2011 WC

2012 T20

2013 CT

2014 T20

2015 WC

2016 T20

2017 CT - Won

So have India, Australia and WI

 

[ads101]

It's kind of embarrassing that our weaker Pakistan teams have done as well, if not better than our stronger old teams.

Our talented bunch of the par consistently underperformed. While over the last decade, we've usually made at least where we were predicted to qualify/go, plus often outperforming that.

Kind of goes to show it's probably more important getting the best out of your team rather than having lots of talent and not. Which is why particularly in the LOI format fitness and fielding is important, it gives your team that killer edge and discipline which helps take less talented teams to the latter stages.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Would've won 2010 T20 WC as well if we had the Guldozer

 

[giri26]

Good achievement by Pakistan considering the issues they faced during this decade.

 

[JattMaula]

Congregations!

So this decade's quota is complete right? 90's was WC, 00's was T20WC and 10's is CT.

 

[Aman]

The way your commentators talk about Kane as though he’s some kind of Bradman reincarnated is hilarious

It's embarrassing because NZ's greatest isn't even top 3 in the world. He's a distant third and well behind plenty in ODIs and T20s.

I don't rate Kane that highly either because he's shown time and time again that it isn't an issue with carrying the team. It's just that he's simply not as good as our experts make him out to be. He's actually rather limited.

 

[Sidilicious]

In the last 5 years, Pakistan have either won the tourney or have been downright awful. They won the 2017 CT, but were awful in 2016 T20, 2015 WC, 2014 T20 and 2013 CT.

Need to get more consistent, if they want to be one of the top teams. Like they were between 2007 T20 and 2012 T20.

 

[CricketCartoons]

That's one way of looking at it.

In my opinion, Australia's 1 WC win is worth more than 2 T20 WCs by Windies.

 

[big_gamer007]

Should have won the 2007 world T20 as well.

Why do you say that? Any team can say they should have won that.

 

[Hitman]

That's one way of looking at it.

In my opinion, Australia's 1 WC win is worth more than 2 T20 WCs by Windies.

1 WC win >>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 World T20 Tournament wins.

 

[big_gamer007]

There is a thread by a New Zealander about New Zealand’s lack of achievements and then this thread..
Shows the mindset and expectations difference between the two countries in relation to sports.. No wonder sub continent team can never dominate any sport..

 

[CricketCartoons]

There is a thread by a New Zealander about New Zealand’s lack of achievements and then this thread..
Shows the mindset and expectations difference between the two countries in relation to sports.. No wonder sub continent team can never dominate any sport..

Yes, because discussion threads have a bearing on how the national team performs.

 

[Convict]

2009 - Pak won
2010 - England won
2011 - India won
2012 - WI won
2013 - India won
2014 - Sri Lanka won
2015 - Australia won
2016 - WI won
2017 - Pak won

So yes, Pakistan, West Indies and India have won 2 each in the last decade.


England, Australia and Sri Lanka 1.

Nothing for New Zealand or South Africa.

Although I don't think for Pakistan this stat proves much. 2013 CT we were absolutely awful in. We also were dreadful in WT20 2016

Australia won 50% of the actually relevant tournaments.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Australia won 50% of the actually relevant tournaments.

They also won 2009 CT

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

In the last 5 years, Pakistan have either won the tourney or have been downright awful. They won the 2017 CT, but were awful in 2016 T20, 2015 WC, 2014 T20 and 2013 CT.

Need to get more consistent, if they want to be one of the top teams. Like they were between 2007 T20 and 2012 T20.

Pakistan post 2013 to 2017 were awful in tournaments while India,Australia and England(apart from 2015) were amazing

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

ICC Knockout Tournaments were there.

No they came in 1998

Our best generation played from 1983 to 1993 with the likes of IK,Wasim,Miandad,Nawaz,Abbas,A.Qadir etc. Waqar also joined in 1988.

The mid and late 90s generation was inconsistent and had no stable leader but the Indian team of that time was so poor that it made our team look like superstars.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

It's kind of embarrassing that our weaker Pakistan teams have done as well, if not better than our stronger old teams.

Our talented bunch of the par consistently underperformed. While over the last decade, we've usually made at least where we were predicted to qualify/go, plus often outperforming that.

Kind of goes to show it's probably more important getting the best out of your team rather than having lots of talent and not. Which is why particularly in the LOI format fitness and fielding is important, it gives your team that killer edge and discipline which helps take less talented teams to the latter stages.

Our best team (1983 to 1993) never got a chance to play more than 2 ICC tournaments.
They won all other tournaments like Austral Asia Cup,Sharjah Cup and Nehru Cup

In fact the team in 1992 was weaker than the one in 1987.

