Pakistan most dangerous country, its leaders don’t care about their people, says Jim Mattis

[Hitman]

Jim Mattis has a decade of experience of interacting with the military leadership in Pakistan.
Terming Pakistan as the “most dangerous” country for its nuclear capabilities and radicalisation, former US Secretary of Defence Jim Mattis has said the tragedy for Pakistani people is that they do not have leaders who care about their future.

Mr. Mattis, who led the US forces into Afghanistan in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, has a decade of experience of interacting with the military leadership in Pakistan.

The 68-year-old veteran, who resigned as US defence secretary last year, says in his new book “Call Sign Chaos: Learning to Lead” that hit the book stores on Tuesday that Pakistan’s political culture has an active self-destructive streak.

“Pakistan was a country born with no affection for itself, and there was an active self-destructive streak in its political culture,” he said.

“Of all the countries I’ve dealt with, I consider Pakistan to be the most dangerous, because of the radicalisation of its society and the availability of nuclear weapons,” Mr. Mattis said.

The fastest-growing nuclear arsenal in the world cannot fall into the hands of the terrorists breeding in their midst, he said, warning that its result would be “disastrous”.

“The tragedy for the Pakistani people is that they don’t have leaders who care about their future. As an illustration of the lack of trust, when we believed we had identified Osama bin Laden’s hiding place deep inside Pakistan, President (Barack) Obama sent in a team to kill him without informing the Pakistanis,” he said.

Mr. Mattis writes in his book about the changes he made on the ground lines of communication to Afghanistan when he was Commander of the US Central Command.

“I was uneasy that more than 70 per cent of NATO’s logistics lifeline depended upon one route, via Pakistan. I took one look at the map and decided we had to change the pieces on the chessboard,” he notes.

Mr. Mattis writes that in September 2011 General John Allen, having replaced Dave Petraeus as NATO commander in Afghanistan, gave a warning to the Pakistani military.

“He had learned the Haqqani terrorist group, harbored in Pakistan, was preparing a massive truck bomb. General Ashfaq Kayani, the Chief of Staff of Pakistan’s army, said he would take action.

“Two days later, that bomb detonated at a US base near Kabul, wounding seventy-seven American soldiers and killing five Afghans. A few days later, Haqqani terrorists attacked our embassy in Kabul,” he writes.

At a diplomatic function in Washington, Mr. Mattis bumped into the then Pakistani ambassador to the US Husain Haqqani, and slammed him with what he describes as “obscenity-laced” message.

“You have a Pakistan Army division headquarters in the same city as the terrorist headquarters. You say you’re not on their side, but now they attack our embassy in a raid coordinated from your side of the border. You’re supporting the very people who will kill you one day,” Mr. Mattis told Haqqani.

Referring to his bitter experience of interacting with the top Pakistani military leadership, Mr. Mattis said he concluded that America’s military interactions with Pakistan could only be transactional, based upon the specific issue at hand and what each side had to offer the other.

“Quid pro quo. Pakistan could episodically choose not to be our enemy, but it chose not to be a trusted friend or ally of the United States or NATO,” he said.

“Ultimately, it was in our common interest that we maintain a cautious, mindful relationship, with modest expectations of collaboration. We could manage our problems with Pakistan, but our divisions were too deep, and trust too shallow, to resolve them. And that is the state of our relationship to this day,” he writes.

Link: https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...ople-says-jim-mattis/article29340840.ece/amp/

 

[Syed1]

Obsession continues

 

[mmkextreme_1]

He wasn't wrong about its leaders don't care about their people. More shame for PMLN (and PPP ofcourse)!

All that has started to change.

 

[King-Misbah]

We have Imran Khan and Bajwa and they cares about us. Stop worrying about us, thank god, we are not part of you. Thanks.

 

[Stewie]

Mad Dog Mattis!!

The strategy to handle war on terror will always be controversial between us but I agree with comments on our leaders. Hopefully the situation has improved now!

