Pakistan T20 Cricket - A humiliation so richly deserved

[fight_club]

I can see clearly now - Johnny Nash​

Probability theory states that chances of obtaining a number 4 (sic) on a rolling fair dice will be 1/6. I honestly didn't even give that much to a sorry and timid Pakistan batting order to chase out 170 in the finals.

While everyone was Gaga over brilliant decision to send Nawaz early against India and winning the crucial match. It was not lost on me that this so called "Think tank" itself has no faith in their own middle order

Since, Khushdil himself is a left hander the match up would have been perfect. They all knew well how limited these batsmen are and then you have audacity to label them as "Middle order" and keep deserving youngsters out then it is utterly disgraceful.

The same was repeated against Afganistan, a game Pakistan almost lost.

The wheels had already came off an urgent corrective measure was required and you had a perfect opportunity in the dead rubber against the very opponents but only Pakistan of the all teams in the world could waste it, Lanka on the other hand dropped Asalanka owing to the poor form and got rewarded.

When you don't respect the game accept mistakes and stop trying to correct them, the game has a nasty habit of coming and biting you. I would hope this is the end of Babar and Rizwan opening combination as it has broken the back of Pakistan T20 batting.

Expect these two every other batsmen has been rotated. I guess anyone with a little shame will now throw this ugly meek template of 90's in the nearest drain and look to make a fresh start. Pakistan need a complete mental overhaul and departure from this failed template.

Get least a young opener who is given license to thrash it, T20 is not a game of averages but that of impact. Pakistan strategy to strike in the last four overs is an outdated one and teams can easily counter that like Lanka saved Hasaranga for the 16th over today.

Babar captaincy also leaves much to be desired, You always gets the feeling that their is no plan B and lack of imagination. Not all is doom however, Naseem and Nawaz have been revelation and so has been Rauf with the new ball, My word the attack Pakistan possess is a lethal one.

I have been wondering for a long time about why Pakistan is searching for middle order batsmen when they have world best in the form of Babar and Rizwan, why don't they move down and solve the riddle.

Pakistan cricket has been held hostage by these two gentlemen, its a timely reminder that no individual is bigger than the game itself. The bite is very real and painful one, Just hope that they learn..


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[Mamoon]

Let’s be honest, Pakistan totally fluked it’s way into the final.

Nawaz’s cameo against India and Naseem’s sixes against Afghanistan were complete flukes. The luck had to run out at some point.

I bet the selectors and management will take this team to the World Cup because they made the final and beat India (everyone has forgotten there were 2 matches and we lost the first one and only made it a respectable match because Dahani fluked a few sixes in the end) and they will get the beating of a lifetime.

 

[Rana]

Let’s be honest, Pakistan totally fluked it’s way into the final.

Nawaz’s cameo against India and Naseem’s sixes against Afghanistan were complete flukes. The luck had to run out at some point.

I bet the selectors and management will take this team to the World Cup because they made the final and beat India (everyone has forgotten there were 2 matches and we lost the first one and only made it a respectable match because Dahani fluked a few sixes in the end) and they will get the beating of a lifetime.

Wow

Thanks for this captain obvious.

 

[fieldMarshal]

The real reason for our defeat n not for the first time

The real reason for our defeat is not the poor batting or for that matter the drop catches as they came when the game had already been lost.

But the actual reason is that sri lanka were 5 down for less then 60 n babar instead of going for the kill decided to sit back n let srilanka get out of jail n reach 170. That was game set match.
the timid n defensive nature of babar azam cost us this match as any other captain would have gone for the kill while due to the reactive nature of babar azam srilanka not only got out of jail but in the process imposed a massive total.

N this is a recurring theme in babar azam captaincy in all three formats, where he likes to sit back n wait instead of being proactive n making things happen. But due to his form most times inspite of his huge draw back he would get out of jail, specially in T 20.

The question we need to ask is babar captaincy material, is he fit for the job or should we hand it over to rizwan n let babar concentrate on batting.

India did it with tandulkar

 

[ChipShot]

Why Rizwan, he's not too proactive as well. Although he's more involved with his bowlers than Babar.

Shadab or Shaheen are better choices

 

[fieldMarshal]

Rizwan, because he has been groomed for this role as he is the vice captain.
Plus wt little I have seen of his captaincy is more proactive n agrassive compared to babar

 

[Dr_Bassim]

My theory remains the same.

Any opening batsmen of Pakistan would play like Rizwan and Babar because we play the first 6 overs as conservation mode.

It will take a huge paradigm shift for Pakistan to attack in first 6.

Those who are hoping that Fakhar opening or (insert your favorite opener here) will change the PP score are living in a false world.

If the strategy is to conserve wickets, simply replacing Rizwan or Babar at the top is unlikely to yield any dividends.

 

[fight_club]

My theory remains the same.

Any opening batsmen of Pakistan would play like Rizwan and Babar because we play the first 6 overs as conservation mode.

It will take a huge paradigm shift for Pakistan to attack in first 6.

Those who are hoping that Fakhar opening or (insert your favorite opener here) will change the PP score are living in a false world.

If the strategy is to conserve wickets, simply replacing Rizwan or Babar at the top is unlikely to yield any dividends.

Not "we" but "they" Rizwan and Babar. There are many good attacking openers Pakistan have but these two wouldn't let any one take there position not even in a dead rubber. Their is obvious insecurity these two gentlemen have because they know fully no one else waste PP as they do.

