Pakistan PM Shahid Khaqan Abbasi put through security check in US

[Bubby]

Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi had to undergo a routine security check at a US airport during a recent visit, an 'indignity' that has enraged the Pakistani media amid reports that the Trump administration is considering imposing visa bans and other sanctions on individuals in the Pakistani government.

Washington also announced sanctions on Monday on seven Pakistani companies over suspicion they have links to the nuclear trade, signaling a further downturn in ties.

Footage aired on Pakistani TV channels over the past two days shows Abbasi picking up his bag and coat and walking out from a security check at what they said was an American airport. Abbasi was in the US last week on a private trip to visit his ailing sister but he also met vice-president Mike Pence in an unscheduled engagement at which he was bluntly told Pakistani has to do more to address concerns about its nurturing of terrorist groups.

But it was the sight of the country’s prime minister being subjected to a security check that drove Pakistani TV anchors apoplectic. "He should be ashamed for saying he went on a private visit. He is the prime minister… he has a diplomatic passport …there is no such thing as a private visit. He is representing the country… there are certain protocols when you are representing 22 crore people," roared one talking head, saying Pakistan had been humiliated and Abbasi had brought shame on the country.

The US smackdown came even as Foreign Policy magazine reported that the Trump administration is 'weighing unprecedented political penalties' on Islamabad for harbouring Afghan militants waging war on the US-backed government in Afghanistan.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-as-ties-deteriorate/articleshow/63493895.cms

 

[DW44]

The 220 million people figure is meaningless. On this particular stage, nation states are treated according to their economic heft, not the number of people they have though the latter can add to the former if the number of people is something ridiculous like in India or China. For all the talk of Pakistan's dignity and sanctity, Pakistan doesn't have much of either to begin with since both of those things are backed by the country's economic power and Pakistan's economy in a global context is, and will remain, a bad joke.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is atrocious. Pathetic.

He is a PM of a country. His personal space is invoiable. He cannot be touched under any circumstances.

Sorry [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] i do not agree with you.

 

[DW44]

This is atrocious. Pathetic.

He is a PM of a country. His personal space is invoiable. He cannot be touched under any circumstances.

Sorry [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] i do not agree with you.

This is not at all uncommon. Where you're from plays a role in determining how you're treated. There are known cases of representatives from smaller third world countries being physically removed from WTO closed door sessions. Whether or not it's right or wrong is irrelevant unless you can do something about it, which Pakistan can't, and if you can't, the only thing that's right is might.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is not at all uncommon. Where you're from plays a role in determining how you're treated. There are known cases of representatives from smaller third world countries being physically removed from WTO closed door sessions. Whether or not it's right or wrong is irrelevant unless you can do something about it, which Pakistan can't, and if you can't, the only thing that's right is might.

Representative being removed from a WTO meeting is different from a sitting Head of the state being strip searched. He has a A1 visa and he cannot be touched. As simple as that. No exceptions.

If US refuses to grant protocol to the PM, any reason why Pakistan should grant protocol to US diplomats?

 

[English August]

This is atrocious. Pathetic.

He is a PM of a country. His personal space is invoiable. He cannot be touched under any circumstances.

Sorry [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] i do not agree with you.

I agree it's crude and shouldn't be done to a PM of a country, even though he's a puppet PM. But it's a clear sign that the noose is tightening. This is what happens when you treat OBL like a honored guest and call Hafeez Saeed 'saheb' a social worker.

Not that it will make any difference. This guy is a nobody in Pak power structure, where everything is controlled by the army and ISI.

Would be good to see reactions from keyboard warriors who were telling us that FATF grey-listing means nothing.

 

[English August]

Representative being removed from a WTO meeting is different from a sitting Head of the state being strip searched. He has a A1 visa and he cannot be touched. As simple as that. No exceptions.

If US refuses to grant protocol to the PM, any reason why Pakistan should grant protocol to US diplomats?

Pak is well within its rights to mount a diplomatic counter-measure. Let's see whether they do it.

 

[Madplayer]

I can't believe it. This is unheard of.

Has it been done before to any sitting head ever??

 

[cricketjoshila]

I agree it's crude and shouldn't be done to a PM of a country, even though he's a puppet PM. But it's a clear sign that the noose is tightening. This is what happens when you treat OBL like a honored guest and call Hafeez Saeed 'saheb' a social worker.

Not that it will make any difference. This guy is a nobody in Pak power structure, where everything is controlled by the army and ISI.

Would be good to see reactions from keyboard warriors who were telling us that FATF grey-listing means nothing.

Noose etc etc have no meaning when the Head of the state is on a visit, private of otherwise. He cannot be touched.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I can't believe it. This is unheard of.

Has it been done before to any sitting head ever??

