Pakistan should appoint a former Test player like Rahul Dravid for U19 team, says Ramiz Raja

[Savak]

Pakistan should appoint former Test player like Rahul Dravid for U19 team, says Ramiz Raja

Ramiz Raja said that appointing someone of Rahul Dravid's stature would help the Pakistan age group teams

Ramiz Raja said that the Pakistan Cricket Board should follow India’s example and appoint a former Test player as coach of the U-19 side. “I think the PCB should also consider appointing a former Test player who is well reputed and respected with the national junior team just like India has done in the case of Rahul Dravid (India U-19 and A coach),” the former Pakistan captain is quoted as saying by Raja said as Pakistan prepare for this month’s ICC U-19 World Cup in New Zealand.

Raja said that at age group levels, winning isn’t as important as recognising talent. “I don’t think winning is as important as recognising individuals who are talented and then educating and grooming them. India will benefit from the presence of someone like Rahul Dravid who is a role model for youngsters,” he said, “Pakistan should also think on these lines because at the under-16 and 19 levels identifying individuals who can be good investments for the future is very important.”

Rahul Dravid and the Indian U-19 team are currently in New Zealand preparing for the U-19 World Cup. The team is led by Prithvi Shaw. Raja said that having a coach like Rahul Dravid would do wonders for the youngsters who play at that level. “Pakistan should also think on these lines because at the under-16 and 19 levels identifying individuals who can be good investments for the future is very important.”

Link: http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...-dravid-for-u19-team-says-ramiz-raja-5007517/

 

[DRsohail]

Ramiz can sometime make sense.
This is good thing to do as these basit ali and other guys cant do much.

 

[Saj]

Any names Ramiz or are people supposed to guess.

 

[Bewal Express]

My problem with ex cricketers taking over youth teams is that they treat the assignment like a paid holiday. Over the years i have turned up to tour matches very early in the morning and bar Grant Flower working with YK at Worcester in 2016 i have yet to see any coaching from any coach. I went to Edgebaston in 96 to watch Warwickshire play PK, and Inzi sat on a deck chair for the whole of the 2 hrs and again i didnt see anyone speak to anyone else.

 

[shah_1]

Any names Ramiz or are people supposed to guess.

How about Younis Khan?

 

[troodon]

Saeed Anwar is a good candidate.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Someone like Younis. If not, then someone like Taufeeq Umar. Knowledgeable technicians who understand the art of batting.

 

[finalfantasy7]

David would be great but I prefer sangarkarra

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Misbah would be a good choice - knows international and domestic cricket inside out. Has never thrown his toys out of the pram or been involved in anything controversial and is an all round good guy. He’d be a great guide for any youngster.

 

[MMHS]

Yeeeeeeeeees, Basit Ali, is the perfect candidate.

I would prefer MoYo though, someone turned into world's no. 1 batsman, from at best an above average International, in 2 years under a Pro coach. So, he must know something about batting discipline, intelligence & art of building innings, beyond standard one word quality of PAK batsmen - TALENT.

 

[MenInG]

Misbah would be a good choice - knows international and domestic cricket inside out. Has never thrown his toys out of the pram or been involved in anything controversial and is an all round good guy. He’d be a great guide for any youngster.

Very good choice as a mentor.

 

[Itachi]

Misbah would be a good choice - knows international and domestic cricket inside out. Has never thrown his toys out of the pram or been involved in anything controversial and is an all round good guy. He’d be a great guide for any youngster.

i would be more worried about the attitude towards the game that he'll installed in the mind of the youth. He lacks aggression and i don't think he could motivate a team.

He should be in a position where he looks overall the structure of the organization yet, not directly related with operational works.

 

[BaankeJi]

Coach should have these qualities:-
- well respected
- good communicator
- good temperament. This is very important as you don't want coach fighting with players.

 

[Hasan123]

I'll go with Younis. Mentally very strong and he was brilliant at pacing a test innings. Now days our batsmen even in tests just block everything and will but boundaries now and again.

