Pakistan makes Arabic a complusory subject

[Giannis]

I personally think this is a good move, the Arab world is a huge market of half a billion people, it's as useful as learning Spanish and Chinese.



https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pak...rabic-classes-in-islamabad-schools-1.76904094

https://www.dawn.com/news/1604889

The Senate on Monday approved the Compulsory Teaching of the Arabic Language Bill 2020 which makes teaching of the Arabic language mandatory in primary and secondary schools in Islamabad.

The bill was presented by PML-N Senator Javed Abbasi and approved near-unanimously by members of the Senate, with PPP Senator Raza Rabbani offering the sole dissenting note. The ministry concerned will implement the bill within a period of six months.

The bill states that Arabic will be taught in schools in Islamabad from grades 1 to 5, while Arabic grammar will be taught to grades 6 to 12.

Abbasi said Arabic is the world's fifth most-widely spoken language and the official language of 25 countries. He emphasised that learning Arabic could open up more job opportunities for Pakistanis in the Middle East and lead to lower unemployment and increased remittances. He also said the Holy Quran and daily prayers were read in Arabic and "we would not go through the problems we are currently facing if we understood the Holy Quran."

He added that he was in favour of multiple languages being taught such as Russian, Spanish and English. "No one objected to this [teaching of English] and said that English shouldn't be taught."

Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Ali Muhammad Khan concurred with Abbasi, saying that the government "categorically supported" the bill. He added that according to Article 31 of the Constitution, "Measures should be taken to spend our lives according to the Holy Quran and Sunnah."

According to Khan, learning Arabic was crucial to "become a good Muslim [...] and understand God's message".

Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam Senator Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri also voiced his support for the bill and said, "Arabic is the language of the heavens." He added that learning Arabic could help in understanding the Holy Quran.

Rabbani, meanwhile offering his dissenting note, alleged that the legislation was the state's attempt to use "Islam for achieving a political agenda". He further added that the state was trying to eliminate Pakistan's multicultural and multi-lingual diversity by importing "Arab culture".

"The Arab culture is not mine, [the] Indus Valley [Civilisation] is my culture."

He said that the bill would give priority to Arabic over regional languages when, according to him, Arabic had nothing to do with the religion of Islam or the Holy Quran beyond being the language it was revealed in. "We don't need a certificate from anyone of being a Muslim," Rabbani said, while disagreeing with the notion of being outside the fold of Islam if one didn't support the adoption of Arabic.
Compulsory Teaching of the Arabic Language Bill 2020

The bill was earlier moved by Abbasi in a meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Federal Education in October 2020. The committee had approved the bill and directed the education ministry and Federal Directorate of Education to complete tasks related to its implementation within six months.

The bill next required approval by the National Assembly Standing Committee on Education and then by both the Senate and National Assembly.

 

[Giannis]

I don't get how ultranationalists are trying to portray this as an "Arabization" of Pakistan; I guess xenophobia isn't unique to the radical right in the west.

 

[JaDed]

Why not Mandarin ? Thats the language of future.

 

[JaDed]

I don't get how ultranationalists are trying to portray this as an "Arabization" of Pakistan; I guess xenophobia isn't unique to the radical right in the west.

Because the leaders say it that way too ..

Senator Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri also voiced his support for the bill and said, "Arabic is the language of the heavens

 

[Giannis]

Why not Mandarin ? Thats the language of future.

I heard that they already teach it, however Arabic has more historical and religious significance with regards to Pakistan. There are millions of Pakistanis in the gulf already and Pakistanis do transit through the gulf quite often, other than going for Haj and Umrah

 

[JimmyGetsBuckets]

Most kids in pakistan learn to read arabic anyways. Now they will be able to understand it too.

 

[JaDed]

I heard that they already teach it, however Arabic has more historical and religious significance with regards to Pakistan. There are millions of Pakistanis in the gulf already and Pakistanis do transit through the gulf quite often, other than going for Haj and Umrah

So Pakistanis are going be learning 4 languages?