 

[Pakistanian]

Mad dog mattis is out of touch, Imran Khan actually does care about Pakistan and so do the current military top brass. Old White people love making generalizations about countries/cultures they don't understand.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

This dude looks like evil incarnate.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Obsession continues

Very obsessed indeed

 

[Ronaldo7]

Hitman, maybe you could share something about Kashmir too. Maybe start by showing us how many pellet injuries have occurred

Pls stop being so obsessed about pak

 

[Hitman]

Hitman, maybe you could share something about India too

Pls stop being so obsessed about pak

Obsessed? Just because I posted a thread on Pakistan? Look at my post history, you’ll barely see me posting about Pakistan.

 

[troodon]

Pakistan is in safe hands now. I guess.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Obsessed? Just because I posted a thread on Pakistan? Look at my post history, you’ll barely see me posting about Pakistan.

You're last 2 threads have been about Pakistan and have shown them in a negative view

No thread about Kashmir...

Is it coz it doesn't fit your narrative?

 

[Lonewarrior]

he should ask to trump,obama and bush before making any crap statement. we can understand the the old hag belongs to the deep state. but they know very well who they are dealing with. so shut your dam mouth.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Your last 2 threads have been about Pakistan and have shown them in a negative view

No thread about Kashmir...

Is it coz it doesn't fit your narrative?

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]
Your*
Typo.

 

[Thomaskutty]

These are highly damning statements from Jim Mattis but not surprising of course .. Obama said the the same thing. As far as reputation and credibility goes, sadly Pakistan is right next to North Korea.

 

[PakLFC]

Correct when saying the leaders do not care about our people. What makes it "the most dangerous country in the world" is Pak's nuclear programme being the fastest growing and a threat to Israel. That IK has ended Pak fighting America's war in Afghanistan. We'd become the "friendliest country in the world" if we gave up our nukes and accepted Israel. Despite being a patriot IK is not decisive enough when it comes to crucial matters.

 

[sjahmed23]

Pakistan obviously has a reputation problem but it has done more for US than any other country in the region so that should be appreciated. Pakistanis must be vocal about who was it that helped fight soviets and brought them down.

 

[kk1992]

These are highly damning statements from Jim Mattis but not surprising of course .. Obama said the the same thing. As far as reputation and credibility goes, sadly Pakistan is right next to North Korea.

One with no bias and agenda would know Pak is nothing like North Korea.

Unlike Pak neighbors, Pakistan has never elected religious extremists to represent.

 

[sweep_shot]

Mad Dog Mattis needs to learn the art of diplomacy. He seems as incompetent as Trump.

This kind of statement doesn't help.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

These are highly damning statements from Jim Mattis but not surprising of course .. Obama said the the same thing. As far as reputation and credibility goes, sadly Pakistan is right next to North Korea.

As far as reputation and credibility goes, you have none here. Everyone is aware of your trollish nature.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

War mongerer's opinion

 

[Varun]

Pakistan's reputation has improved since 10 years ago.

In the late 2000s they were becoming a proper basket case with drones and bombs going off left, right and center. In the middle of Nawaz Sharif's reign, something changed and they are inching toward relative normalcy.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

This dude looks like evil incarnate.

Pretty much

 

[kingusama92]

Pakistan's reputation has improved since 10 years ago.

In the late 2000s they were becoming a proper basket case with drones and bombs going off left, right and center. In the middle of Nawaz Sharif's reign, something changed and they are inching toward relative normalcy.

I think there was a real change in approach after the end of 2014 (Peshawar school and Karachi airport attacks).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I found myself agreeing with his initial comments that the Pakistani leaders don't care about it's people, but then reading further it became clear that this whole interview was about how he wanted Pakistani leaders to care about American interests. After that I just skimmed through the keywords of bin Laden, Haqqani Network and terrorism.