Younis was brilliant at rotating the strike and than taking the attack to the spinners.

 

[Markhor]

Just to add to the Younis Khan mentions - he's already done his coaching badges so qualifications wouldn't be an issue.

 

[CricketingMinds]

No one better than Younis Khan for that role of grooming, mentoring youngsters.

U listen to any interview by a Pakistani cricketer who's played with YK (including Misbah) and they're full of praise for his professionalism, his fitness, his discipline... And more than technique those are the three things youngsters need most guidance on especially at the U19 U16 level.

 

[JattMaula]

Coach should have these qualities:-
- well respected
- good communicator
- good temperament. This is very important as you don't want coach fighting with players.

But he may be too busy.

 

[RehanG]

Younis Khan, Razzaq could be good options.

 

[Pete Rose]

Pakistan's run over the last few tournaments looks decent to me. Rameez is wrong.
semi-final - 2008
final - 2010
quarterfinal - 2012
final - 2014
quarter final - 2016

 

[Pete Rose]

Younis Khan, Razzaq could be good options.

the worst candidates possible. modern version of javed miandad
fueled by bitterness and nothing else

 

[Pete Rose]

Someone like Younis. If not, then someone like Taufeeq Umar. Knowledgeable technicians who understand the art of batting.

taufeeq was also part of one of the up19 teams that went on to win the world cup.
very harshly treated by inzi/woolmer who decided dross like Imran Farhat should be preferred.

 

[PakLFC]

I don't think such a thing is possible. Would be like a direct Liverpool-Man United transfer that don't happen.

 

[Justcrazy]

He is right , if you have an established test player as coach at lower level, youngsters can get motivated , and look up to that player.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Conceptually, I personally believe, the best man for the job should be someone who’s worked his way up the ranks (through hard work & grit) rather than being handed the star & crescent because of being talented, gifted, and or otherwise.

On a fundamental level, what [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] is saying is one hundred percent on point while most people fail to realize is that a guy who (albeit could play well during ‘his’ days) has effectively a lesser chance of persevering through, with a struggling teenager (who might not be that talented as the former).

A pairing of the U-19 lads with a ‘talented’ cricketing coach necessarily might cause disharmony as the sync between players who ‘get his methods’ on the first attempt to players who might need extensive trial & error may vary from batch to batch & this is where the, real problem, will effectively arise.

In such a situation you need someone who himself went through the ordeal of the ‘practice makes perfect’ exercise & therefore players like Younis, Misbah, Taufeeq, Hammed even someone like Hafeez (in future) should be the ones who need to be put in charge of these kids rather than players such as Yousuf, Inzamam, Akhtar, Qadir et al.

Finally, I’ll just quote Napoleon Hill here who very wisely once said:

‘Every adversity, every failure, every heartache carries with it the seed of a greater or equal benefit.’

What Pakistan needs, is to instill these fundamentals in their upcoming sportsmen (be it any sports) and this can only be achieved if the people in charge of these kids are blokes that themselves went through such ordeals to make it to the highest level of the game.

 

[zeikz123]

yonus khan

 

[Savak]

Unless the PCB offers handsome pay, perks, benefits and job security, no big name will be interested.

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE - Former Pakistan cricket team captain Ramiz Raja has said that there is no place for the tainted players in the national team .

Talking to the members of Sports Journalists Association of Lahore (SJAL) during the ‘meet the press’ here Monday, Ramiz said: “If I were in the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) administration, I would have not allowed any match or spot fixers to be part of the Pakistan cricket team . They don’t deserve forgiveness as they had brought bad name to the country and its cricket, so deserved to be banned for life.

“I am saddened to see fixers at the National Cricket Academy (NCA), which is a role model place for our youngsters and tainted players must be kept away from such places. The presence of such corrupt cricketers leaves bad impression on the upcoming cricketers and encourages them to follow the suit,” he added.