English
Urdu
Arabic
Mandarin??

 

[Giannis]

So Pakistanis are going be learning 4 languages?

English
Urdu
Arabic
Mandarin??

Possibly, add in a couple of regional languages and you got a nation of polyglots

 

[JimmyGetsBuckets]

So Pakistanis are going be learning 4 languages?

English
Urdu
Arabic
Mandarin??

Arabic is already taught anyways so this will only benefit the kids. I can read arabic but I dont know what it means at least they will be able to understand it too.

 

[Giannis]

Because the leaders say it that way too ..

Senator Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri also voiced his support for the bill and said, "Arabic is the language of the heavens

I believe there are hadiths that do say that but speaking a language and adopting a whole culture are two very different things. Most of the world now converses in English but neither your nor me could claim we're culturally English.

 

[JaDed]

Arabic is already taught anyways so this will only benefit the kids. I can read arabic but I dont know what it means at least they will be able to understand it too.

Hmm I think you guys underestimate how a language changes the culture, thinking in a language will have drastic changes to the culture which can be good or bad.. only time will tell.

And considering most Pakistanis can read it if they start thinking in Arabic that would be a massive shift.. again good or bad I don’t know..

 

[TSA321]

Punjabi should be compulsory in Punjab.

 

[JaDed]

I believe there are hadiths that do say that but speaking a language and adopting a whole culture are two very different things. Most of the world now converses in English but neither your nor me could claim we're culturally English.

Yes but we think in English and that causes
bias and changes culturally.. just my opinion.

Japanese or Germans don’t and you can see the difference..

 

[Giannis]

Hmm I think you guys underestimate how a language changes the culture, thinking in a language will have drastic changes to the culture which can be good or bad.. only time will tell.

And considering most Pakistanis can read it if they start thinking in Arabic that would be a massive shift.. again good or bad I don’t know..

Yes but we think in English and that causes
bias and changes culturally.. just my opinion.

Japanese or Germans don’t and you can see the difference..

It's not replacing urdu or any regional language, it's going to be more of a third language like how a lot of us in America learn Spanish or French in school, that doesn't mean we start thinking like Latins lol. A lot of European countries teach 3 or 4 languages in school, that doesn't change the culture. Yes, if it were to be the only language taught then what you're saying would make sense.

 

[Bigboii]

Punjabi should be compulsory in Punjab.

why? what's the benefit of learning it in the actual world

 

[JaDed]

It's not replacing urdu or any regional language, it's going to be more of a third language like how a lot of us in America learn Spanish or French in school, that doesn't mean we start thinking like Latins lol. A lot of European countries teach 3 or 4 languages in school, that doesn't change the culture. Yes, if it were to be the only language taught then what you're saying would make sense.

I always thought there were two languages taught in USA education , do you mean third language as for you?

Also English did change you and spanish has no religious significance so didnt matter, Arabic has a religious significance..

Anyhow time will tell.. we can’t judge right away

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Because the leaders say it that way too ..

Senator Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri also voiced his support for the bill and said, "Arabic is the language of the heavens

That guy is a Mullah. So of course he would think that. But in parliament the Mullahs dont have that many seats. 12 out of 342

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Punjabi should be compulsory in Punjab.

Why? Do rich people send their children to Punjabi medium schools, or English?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Wrong move. English is the global lingua franca. Their is zero benefit to learn Arabic. English, Urdu, and regional language should be enough.

 

[Bigboii]

stupid idea Engish is more than enough
Too many courses add unnesacary burden that can be better served by teaching more technical courses

Maybe like computer sciences, in working class areas teach them trades

 

[Bigboii]

Punjabi should be compulsory in Punjab.

although courses should be translated/taught into Punjabi so students can actually understand them (of course technical terms should be in English)

In urban areas Urdu will do

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Rabbani, meanwhile offering his dissenting note, alleged that the legislation was the state's attempt to use "Islam for achieving a political agenda". He further added that the state was trying to eliminate Pakistan's multicultural and multi-lingual diversity by importing "Arab culture".