Havent heard of either. This is utter nonsense. He is the PM for gods sake. And how is there no security protocol for the PM of a nuclear country? This is beyond me.

 

[Madplayer]

Havent heard of either. This is utter nonsense. He is the PM for gods sake. And how is there no security protocol for the PM of a nuclear country? This is beyond me.

I feel the same. Even a PM of uganda or some insignificant country cannot be touched.

Do you expect a reaction from Pakistan? I certainly don't expect any strong reaction. Maybe a tweet of condemnation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I feel the same. Even a PM of uganda or some insignificant country cannot be touched.

Do you expect a reaction from Pakistan? I certainly don't expect any strong reaction. Maybe a tweet of condemnation.

Pakistan will not react to this? Really? If it doesnot it can mean only two things,

1. Pakistani PM is a nobody in Pakistan and all authority rests with someone else. The facade of civilian supremacy is gone. If the civilian head of state is roaming around in US with no security, who has the finger on the nuclear button? What the hell is happening?

2. Pakistan has accepted that US will do whatever it wants and they have to accept.

Btw such behaviour even with a diplomat will not be tolerated by any country. This is a sitting head of state. I am shocked Pakistan hasnot reacted yet. There should be a strong reaction.

 

[TM Riddle]

WOW that was quite shocking and unheard of!
Extremely poor from US authorities. Really really poor behavior no matter how you look at it.

 

[TM Riddle]

I feel the same. Even a PM of uganda or some insignificant country cannot be touched.

Do you expect a reaction from Pakistan? I certainly don't expect any strong reaction. Maybe a tweet of condemnation.

I remember SRK getting detained at Nevada airport a few years back and there was a huge uproar and outrage in India with media calling for similar sort of behavior for Hollywood giants who visit India.
Now that was SRK, a pathetic actor with no power outside India but this is PM of Pakistan we are talking about. I would be really really surprised if Pak authorities brush it off under the rug.

 

[Madplayer]

Pakistan will not react to this? Really? If it doesnot it can mean only two things,

1. Pakistani PM is a nobody in Pakistan and all authority rests with someone else. The facade of civilian supremacy is gone. If the civilian head of state is roaming around in US with no security, who has the finger on the nuclear button? What the hell is happening?

2. Pakistan has accepted that US will do whatever it wants and they have to accept.

Btw such behaviour even with a diplomat will not be tolerated by any country. This is a sitting head of state. I am shocked Pakistan hasnot reacted yet. There should be a strong reaction.

We will have to wait and see what happens. However, i really dont know how Pakistani government wil react. Last time US laid down some serious accusations on them and their response was embarrassing to say the least. Dont expect much this time either. They should react otherwise it will become a standard procedure for other western nations doing the same to their head of state.

 

[Madplayer]

I remember SRK getting detained at Nevada airport a few years back and there was a huge uproar and outrage in India with media calling for similar sort of behavior for Hollywood giants who visit India.
Now that was SRK, a pathetic actor with no power outside India but this is PM of Pakistan we are talking about. I would be really really surprised if Pak authorities brush it off under the rug.

Dont think they will brush it under the carpet but it would most likely be a meek response.

Any other country and this thread would have been blown up by posts. That should tell you about Pak PM's reputation in eyes of Pakistanis themselves. Lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

We will have to wait and see what happens. However, i really dont know how Pakistani government wil react. Last time US laid down some serious accusations on them and their response was embarrassing to say the least. Dont expect much this time either. They should react otherwise it will become a standard procedure for other western nations doing the same to their head of state.

Accusation is one thing. Treating the PM like this is another. They cant even touch Kim Jong Un like this if he visits NY for a visit to UN.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Dont think they will brush it under the carpet but it would most likely be a meek response.

Any other country and this thread would have been blown up by posts. That should tell you about Pak PM's reputation in eyes of Pakistanis themselves. Lol

The insult is not to a person, but the chair and the country in which he holds the position.

 

[Madplayer]

Accusation is one thing. Treating the PM like this is another. They cant even touch Kim Jong Un like this if he visits NY for a visit to UN.

True. Cannot look at it in any other way. Its shameful and embarrassing. Deserves an outcry. Deserves rage. I just dont expect it though.

 

[Madplayer]

The insult is not to a person, but the chair and the country in which he holds the position.

Dont think Pakistani public is politically mature enough to make that distinction. But lets see.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistan will not react to this? Really? If it doesnot it can mean only two things,

1. Pakistani PM is a nobody in Pakistan and all authority rests with someone else. The facade of civilian supremacy is gone. If the civilian head of state is roaming around in US with no security, who has the finger on the nuclear button? What the hell is happening?

2. Pakistan has accepted that US will do whatever it wants and they have to accept.

Btw such behaviour even with a diplomat will not be tolerated by any country. This is a sitting head of state. I am shocked Pakistan hasnot reacted yet. There should be a strong reaction.