About recent statement of Indian Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj on Pak-India bilateral series, the cricketer-turned-commentator said: “I do not understand this rhetoric. The Indian government has decided that they will not let people to people contact to take place. I fail to understand why the sport is dragged into these matters,” he added.

“Pakistan has a good and logical stance on bilateral series between the two neighbouring countries but India's stance is being criticized internationally. No one has right to make the best cricket rivalry hostage and it must not be politicized. India is depriving fans of both the countries witnessing their heroes in action against each other,” he added.

He said that present India government narrative is anti-Pakistan so they are trying to create a complete blockade for Pakistan-India relations and sports especially cricket. “Most of the sensible former cricketers on both sides want to see this rivalry go on but due to strong Indian stance, their voice isn't being heard. I feel the PCB’s case against the BCCI is a right decision and they must keep on asking India to play series as it is their due right.”

About Pakistan chance against New Zealand, Ramiz said: “Pakistan has a good chance to dominate against New Zealand. Pakistan has won the Champions Trophy so they should continue their winning streak and enter the field with all guns blazing.”

The former captain said the PCB should also follow steps of India and appoint a former Test cricketer to coach national junior (U-19) team . "I think the PCB should also consider appointing a former Test player just like India has done by appointing Rahul Dravid as India U-19 and A team coach.”

Raja insisted that at the youth level identifying individual talent and preparing them for the future was more important than team achievements. "I don't think winning is as important as recognising individuals who are talented and then educating and grooming them.”

He noted that when a former Test cricketer will be a teacher and mentor of youngsters, they will learn a lot and become better players and sportsmen. "Pakistan should also think on these lines because at the under-16 and under-19 levels, identifying individuals, who can be good investments for the future, is very important."

When Ramiz was part of the PCB, he brought drastic changes in the domestic cricket and introduced regional system to bring improvement at domestic level. When he was reminded about it, the former captain said that there is a dire need to improve regional setup to help consolidate the domestic structure. “I think regional system is still the best system, if regional heads and coaches work sincerely under the direction of the PCB, domestic cricket and cricketers are bound to excel.”

https://nation.com.pk/02-Jan-2018/no-place-for-tainted-players-in-team-ramiz

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE - Former Pakistan cricket team captain Ramiz Raja has said that there is no place for the tainted players in the national team .

Talking to the members of Sports Journalists Association of Lahore (SJAL) during the ‘meet the press’ here Monday, Ramiz said: “If I were in the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) administration, I would have not allowed any match or spot fixers to be part of the Pakistan cricket team . They don’t deserve forgiveness as they had brought bad name to the country and its cricket, so deserved to be banned for life.

“I am saddened to see fixers at the National Cricket Academy (NCA), which is a role model place for our youngsters and tainted players must be kept away from such places. The presence of such corrupt cricketers leaves bad impression on the upcoming cricketers and encourages them to follow the suit,” he added.

About recent statement of Indian Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj on Pak-India bilateral series, the cricketer-turned-commentator said: “I do not understand this rhetoric. The Indian government has decided that they will not let people to people contact to take place. I fail to understand why the sport is dragged into these matters,” he added.

“Pakistan has a good and logical stance on bilateral series between the two neighbouring countries but India's stance is being criticized internationally. No one has right to make the best cricket rivalry hostage and it must not be politicized. India is depriving fans of both the countries witnessing their heroes in action against each other,” he added.

He said that present India government narrative is anti-Pakistan so they are trying to create a complete blockade for Pakistan-India relations and sports especially cricket. “Most of the sensible former cricketers on both sides want to see this rivalry go on but due to strong Indian stance, their voice isn't being heard. I feel the PCB’s case against the BCCI is a right decision and they must keep on asking India to play series as it is their due right.”

About Pakistan chance against New Zealand, Ramiz said: “Pakistan has a good chance to dominate against New Zealand. Pakistan has won the Champions Trophy so they should continue their winning streak and enter the field with all guns blazing.”