"The Arab culture is not mine, [the] Indus Valley [Civilisation] is my culture."

There is almost nothing in Pakistani culture from IVC. The language of the IVC was not a Indo European one. Neither is our cuisine, clothing, religion from that civilization. I dont get the obsession liberals have with this civilization.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I heard that they already teach it, however Arabic has more historical and religious significance with regards to Pakistan. There are millions of Pakistanis in the gulf already and Pakistanis do transit through the gulf quite often, other than going for Haj and Umrah

Farsi has more historical significance than Arabic in the subcontinent. In the gulf they can speak English. Thats the lingua franca of most of those countries now. At least UAE.

 

[Giannis]

Wrong move. English is the global lingua franca. Their is zero benefit to learn Arabic. English, Urdu, and regional language should be enough.

stupid idea Engish is more than enough
Too many courses add unnesacary burden that can be better served by teaching more technical courses

Maybe like computer sciences, in working class areas teach them trades

There's nothing wrong with learning more languages, guys. Arabic is one the major languages of the world and it would be good if more Pakistanis could converse in it. In Europe they literally teach 3 or 4 languages other than English. Also Urdu already has thousands of words derived from Arabic and many Farsi words derived from Arabic, so for a lot of Pakistanis they already have the vocabularly and just go to work on the grammar, plus the script uses the same writing system.

 

[Giannis]

Farsi has more historical significance than Arabic in the subcontinent. In the gulf they can speak English. Thats the lingua franca of most of those countries now. At least UAE.

Farsi that was transmitted to south asia and influenced was already heavily Arabized, in fact a lot Iranic ultanationalists want to purge every Arabic origin word which most Iranians understand would be a futile excercise as there are just so many Arabic loanwords.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

There's nothing wrong with learning more languages, guys. Arabic is one the major languages of the world and it would be good if more Pakistanis could converse in it. In Europe they literally teach 3 or 4 languages other than English. Also Urdu already has thousands of words derived from Arabic and many Farsi words derived from Arabic, so for a lot of Pakistanis they already have the vocabularly and just go to work on the grammar, plus the script uses the same writing system.

Right but why compulsory. And that too why compulsory in Islamabad only. BTW i think the thread title should reflect this is for Isloo only.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Farsi that was transmitted to south asia and influenced was already heavily Arabized, in fact a lot Iranic ultanationalists want to purge every Arabic origin word which most Iranians understand would be a futile excercise as there are just so many Arabic loanwords.

Thats true, but if we had to have another language for cultural reasons that should really be Farsi. I mean there is a 1,000 year history of Farsi in the subcontinent.

 

[Giannis]

Right but why compulsory. And that too why compulsory in Islamabad only. BTW i think the thread title should reflect this is for Isloo only.

From what I understand it's a federal law so any federally operated school? I'm not sure but the people in Pakistan can verify.

 

[Giannis]

Thats true, but if we had to have another language for cultural reasons that should really be Farsi. I mean there is a 1,000 year history of Farsi in the subcontinent.

No, Farsi is more useless then Arabic. Only 3 countries have farsi as an official language, only one of them wealthy and has some economic clout, one is war torn and half its population speaks Pashto and then there's little Tajikistan that globally irrelevant are heavily influenced by the Soviets. Arab on the other hand is spoken by 22+ countries, across 2 continents, the gulf is one of the wealthiest regions in the world and Saudi Arabia and Iraq hold Islamic pilgrimage sites that are important to Muslims of both the major sects. Besides here in the west, Pakistanis seem to get along more with Arabs than Iranian, the latter are seem to stick to their own.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Hmm I think you guys underestimate how a language changes the culture, thinking in a language will have drastic changes to the culture which can be good or bad.. only time will tell.