It's going to be that one. It has long been obvious that Pakistan was a client state for the US, probably the sole reason they have never been attacked like Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan. These sort of moves are probably warning shots across their bow not to get too cosy with China and Russia at the expense of American interests. Pakistan will have more tough choices to make in the coming years.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's going to be that one. It has long been obvious that Pakistan was a client state for the US, probably the sole reason they have never been attacked like Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan. These sort of moves are probably warning shots across their bow not to get too cosy with China and Russia at the expense of American interests. Pakistan will have more tough choices to make in the coming years.

Come on now. I dont have great love for the Pakistani state(Dont mistake it with the country) but this is third rate treatment. But this atleast deserves condemnation. Revoke the protocol of US diplomats.

Warning shots? This is pathetic. He is the sitting head of state. This is utter crass behaviour.

 

[Slog]

I remember SRK getting detained at Nevada airport a few years back and there was a huge uproar and outrage in India with media calling for similar sort of behavior for Hollywood giants who visit India.
Now that was SRK, a pathetic actor with no power outside India but this is PM of Pakistan we are talking about. I would be really really surprised if Pak authorities brush it off under the rug.

He is a puppet tho. Like even in civilian govt. structure he is a puppet. So imagine how powerless he is once you include the military establishment in the mix

But at the end of the day he is still the official PM of a country

 

[www787]

If they can't stand up for their diplomatic rights then how are these corrupt puppet will stand up for the ordinary citizens?

I have no respect for Modi due to the breathing space he has given to radicalism in Indian politics. But, you have to give him prop for standing up for his diplomatic rights after he was banned from travelling to certain countries.

Pakistan will do nothing in return.

 

[Yossarian]

Perhaps he also few economy class, using a non-diplomatic passport, without any assistants or bodyguards, and was trying to make the visit very low key

Just joking.

On a serious note: Considering that even on a 'private visit', he would have been traveling with a whole entourage including personal security guards, and for him to be pulled to one side, taken to a room and security checked, it means that this came from the very top of the U.S. Government. Possibly Mike Pence himself, or even Trump.

.... but he also met vice-president Mike Pence in an unscheduled engagement at which he was bluntly told Pakistani has to do more to address concerns about its nurturing of terrorist groups.

Yep. It was all preplanned from the very top.

 

[JaDed]

Unfortunate,US is a bully , the bullying culture is ingrained here that it's not even funny, having said there are lot of people that are on the other side and very mindful of others rights, but the ones who are worse make 50% of decisions that matter.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Perhaps he also few economy class, using a non-diplomatic passport, without any assistants or bodyguards, and was trying to make the visit very low key

Just joking.

On a serious note: Considering that even on a 'private visit', he would have been traveling with a whole entourage including personal security guards, and for him to be pulled to one side, taken to a room and security checked, it means that this came from the very top of the U.S. Government. Possibly Mike Pence himself, or even Trump.

Yep. It was all preplanned from the very top.

Videos dont show any entourage. Was he having one?

Btw a Head of State whether on official or private visit is to get full diplomatic protocol and immunity. Thats the vienna convention. US has to follow it. There can be no exceptions. To pull aside a the PM of a country and ask him to remove his coat, frisk him, one video shows him tightening his trouser belt is unacceptable.

Every diplomat in Pak Embassy in Washington enjoys diplomatic immunity. Even they cannot be touched. If US is violating this then what is the safety of those diplomats?

Pakistan must retaliate.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Unfortunate,US is a bully , the bullying culture is ingrained here that it's not even funny, having said there are lot of people that are on the other side and very mindful of others rights, but the ones who are worse make 50% of decisions that matter.

You have to stand up to the bully. Retaliating diplomatically is the way.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Come on now. I dont have great love for the Pakistani state(Dont mistake it with the country) but this is third rate treatment. But this atleast deserves condemnation. Revoke the protocol of US diplomats.

Warning shots? This is pathetic. He is the sitting head of state. This is utter crass behaviour.

Obviously the US don't consider him a genuine head of state, which only confirms what many of us already suspected, hence my frequent use of the term client state when discussing Pakistan in relation to the United States. Pakistan govt might make some token protest, but I would expect they would quietly accept it in reality, they are already too much in debt to the US both financially and politically to do much else.

 

[Gubol123]

Havent heard of either. This is utter nonsense. He is the PM for gods sake. And how is there no security protocol for the PM of a nuclear country? This is beyond me.

what nuclear country has got to with it. even if BD/SL PM visits his/her diplomatic visa needs to be recognized and protocol followed. Pak can and should protest and take steps.. But if we are being practical we know, no one will do anything for this PM's sake.. he is as rubber stamp as they come.. no one in the army will try to displease US for a rubber stamp. and for any protest to happen civilian govt has to get a go ahead from army as it is the army which controls the foreign policy in Pak.. so forget about any major steps.. there might be some feeble protests for the public consumption sake

 

[Gubol123]

Pakistan will not react to this? Really? If it doesnot it can mean only two things,

1. Pakistani PM is a nobody in Pakistan and all authority rests with someone else. The facade of civilian supremacy is gone. If the civilian head of state is roaming around in US with no security, who has the finger on the nuclear button? What the hell is happening?

