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From a mere cricketing point of view the cancellation of the tour is very disappointing. Pakistan could have tried out new strategies etc without Misbah and Younis, so this was not good for Pakistan. Most of the Kiwi players will play in IPL so they will be ready for the WC.
 
We start a tournament where Apple & Banana are opening the batting and by the Final it is actually Strawberry & Grapes who turn out to be the perfect combo.

Its all very random to be honest.

I dont care about practice, its the Pakistan fans who are the biggest losers here, not the players.
 
This tour could have helped Pakistan in terms or preparation due to the fact that they only got to play 1 game vs winides, Pakistan still have not had the perfect combination for their T20 line up, at the same time maybe if fakhar or someone else got to perform maybe they could have made the final sqaud since deadline to make changes is by the 10th of October. With England must like pulling up it could even be that Pak does not even a play play game before the world t20 starts
 
Much needed match practise? No.

Pakistan defied all odds despite no cricket at home since 2009. The achievements including #1 Test ranking, whitewashing England 3-0 in UAE, and humiliating India in CT17 finals is proof of this.

It’s the reverse, other teams need practise against Pakistan.
 
Who cares about WT20 and it's preparation right now. Pakistan is pushed back to 10 years because of a hoax threat.

Worrying signs for Pakistan in coming years.
 
The issue is much bigger than losing out on some match practice. NZ abandoning the tour last minute will cause major damage to Pakistan cricket's future.
 
screw the wc, this is pretty much curtains for ic at home ground... and with it, it will further choke the talent stream...
 
Direct response to the thread, yes we are missing out on some much needed practise.

Our next game is most likely going to be out T20 world cup encounter with India.

Pakistan is royally screwed.
 
3 options:
1. Invite any other country ready to play. Could be Zim. Bangladesh. Srl Saf. Etc.
2. Arrange a world Xi vs paskitan series. Several players are ready to come to pakostan , guptil, steyn. Hales. Etc. Lots of players who couldn't make it to ipl or national team squad can be available. All the psl foreign players. Etc. We can play 3 or 5 match t20 series against them. Will also send strong signal to others that things are safe.
3. Last resort Babar Xi vs shadab Xi. 3 match televised series with crowd. Or even spicier would be Babar Xi vs sarfraz Xi ( make a squad out of all the non selected players incl reserves fakhar sharjeel wahab Dhani amir etc.)
 
Can the PCB find a replacement for New Zealand and England to come to Pakistan?

The PCB should work proactively towards this. Perhaps reach out to Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, West Indies, South Africa e.t.c.? These teams will also want much needed match practice
 
The PCB should work proactively towards this. Perhaps reach out to Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, West Indies, South Africa e.t.c.? These teams will also want much needed match practice

West Indies is a good shout; our series was postponed and conditions are similar.

Zimbabwe are playing a series right now, so it seems unlikely.

Sri Lanka is a good shout along with Afghanistan as well. Bangladesh as well.
 
I reckon we could get Bangladesh in. We’re touring them after the WT20, so maybe they can help us out and show the ROW how safe Pakistan really is.

Definitely don’t want Zimbabwe coming, Imam ul Haq will end up averaging 100 in ODI’s and our fans will start comparing him to Bradman.
 
The PCB should work proactively towards this. Perhaps reach out to Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, West Indies, South Africa e.t.c.? These teams will also want much needed match practice
Are you living in cookooland? Who would want to come now?
 
Hopefully, this will motivate the players big-time: Win the T20 world cup and show the world
 
Why should a special treatment be given to NZ when so many other teams have successfully toured?

I believe the response to this be "ground reality has changed compared to when other teams visited". I don't agree with this view ofcourse.
 
Pakistan should play a series against Netherlands, Scotland or Namibia before T20 WC

We are already suffering lack of match practice. This is the second series which has been cancelled and even in WI series we had only one match played fully so it won’t be the worst idea to play against one of these teams as they are going to be in T20 WC as well and at least one of them would make it to the second round and it would provide good match practice for the players and can try fringe players as well.

Play the series in Oman.
 
I believe the response to this be "ground reality has changed compared to when other teams visited". I don't agree with this view ofcourse.