And considering most Pakistanis can read it if they start thinking in Arabic that would be a massive shift.. again good or bad I don’t know..

This bill is only for one city. So the impact wont be that big.

And yes language does change culture. However our culture is still very different from Persian culture, even though there are so many farsi words in Urdu, Punjabi, Sindhi, Hindi, Gujrati, etc.

If anything it will still be less than the impact of English

 

[Bigboii]

There's nothing wrong with learning more languages, guys. Arabic is one the major languages of the world and it would be good if more Pakistanis could converse in it. In Europe they literally teach 3 or 4 languages other than English. Also Urdu already has thousands of words derived from Arabic and many Farsi words derived from Arabic, so for a lot of Pakistanis, they already have the vocabulary and just go to work on the grammar, plus the script uses the same writing system.

Pakistan is not Europe our education system is already crap, why put languages that are not practical and don't serve a lot of purpose - It's like the arguments on cursive sure there are beneficial, but cost benefit analysis is just not worth it - its the same with every language except for English

Keep it short and keep the quality of education high - If you put more load without the budget/staff than an already education system spread thin would come down

It's not practical to keep on adding courses with little practical use in workplaces majority of the country would never go outside so teach them the practical skills for the future like computer science, trades, financial management (to encourage the use of banks)
I can name you tons of more practical courses than learning a foreign language in a country where budget for education is just not there

 

[Bigboii]

why? what's the benefit of learning it in the actual world

[MENTION=135388]TSA321[/MENTION] I am genuinely curious on why do you think it'll better for Punjab region to learn the language?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

No, Farsi is more useless then Arabic. Only 3 countries have farsi as an official language, only one of them wealthy and has some economic clout, one is war torn and half its population speaks Pashto and then there's little Tajikistan that globally irrelevant are heavily influenced by the Soviets. Arab on the other hand is spoken by 22+ countries, across 2 continents, the gulf is one of the wealthiest regions in the world and Saudi Arabia and Iraq hold Islamic pilgrimage sites that are important to Muslims of both the major sects. Besides here in the west, Pakistanis seem to get along more with Arabs than Iranian, the latter are seem to stick to their own.

I agree Farsi is useless. And i have no problem if anyone wants to learn Arabic. Only issue is why make it compulsory.

And in the west, at least US, i have noticed is Pakistanis mainly socialize with other Pakistanis, and occasionally Indian Muslims, and Bangladeshi Muslims.

 

[Giannis]

Pakistan is not Europe our education system is already crap, why put languages that are not practical and don't serve a lot of purpose - It's like the arguments on cursive sure there are beneficial, but cost benefit analysis is just not worth it - its the same with every language except for English

Keep it short and keep the quality of education high - If you put more load without the budget/staff than an already education system spread thin would come down

It's not practical to keep on adding courses with little practical use in workplaces majority of the country would never go outside so teach them the practical skills for the future like computer science, trades, financial management (to encourage the use of banks)
I can name you tons of more practical courses than learning a foreign language in a country where budget for education is just not there

Dude 5 million+ Pakistanis live and work in the gulf, millions of Pakistan travel to the Arab world every year either for tourism, business or for religious reasons, Pakistanis are some of the biggest property owners in Dubai, there are Pakistani soldiers in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia, over 40% of Oman's population is from Balochistan, a little less in the other gulf countries, and our freaking national cricket team has made the UAE its second home for over 10 years now. Time to learn their language.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

why? what's the benefit of learning it in the actual world

You can learn and give the most funny abuses and jokes..
my favourite is ... Kanjar.
Also, I have lived in Spain, France and Australia now. All my Indian/Pakistani food shopping has been done in Punjabi language.
There is a market street in Valencia, Spain full of groceries and veggie shops, all run by Pakistan and Indian brethren’s sharing the Border villages of Punjab.
So you see, Punjabi is a global language

 

[Giannis]

I agree Farsi is useless. And i have no problem if anyone wants to learn Arabic. Only issue is why make it compulsory.

