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Michael Atherton believes Pakistan have been roused by New Zealand and England's aborted tours of the country after starting their T20 World Cup campaign with a 10-wicket drubbing of India.

Pakistan claimed a first win over India in World Cup cricket in 13 attempts when they overcame Virat Kohli's pre-tournament favourites in Dubai.

Sky Sports Cricket commentator and former England captain Atherton always felt Babar Azam's side had the talent to challenge for a second T20 World Cup title and first since 2009.

But he thinks Pakistan have been motivated by New Zealand pulling out of a white-ball series to their nation on security grounds and England then not visiting the country for a joint men's and women's tour, with the ECB saying the decision was based on the "mental and physical well-being of our players and support staff".

Atherton told the Sky Cricket Podcast: "Given what happened before the tournament with New Zealand pulling out of a tour and England not going there, there was a sense of grievance that can push a team a long way.

"If you get your team together and feel slightly aggrieved that can give you a sense of motivation. It was great to see them play so well. It was a fantastic victory and they look a very dangerous side.

"I certainly had them in the semi-finals and from there anything can happen. They have got some game-changing players in there.

"There is no greater sight than watching a fast bowler run in, as Shaheen Shah Afridi was doing against India, producing some fantastic deliveries to get rid of Rohit Sharma and KL Rahul.

"They have lots of other wonderful players and a really varied attack, as they often do.

"They played better and more aggressive cricket than India. You can say it was an advantage batting second with the dew falling but they definitely played better."

Shaheen trapped Rohit lbw for a golden duck in the first over of Sunday's clash with India and then bowled his opening partner KL Rahul for just three in his second over and the game's third.

CrizViz analyst Freddie Wilde, who joined Atherton and Rob Key on the Sky Cricket Podcast, said:
"Jasprit Bumrah and Jofra Archer, for me, are the best fast bowlers in the world in T20 cricket but Shaheen is next on that list.

"He is phenomenal, particularly in the powerplay. He is a powerplay specialist, as we saw against India. He bowls full, fast and targets the stumps.

"Wickets are at their most valuable in the powerplay - on average, it reduces the opposition's total by about 13 runs if you take a wicket in the first over.

"Pakistan were right to give him three overs up front when he had his tail up. If he had got Virat Kohli out then, that innings would have taken on a very different complexion.

"Shaheen is fantastic and I hope Pakistan continue to use him as aggressively as they did against India. He is an X-factor player, their best player."

Shaheen went on to dismiss Kohli for 57 in the penultimate over of India's innings, before Mohammad Rizwan (79 not out from 55 balls) and captain Babar (68no from 52) guided Pakistan to their target of 152 with 13 balls remaining.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...d-new-zealand-tours-believes-michael-atherton
 
Athers is right. Pak must use NZ and England's treatment to motivate themselves not to feel sorry for themselves. Without Pak the game of Cricket will be much the poorer.
 
Usual romanticized bakwaas by the cheerleader #2. Has cheerleader #1 Nasser Hussain come up with his usual cliches yet?
 
Usual romanticized bakwaas by the cheerleader #2. Has cheerleader #1 Nasser Hussain come up with his usual cliches yet?

He is right.

Pakistan are still a great team. Indians and others don't want to play us a home, we will smash them away in your home or any venue!

India humiliated. NZ and Eng will face the same fait.

Please sharpen the cutlery before you watch. :ns
 
Usual romanticized bakwaas by the cheerleader #2. Has cheerleader #1 Nasser Hussain come up with his usual cliches yet?

The same could be said about your bitter, politically motivated rubbish. I rather listen to a Cambridge educated ex England Captain, universally accepted to be the best commentator in World cricket over some random loser who can't even remember what he writes.
 
Why would the cricviz analyst think Jofra is top tier, Bumrah yes but why jofra in the same tier?
 
well ... if that's what motivates Pakistan to a point that they annihilate the Indian team then PCB should fire all the coaching staff, and pay the other team to schedule a tour to Pakistan and cancel it at the eleventh hour.
 
Usual romanticized bakwaas by the cheerleader #2. Has cheerleader #1 Nasser Hussain come up with his usual cliches yet?

What kind of nonsense is this? Oh wait, it’s just Mamoon screaming into his echo chamber.
 
These guys actually cheerlead heavily for India. I watched the whole show and they spoke very briefly about Pakistan, the rest of the time was spent hyping up India's failure youngsters.
 
Will you ever be happy for Pakistan mate?

Some people pray for Pk defeats just to be proved right. It looks good when PK has a poor team but with Babar in the team we will have a chance against all the teams most of the time. This guy is just bitter.
 
Usual romanticized bakwaas by the cheerleader #2. Has cheerleader #1 Nasser Hussain come up with his usual cliches yet?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nasser Hussain "If you are going to wait this long to beat India in a World Cup game, you might as well do it special, by 10 wickets" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1452327297697075220?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Usual romanticized bakwaas by the cheerleader #2. Has cheerleader #1 Nasser Hussain come up with his usual cliches yet?

oh look indias number 1 bhangra cheerleader and loud mouth is back. Not still licking your wounds?

pakistan indeed should use NZ and Eng pathetic behaviour towards them as motivation. They both need a good reality slap just like you got urs on sunday.
 
