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Pakistan make excellent coaches look terrible

Varun said:
1. Gary Kirsten
2. Dav Whatmore
3. Mike Hesson

And counting. Discuss.
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Hesson has not been a good coach for Pak because he has been unable to understand the strengths and weaknesses of Pak team.

Shadab & Nawaz cannot be relied as spin bowlers. If they are batters, they must bat higher. Babar was ousted then brought back for absolute nothing.

The tactical decisions have been clueless. In the world cup, wherever they needed to bat first, they fielded and vice versa.

The other thing, however, is that Pak is an absolutely terrible fielding team overall. That is something that no coach can be blamed on.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
Hesson has not been a good coach for Pak because he has been unable to understand the strengths and weaknesses of Pak team.

Shadab & Nawaz cannot be relied as spin bowlers. If they are batters, they must bat higher. Babar was ousted then brought back for absolute nothing.

The tactical decisions have been clueless. In the world cup, wherever they needed to bat first, they fielded and vice versa.

The other thing, however, is that Pak is an absolutely terrible fielding team overall. That is something that no coach can be blamed on.
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I haven't watched Pakistan cricket for a while, but I watched the PSL a couple of seasons ago, and the same players who were performing there, i.e., Saim, Farhan, Ali Agha, Usman Khan, Nafay are playing in this world cup. They didn't look great even then, so was expecting a lot to think they were going to perform against the best teams.

At least Farhan has had a good tournament though, so kudos to him.

The coaches are getting well paid I imagine, so it's not a thankless task.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I haven't watched Pakistan cricket for a while, but I watched the PSL a couple of seasons ago, and the same players who were performing there, i.e., Saim, Farhan, Ali Agha, Usman Khan, Nafay are playing in this world cup. They didn't look great even then, so was expecting a lot to think they were going to perform against the best teams.

At least Farhan has had a good tournament though, so kudos to him.

The coaches are getting well paid I imagine, so it's not a thankless task.
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You aren't wrong in saying that most of these players are the best that we have. It's just the roles that are given to them are a bit beyond their talent ceiling.

Shadab isn't a terrible player but he's an ok batter and a poor bowler so he cannot be the main bowler for the team anymore. He also regressed because of a couple of injuries so the best way to use him would be like a part time, get him to slog a few before he comes in and bowls 2 overs. Nawaz has never been reliable and consistent on international level against better teams in difficult situations. That's something that has remained the one constant about his play so you cannot select him as the premier spinner. It would be better to drop him for a bowler or play a batter. Agha is again someone who is a decent player by Pak standard but he has been given a role for which he isn't good enough & hasn't even done that in the past. How many PSLs he has played as a number 3?

Farhan is the best that we have at the moment, that just shows how far behind Pak is as compared to the world. You are right that water can not be turned into wine but if you keep it flowing it also doesn't stagnate.

Overall, the team has performed as expected. They aren't the best but they aren't also the worst.
 
Hesson had been relying on Saim and Nawaz for spin in the opening and middle overs. That strategy works against sub par opposition or on slow sluggish wickets which aid spin. On a wicket against a quality side and a wicket that did not aid spin, the strategy backfired.

What kind of coach stays in a country for a month and cannot assess pitches?
 
Even an excellent coach becomes toothless and ineffective if he is not empowered enough and is blunted with all the sifarish and bad management BS plaguing the team these days. We are providing a beat up flat tire Hyundai and are expecting the coach to turn it into a smooth BMW -- ain't gonna happen!
 
Saim Ayub was underwhelming at the top. He is more of a bowler than a batsman now.

Coaches can coach and hone the existing skills. But if the hitting ability and fast hands are not there, then a coach can do nothing. To me Ayub and Fakhar are the only T20 players in Pak team and they both failed in this tournament.
 
If fielding was bit better or Nawaz didnt have off day in his earlier overs we could have won. Overall, it was still tough fight to England and Pakistan had most kf their batsmen handled other than Brook who took game away. Can't blame any single coach or player as such sometimes you get one star performance from other side so just take a bow and give them credit.
 
Maybe Guru Gary wasn't so great after all. That was an ATG Indian team who had not fully understood how to win a tournament, but managed to find a way at home and also with the 'last shot for Sachin' thing.
 
The weakest player of spin in England's lineup is allowed to ball against all those part time, trash spinners of Pakistan. Typical Pakistan
 
Dav done alright didn't he?