And in the west, at least US, i have noticed is Pakistanis mainly socialize with other Pakistanis, and occasionally Indian Muslims, and Bangladeshi Muslims.

Maybe with immigrant generation, but a lot of us American born South Asian Muslims have a lot of Arab-American friends.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Dude 5 million+ Pakistanis live and work in the gulf, millions of Pakistan travel to the Arab world every year either for tourism, business or for religious reasons, Pakistanis are some of the biggest property owners in Dubai, there are Pakistani soldiers in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia, over 40% of Oman's population is from Balochistan, a little less in the other gulf countries, and our freaking national cricket team has made the UAE its second home for over 10 years now. Time to learn their language.

The ones living there should learn it. Still dont see why Pakistanis in Islamabad who might never want to move to the gulf have to learn it.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

How much is Arabic different from Urdu. My grandfather used to read an Urdu newspaper back in the 1990s.
He tried teaching me but I was already mixing Hindi and Punjabi in schools written tests so did not learn much.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Maybe with immigrant generation, but a lot of us American born South Asian Muslims have a lot of Arab-American friends.

Yea that might be it. Growing up in my family we only socialized with other Pakistani families, and Indian Muslim families.

It makes sense for the ones born and bred in the US to socialize with other ethnic groups.

 

[Bigboii]

The ones living there should learn it. Still dont see why Pakistanis in Islamabad who might never want to move to the gulf have to learn it.

+1 exactly my answer

With English its global business langague its absoulately necessary to learn it to communicate with the rest of the world (from Spain to Zimbabwe every global business is expected to know English so its neccasory)

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

How much is Arabic different from Urdu. My grandfather used to read an Urdu newspaper back in the 1990s.
He tried teaching me but I was already mixing Hindi and Punjabi in schools written tests so did not learn much.

Completely different language family. So very different.


Hindi and Punjabi are from the same sub branch (Indo -Aryan), which is a branch of the (Indo -Iranian), of a language family called Indo European. So they are very similar.

 

[Giannis]

The ones living there should learn it. Still dont see why Pakistanis in Islamabad who might never want to move to the gulf have to learn it.

Why should someone from western Canada learn French? You don't have to live somewhere to have a reason to learn a language

 

[Bigboii]

How much is Arabic different from Urdu. My grandfather used to read an Urdu newspaper back in the 1990s.
He tried teaching me but I was already mixing Hindi and Punjabi in schools written tests so did not learn much.

My grandmother used to read Hindi papers - I always thought she was a raw agent fooling us...

 

[Bigboii]

Why should someone from western Canada learn French? You don't have to live somewhere to have a reason to learn a language

But we dont have the Canadian budget or money we have to keep our courses very practical
we can't afford the ayashia of learning foreign language cause we feel like it

 

[Giannis]

Rabbani, meanwhile offering his dissenting note, alleged that the legislation was the state's attempt to use "Islam for achieving a political agenda". He further added that the state was trying to eliminate Pakistan's multicultural and multi-lingual diversity by importing "Arab culture".

"The Arab culture is not mine, [the] Indus Valley [Civilisation] is my culture."

There is almost nothing in Pakistani culture from IVC. The language of the IVC was not a Indo European one. Neither is our cuisine, clothing, religion from that civilization. I dont get the obsession liberals have with this civilization.

From what I've read, the people of the IVC were a mix of AASI (Onge related people) and Iranian pastoralists.