Will you ever be happy for Pakistan mate?

He's scared to be happy. I know this type. They don't want to pin their hopes on something or someone because they can't handle the heartbreak that comes with it. Instead, they choose to see doom and gloom all the time to numb themselves. These people are actually the most invested too. Why do you think this guy spends most of his day here?

It's a coping mechanism bro.
 
well ... if that's what motivates Pakistan to a point that they annihilate the Indian team then PCB should fire all the coaching staff, and pay the other team to schedule a tour to Pakistan and cancel it at the eleventh hour.

Don't be so naive. Motivation, both intrinsic and extrinisic, is a product of quite a few different subsets of things.

Yes, obviously, every cricket team has intrinsic motivation to win games, but feeling undervalued, underestimated and let down by others can undoubtedly be a massive factor that boosts the existing motivation. This isn't just true for cricket or sports, but for all kinds of roles in all walks of life.
 
Yeah, obviously it didn't have to do with being good batsmen or bowlers or anything.

Sometimes I feel these English cricket folks live in Lala-land. When you anoint 30/40-averaging hacks as your legends I suppose you can't expect too much expertise.
 
Yeah, obviously it didn't have to do with being good batsmen or bowlers or anything.

Sometimes I feel these English cricket folks live in Lala-land. When you anoint 30/40-averaging hacks as your legends I suppose you can't expect too much expertise.

Higher Average =/= Cricketing Acumen.

A good example is someone like Younis Khan. Would you consider him a better analyst of the Test game or Dhoni?
 
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Higher Average =/= Cricketing Acumen.

A good example is someone like Younis Khan. Would you consider him a better analyst of the Test game or Dhoni?

To be fair, Dhoni was a really poor Test captain and our team regressed under his captaincy. All the laurels that we have won in test cricket in the recent years have been under Virat's captaincy or at least the team he moulded. Dhoni created a team of spinners and dibbly dobblers to tour Australia.
 
Pakistan won because they played better than India on the the day and capitalized on winning a favorable toss.

It had nothing to do with New Zealand and England abandoning their tours.

Pakistan winning the toss + playing better cricket than India would have produced a win regardless of whether New Zealand and England toured Pakistan or not.

Atherton needs to stop reading romantic novels.

The issue is that guys like Atherton and the other English gentlemen from the 90’s suffer perpetual PTSD when it comes to Pakistan cricket, because these guys were tormented by Wasim and Waqar both in international and county cricket.

They are probably still getting nightmares having their stumps uprooted in their sleep.

As a result, they attach romanticism and drama to everything associated with Pakistan cricket: cliches, exaggerations, sensationalism etc.

It is hilarious and ridiculous at the same time.
 
Pakistan won because they played better than India on the the day and capitalized on winning a favorable toss.

It had nothing to do with New Zealand and England abandoning their tours.

Pakistan winning the toss + playing better cricket than India would have produced a win regardless of whether New Zealand and England toured Pakistan or not.

Atherton needs to stop reading romantic novels.

The issue is that guys like Atherton and the other English gentlemen from the 90’s suffer perpetual PTSD when it comes to Pakistan cricket, because these guys were tormented by Wasim and Waqar both in international and county cricket.

They are probably still getting nightmares having their stumps uprooted in their sleep.

As a result, they attach romanticism and drama to everything associated with Pakistan cricket: cliches, exaggerations, sensationalism etc.

It is hilarious and ridiculous at the same time.

We all know youve been praying non stop since sunday so that pakistan lose to NZ or Afghanistan. Then you can go on your childish rants on how pakistan team lost focus or were arrogant after india win.

So now all of a sudden the toss was important?

The game was won like most games in UAE (23 out of 30 games in IPL as recent example) by the team scoring most & doing well in 1st 6 overs (powerplay).

must hurt you that some foreigners can give pakistan praise. while others pretending to be pakistanis cant.

Finish the rest of your humble pie and just enjoy todays game.
 
To be fair, Dhoni was a really poor Test captain and our team regressed under his captaincy. All the laurels that we have won in test cricket in the recent years have been under Virat's captaincy or at least the team he moulded. Dhoni created a team of spinners and dibbly dobblers to tour Australia.

I think the reason behind India's recent rise and better overseas performances in Test cricket is more nuanced than just VK's captaincy.

Better grassroots training of fast bowlers, aggressive mindset, self-belief, etc. were all massive factors. Yes, VK may be at the helm, but lots of work BTS.

Let me rephrase it this way, do you think Dhoni or VK is the better judge/analyst of the game? We can play around with semantics and get bogged down in crevices, but most would agree that Dhoni is the superior circketing mind, despite not being as prolific as VK in pure batting.

Another example is how someone like Kerry O'Keefe is easily the more technical and better analyst compared to someone like Shane Warne/Mark Waugh.
 
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Yeah, obviously it didn't have to do with being good batsmen or bowlers or anything.