There's only so much Hesson can do. His reliance on all rounders is a bit strange but some of the things like selecting Babar seem out of his control. Even today he is getting flack for benching Abrar, but remember he also brought back Shaheen and that worked well.

This is the limit of these players.
 
Hesson has proven to be a very reactive coach. He talks a lot but he dumped Hasan Nawaz, Mohd Haris and then bought back Babar Azam. He is clearly reacting to the press and ex players all the time. There is no vision or thought process behind his thinking or decisions.
 
shah9425 said:
Hesson so far been horrible and stubborn

Stuck with Babar for playing a test match in t20

Dropping Sufyan for Useless Shadab

Hassan nawaz and others
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Based on what i have seen and observed he is a very defensive coach. There is no other reasonable explanation for him packing the side with so many bits and pieces all rounders. A coaches primary job is to also read and understand the pitches. Packing the side with so many spinners and that also bits and pieces spinners when the conditions did not aid spin as much as expected is also scandalous. He didn't have the guts.
 
There is a reason that coaches who had even an iota of honor quit representing the most shameless board on the planet. That tells you about Hesson and his compromise!
 
Savak said:
Based on what i have seen and observed he is a very defensive coach. There is no other reasonable explanation for him packing the side with so many bits and pieces all rounders. A coaches primary job is to also read and understand the pitches. Packing the side with so many spinners and that also bits and pieces spinners when the conditions did not aid spin as much as expected is also scandalous. He didn't have the guts.
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His obsession with bits and pieces all rounders

Exposed against bigger teams
 
Skill is a factor in that, you can have the best planning but if the players continue to make poor decisions under pressure due to lack of skill and game awareness, there’s not much that can be done.

Babar-Farhan slowing down in the middle overs made sure we ended up well below par. They both were set and decided to play out dot balls in that phase. Not much the coach can do there.
 
Varun said:
Did you miss how he transformed New Zealand in the 2010s?
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Brother suppose you are coach of Pakistan...
What will be your plan for Babar..... either play him at top order or totaly he should not be in squad..
You selected shadab and Nawaz for what....
Salman who initially got unsold in PSL is leading national team..
If Fakhar and Naseem are not well to play then what they are doing in squad..
Now finally SHOW ME ONLY 5 PROPER T20 BATSMEN FROM THIS SQUAD.
 
I like Hesson but he deserves blame too.

He's put too much faith in Pakistan's "all-rounders," who are sub-par players. This is not NZ where the all-rounders have some quality to them, instead these guys are mediocre players that happen to bat and bowl a bit.

Just because you add a million of them doesn't mean it will work. Low quality is low quality.

A good coach should be optimizing his XI and I don't feel he's done that.
 
kingusama92 said:
I like Hesson but he deserves blame too.

He's put too much faith in Pakistan's "all-rounders," who are sub-par players. This is not NZ where the all-rounders have some quality to them, instead these guys are mediocre players that happen to bat and bowl a bit.

Just because you add a million of them doesn't mean it will work. Low quality is low quality.

A good coach should be optimizing his XI and I don't feel he's done that.
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Hesson supports a tulla like Agha as captain and at number 3 in T20I. Unforgivable.
 
Coach in international cricket is basically man manager who strategizes and provides plans to the players. It is the job of the players to execute the plans. The sooner PCB and fans realise that no coach can turn this team into world beater overnight the better. If you keep blaming the coaches you will have a different one every year but the results will remain the same. The biggest issue for Pakistan is not the coach it is the skill set. The players aren't good enough and also they don't have any intention of improving. For some reason they think they are world beaters after couple of good seasons in PSL and think they are above any coaching. A player at the international level is supposed to be a finished article. A coach at that level can correct some minor flaws and may be help with the mental aspect of the game but cannot teach someone to bat and correct their technique to a level where they become a different batter altogether. It is the responsibility of the player to work on their kinks when they are out of the team. I never feel any Pakistan player ever improving between their two stints in the national team. for example if any player is dropped from the national side and they return after 1 year, they play the same way and make the same mistakes they did when they were dropped. This is the fault of the player and not the national coach.

I have only seen Farhan doing something and returning a better player but again we haven't seen him play out side subcontinent yet.
 
Pakistan's coaching is not some Gora's cup of tea. they are not cut for this job.. There could be an exception but really, we need to go back to basics.

If a coach is making a non-t20 player a captain and bringing in useless pacers and filling the side with all-rounders and making things worse for Pakistan, then maybe it is not Pakistan's fault, that guy is not good enough..
 
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