 

[Giannis]

But we dont have the Canadian budget or money we have to keep our courses very practical
we can't afford the ayashia of learning foreign language cause we feel like it

If Pakistani kids can learn to memorize the Quran for no cost within 3 years then no reason they can't drill Arabic into their heads

 

[Bigboii]

You can learn and give the most funny abuses and jokes..
my favourite is ... Kanjar.
Also, I have lived in Spain, France and Australia now. All my Indian/Pakistani food shopping has been done in Punjabi language.
There is a market street in Valencia, Spain full of groceries and veggie shops, all run by Pakistan and Indian brethren’s sharing the Border villages of Punjab.
So you see, Punjabi is a global language ����

you learn it on the streets of Lahore... We don't need a headteacher for that

for Punjabi household they get an early lesson when they learn it from thier mother or father as a toddler

 

[Giannis]

you learn it on the streets of Lahore... We don't need a headteacher for that

for Punjabi household they get an early lesson when they learn it from thier mother or father as a toddler

You need a teacher to learn how to read and write Shahmukhi and learn the history of Punjabi literature.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Why should someone from western Canada learn French? You don't have to live somewhere to have a reason to learn a language

Because both English and French are official languages of Canada?

But yea you dont have to live somewhere to learn that language. If the people of Islamabad want this, are happy with this, then i have no issue. However still seems like too many languages to me.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

You can learn and give the most funny abuses and jokes..
my favourite is ... Kanjar.
Also, I have lived in Spain, France and Australia now. All my Indian/Pakistani food shopping has been done in Punjabi language.
There is a market street in Valencia, Spain full of groceries and veggie shops, all run by Pakistan and Indian brethren’s sharing the Border villages of Punjab.
So you see, Punjabi is a global language ����

All those Punjabi's can speak Urdu/Hindi. So its not a huge loss if you cant speak Punjabi with them.

 

[TSA321]

[MENTION=135388]TSA321[/MENTION] I am genuinely curious on why do you think it'll better for Punjab region to learn the language?

So it doesn’t die out.

 

[Bigboii]

So it doesn’t die out.

That's why teach Punjabi till 4-5 grades and translate other courses to Punjabi in Punjab region
While continuing to learn English

Punjabi- Medium schools (with strong emphasis on English) - It's not the language of education but the quality that metters

 

[JimmyGetsBuckets]

Why should someone from western Canada learn French? You don't have to live somewhere to have a reason to learn a language

In Canada you have to speak both French and English for government positions so alot of people end up learning French even tho it's only used in Quebec.

 

[guna]

Good decision. You have to understand the language if you are going to recite the verses of Muslim holy book 5 times a day.

Reciting without knowing the meaning is a waste of time.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Good decision. You have to understand the language if you are going to recite the verses of Muslim holy book 5 times a day.

Reciting without knowing the meaning is a waste of time.

Do people of other religions understand the verses of their holy book?

Also this bill is only for Islamabad. So it wont "help" anyone else.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Do people of other religions understand the verses of their holy book?

Also this bill is only for Islamabad. So it wont "help" anyone else.

In Hinduism the verses are in Sanskrit or Hindi...and there are translations in Tamil, Telugu etc whose root language is Sanskrit.

Sanskrit is an optional language from Grade 4 onwards till Grade 10 in almost all states of India.
In state level exams of grade 10, If you take Hindi and Sanskrit both the higher score out of those 2 are added to your total score.
Most of my classmates scored higher in Sanskrit as its grammar rules are more logical to understand.

 

[guna]

Do people of other religions understand the verses of their holy book?

Also this bill is only for Islamabad. So it wont "help" anyone else.

Most Hindu literature is originally written in Sanskrit. But there are translations available in all languages. So someone can pray in Tamil or Gujarati or Bengali. Hinduism is not language bound.

Actually Pakistan should make it mandatory to learn Arabic for all Muslims at least. Non-Muslims can be given a choice.

 

[CricketCartoons]

In Hinduism the verses are in Sanskrit or Hindi...and there are translations in Tamil, Telugu etc whose root language is Sanskrit.