Sometimes I feel these English cricket folks live in Lala-land. When you anoint 30/40-averaging hacks as your legends I suppose you can't expect too much expertise.

Do we? For examples?
 
The issue is that guys like Atherton and the other English gentlemen from the 90’s suffer perpetual PTSD when it comes to Pakistan cricket, because these guys were tormented by Wasim and Waqar both in international and county cricket.

Nasser (with Atherton piling the runs on) beat Pakistan away. Can’t be that traumatised.

They are just being fair-minded.
 
Usual romanticized bakwaas by the cheerleader #2. Has cheerleader #1 Nasser Hussain come up with his usual cliches yet?

Atherton and Nasser two top pundits.They understand cricket better than many.They have very sharp minds.
 
Nasser (with Atherton piling the runs on) beat Pakistan away. Can’t be that traumatised.

They are just being fair-minded.

This poster that you have responded to has a political angle on everything. If they backed his opinions, he would be quoting them everyday.
 
Oh no, Mamoon once again pretending he watched Atherton and Hussain in the 90s.

2 of the best commentators vs. a guy born in 1992. Hmmm, I wonder who has more insight?

Hussain and Athers have been spot on with their cricket, and you only have to read Ather’s column in The Times to see what great insight and understanding he has. The 2 are credited for turning round English cricket for the better.
 
Michael Atherton - award winning cricket writer
Michael Vaughan - won England’s first ashes in god knows how long
Nasser Hussain - captained first overseas team to win in Karachi
Andrew Flintoff - very similar averages to Ravi shastri
Andrew Strauss - white washed india 4-0 and took england to number 1

All are well within their rights to comment on cricketing matters just like the clowns from the subcontinent who open YouTube channels after a couple of caps and start spouting nonsense.
 
All are well within their rights to comment on cricketing matters just like the clowns from the subcontinent who open YouTube channels after a couple of caps and start spouting nonsense.

Of course they are. Just like the rest of us are obligated to opine that they are living in Lala-land.
 
Michael Atherton
Michael Vaughan
Nasser Hussain
Andrew Flintoff
Andrew Strauss

Well, Nasser and Vaughan were excellent skippers. Vaughan had a brilliant years in which he scored eight centuries including three in Australia but his batting fell away when he became skipper.

Atherton and Nasser are excellent journalists.

Flintoff - had three very good years as an allrounder, else a bit short of test class.

Strauss - scored twenty test hundreds, captained the #1 test side and won in Australia.

None of these are considered legends by the English, though some were very good.
 
Yeah, obviously it didn't have to do with being good batsmen or bowlers or anything.

Sometimes I feel these English cricket folks live in Lala-land. When you anoint 30/40-averaging hacks as your legends I suppose you can't expect too much expertise.
I'm amazed at how personal you get with Nasser and Atherton which is actually a reflection on your character.

I agree some of the English pundits like Botham (who had a more impressive career than those two - he alone proving playing ability doesn't correspond to commentating skill) and Vaughan are insufferable, but those two are the most objective and analytical (sometimes overly) there are.

As always your sarcastic and flippant statements just reveal your flat out ignorance. I actually just watched the complete video and the headline is literally one comment from the whole analysis.

He went on to say Pakistan have a balanced bowling attack and the importance of the toss decision, amongst other things.

Try to allow facts to overcome your internal anti-English bias sometimes.
 
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Kiwis Humbled, revenge taken.

I think this is the start of Pakistan Era, Rambo being Team Manager and kicking out Misbah and Waqar players got their Jazba Junoon. This is the Bullrun year 👀
 
He is right.

Pakistan are still a great team. Indians and others don't want to play us a home, we will smash them away in your home or any venue!

India humiliated. NZ and Eng will face the same fait.

Please sharpen the cutlery before you watch. :ns

India down, New Zealand down!

England in the Semis or final are next!
 
Glad we beat NZ today, they deserved there loss after crying off during pakistan tour.
 
Pakistan definitely seem more focused and charged up now.

Those aborted tours probably have fired them up (and rightly so).
 
Oh no, Mamoon once again pretending he watched Atherton and Hussain in the 90s.

2 of the best commentators vs. a guy born in 1992. Hmmm, I wonder who has more insight?

Hussain and Athers have been spot on with their cricket, and you only have to read Ather’s column in The Times to see what great insight and understanding he has. The 2 are credited for turning round English cricket for the better.

I think Mamoon has also watched Imran Khan bowl live in the 80s.
 
I think Kiwis will loose to Afghanistan and I won't be surprised if they make it to the Semis. Afghans are built for T20 🤝
 
AFG should comfortably beat NZ and Ind

India will be tough, it will be a hard fought battle. I don't see Kiwis handling Rashid Khan, Mujeeb & Nabi in UAE. Afghanistan scores 150+, i see Kiwis getting bundled out below 100.

New Zealand vs India is a self destruct match, If India wins they go through but if Kiwis wins then they are spoiling it for India.

It's between India and Afghanistan to take the second spot. 👀
 
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