Nothing solid to put forward that argument of ground realities other than development in the neighbouring country. However, ground realities factually changed for muslims in NZ (Atleast for sometime) after that unfortunate attack in NZ which BD players luckily just survived however Pak still toured afterwards.
 
The PCB should work proactively towards this. Perhaps reach out to Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, West Indies, South Africa e.t.c.? These teams will also want much needed match practice

South Africa will never visit if NZ doesn't. They are very much like other western countries.
 
South Africa will never visit if NZ doesn't. They are very much like other western countries.

I don’t think so. SA was still touring Pak untill 2007 while Aus and NZ stopped touring after 2001-2002.
 
I don’t think so. SA was still touring Pak untill 2007 while Aus and NZ stopped touring after 2001-2002.

This was before the 2009 incident. Pakistan is now seen as unstable as Syria or Afghanistan in the west. We'll see what happens but these are ominous signs
 
This was before the 2009 incident. Pakistan is now seen as unstable as Syria or Afghanistan in the west. We'll see what happens but these are ominous signs

I doubt NZ would have even entered Syria or Afghanistan to play cricket so dont think the image is similar.

However, will have to see how things develop.
 
He mean to say that after this pull out even SA wont tour PAK anytime soon.
Based on a security threat no one besides the NZ’ers know anything about?

Would like to see the world stand up for Pakistan if we decide to not tour NZ anymore, because incidents like Christchurch massacre could happen any time. It’s a reality and a completely justifiable stance that can be taken.
 
This was before the 2009 incident. Pakistan is now seen as unstable as Syria or Afghanistan in the west. We'll see what happens but these are ominous signs

Pakistan is not considered safe, but it will be a stretch to say that Pakistan is seen as unstable as Syria or Afghanistan.

I don't think this one cancellation is the same as going back to square. But it is surely taking a few steps back when it comes to having tours to Pakistan. Pakistani cricket fan's frustration is totally understandable.
 
Pakistan is not considered safe, but it will be a stretch to say that Pakistan is seen as unstable as Syria or Afghanistan.

I don't think this one cancellation is the same as going back to square. But it is surely taking a few steps back when it comes to having tours to Pakistan. Pakistani cricket fan's frustration is totally understandable.
It's astonishing how little Pakistani's take these threats and how we're being the made the villain's for our government wanting to protect our players. If this is how little they care about our players safety, I hope we do not tour Pakistan until it is entirely safe and there is no need for presidential security. This whole ordeal and reaction from the PCB, players and fans has soured the relationship with Pakistan. No problems if they cut ties with us if they're going to behave like this and treat our players and board with such little respect.

To act as if nothing has changed would be choosing to keep your head in the sand. We all know what's happening in Afghanistan and the fact is NZ sent soldiers over to Afghanistan. There is a chance that there could be a threat to the NZ team and we should wait before things to become clear over the next few days rather than vilifying NZders for putting safety first.
 
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It's astonishing how little Pakistani's take these threats and how we're being the made the villain's for our government wanting to protect our players. If this is how little they care about our players safety, I hope we do not tour Pakistan until it is entirely safe and there is no need for presidential security. This whole ordeal and reaction from the PCB, players and fans has soured the relationship with Pakistan. No problems if they cut ties with us if they're going to behave like this and treat our players and board with such little respect.

To act as if nothing has changed would be choosing to keep your head in the sand. We all know what's happening in Afghanistan and the fact is NZ sent soldiers over to Afghanistan. There is a chance that there could be a threat to the NZ team and we should wait before things to become clear over the next few days rather than vilifying NZders for putting safety first.

? seriously? You think NZ is the victim here?

Do you know, just to accommodate your team, poor people that live on murree road who used to take a rs.20 bus to work had to take Rs.350+ taxi to work. Because we had shut down the bus network so that whenever your nz team could come to the ground to train, they felt safe and weren't any security threat.

All of our players pulled out to join.

We had hotel staff that lived inside the hotel and coudlnt go home so that they could cater to your team and not get them affected.

We not only had SSGs going with the team, but we even had 3 firefighters going just in case. We were putting every resource that might be needed somewhere else to keep your team safe.