By all means invade Pakistan and run it as an American subsidiary, I would back it, but complaint without commitment and investment is self-serving and worthless to the same people that Pakistan's leaders are accused of ignoring.

 

[Mamoon]

He is right on the money, but we will criticize him because he said what we don’t want to hear.

We are a rogue state that is largely responsible for all the geopolitical conflicts in South Asia, we destroyed the social fabric of Afghanistan for US money, and we lost any credibility that we had when Osama was found chilling half a mile from our military base in Abbottabad.

In addition, we are a broke country that is now surviving on handouts. We have failed politically, economically, strategically and socially. The latter because of allowing religious extremism and radicalism to flourish.

There is no “political leadership” in Pakistan. Imran Khan himself is just a mouthpiece of the military establishment. Just like Nawaz before him, he will stay in power for as long as he is willing to do their bidding.

The world is aware of all of this which is why we have no credibility, but within Pakistan it is obviously a different story.

Unfortunately for us, no one is foolish enough to buy our narrative and our version of the story, where we are a country of saints that has been unlucky to be sucked into other’s wars and have suffered because of the evil designs of its “enemies” who don’t want Pakistan to prosper.

In our version of the story, the military is the guardian angel of Pakistan and without its ghauris, ghaznavis, babars and other mediocre missiles named after Muslim plunderers, India and Afghanistan would have invaded Pakistan by now, so we should all line up and thank them by giving them political powers.

 

[IAJ]

^ Again trying to score cheap points among indians lol. We know all this and have heard it hundreds of times before. Come up with something new yaar.

 

[Markhor]

You served in the Trump Administration where you lost every last bit of credibility.

 

[Technics 1210]

Show me a nation where its leaders to do care about their people?

Run along Mattis.

 

[MenInG]

Show me a nation where its leaders to do care about their people?

Run along Mattis.

The irony

and the nerve of some to actually defend his statement.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hitman, maybe you could share something about Kashmir too. Maybe start by showing us how many pellet injuries have occurred

Pls stop being so obsessed about pak

Why doesnt your PM stop tweeting on India?

From Kashmir to Assam to Muslims to Dalits he seems to be obsessed with India and you say [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] is obsessed

 

[cricketjoshila]

You served in the Trump Administration where you lost every last bit of credibility.

He served in a duly elected govt of his country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Statements of Bernie Sanders are gospel truth, while Mattis has no credibility.

Lol.

 

[King-Misbah]

Why doesnt your PM stop tweeting on India?

From Kashmir to Assam to Muslims to Dalits he seems to be obsessed with India and you say [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] is obsessed

Kashmir is a disputed terroritory so let's not even say that. And Khan is only showing the wolf India is.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kashmir is a disputed terroritory so let's not even say that. And Khan is only showing the wolf India is.

Disputed between who? India and Kashmiris? Which one is Khan?

Khan is obsessed with India. If only he looked after pakistan with so much diligence.

 

[Manager101]

Statements of Bernie Sanders are gospel truth, while Mattis has no credibility.

Lol.

Statements of Mattis are gospel truth, while Bernie Sanders has no credibility.

Lol.

 

[Napa]

It is not as if Mattis is saying anything that other Americans also don't believe.



https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/23/few-americans-trust-pakistan/

The actions and behavior of the Pakistani elite has consequences.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The irony

and the nerve of some to actually defend his statement.

You will note that the defenders include one staunch supporter of the Hindu nationalist BJP party, and another who claims India is one of the safest countries for women in India in another thread. The other is the home based cheerleader, and all three are basically on the same page.

Pakistan is not a well led country, but these statements are made for America's benefit, not the people of Pakistan. Those who consider Pakistan as an enemy nation will be agreeing through patriotism for their own country.

 

[kk1992]

It is not as if Mattis is saying anything that other Americans also don't believe.

View attachment 94448

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/23/few-americans-trust-pakistan/

The actions and behavior of the Pakistani elite has consequences.

Most Americans can’t find Kansas on the Map.

Most Americans don’t know who Mattis is.