2. Pakistan has accepted that US will do whatever it wants and they have to accept.

Btw such behaviour even with a diplomat will not be tolerated by any country. This is a sitting head of state. I am shocked Pakistan hasnot reacted yet. There should be a strong reaction.

Pakistan PM is generally a nobody and more so in this case right CJ? with Nawaaz there was atleast a careflly constructed facade.. there is nothing like that here.. this current pm is a real rubber stamp.. i don't if he can even pull up a low level general

Pakistan has accepted long back that US will do whatever it wants and US has done whatever it wants like bombings, drone attacks, twisting arms politically, etc. China will/are do/doing the same. Unless Pak stands on its own feet and doesn't expect anyones charity this will continue.. They keep jumping from one's lap to another.

 

[Varun]

Considering that the current PM of Pakistan is a bit of a no-name, it's not all that surprising on part of the ever petrified USA.

 

[Yossarian]

Videos dont show any entourage. Was he having one?.

Can't imagine a PM, no matter how useless he might be, of a country the size of Pakistan (and prone to potential assassination attempts) not having personal security/protection.

As for an entourage, even a useless PM of Pakistan is not going to simply rely upon a mobile phone in his inside pocket for his only means of communication with other members of his government, senior civil servants, military leaders etc. in case a situation arises and he needs to be in contact with them.

The impression being given is that he had to wait in line and get his own luggage from the carousel, load it onto a trolly, go through customs and then hail a cab.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Can't imagine a PM, no matter how useless he might be, of a country the size of Pakistan (and prone to potential assassination attempts) not having personal security/protection.

As for an entourage, even a useless PM of Pakistan is not going to simply rely upon a mobile phone in his inside pocket for his only means of communication with other members of his government, senior civil servants, military leaders etc. in case a situation arises and he needs to be in contact with them.

The impression being given is that he had to wait in line and get his own luggage from the carousel, load it onto a trolly, go through customs and then hail a cab.

He is the official PM of a nuclear country. Widely accepted theory is that the Head of state carries the nuke authorisation or atleast a part of it on his person. So if he was travelling without security and other protocol then its a risk to Pakistani security.

Considering he met Pence i believe he had a entourage with him. I cant believe they pulled him aside and searched him.

 

[Pakistanian]

Considering that the current PM of Pakistan is a bit of a no-name, it's not all that surprising on part of the ever petrified USA.

Lol yeah they were probably scared of a 6'3 bearded brown man

 

[cricketjoshila]

Obviously the US don't consider him a genuine head of state, which only confirms what many of us already suspected, hence my frequent use of the term client state when discussing Pakistan in relation to the United States. Pakistan govt might make some token protest, but I would expect they would quietly accept it in reality, they are already too much in debt to the US both financially and politically to do much else.

He is still officially the PM.

I am surprised you and almost every person from Pakistan (origin) is readily accepting that US will treat Pakistan with impunity even go as far as to publically humiliate the sitting PM.

Tell me would it make a difference to US if Bajwa was travelling to US or Nawaz or Bhuttos?

Why no outrage? If people dont protest the state wont.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Can't imagine a PM, no matter how useless he might be, of a country the size of Pakistan (and prone to potential assassination attempts) not having personal security/protection.

As for an entourage, even a useless PM of Pakistan is not going to simply rely upon a mobile phone in his inside pocket for his only means of communication with other members of his government, senior civil servants, military leaders etc. in case a situation arises and he needs to be in contact with them.

The impression being given is that he had to wait in line and get his own luggage from the carousel, load it onto a trolly, go through customs and then hail a cab.

Protocol law is even his luggage cant be checked.

 

[Gubol123]

He is the official PM of a nuclear country. Widely accepted theory is that the Head of state carries the nuke authorisation or atleast a part of it on his person. So if he was travelling without security and other protocol then its a risk to Pakistani security.

Considering he met Pence i believe he had a entourage with him. I cant believe they pulled him aside and searched him.

I don't think any Pak civilian leaders ever knew where the nuclear missiles are located forget about actually having authority to press the button. Nuclear arms have always been Pak army's toys.. Civilians are there to find a way to fund them, not play with them.

 

[KingKhanWC]

He's only PM by name and the guy is a grade A clown. It's pretty funny a PM is taking off his belt etc .