ANd you have the gall here to come and say that they care little about our safety?

My friend was in the market today on murree road near the stadium. If the threats were real and had not been shared, my friend could had died in an attack.
The threats were not even shared with the Pakistani intelligence not even its source. We had civilians at more risk than your stupid team that had protection. Our civilians had no protection. ANd yet you come here and say that we care little about your safety?
 
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? seriously? You think NZ is the victim here?

Do you know, just to accommodate your team, poor people that live on murree road who used to take a rs.20 bus to work had to take Rs.350+ taxi to work. Because we had shut down the bus network so that whenever your nz team could come to the ground to train, they felt safe and weren't any security threat.

All of our players pulled out to join.

We had hotel staff that lived inside the hotel and coudlnt go home so that they could cater to your team and not get them affected.

We not only had SSGs going with the team, but we even had 3 firefighters going just in case. We were putting every resource that might be needed somewhere else to keep your team safe.

ANd you have the gall here to come and say that they care little about our safety?

My friend was in the market today on murree road near the stadium. If the threats were real and had not been shared, my friend could had died in an attack.
The threats were not even shared with the Pakistani intelligence not even its source. We had civilians at more risk than your stupid team that had protection. Our civilians had no protection. ANd yet you come here and say that we care little about your safety?

Sorry, it's Pakistani fans who wont get to watch cricket in Pakistan.

It cant be the NZ players and staff whose lives were apparently at risk once stepping out of their hotel.

It's all good and dandy for our players to play with their lives just so cricket can return to Pakistan.

Get a grip. Pakistan are not the victims here, far from it. I can only imagine how they and their families are feeling, hopefully the players are back home soon and we can find out what went on because I sure as hell trust our government and intelligence more than I do Pakistan's.
 
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I really wonder what [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] was expecting from the fans. THat after we spend so much money on their team and they pull out he seriously thought that fans would stay quiet?

If god forbid an attack happened, we would had lost security personals rather than anything happening to the team bus. Islamabad roads are made empty when the team moves and those roads dont have hidden spots.

I would like for [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] to present any kind of hypocritical sitaution here
 
It's astonishing how little Pakistani's take these threats and how we're being the made the villain's for our government wanting to protect our players. If this is how little they care about our players safety, I hope we do not tour Pakistan until it is entirely safe and there is no need for presidential security. This whole ordeal and reaction from the PCB, players and fans has soured the relationship with Pakistan. No problems if they cut ties with us if they're going to behave like this and treat our players and board with such little respect.

To act as if nothing has changed would be choosing to keep your head in the sand. We all know what's happening in Afghanistan and the fact is NZ sent soldiers over to Afghanistan. There is a chance that there could be a threat to the NZ team and we should wait before things to become clear over the next few days rather than vilifying NZders for putting safety first.
What a load of rubbish. How little they cared about your players safety they were given 4000 security personals. Roads blocked, no network etc Are you even serious?
 
What a load of rubbish. How little they cared about your players safety they were given 4000 security personals. Roads blocked, no network etc Are you even serious?
Their response to the pull out shows how little they care. Cricket is more important to them than threats to our players lives.

NZ has absolutely nothing to gain from making this up, politically we are irrelevant nor do we make these moves for political clout. NZ is fine in their own world.
 
Sorry, it's Pakistani fans who wont get to watch cricket in Pakistan.

It cant be the NZ players and staff whose lives were apparently at risk once stepping out of their hotel.

It's all good and dandy for our players to play with their lives just so cricket can return to Pakistan.

Get a grip. Pakistan are not the victims here, far from it. I can only imagine how they and their families are feeling, hopefully the players are back home soon and we can find out what went on because I sure as hell trust our government and intelligence more than I do Pakistan's.

again, you really think Pakistan would lapse its security? Dont you think we have learned a hard lesson from the 2009 event?

Do you even know where Serena is? When the team steps out of Serena Hotel, you wont find any traffic on the road as the roads are blocked all the way back.

If there were threats they should had been shared so that civilians could had been saved IF THERE WERE ANY THREATS.
 
I really wonder what [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] was expecting from the fans. THat after we spend so much money on their team and they pull out he seriously thought that fans would stay quiet?