 

[barah_admi]

For all the negativity on here, the Pakistan team has done well across formats. Pakistan has the best t20 legacy thus far in the history of the game and produced its three best players (Ajmal, Gul and ofc Afridi). Not to mention reaching the semis of the 2011 world cup, a tournament Pak were supposed to be terrible in with a very mediocre side. On top of all that, they were never outplayed by India, it was a case of the less worse team winning lol

The last world t20 didnt go well but Pakistan have a terrific record overall in the tournament and they have just won the CT in foreign conditions with another mediocre side, and done so in the most thumping manner possible.

All of this, coupled with a very successful test run, undefeated across 14 test series, in two separate time frames (2010-12 and 2014-16), never enjoying the comforts of home, always on the road, players away from families 8 or 9 months a year, while producing THE stand out leg spinner of the decade. Not to mention being more competitive in Australia than any point in years and probably the most competitive any Asian team has been there in a long time.

Sadly, the Pakistani media and internet highlight the negatives and brush aside the positives. A lot of the success is testament to Misbah and hopefully Sarfraz can be as diplomatic, mature and professional. He will be the key in the coming years, he can either be successful or divisive like Akram, Waqar, Moin and plenty of captains throughout the 90s.

 

[Madplayer]

There is a thread by a New Zealander about New Zealand’s lack of achievements and then this thread..
Shows the mindset and expectations difference between the two countries in relation to sports.. No wonder sub continent team can never dominate any sport..

What shows the mindset? What have NZ really achieved in cricket? Zilch. Both the threads are factually correct. Stop feeling inferior to foreigners. Self loathing has become our favourite hobby.

 

[big_gamer007]

What shows the mindset? What have NZ really achieved in cricket? Zilch. Both the threads are factually correct. Stop feeling inferior to foreigners. Self loathing has become our favourite hobby.

Maybe you might feel inferior to foreigners that’s why you think it’s self loathing.. You are in no way different than anyone else from any place in the world so don’t feel that ways mate we are all the same..

My point was New Zealand could have easily accepted they are just a tiny little nation with little population and be happy with SF finishes and be content yet they are striving to win.. If you want to dominate or achieve success you should always aim for the top not medicrity you should not be content with one or two wins but forever keep on striving for success.. So we should aim to be like WI or Aus dominant sides in cricket and not be content with a win every 10 years..

Politics, corruption, lack of opportunities based on performance, lack of infrastructure etc etc are all issues that needs to be resolved and eventually mediocrity is accepted because of expectations..

Don’t think you will get my point though.

 

[Convict]

They also won 2009 CT

Shows how important the CT is that I don't even remember this at all.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Shows how important the CT is that I don't even remember this at all.

Not really just shows you have a poor memory. CT is second only to the WC.

 

[Convict]

Not really just shows you have a poor memory. CT is second only to the WC.

It's an irrelevant sideshow that gets used as a practice run for a world cup.

 

[Hasan123]

Why do you say that? Any team can say they should have won that.

6 off 3 with a set batsmen on strike, usually I would back the batting team.

 

[Madplayer]

Maybe you might feel inferior to foreigners that’s why you think it’s self loathing.. You are in no way different than anyone else from any place in the world so don’t feel that ways mate we are all the same..

My point was New Zealand could have easily accepted they are just a tiny little nation with little population and be happy with SF finishes and be content yet they are striving to win.. If you want to dominate or achieve success you should always aim for the top not medicrity you should not be content with one or two wins but forever keep on striving for success.. So we should aim to be like WI or Aus dominant sides in cricket and not be content with a win every 10 years..

Politics, corruption, lack of opportunities based on performance, lack of infrastructure etc etc are all issues that needs to be resolved and eventually mediocrity is accepted because of expectations..

Don’t think you will get my point though.

Mate, you are one of the sane posters on the forum so please dont get riled up. It affects your ability to think. Ofcourse we are all the same.

What has NZ not using their tiny population as an excuses got to do with Pakistanis acknowledging that they have won a couple of ICC events? Has the OP said that these 2 cups are some kind of proof that Pakistan is a great team who doesnt need to improve? A resounding NO. Infact the OP mentions that the last 15 years have been Pakistan's worse years in cricket in terms of quality of players.

So i dont exactly understand what the OP said which makes you think that desis have a bad attitude and that "Subcontinent teams can never dominate". This is basically self loathing which you have engaged in and this time it doesnt even make sense. The subcontinent teams have won 4 50 over world cups among them while teams like NZ, SA, England have won nothing. I am sorry if anything i said offended you, but this is just my opinion.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

It's an irrelevant sideshow that gets used as a practice run for a world cup.