But thanks for the outdated stats to show your bias and agenda, time well spent.

 

[kk1992]

Disputed between who? India and Kashmiris? Which one is Khan?

Khan is obsessed with India. If only he looked after pakistan with so much diligence.

Your word has no value. You are just a random person.

 

[kk1992]

He is right on the money, but we will criticize him because he said what we don’t want to hear.

We are a rogue state that is largely responsible for all the geopolitical conflicts in South Asia, we destroyed the social fabric of Afghanistan for US money, and we lost any credibility that we had when Osama was found chilling half a mile from our military base in Abbottabad.

In addition, we are a broke country that is now surviving on handouts. We have failed politically, economically, strategically and socially. The latter because of allowing religious extremism and radicalism to flourish.

There is no “political leadership” in Pakistan. Imran Khan himself is just a mouthpiece of the military establishment. Just like Nawaz before him, he will stay in power for as long as he is willing to do their bidding.

The world is aware of all of this which is why we have no credibility, but within Pakistan it is obviously a different story.

Unfortunately for us, no one is foolish enough to buy our narrative and our version of the story, where we are a country of saints that has been unlucky to be sucked into other’s wars and have suffered because of the evil designs of its “enemies” who don’t want Pakistan to prosper.

In our version of the story, the military is the guardian angel of Pakistan and without its ghauris, ghaznavis, babars and other mediocre missiles named after Muslim plunderers, India and Afghanistan would have invaded Pakistan by now, so we should all line up and thank them by giving them political powers.

What is this garbage? Lol.

I’d counter it with ease but what’s the point?

 

[Lonewarrior]

He is right on the money, but we will criticize him because he said what we don’t want to hear.

We are a rogue state that is largely responsible for all the geopolitical conflicts in South Asia, we destroyed the social fabric of Afghanistan for US money, and we lost any credibility that we had when Osama was found chilling half a mile from our military base in Abbottabad.

In addition, we are a broke country that is now surviving on handouts. We have failed politically, economically, strategically and socially. The latter because of allowing religious extremism and radicalism to flourish.

There is no “political leadership” in Pakistan. Imran Khan himself is just a mouthpiece of the military establishment. Just like Nawaz before him, he will stay in power for as long as he is willing to do their bidding.

The world is aware of all of this which is why we have no credibility, but within Pakistan it is obviously a different story.

Unfortunately for us, no one is foolish enough to buy our narrative and our version of the story, where we are a country of saints that has been unlucky to be sucked into other’s wars and have suffered because of the evil designs of its “enemies” who don’t want Pakistan to prosper.

In our version of the story, the military is the guardian angel of Pakistan and without its ghauris, ghaznavis, babars and other mediocre missiles named after Muslim plunderers, India and Afghanistan would have invaded Pakistan by now, so we should all line up and thank them by giving them political powers.

looks like you have lost some patients .... so much free time you gt there.

 

[AdamM97]

Pakistan has undoubtedly done bad things like most nations but it’s very hypocritical coming from an American considering that they’re the only ones to have ever dropped nukes on a country.

Having said that, there are things Pakistan has done in the past and continues to do that we shouldn’t be proud of.

 

[AdamM97]

These are highly damning statements from Jim Mattis but not surprising of course .. Obama said the the same thing. As far as reputation and credibility goes, sadly Pakistan is right next to North Korea.

North Korea? Come on, that's a stretch.

 

[AdamM97]

It is not as if Mattis is saying anything that other Americans also don't believe.

View attachment 94448

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/23/few-americans-trust-pakistan/

The actions and behavior of the Pakistani elite has consequences.

Not surprised, most people hold the same views as their leaders. It's why most Chinese and Indonesians generally like Pakistan.

 

[Ronaldo7]

It is not as if Mattis is saying anything that other Americans also don't believe.

View attachment 94448

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/23/few-americans-trust-pakistan/

The actions and behavior of the Pakistani elite has consequences.