Americans probably didn't realise who he is and he probably didn't mention it to them.

However Pakistan should respond and they generally harrass Americans in Pakistan anyway.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He is still officially the PM.

I am surprised you and almost every person from Pakistan (origin) is readily accepting that US will treat Pakistan with impunity even go as far as to publically humiliate the sitting PM.

Tell me would it make a difference to US if Bajwa was travelling to US or Nawaz or Bhuttos?

Why no outrage? If people dont protest the state wont.

I'm not a Pakistani citizen so it's not my place to protest. As far as accepting the treatment, it is what it is, no point in denying what is clear and obvious.

 

[UP]

Things are not right here. PM’s on private trips don’t travel like this - they have protocols and security to follow. Something fishy going on.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He's only PM by name and the guy is a grade A clown. It's pretty funny a PM is taking off his belt etc .

Americans probably didn't realise who he is and he probably didn't mention it to them.

However Pakistan should respond and they generally harrass Americans in Pakistan anyway.

Will they give the same treatment to the US Ambassador to Pak?

Americans didnot realise? He must be having a Diplomatic passport and a A1 visa. He had no entourage?

Law says they cant even touch his hankerchief let alone him. This is the most serious breach of diplomatic protocol. And the insult is not to Abbasi but to the state of Pakistan.

Does America consider the PM of Pakistan to be a security risk?

Pakistan must respond.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm not a Pakistani citizen so it's not my place to protest. As far as accepting the treatment, it is what it is, no point in denying what is clear and obvious.

I thought you were a dual citizen.sorry for the assumption.

If they do this to your PM, whats the position of your ordinary diplomat or ordinary citizen? They will treat them like cattle.

I seriously hope Pakistan doesnot accept this, and retaliates.

 

[Yossarian]

Now they're claiming that he was on a personal private trip, flying commercial, under his own (non-diplomatic) passport. And he just complied with normal security procedures at US airports. Mind you, there are plenty who will believe that **.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Will they give the same treatment to the US Ambassador to Pak?

Americans didnot realise? He must be having a Diplomatic passport and a A1 visa. He had no entourage?

Law says they cant even touch his hankerchief let alone him. This is the most serious breach of diplomatic protocol. And the insult is not to Abbasi but to the state of Pakistan.

Does America consider the PM of Pakistan to be a security risk?

Pakistan must respond.

In theory this is a big breach of protocol but in real terms nothing will happen in response. This guy came in to fill the gap after Nawaz was taken down. The elections are coming up very soon, PMLN need the US to back them as the party they would prefer which they will because the opposition is Imran who cannt be bought.

It's possible they didn't realise but also likely they did but dont care. These people are very arrogant, I dont know if you recall the Indian Defence Minister was strip searched on a official visit when he had his diplomats all with him and then again when he was passing through I believe. I might be wrong but India did not retaliate.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

Here it is.

"Just as we were saying good-bye to Fernandes, a member of our delegation innocently asked him when he would next be coming to Washington. His demeanor abruptly changed. It was as though he was glad to have an excuse to tell us how he really felt about our country", he recalls.

"Ignoring an Ethiopian delegation that was already filing into his office and taking its seats, Fernandes regaled us with the story of how he had been strip-searched by officers of the US Immigration and Naturalization Service at Dulles Airport when he arrived for an official visit in early 2002, and again, in mid-2003, when he was passing through the US on his way to Brazil."

"He seemed to enjoy our stupefaction at this tale. He and other Indians who later referred to the incident clearly regarded it as more than merely a lapse of protocol or just another example of the post 9/11 excesses and indignities that air travellers had to endure for the sake of security. The Indians saw it as a symptom of a deep-rooted widespread condescension - or worse - on the part of the West toward the East.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...s-strip-searched-in-US/articleshow/773351.cms

 

[Gubol123]

He's only PM by name and the guy is a grade A clown. It's pretty funny a PM is taking off his belt etc .

Americans probably didn't realise who he is and he probably didn't mention it to them.

However Pakistan should respond and they generally harrass Americans in Pakistan anyway.

This says more about Pakistan than the person. Public servants get their weight based on the role and the govt providing that role. Now this was a PM and Pakistan .. you do the math

 

[KingKhanWC]

This says more about Pakistan than the person. Public servants get their weight based on the role and the govt providing that role. Now this was a PM and Pakistan .. you do the math

Your defence secretary was stopped and strip searched not once but twice. What does this say about India and what did India do in response, nothing I believe.

These Americans dont care for Indians as much as they dont care for Pakistanis.

 

[DeadBall]

What a non entity. Even Nawaz would have cried "Mujhe kyu search kya?"

 

[Gubol123]

Your defence secretary was stopped and strip searched not once but twice. What does this say about India and what did India do in response, nothing I believe.