Irrelevant sideshow featuring the best 8 teams of the world..

 

[big_gamer007]

6 off 3 with a set batsmen on strike, usually I would back the batting team.

But before that India had he match in hand.. We let you get to that position, we should have won by 20 runs.. That’s the point swings in T20 happens one time one team is on top other times other end of the day the team which wins is the one which deserved it and “should” “could” “would” is just an after thought.

 

[big_gamer007]

Mate, you are one of the sane posters on the forum so please dont get riled up. It affects your ability to think. Ofcourse we are all the same.

What has NZ not using their tiny population as an excuses got to do with Pakistanis acknowledging that they have won a couple of ICC events? Has the OP said that these 2 cups are some kind of proof that Pakistan is a great team who doesnt need to improve? A resounding NO. Infact the OP mentions that the last 15 years have been Pakistan's worse years in cricket in terms of quality of players.

So i dont exactly understand what the OP said which makes you think that desis have a bad attitude and that "Subcontinent teams can never dominate". This is basically self loathing which you have engaged in and this time it doesnt even make sense. The subcontinent teams have won 4 50 over world cups among them while teams like NZ, SA, England have won nothing. I am sorry if anything i said offended you, but this is just my opinion.

Apologies for the tone of my earlier post.

My point is simple and has been consistent india and Pakistan should be the top 2 cricket playing nations and should always strive to be that.. Anything less than achieving that we should not be content with.. I am not saying we should not celebrate our victories what I am saying is we should always aim to be the best only then will we work hard enough to achieve that.. Maybe I kis understood the OP where it seemed it was being content with winning 1 WC every 10years which is why I posted what I did..

We have plenty of non cricketing issues affecting us to achieve it but if our expectations is to be the best then ultimately we will overcome those obsatacles..

 

[jaf348]

Not to downplay Pakistan's 2 wins but it would be somewhat naive to assume that a second tier ICC tournament and the world cup of mickey mouse cricket would hold the same value and prestige as the ODI world cup.

 

[barah_admi]

Not to downplay Pakistan's 2 wins but it would be somewhat naive to assume that a second tier ICC tournament and the world cup of mickey mouse cricket would hold the same value and prestige as the ODI world cup.

Who has said that they hold the same value? The point here is that Pakistan have won 2 ICC tournaments in 10 years, appeared in 3 finals, I think 3 semis and also won an Asia cup (I'm adding that last bit).

 

[Convict]

Irrelevant sideshow featuring the best 8 teams of the world..

The English FA Cup features the best 8 teams in England...

 

[jaf348]

Who has said that they hold the same value? The point here is that Pakistan have won 2 ICC tournaments in 10 years, appeared in 3 finals, I think 3 semis and also won an Asia cup (I'm adding that last bit).

If you have a problem with that, go complain somewhere else.

Who said I was complaining? I was just pointing out the obvious.

 

[jaf348]

Irrelevant sideshow featuring the best 8 teams of the world..

The key word here is "sideshow".

 

[jaf348]

The English FA Cup features the best 8 teams in England...

The Carabao Cup features the best 8 teams as well!

 

[Itachi]

Not really just shows you have a poor memory. CT is second only to the WC.

I agree with convict. I can't remember which ICC cup india won when except the world cup.

ODI World cup has a different glamor and none of the other ones come close (not even T20 world cup)

 

[Kroll]

I agree with convict. I can't remember which ICC cup india won when except the world cup.

ODI World cup has a different glamor and none of the other ones come close (not even T20 world cup)

I can actually remember India winning the 13' CT as that was fairly recent and the abysmal showing of Pakistan in that tournament. No surprises though, since we had superstars such as Imran Farhat and Kami leading the batting.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

I agree with convict. I can't remember which ICC cup india won when except the world cup.

ODI World cup has a different glamor and none of the other ones come close (not even T20 world cup)

Well not from the way the players and fans celebrated. I doubt Kohli has forgotten.

 

[Hasan123]

But before that India had he match in hand.. We let you get to that position, we should have won by 20 runs.. That’s the point swings in T20 happens one time one team is on top other times other end of the day the team which wins is the one which deserved it and “should” “could” “would” is just an after thought.

I didn't say India didn't deserve to win. In my opinion we should have won from that position.

 

[big_gamer007]

I didn't say India didn't deserve to win. In my opinion we should have won from that position.

Yes you should have but India should have never allowed you to reach to that position.. That’s the beauty of sports..