Since when did Americans become our "to go" people when talking about global issues?
This is mutual. Most Pakistanis don't like america and even more don't like Israel.
Unlike a lot of Indians, we don't respect people who call us "terrorists" and in your instance "curry munchers" or SS.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Disputed between who? India and Kashmiris? Which one is Khan?

Khan is obsessed with India. If only he looked after pakistan with so much diligence.

It's a disputed issue between india and pak.
I can't believe you can't understand so simple.

It IS a disputed region. No one cares what you think. That won't change the fact

 

[cricketjoshila]

Your word has no value. You are just a random person.

Khans words has no value in India,because it has no effect. Right?

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's a disputed issue between india and pak.
I can't believe you can't understand so simple.

It IS a disputed region. No one cares what you think. That won't change the fact

And anyone cares what pakistanis think? Can you name a few countries that support the pakistani view on kashmir and want to interfere?

According to Pakistan Kashmiris should decide their future. So its an issue between India and Kashmiris.

 

[Ronaldo7]

And anyone cares what pakistanis think? Can you name a few countries that support the pakistani view on kashmir and want to interfere?

According to Pakistan Kashmiris should decide their future. So its an issue between India and Kashmiris.

It doesn't matter what Pakistanis or Indians think.
The UN acknowledges it as a disputed territory so IT IS a disputed territory.
End of.

 

[Napa]

Most Americans can’t find Kansas on the Map.

Most Americans don’t know who Mattis is.

But thanks for the outdated stats to show your bias and agenda, time well spent.

1. Americans in general are ill-informed, but that doesn't explain why among two South Asian nations India ranks almost the same as America's close ally Israel, while Pakistan... well you can read the table.

2. It's not "Most Americans", Pakistan actually scores far lower among experts, 6% among government and a mind boggling 2% among retired military.

3. Attitudes change slowly, "outdated" is your delusion, the survey is only 6 years old. If you can find a newer survey than by all means present it.

 

[shockbound]

Lol at people thinking that Boot-licking Imran cares about people. Wait till you cant afford bread and clothes with your legal salaries.

 

[Ronaldo7]

1. Americans in general are ill-informed, but that doesn't explain why among two South Asian nations India ranks almost the same as America's close ally Israel, while Pakistan... well you can read the table.

2. It's not "Most Americans", Pakistan actually scores far lower among experts, 6% among government and a mind boggling 2% among retired military.

3. Attitudes change slowly, "outdated" is your delusion, the survey is only 6 years old. If you can find a newer survey than by all means present it.

Mate, It's because Pakistan is a muslim country.
Ask them about any other muslim country and they'll say the same thing.
They don't know you much so they don't have any negative opinions about you.
No need to get so happy

 

[Ronaldo7]

Lol at people thinking that Boot-licking Imran cares about people. Wait till you cant afford bread and clothes with your legal salaries.

Let's see.
But currently I don't see Imran Khan lasting 5 years as a PM so you may be right

 

[daytrader]

And anyone cares what pakistanis think? Can you name a few countries that support the pakistani view on kashmir and want to interfere?

According to Pakistan Kashmiris should decide their future. So its an issue between India and Kashmiris.

Well according to India, Kashmir is a 'bilateral' issue between India and Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

1. Americans in general are ill-informed, but that doesn't explain why among two South Asian nations India ranks almost the same as America's close ally Israel, while Pakistan... well you can read the table.

2. It's not "Most Americans", Pakistan actually scores far lower among experts, 6% among government and a mind boggling 2% among retired military.

3. Attitudes change slowly, "outdated" is your delusion, the survey is only 6 years old. If you can find a newer survey than by all means present it.

India will always bend the knee to powerful nations, it is in their nature, that is what makes them pleasing to nations like America. The "Yes sir! " One thousand apologies Sir!" mentality is most welcome even today in the UK for example.