If god forbid an attack happened, we would had lost security personals rather than anything happening to the team bus. Islamabad roads are made empty when the team moves and those roads dont have hidden spots.

I would like for [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] to present any kind of hypocritical sitaution here

Exactly. They security personals would have lost their lives God forbid any attach happened. They wouldn’t have got anywhere near their team.
 
Their response to the pull out shows how little they care.

Cricket is more important to them than threats.

NZ has nothing to gain from making this up.

? again what are you even talking about?

If there was a threat why hasnt it been shared with our intelligence? Our man are at risk to protect your guys.

What makes you not think taht maybe those threats were a hoax?
 
Exactly. They security personals would have lost their lives God forbid any attach happened. They wouldn’t have got anywhere near their team.
If this information is from the 5 eyes, they cannot disclose this information. Again, what does NZ gain from making this up? Absolutely nothing, Pakistani's need to accept their was likely some security threats to the safety of our players hence the government was involved and our players have been called back home.
 
Their response to the pull out shows how little they care. Cricket is more important to them than threats to our players lives.

NZ has absolutely nothing to gain from making this up, politically we are irrelevant nor do we make these moves for political clout. NZ is fine in their own world.

What more security do they need. Presidents don’t get security like this. What are you expecting. With your logic and their logic as they can’t leave the hotel let’s land a plane there and take them. As off course they feel threatened if they step outside.
 
If this information is from the 5 eyes, they cannot disclose this information. Again, what does NZ gain from making this up? Absolutely nothing, Pakistani's need to accept their was likely some security threats to the safety of our players hence the government was involved and our players have been called back home.

Why would we accept that there was a security threat when we don’t even know about it?
 
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So according to the logic here they can’t disclose any information and are ok if anything happens to the people protecting them. What a pathetic bunch. Get them out to NZ ASAP.
 
If this information is from the 5 eyes, they cannot disclose this information. Again, what does NZ gain from making this up? Absolutely nothing, Pakistani's need to accept their was likely some security threats to the safety of our players hence the government was involved and our players have been called back home.

No one is saying NZ did it on purpose. Everyone is in agreement they got threats.

Point is, what was the level of threat, what was the source.

ISI is the active body in Pakistan. It has got more informats, not 5 eyes.

You really think ISI is that bad? You think we would compromise on the security?

Point is, the information could had been checked to see whether it was a hoax or relevent.
 
It's astonishing how little Pakistani's take these threats and how we're being the made the villain's for our government wanting to protect our players. If this is how little they care about our players safety, I hope we do not tour Pakistan until it is entirely safe and there is no need for presidential security. This whole ordeal and reaction from the PCB, players and fans has soured the relationship with Pakistan. No problems if they cut ties with us if they're going to behave like this and treat our players and board with such little respect.

To act as if nothing has changed would be choosing to keep your head in the sand. We all know what's happening in Afghanistan and the fact is NZ sent soldiers over to Afghanistan. There is a chance that there could be a threat to the NZ team and we should wait before things to become clear over the next few days rather than vilifying NZders for putting safety first.

There are always two sides to the story. I won't blame NZ government to cancel the tour if they felt that players were at risk of getting attacked. Tank, 4K security, etc won't be enough to keep the tour going on if the government got some credible threat. Tank, 4K security etc may have been enough to convince the team to come, but no team is going to stay in Pakistan if they get a credible threat.

Now there is another side of the story here which you may not realize. Cricket fans in Pakistan have endured 10-15 years of not seeing many international teams. The ground situation was worse back then and based on what I read in PP, the situation has improved a lot. Now, the situation is surely not as safe as many other countries, but definitely much better. Pakistan has taken many steps to get small tours, getting Zim, BD etc. NZ pulling out creates big reputational damage for Pakistan when it comes to getting cricket back and assuring other teams about security. Sure, it is not really NZ government concern, but Pakistan fans will surely be frustrated with the situation after making so much progress and now the situation has taken many steps back.
 
There are always two sides to the story. I won't blame NZ government to cancel the tour if they felt that players were at risk of getting attacked. Tank, 4K security, etc won't be enough to keep the tour going on if the government got some credible threat. Tank, 4K security etc may have been enough to convince the team to come, but no team is going to stay in Pakistan if they get a credible threat.