These Americans dont care for Indians as much as they dont care for Pakistanis.

you mean George Fernandez? here is the apology. and this was a decade back..
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/07/14/india.us/

and here is how India reacted when one of the low level diplomats were treated poorly. India and US relationship was under lots of stress due to that incident..
https://tribune.com.pk/story/647695/us-regrets-diplomat-treatment-as-india-seethes/

No one is disputing that west doesn't treat us poorly. It is only the response to that poor treatment which is surprising from Pak side.. India defended even a low level diplomat where as no response for a such a treatment to elected prime minister.. Man, he is the head of the government FGS. Pak needs to learn to stand up, however feeble attempt that might be...

 

[Gubol123]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

Here it is.



https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...s-strip-searched-in-US/articleshow/773351.cms

here is the apology. and this was a decade back..
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/07/14/india.us/

again, no one is saying we are being treated royally. But when we are being treated against convention we need protest..

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Pathetic and Embarrassing

Pakistan should definitely protest this

Imagine China, India, even Iran or NK leaders being treated like this? They would surely leave right away.

 

[KingKhanWC]

you mean George Fernandez? here is the apology. and this was a decade back..
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/07/14/india.us/

and here is how India reacted when one of the low level diplomats were treated poorly. India and US relationship was under lots of stress due to that incident..
https://tribune.com.pk/story/647695/us-regrets-diplomat-treatment-as-india-seethes/

No one is disputing that west doesn't treat us poorly. It is only the response to that poor treatment which is surprising from Pak side.. India defended even a low level diplomat where as no response for a such a treatment to elected prime minister.. Man, he is the head of the government FGS. Pak needs to learn to stand up, however feeble attempt that might be...

What does time have to do with anything? Im sure if Pak presses them they will say sorry to Pak too, it's only words.

The point is it's not the first time and it wont be the last for people of brown nations. You may think America loves India but they only want to sell weapons, trade and use India for political purposes, to them you are brown like everyone else.

 

[Gubol123]

What does time have to do with anything? Im sure if Pak presses them they will say sorry to Pak too, it's only words.

The point is it's not the first time and it wont be the last for people of brown nations. You may think America loves India but they only want to sell weapons, trade and use India for political purposes, to them you are brown like everyone else.

I don't think anything.. and don't consider USA as India's friend. India certainly doesn't consider USA as their best friend and rightly so.. USA or any other country for that matter are their to take care of their national interest..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Now they're claiming that he was on a personal private trip, flying commercial, under his own (non-diplomatic) passport. And he just complied with normal security procedures at US airports. Mind you, there are plenty who will believe that **.

I hear Pigs are flying. They flew to the Pence Abbasi meeting.

Btw Heads of State get full diplomatic protocol during private visit. And what about his security?

 

[cricketjoshila]

In theory this is a big breach of protocol but in real terms nothing will happen in response. This guy came in to fill the gap after Nawaz was taken down. The elections are coming up very soon, PMLN need the US to back them as the party they would prefer which they will because the opposition is Imran who cannt be bought.

It's possible they didn't realise but also likely they did but dont care. These people are very arrogant, I dont know if you recall the Indian Defence Minister was strip searched on a official visit when he had his diplomats all with him and then again when he was passing through I believe. I might be wrong but India did not retaliate.

India did retaliate. India makes sure that US knows that such breaches are not tolerated. Pakistan must retaliate as well. The West cannot take "US" so lightly.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India did retaliate. India makes sure that US knows that such breaches are not tolerated. Pakistan must retaliate as well. The West cannot take "US" so lightly.

Sure , I was only saying this isnt rare or a one off incident and therefore it smacks of racism because the people are brown whether they are from India or Pakistan.

American security in airports are generally low life ****, there are many instances of them physically touching children up and down in the name of security.

 

[DeadBall]

@CJ. Please stop taking so much apparent pleasure from this. Just quietly revel in it like a noble adversary.

 

[akki]

India did retaliate. India makes sure that US knows that such breaches are not tolerated. Pakistan must retaliate as well. The West cannot take "US" so lightly.

You dnt need to advise them what to do.you remember what india did when they did same thing to shahrukh. America had to make sure that it wont happen again and they officialy apologized.
Anyway point is its normal for many pakistanis to go through this sort of security checks. So that's why its not a big deal for them . You remember how mahira khan video while crrying is viral on interet,saying how she and most of people from pakistan has to go through security checks. So you are just exaggerating things up.ita pretty normal for them.

 

[hafeezrocks]

@CJ. Please stop taking so much apparent pleasure from this. Just quietly revel in it like a noble adversary.

Lol well said, his joys know no limit now.

 

[cricketjoshila]

@CJ. Please stop taking so much apparent pleasure from this. Just quietly revel in it like a noble adversary.

And even adversaries can show respect.