Pakistan alas, suffers from the same arrogance as many other Muslim countries in thinking they can thumb their nose at the world, and this is what makes them unpopular.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Why doesnt your PM stop tweeting on India?

From Kashmir to Assam to Muslims to Dalits he seems to be obsessed with India and you say [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] is obsessed

Yeap, Indians can say that PM IK tweeting about India doesn't affect them. Clearly it does.

 

[Ronaldo7]

India will always bend the knee to powerful nations, it is in their nature, that is what makes them pleasing to nations like America. The "Yes sir! " One thousand apologies Sir!" mentality is most welcome even today in the UK for example.

Pakistan alas, suffers from the same arrogance as many other Muslim countries in thinking they can thumb their nose at the world, and this is what makes them unpopular.

You said exactly what I wanted to say.
Pakistanis don't like being the pets of other countries which is what makes them unpopular.
Precisely

 

[Ronaldo7]

Yeap, Indians can say that PM IK tweeting about India doesn't affect them. Clearly it does.

Looking at the replies on IK's twitter posts which are completely unrelated to Kashmir shows that the Indian twitter warriors are fully triggered.

 

[Kaptan]

India will always bend the knee to powerful nations, it is in their nature, that is what makes them pleasing to nations like America. The "Yes sir! " One thousand apologies Sir!" mentality is most welcome even today in the UK for example.

Pakistan alas, suffers from the same arrogance as many other Muslim countries in thinking they can thumb their nose at the world, and this is what makes them unpopular.

Lol Pakistan has let US drones bomb its "citizens" in the past and did not do anything. What more a country can do to please other nation ?

A foreign power bombs the hell out of your country for 14 straight years, you do nothing substantial to stop it fearing the country may stop paying you.
And at the end of the day you find out even after constant boot licking no one there actually trusts you.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Lol Pakistan has let US drones bomb its "citizens" in the past and did not do anything. What more a country can do to please other nation ?

A foreign power bombs the hell out of your country for 14 straight years, you do nothing substantial to stop it fearing the country may stop paying you.
And at the end of the day you find out even after constant boot licking no one there actually trusts you.

He's talking about the pakistani public. SMH
Before ranting at least verify what you're about to rant about

 

[Kaptan]

He's talking about the pakistani public. SMH
Before ranting at least verify what you're about to rant about

Ok now change the goal post. ) Typical

 

[Ronaldo7]

Ok now change the goal post. ) Typical

Not my problem that you can't understand simple English

 

[Napa]

Mate, It's because Pakistan is a muslim country.
Ask them about any other muslim country and they'll say the same thing.
They don't know you much so they don't have any negative opinions about you.
No need to get so happy

Actually there is another Muslim country in the list, Saudi Arabia, generally acknowledged to be the worst human rights offender. Still it outscores Pakistan by 50% to 6% among government experts, and 56% to 2% among retired military.

The survey was done about 16 months after Bin Laden was found hiding in Pakistan, so no doubt that had a major impact on the survey. But still, Pakistanis need to reflect upon their behavior if they want to earn trust.

Pakistani Army/ISI thought that Americans are dumb and they could take American money while providing arms to the Haqqani Network which kills American soldiers. This is cause of this loss of trust. People across the world are not dumb, they may stay quiet for a while for convenience, but if you lose their trust you will pay in the long run.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Actually there is another Muslim country in the list, Saudi Arabia, generally acknowledged to be the worst human rights offender. Still it outscores Pakistan by 50% to 6% among government experts, and 56% to 2% among retired military.

The survey was done about 16 months after Bin Laden was found hiding in Pakistan, so no doubt that had a major impact on the survey. But still, Pakistanis need to reflect upon their behavior if they want to earn trust.