The former captain said the PCB should also follow steps of India and appoint a former Test cricketer to coach national junior (U-19) team . "I think the PCB should also consider appointing a former Test player just like India has done by appointing Rahul Dravid as India U-19 and A team coach.”

Raja insisted that at the youth level identifying individual talent and preparing them for the future was more important than team achievements. "I don't think winning is as important as recognising individuals who are talented and then educating and grooming them.”

He noted that when a former Test cricketer will be a teacher and mentor of youngsters, they will learn a lot and become better players and sportsmen. "Pakistan should also think on these lines because at the under-16 and under-19 levels, identifying individuals, who can be good investments for the future, is very important."

When Ramiz was part of the PCB, he brought drastic changes in the domestic cricket and introduced regional system to bring improvement at domestic level. When he was reminded about it, the former captain said that there is a dire need to improve regional setup to help consolidate the domestic structure. “I think regional system is still the best system, if regional heads and coaches work sincerely under the direction of the PCB, domestic cricket and cricketers are bound to excel.”

https://nation.com.pk/02-Jan-2018/no-place-for-tainted-players-in-team-ramiz

so basically Salman Butt and Asif?

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Younis Khan or Mohammad Yousuf.

But both have had attitude issues in the past.

 

[MMHS]

Younis Khan or Mohammad Yousuf.

But both have had attitude issues in the past.

YK should have been the ideal person, for his work ethics, and experience (coaching certification as well). But, YK isn’t the best technician and he is a bit unconventional - like Steve Smith, extremely effective but not the best guy with batting fundamentals. For U19 level, you should teach kids the fundamentals of batting first - high elbow, steady head, toe in line, back lift, foot work, balance ,,,,, etc.

YK did that his own way, and he can be a fantastic choice as Arthur’s deputy (or A team boss), where he should work with finished goods (batsmen), focusing more on batting tactics, strategy and counter plans for a given situation (like how to counter Ashwin or Herath on a particular wicket). At highest level, it’s about adjusting the game to a given situation, rather than inventing a solution,

For U19 level, you need mentors as well as coach, who can teach them from MCC coaching manuals, at the same time do possess the reputation to draw respect. MoYo actually was the most polished PAK batsman of recent times (probably only after Zaheer & Mazid when it comes to proper batting techniques. Haven’t seen Hanif, but Javed was unconventional, so was Saeed and Inzi is busy with other role). Besides, younger batsmen should develop a hunger for run and and attitude of putting almost a selfish value for own wicket. In that regard, Dravid was a perfect 10 choice for BCCI.

Only problem could be that MoYo was a pathetic communicator - he might scare the kids more than mentoring them.

 

[shariqnoor]

Controversial choice but I don't think I've seen a more astute captain in Pakistan cricket than Salim Malik. He understood the game like nobody in Pakistan. Too bad match-fixing became a part of his career. But I have no doubt that he would be an excellent cricketing coach.

 

[introvert]

Dravid said some valuable suggestions about developing u19 players by rotation of squad,not let them play too much age group cricket instead release u19 players to fight for their spots in state teams against experienced players.
He also said yoyo fitness tests should not be criteria for selection as long as players can perform their cricket skills like field,bat/bowl without sacrificing because developing their cricketing skills is more important at u19 level.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Dravid said some valuable suggestions about developing u19 players by rotation of squad,not let them play too much age group cricket instead release u19 players to fight for their spots in state teams against experienced players.
He also said yoyo fitness tests should not be criteria for selection as long as players can perform their cricket skills like field,bat/bowl without sacrificing because developing their cricketing skills is more important at u19 level.

I did this test when I was a skinny and weak 15 years old in my high school. Almost did the whole thing. Out of us 15ish guys in class: 2 completed the whole thing. One was 1m55cm-ish Ecuadorian kid.

Both Misbah and YK murdered this test when they were 40+ y.o.

This much whining about a fitness test by 'professional' athletes is beyond me.