Now there is another side of the story here which you may not realize. Cricket fans in Pakistan have endured 10-15 years of not seeing many international teams. The ground situation was worse back then and based on what I read in PP, the situation has improved a lot. Now, the situation is surely not as safe as many other countries, but definitely much better. Pakistan has taken many steps to get small tours, getting Zim, BD etc. NZ pulling out creates big reputational damage for Pakistan when it comes to getting cricket back and assuring other teams about security. Sure, it is not really NZ government concern, but Pakistan fans will surely be frustrated with the situation after making so much progress and now the situation has taken many steps back.
What people seem to be ignoring is what is happening over in Afghanistan.. It may have been safe before but the situation has definitely changed the last month.
 
What people seem to be ignoring is what is happening over in Afghanistan.. It may have been safe before but the situation has definitely changed the last month.

I don't think that non-Pakistani fans are ignoring it. Taliban has the full support of Pakistan so it is not surprising to see many Pakistani fans not realizing how perceptions will be different after Taliban takeover.

Having said that, I don't think it's just about that. Taliban issue was known 5 days ago as well. Now the same threat may be seen differently and that's possible, but lets wait to hear more details.
 
Pakistan should not waste these next few weeks - Think outside the box!

Pakistan should not waste these next few weeks, moping in their rooms crying at NZ's C Team pulling out of the series, and make use of the resources available to them that will be wasted.

They should do the following:

1) Create two teams with the strongest T20 players in the country. Name them for e.g Pakistan Lions & Pakistan Warriors. Plaster the kits with a ridiculous number of sponsors so the players look like billboards.

2) Play T20 matches with the two teams on the already scheduled times at Pindi Stadium. Broadcast the matches as planned, in order to recover some of the lost revenue. TV channels who have bought the rights have empty slots on their broadcast schedule that need filling in - most will still broadcast the games.

3) Free entry to all the matches. Use Catch a Crore or even Catch a Plot in Bahria/DHA to get bums on seats. Gate receipts in the subcontinent are negligible in the grand scheme of things. TV viewership is where the money is made.

4) News channels will be running the story of NZ pulling out and the India conspiracy for weeks to come, and this mini intra tournament will indirectly receive free advertising and traction, the same way the Kashmir Premier League did.

What do Pakistan have to lose by taking this approach?
 
The PCB aren't nimble enough to do this.
 
I don't think that non-Pakistani fans are ignoring it. Taliban has the full support of Pakistan so it is not surprising to see many Pakistani fans not realizing how perceptions will be different after Taliban takeover.

Having said that, I don't think it's just about that. Taliban issue was known 5 days ago as well. Now the same threat may be seen differently and that's possible, but lets wait to hear more details.

There's a difference between perceptions in the country and those sitting outside. A lot of people within Pakistan are angry and disappointed that the nature of the threat wasn't divulged to the government, however, there is also acceptance that the word of the government/intelligence can't be fully trusted given its shoddy past track record. The idea that the whole country supports the government's stance on the Taliban is utter rubbish.
 
There's a difference between perceptions in the country and those sitting outside. A lot of people within Pakistan are angry and disappointed that the nature of the threat wasn't divulged to the government, however, there is also acceptance that the word of the government/intelligence can't be fully trusted given its shoddy past track record. The idea that the whole country supports the government's stance on the Taliban is utter rubbish.
Pakistani's don't realize how much having you know who hiding in Pakistan under Pakistani intelligence's noses for years has affected their image to the rest of the world. They either knew it and aided him or were ignorant of it. Either way both are terrible for Pakistan and is probably a reason why Kiwis do not trust Pakistani intel.
 
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Pakistan is suppose to tour BD later this year. They can ahead that tour and schedule it now rather since both teams have no international matches. It will give much needed practice for both teams.

Also, can anyone confirm if there are warm up matches this time for T20 WC? Normally all ICC events have warm up games.
 
Pakistan is suppose to tour BD later this year. They can ahead that tour and schedule it now rather since both teams have no international matches. It will give much needed practice for both teams.