Pakistani Army/ISI thought that Americans are dumb and they could take American money while providing arms to the Haqqani Network which kills American soldiers. This is cause of this loss of trust. People across the world are not dumb, they may stay quiet for a while for convenience, but if you lose their trust you will pay in the long run.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2012/06/27/pakistani-public-opinion-ever-more-critical-of-u-s/

This survey shows why the relations are not improving.
Pakistanis just don't hold a favourable view about America either which means both sides don't do anything to improve it.
"Death to America" has become a very common phrase in Pakistan

 

[Ronaldo7]

Actually there is another Muslim country in the list, Saudi Arabia, generally acknowledged to be the worst human rights offender. Still it outscores Pakistan by 50% to 6% among government experts, and 56% to 2% among retired military.

The survey was done about 16 months after Bin Laden was found hiding in Pakistan, so no doubt that had a major impact on the survey. But still, Pakistanis need to reflect upon their behavior if they want to earn trust.

Pakistani Army/ISI thought that Americans are dumb and they could take American money while providing arms to the Haqqani Network which kills American soldiers. This is cause of this loss of trust. People across the world are not dumb, they may stay quiet for a while for convenience, but if you lose their trust you will pay in the long run.

And the irony is that most of the terrorists involved in 9/11 were saudi arabians.
Besides the fact that it was an inside job, i would have never thought americans would rate Saudi Arabia so highly.

 

[Napa]

And the irony is that most of the terrorists involved in 9/11 were saudi arabians.
Besides the fact that it was an inside job, i would have never thought americans would rate Saudi Arabia so highly.

The terrorists were Saudis, but the Saudi government apparently was more honest in its dealings with the Americans which explains its higher ratings among government and retired military. But even their rating is poor.

Pakistan on the other hand was hiding Bin Laden and giving arms to the Haqqani Network.

 

[Green Patriot]

It's alright Jim.Sit down and relax.We are not inviting you for a visit.

 

[kk1992]

1. Americans in general are ill-informed, but that doesn't explain why among two South Asian nations India ranks almost the same as America's close ally Israel, while Pakistan... well you can read the table.

2. It's not "Most Americans", Pakistan actually scores far lower among experts, 6% among government and a mind boggling 2% among retired military.

3. Attitudes change slowly, "outdated" is your delusion, the survey is only 6 years old. If you can find a newer survey than by all means present it.

Oh lord.

Same general and politician caused the deaths of millions in the name of democracy?

You aren’t that stupid so please let’s stop pretending to be just because you want to score points.

 

[Napa]

India will always bend the knee to powerful nations, it is in their nature, that is what makes them pleasing to nations like America. The "Yes sir! " One thousand apologies Sir!" mentality is most welcome even today in the UK for example.

Pakistan alas, suffers from the same arrogance as many other Muslim countries in thinking they can thumb their nose at the world, and this is what makes them unpopular.

Yeah, sure. If you can't be trusted it must be because you will not "bend the knee".

Submissive people do not become leaders and CEOs like Indians do. Continue living in your delusional world.

 

[Ronaldo7]

The terrorists were Saudis, but the Saudi government apparently was more honest in its dealings with the Americans which explains its higher ratings among government and retired military. But even their rating is poor.

Pakistan on the other hand was hiding Bin Laden and giving arms to the Haqqani Network.

When you're so deep in sh-, you have to do something for face saving. This is precisely what Saudi Arabia did

 

[Ronaldo7]

Yeah, sure. If you can't be trusted it must be because you will not "bend the knee".

Submissive people do not become leaders and CEOs like Indians do. Continue living in your delusional world.

Your country's been ruled by foreigners for centuries.
Submissive and bootlickers are the two best words to describe you lot. A large majority at least. Indian sikhs are not the same as the rest and I appreciate that

 

[Napa]

Your country's been ruled by foreigners for centuries.
Submissive and bootlickers are the two best words to describe you lot. A large majority at least. Indian sikhs are not the same as the rest and I appreciate that

I assume the Brits, the French, the Japanese and the Israelis must also be submissive and bootlikcers as they also score high on trustworthiness like Indians.

If a survey says Pakistanis can't be trusted, your response is to abuse Indians. Your future is definitely very bright.