In the matter of how US home land security treats the brown people, i am not your adversary.

If this goes unretaliated from Pakistan it will set a precedent on how US will treat colored people. And millions of ordinary people will be affected. They ofcourse will not be able to do this to Indian officials after India retaliated in 2012 and brought them to their senses.But the ordinary Indian will suffer.

I was young when i went to a party once.I heard a very successful man telling a group of people "The whites walk together, so the brown must bind to face it".

This behaviour is abhorrent. I condemn it. That doesnot change my opinion about the Pakistani state.

 

[DeadBall]

And even adversaries can show respect.

In the matter of how US home land security treats the brown people, i am not your adversary.

If this goes unretaliated from Pakistan it will set a precedent on how US will treat colored people. And millions of ordinary people will be affected. They ofcourse will not be able to do this to Indian officials after India retaliated in 2012 and brought them to their senses.But the ordinary Indian will suffer.

I was young when i went to a party once.I heard a very successful man telling a group of people "The whites walk together, so the brown must bind to face it".

This behaviour is abhorrent. I condemn it. That doesnot change my opinion about the Pakistani state.

Joshila bhai, forget brown people. I am also appalled that a sitting PM was subject to such abuse which is unheard of but you seem to relish in his and our humiliation as a nation, please tone it down a bit.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Joshila bhai, forget brown people. I agree a sitting PM was subject to such abuse which is unheard of but you seem to relish in his and our humiliation as a nation, please tone it down a bit.

i am rather enraged that some Pakistanis on this forum have accepted this behaviour. I am not relishing this one bit. people are giving excuses of private visit. He is a PM, private personal official state whatever visit, he enjoys full diplomatic protocol. Why are Pakistanis defending this US action?

Some are saying he is a nobody, he is still your PM.

I am astonished.

 

[DeadBall]

i am rather enraged that some Pakistanis on this forum have accepted this behaviour. I am not relishing this one bit. people are giving excuses of private visit. He is a PM, private personal official state whatever visit, he enjoys full diplomatic protocol. Why are Pakistanis defending this US action?

Some are saying he is a nobody, he is still your PM.

I am astonished.

Yes it is somewhat astonishing that the usual defenders of Pakistan haven't showed up here yet (Apart from a couple who don't have much to do with Pakistan anyway). Maybe the others are bad mouthing NS/IK (depending on their alliance) in other threads. You seem to be getting more pleasure than allowed in this thread though.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes it is somewhat astonishing that the usual defenders of Pakistan haven't showed up here yet (Apart from a couple who don't have much to do with Pakistan anyway). Maybe the others are bad mouthing NS/IK (depending on their alliance) in other threads. You seem to be getting more pleasure than allowed in this thread though.

I am taking no pleasure here. If i would be i would say so.I am not known to hold back on PP,Am I? Nor do i troll, i say as it is.

I didnot enjoy when Indian official was searched in US, i am not happy now. The colour matters.

Pakistan has been wronged here. How Pakistan retaliates is upto you guys.

 

[DeadBall]

I am taking no pleasure here. If i would be i would say so.I am not known to hold back on PP,Am I? Nor do i troll, i say as it is.

I didnot enjoy when Indian official was searched in US, i am not happy now. The colour matters.

Pakistan has been wronged here. How Pakistan retaliates is upto you guys.

True. Thanks for your concern though. We will take it from here.

 

[sjahmed23]

i am rather enraged that some Pakistanis on this forum have accepted this behaviour. I am not relishing this one bit. people are giving excuses of private visit. He is a PM, private personal official state whatever visit, he enjoys full diplomatic protocol. Why are Pakistanis defending this US action?

Some are saying he is a nobody, he is still your PM.

I am astonished.

I think people are so used to beating up our politicians that they simply don't care if the head of state is humiliated. In fact, we have seen it happen time and time again (recall nawaz reading note to obama), we Pakistanis firmly believe those "representing" us do not actually represent us but they are rather puppets who are put in by the powers that be.

 

[Yossarian]

I think people are so used to beating up our politicians that they simply don't care if the head of state is humiliated. In fact, we have seen it happen time and time again (recall nawaz reading note to obama), we Pakistanis firmly believe those "representing" us do not actually represent us but they are rather puppets who are put in by the powers that be.

Because he's a head of state, together with all the information about US bound passengers being made available to US authorities before the plane has even taken off, there's not a cats chance in hell that the US Immigration & Customs weren't aware that it was the PM of Pakistan who was on his way. And they in turn would have informed the State Department.

For the US airport staff to break international diplomatic norms this way, they must have been given instructions from the very top of the government. I cannot see how something like this would be authorised by anybody lower that the White House or the Vice-President.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I thought you were a dual citizen.sorry for the assumption.

If they do this to your PM, whats the position of your ordinary diplomat or ordinary citizen? They will treat them like cattle.