Sanskrit is an optional language from Grade 4 onwards till Grade 10 in almost all states of India.
In state level exams of grade 10, If you take Hindi and Sanskrit both the higher score out of those 2 are added to your total score.
Most of my classmates scored higher in Sanskrit as its grammar rules are more logical to understand.

bhaye prakat kripala deendayala kaushalya hitkari is sanskrit or hindi?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Most Hindu literature is originally written in Sanskrit. But there are translations available in all languages. So someone can pray in Tamil or Gujarati or Bengali. Hinduism is not language bound.

Actually Pakistan should make it mandatory to learn Arabic for all Muslims at least. Non-Muslims can be given a choice.

They already have Islamiyat in Urdu. Non Muslims are exempt from taking these classes. No reason for the Arabic classes imo, unless people want it for economic reasons in the gulf.

 

[Bigboii]

bhaye prakat kripala deendayala kaushalya hitkari is sanskrit or hindi?

I am reading this and I am envisioning a bollywood exorcism...

 

[CricketCartoons]

I am reading this and I am envisioning a bollywood exorcism...

bhoot pishaach nikat nahi aawe mahaveer jab naam sanawe... that is similar to your ayat-ul-kursi.

 

[Justcrazy]

Its a good decision , should have been implemented long back

 

[Bigboii]

bhoot pishaach nikat nahi aawe mahaveer jab naam sanawe... that is similar to your ayat-ul-kursi.

That's.hindi tho I can easily understand it

 

[Madplayer]

Brilliant move.

Now according to some self styled atheists on PP, Pakistanis will be adopting atheism in droves when they begin to understand their own religion properly.

 

[Itachi]

although courses should be translated/taught into Punjabi so students can actually understand them (of course technical terms should be in English)

In urban areas Urdu will do

I come from a school with regional language as medium in India. It creates a big obstacle later in life and thankfully, I adopted to the English medium quickly (was at the verge of failing the 11th class).

The common problem in this case is, even if you hold a good grasp of vocabulary, you'll be constantly finding that you "think" in the regional language and then "translate" into English all the time. It is time consuming and at times, you'll face difficulty in conversation such as in interviews.

And there will be hardly any good books in regional language in any subject (especially for science streams). I myself advice that don't forget your roots, don't forget your own language. But for academic and job purpose, put emphasis on English only.

 

[Itachi]

Brilliant move.

Now according to some self styled atheists on PP, Pakistanis will be adopting atheism in droves when they begin to understand their own religion properly.

If you know a religion enough and get over the dogma that is forced upon you from childhood, many will. I know you were being sarcastic but it does have a merit.

 

[Madplayer]

If you know a religion enough and get over the dogma that is forced upon you from childhood, many will. I know you were being sarcastic but it does have a merit.

There is an inherent (and arrogant) bias in your statement. And thats what my sarcastic comment was aimed at. It didnt even take long for someone to come and make the same arrogant statement

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

In Hinduism the verses are in Sanskrit or Hindi...and there are translations in Tamil, Telugu etc whose root language is Sanskrit.

Sanskrit is an optional language from Grade 4 onwards till Grade 10 in almost all states of India.
In state level exams of grade 10, If you take Hindi and Sanskrit both the higher score out of those 2 are added to your total score.
Most of my classmates scored higher in Sanskrit as its grammar rules are more logical to understand.

Do Hindus recite verses in local languages or Sanskrit? That was the point. if its Sanskrit then they dont really understand it.

In Pakistan there also translations of Quran in Urdu, Sindhi, etc. Urdu actually has a ton of Islamic literature. And in Pakistan you already take Islamiyat classes in Urdu. There is no need for Arabic unless its for economic reasons, however English is sufficient to do that.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I come from a school with regional language as medium in India. It creates a big obstacle later in life and thankfully, I adopted to the English medium quickly (was at the verge of failing the 11th class).

The common problem in this case is, even if you hold a good grasp of vocabulary, you'll be constantly finding that you "think" in the regional language and then "translate" into English all the time. It is time consuming and at times, you'll face difficulty in conversation such as in interviews.

And there will be hardly any good books in regional language in any subject (especially for science streams). I myself advice that don't forget your roots, don't forget your own language. But for academic and job purpose, put emphasis on English only.