 

[Ronaldo7]

I assume the Brits, the French, the Japanese and the Israelis must also be submissive and bootlikcers as they also score high on trustworthiness like Indians.

If a survey says Pakistanis can't be trusted, your response is to abuse Indians. Your future is definitely very bright.

Well, they're not.
The british ruled the world for many years.
The Japanese prided themselves in their self respect and refused to surrender to the US until well, they bombed the s**t out of them and the Japanese civilians were ready to die instead of surrendering.
Israel took on the whole arab subcontinent and beat them in 6 days. Their people defended their lands whether I like it or not
The French... well, the less said about them the better
Anything else you want to know?

 

[Napa]

Well, they're not.
The british ruled the world for many years.
The Japanese prided themselves in their self respect and refused to surrender to the US until well, they bombed the s**t out of them and the Japanese civilians were ready to die instead of surrendering.
Israel took on the whole arab subcontinent and beat them in 6 days. Their people defended their lands whether I like it or not
The French... well, the less said about them the better
Anything else you want to know?

But, but, but... I thought scoring high on trustworthiness meant that you are submissive and a bootlicker.

Your sarcasm detector needs fixing.

 

[Ronaldo7]

But, but, but... I thought scoring high on trustworthiness meant that you are submissive and a bootlicker.

Your sarcasm detector needs fixing.

You're the exception.
You lot are bootlickers.
At least the other countries pride themselves over their traditions and identities and don't change just so they can pls their masters.

 

[rhony]

Pakistan needs to get out of this Jihadi business. I thought they were done with it but now it's back on again with the Taliban mediation and kashmiri rhetoric. Rest of the world has a terrible view of Jihadis and rightly so. When one supports them, they get viewed the same way. Got a good leader in Imran, army seems to be reined in, ISI lost all credibility after recent moves. This is the perfect time to start afresh and get rid of that tag. The same Jihadi tag is responsible for low FDI as well. It is culturally, economically and politically bad for Pakistan to keep supporting these archaic numbnuts.

 

[rhony]

You're the exception.
You lot are bootlickers.
At least the other countries pride themselves over their traditions and identities and don't change just so they can pls their masters.

You must be a newbie. Check how Pakistan was culturally and economically before the Jihadi grooming. Pak was better than India, it's leaders sophisticated and palling with Western powers. Pakistan could have been where China is now. With population much lower, you could have been an industrial power house like a Korea or Japan or Taiwan. Instead you made a series of bad moves and changed your identity.

 

[Major]

Agree with this guy.

The day bin laden was found in the country was a day og big shame.
Many pakistani posters ignore this, but having bin laden found in Pakistan was not some small thing.

It proved to the world, infact we were finally exposed for backing terrorists.
Another thing that happened that year was the agencies killing saleem shezad for exposing the truth.

It is quite embarrassing when you read how obama disnt even bother to inform the Pakistani govt about their findings due to mistrust and due to the fact that the establishment was involved in hiding Bin laden when he was reported to be found in islamabad. When the islamabad report was shared with the pakistani govt, the guy was trasnported out of that house where it was assumed he was living.

You guys dont even know the fraud we were doing with NATO.
Often the products that were supposed to be transported on the NATO trucks those products would end up making it to the shelf of grocery stores in Rawalpindi. There were products that had specially been labelled as to be sold in UK only.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Lol Pakistan has let US drones bomb its "citizens" in the past and did not do anything. What more a country can do to please other nation ?

A foreign power bombs the hell out of your country for 14 straight years, you do nothing substantial to stop it fearing the country may stop paying you.
And at the end of the day you find out even after constant boot licking no one there actually trusts you.

Bend the knee like India. Why would USA bomb Pakistani territory unless it was insubordinate to American wishes? India is like the house servants of the old slave trade era in USA. They know if they don't upset the master power, they will be allowed a few extra crusts of bread. The slaves who refused to bend the knee got a good whupping.