I seriously hope Pakistan doesnot accept this, and retaliates.

I do officially hold dual citizenship, but as far as I'm concerned it's on paper only. My belief has always been that the affairs of Pakistan should be sorted out by those who live there, and I don't, in fact it's been over a decade since I was there last.

Obviously if this happened to any British dignitary there would be uproar and we would slap Trump so hard his jowels would still be trembling a week later. But I can't speak for Pakistani citizens, most of them are lacking education to understand these things, and the ones who are educated are probably brown sahibs who will consider it a privilege to be addressed at all by US officials.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I do officially hold dual citizenship, but as far as I'm concerned it's on paper only. My belief has always been that the affairs of Pakistan should be sorted out by those who live there, and I don't, in fact it's been over a decade since I was there last.

Obviously if this happened to any British dignitary there would be uproar and we would slap Trump so hard his jowels would still be trembling a week later. But I can't speak for Pakistani citizens, most of them are lacking education to understand these things, and the ones who are educated are probably brown sahibs who will consider it a privilege to be addressed at all by US officials.

Do you think the lack of unity among Subcontinental people have led to this situation?

If this was done to a African dignitary, the whole African union will be up in arms. Here the subcontinental population is hardly bothered.

Surprising that you hold a dual passport but havent visited Pakistan for over a decade. No close family relatives any more?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Do you think the lack of unity among Subcontinental people have led to this situation?

If this was done to a African dignitary, the whole African union will be up in arms. Here the subcontinental population is hardly bothered.

Surprising that you hold a dual passport but havent visited Pakistan for over a decade. No close family relatives any more?

I have plenty of relatives in Pakistan, but I knew most of them as kids and they've grown up now and are married and have their own lives. I sometimes get asked by them why I haven't been, but there's usually other places I want to go to be honest.

Your idea of subcontinental unity made me laugh. How much of that do you see on here?

No, it's the job of the Pakistani media and the government to address diplomatic issues, and that is where the questions should be directed.

 

[Greenstorm]

It is an embarrassment that such clowns represent us as our prime ministers. We deserve better.

 

[DW44]

It is an embarrassment that such clowns represent us as our prime ministers. We deserve better.

You get the leaders you deserve and a reasonable argument could be made that even the likes of Abassi are too good for the general Pakistani public. A nation that thinks it's reasonable for its PM to be treated like a common crook at a foreign port of entry, on account of their partisan preferences, deserve these chaanga maanga Bashir type leaders.

 

[kaayal]

This is so messed up. Even if you don't like your PM atleast respect that position. Your PM doesn't deserve to be treated like this. He is not a common man...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is so messed up. Even if you don't like your PM atleast respect that position. Your PM doesn't deserve to be treated like this. He is not a common man...

As I said earlier, the common man is probably illiterate, 90% of Pakistanis would probably be blissfully unaware of this incident. The educated ones are those who are best placed to speak up, but they are often brown sahibs who are filled with hatred for their own culture and country, so obviously this treatment will probably delight them.

 

[Greenstorm]

You get the leaders you deserve and a reasonable argument could be made that even the likes of Abassi are too good for the general Pakistani public. A nation that thinks it's reasonable for its PM to be treated like a common crook at a foreign port of entry, on account of their partisan preferences, deserve these chaanga maanga Bashir type leaders.

I do not think that our nation considers this treatment as reasonable. This treatment should only encourage us to elect such leaders who have some dignity and who keep Pakistan's interest above everything else.

 

[Madplayer]

It is an embarrassment that such clowns represent us as our prime ministers. We deserve better.

Even if a sadak chap gunda was Pakistan's Pm, nobody should still touch a PM like this.

Pakistanis in this thread are failing to understand that this is an insult to Pakistan not to Abbasi

 

[Mian]

Forget about everything else including the insult i just want to know if the trip was private how come he ended up meeting US Vice President Mike Pence during his private visit to the country? According to sources even diplomatic staff wasn't present there so what the meeting was all about? breaking some deal for his master Nawaz Sharif or saving the sinking ship of Sharif family finding a safe exit?

"Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi on Saturday met with United States Vice President Mike Pence during his private visit to the country.

According to sources, the meeting was held at Pence’s residence where the two held talks on Pakistan-US relations as well as regional situation."

https://www.geo.tv/latest/186756-pm-abbasi-meets-congressman-ted-yoho-us-officials-in-washington

 

[cricketjoshila]

Even if a sadak chap gunda was Pakistan's Pm, nobody should still touch a PM like this.

Pakistanis in this thread are failing to understand that this is an insult to Pakistan not to Abbasi

Hatred for the man is overshadowing their judgement.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hatred for the man is overshadowing their judgement.

Hatred for Pakistan itself may also be a contributing factor.