Also, can anyone confirm if there are warm up matches this time for T20 WC? Normally all ICC events have warm up games.

Yes, 2 warmups for every team.
 
Surely missing out on game time, esp considering Asif Ali, Azam Khan and Khushdil are inexperienced and would have liked to have a hit.

It is not the worst of things either. Pakistan players will be relatively fresh, ICC will schedule atleast 2 practise games before the WC, PCB can probably request for an additional practise game as well.
 
It's astonishing how little Pakistani's take these threats and how we're being the made the villain's for our government wanting to protect our players. If this is how little they care about our players safety, I hope we do not tour Pakistan until it is entirely safe and there is no need for presidential security. This whole ordeal and reaction from the PCB, players and fans has soured the relationship with Pakistan. No problems if they cut ties with us if they're going to behave like this and treat our players and board with such little respect.

To act as if nothing has changed would be choosing to keep your head in the sand. We all know what's happening in Afghanistan and the fact is NZ sent soldiers over to Afghanistan. There is a chance that there could be a threat to the NZ team and we should wait before things to become clear over the next few days rather than vilifying NZders for putting safety first.

All of this change occurred before the NZ team came to Pakistan. If NZ had cancelled the tour sitting in NZ, or a day or two after touching down no Pakistani would be reacting this much. The problem is that NZ seemed to have woken up on the wrong side of the bed on the morning of the game and declared this mere minutes before the toss, after Pakistan had taken all the measures.

Of course NZ has the right to protect its players/citizens, but then why send them if the current climate is so dangerous? And if there is a credible threat, I understand intelligence agencies are very confidential and all but at least some effort should be made to alert Pakistani authorities so we can ensure that our players, our support staff, our security personnel, and above all our common citizens are also protected from this threat if it is a general threat.

And as for "how little Pakistani's take these threats" - you get used to it after a while. It's a sad reality...
 
Yes, 2 warmups for every team.

Interesting but how is it possible? IPL final is on 15th Oct and T20 world cup starts on 17. Not sure how they will fit 2 warm up games for each team.
 
Pakistan should not waste these next few weeks, moping in their rooms crying at NZ's C Team pulling out of the series, and make use of the resources available to them that will be wasted.

They should do the following:

1) Create two teams with the strongest T20 players in the country. Name them for e.g Pakistan Lions & Pakistan Warriors. Plaster the kits with a ridiculous number of sponsors so the players look like billboards.

2) Play T20 matches with the two teams on the already scheduled times at Pindi Stadium. Broadcast the matches as planned, in order to recover some of the lost revenue. TV channels who have bought the rights have empty slots on their broadcast schedule that need filling in - most will still broadcast the games.

3) Free entry to all the matches. Use Catch a Crore or even Catch a Plot in Bahria/DHA to get bums on seats. Gate receipts in the subcontinent are negligible in the grand scheme of things. TV viewership is where the money is made.

4) News channels will be running the story of NZ pulling out and the India conspiracy for weeks to come, and this mini intra tournament will indirectly receive free advertising and traction, the same way the Kashmir Premier League did.

What do Pakistan have to lose by taking this approach?

No thanks

I hate these domestic tournaments and it's a poor substitution for a cancelled international T20 series with one of the best teams in the world.

We need to arrange a series with another top international side. We should make it clear that we will visit them even if they have no plans of ever coming to Pakistan in future.
 
This was a New Zealand C team. So, I doubt it would've been much of a practice.

But, this was a massive PR blow. New Zealand have done damage to the image of Pakistan and PCB.
 
This was a New Zealand C team. So, I doubt it would've been much of a practice.

But, this was a massive PR blow. New Zealand have done damage to the image of Pakistan and PCB.

It is more than a massive PR blow. PR is just a smokescreen to selectively hide your weakness and show your strengths.
PCB needs teams to tour Pakistan and that is the only way cricketing standards will improve. PCB should not damage the situaion further by mindless tweets but salvage their relationship with NZ team and bring them again after one year.
 
Very worrying as most of the players will be playing at the IPL so they will be game ready whilst our players will be lacking match sharpness. I hope PCB can arrange another series with someone.
 
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