The worst part of studying in a regional language, or even Urdu or Hindu medium school, is that the elite and upper middle class will attend English medium schools. So it creates an unfair advantage for them.

English medium is the way to go. I hate the elites who want the masses to study in local languages but their own children in English.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Do Hindus recite verses in local languages or Sanskrit? That was the point. if its Sanskrit then they dont really understand it.

In Pakistan there also translations of Quran in Urdu, Sindhi, etc. Urdu actually has a ton of Islamic literature. And in Pakistan you already take Islamiyat classes in Urdu. There is no need for Arabic unless its for economic reasons, however English is sufficient to do that.

All the poojas are done in Sanskrit at least in whole of Northern India.
The Hindu marriage ceremony is full of Sanskrit verses.

 

[Nadeemp]

The more languages you know the better. However to make arabic compulsory is bonkers

 

[CricketCartoons]

Brilliant move.

Now according to some self styled atheists on PP, Pakistanis will be adopting atheism in droves when they begin to understand their own religion properly.

This is something which is bothering the left loonies in pakistan as well as hindu atheists/sickulars.

 

[Itachi]

All the poojas are done in Sanskrit at least in whole of Northern India.
The Hindu marriage ceremony is full of Sanskrit verses.

But one doesn't need to understand the verses. In all cases, people just say whatever the pandit says. Hence in the end, people ask for forgiveness if there was any error.

 

[Itachi]

There is an inherent (and arrogant) bias in your statement. And thats what my sarcastic comment was aimed at. It didnt even take long for someone to come and make the same arrogant statement

Bias. Yes.

But same is prevalent in your case too..

Both atheists and theists will be biased to some level.

 

[Madplayer]

Bias. Yes.

But same is prevalent in your case too..

Both atheists and theists will be biased to some level.

I didnt make any arrogant statements like "if people begin studying the atheist literature they'll become religious".
Its you (and atheists) who has such arrogant beliefs about religion. There is one atheist poster from Pakistan in particular here who keeps harping on about how no non-arab muslim knows arabic which means nobody understands Islam.

 

[Napa]

[MENTION=135388]TSA321[/MENTION] I am genuinely curious on why do you think it'll better for Punjab region to learn the language?

I think everybody should learn their mother tongue. Otherwise they end up with an identity crisis

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

But one doesn't need to understand the verses. In all cases, people just say whatever the pandit says. Hence in the end, people ask for forgiveness if there was any error.

Bhai i don't know but in my hometown the Pandit used to explain the verses as well.
And In Marriage also after every verse the Pandit will tell the duty of Husband/Wife.. and people/relatives joking after that.

 

[topspin]

Pakistanis have the most broken grasp of the most universal language in the world (English) so prioritising Arabic is a backwards move.

 

[Yossarian]

At high school (in the UK growing up, having moved there at a very young age) for the first year, for my class, Latin and French was compulsory. You could drop Latin after the first year, but not French, which you had to take for a further 2 years. And it was not a private school, but just a regular state school.

At least 5 of my classmates kept Latin, but also added German (in addition to French) for the following two years. They all ended up taking science subjects for A levels, and two went on to study Medicine, one to study Architecture, one to study Astronomy and one to study Chemical Engineering at top universities. Studying the foreign languages was not a handicap.

One of the senior managers at one of the companies I worked for spoke 7 (yes, seven) languages, English, French, German, Spanish, Russian, Italian and Greek - all of them fluently! He was German by birth, but grandparents from 3 different European countries.

He even used to correct the English grammar in memo's and emails sent by other (British) managers!

As has been said already, most Muslims learn to read Arabic anyway. So why not go the small extra step and learn to understand it as well?

 

[Yossarian]

Pakistanis have the most broken grasp of the most universal language in the world (English) so prioritising Arabic is a backwards move.

Rubbish. Read my post above.