Plus all that hogwash about anchoring the inning or Pakistan batting will collapse etc holds no water anymore their bluff has been called. I would never ever like to see these two gentlemen walking out to open for Pakistan in a T20 international.

 

[PakLFC]

In T20's you need aggressive batsmen and big hitters. Our defensive batting was eventually exposed after a few fluky wins we got versus India and Afghanistan. It is our middle order that contributed nothing in the entire tournament. They showed no urgency at all anytime during the tournament. With the required run rate nearly 10 an over they were playing forward defensive shots. What a bunch of overrated losers.

 

[Bewal Express]

Let’s be honest, Pakistan totally fluked it’s way into the final.

Nawaz’s cameo against India and Naseem’s sixes against Afghanistan were complete flukes. The luck had to run out at some point.

I bet the selectors and management will take this team to the World Cup because they made the final and beat India (everyone has forgotten there were 2 matches and we lost the first one and only made it a respectable match because Dahani fluked a few sixes in the end) and they will get the beating of a lifetime.

How did your Ind get on?

 

[Bewal Express]

Let’s be honest, Pakistan totally fluked it’s way into the final.

Nawaz’s cameo against India and Naseem’s sixes against Afghanistan were complete flukes. The luck had to run out at some point.

I bet the selectors and management will take this team to the World Cup because they made the final and beat India (everyone has forgotten there were 2 matches and we lost the first one and only made it a respectable match because Dahani fluked a few sixes in the end) and they will get the beating of a lifetime.

If my auntie had you know what,she she would have been uncle. Is this the level of your posting

 

[Kriketer]

Let’s be honest, Pakistan totally fluked it’s way into the final.

Nawaz’s cameo against India and Naseem’s sixes against Afghanistan were complete flukes. The luck had to run out at some point.

I bet the selectors and management will take this team to the World Cup because they made the final and beat India (everyone has forgotten there were 2 matches and we lost the first one and only made it a respectable match because Dahani fluked a few sixes in the end) and they will get the beating of a lifetime.

Fluke this, fluke that, fluke this, fluke that.... There's no end to your rona dhona.

Pakistan is a very competitive T20 side, anyone arguing against it is just fooling himself so you can continue with that. We understand your beloved team crashed out by Pak humiliating them first and then sending them packing by hitting the 2 sixes.

 

[Gayle_Force]

I think there is a lot of overreaction happening. Pakistan with an out of form Babar Adam and Fakhar Zaman, along with a non existent middle order still made it to the finals. A few tweaks are needed and hopefully Babar and Fakhar can regain their form. I have enough belief that Pakistan will no doubt be back to being a competitive side.

 

[Kriketer]

I think there is a lot of overreaction happening. Pakistan with an out of form Babar Adam and Fakhar Zaman, along with a non existent middle order still made it to the finals. A few tweaks are needed and hopefully Babar and Fakhar can regain their form. I have enough belief that Pakistan will no doubt be back to being a competitive side.

Indeed, Pakistan still got a really good team. Fans and naysayers are only overreacting. We had a number of positives from the tournament. Out of form Babar and unreliable middle order was the driving factor, still lost final by 23 runs which isn't too bad. Bring on the T20 WC!

 

[Rana]

Sharjeel Khan scores 107* off 62 deliveries chasing 160 for his team

And you are telling me Babar and Rizwan are the best T20 openers in Pakistan??

 

[fight_club]

Indeed, Pakistan still got a really good team. Fans and naysayers are only overreacting. We had a number of positives from the tournament. Out of form Babar and unreliable middle order was the driving factor, still lost final by 23 runs which isn't too bad. Bring on the T20 WC!

No one is overlooking the positives, Actually this team could have won it if they tried course correction, fiddled with the opening combination given chance to haider in the dead rubber and in the final actually tried to chase it and not just pretend it.

This phattu mentality is sickening to the core

 

[Kriketer]

No one is overlooking the positives, Actually this team could have won it if they tried course correction, fiddled with the opening combination given chance to haider in the dead rubber and in the final actually tried to chase it and not just pretend it.

This phattu mentality is sickening to the core

Those are just bad analysis. They did try to chase it and complaining over he should have played or that guy should have played makes no difference as you could have ended up weeping over others as well with similar result. They made it to the final and most of the times Pakistan has been putting on a good show in T20. Instead of criticizing and crying over negatives, one should move on and back them.

This phattu mentality of attacking team when they lose is a trait of skim immature fans who can't stand losing (got many in our neighbouring country). It's just sport, we will win and lose, and Pakistan has been a very good T20 side.

 

[fight_club]

Those are just bad analysis. They did try to chase it and complaining over he should have played or that guy should have played makes no difference as you could have ended up weeping over others as well with similar result. They made it to the final and most of the times Pakistan has been putting on a good show in T20. Instead of criticizing and crying over negatives, one should move on and back them.

This phattu mentality of attacking team when they lose is a trait of skim immature fans who can't stand losing (got many in our neighbouring country). It's just sport, we will win and lose, and Pakistan has been a very good T20 side.

What are you trying to defend mate??

1. An opening pair who criminally waste PP irrespective of the situation
2. "They tried chasing" really ??? you mean rizwan and ifti eating 80 deliveries to produce 87 runs
and this team was only 2 down
3. I don't care what haider would have done but you have chosen him in the team, none of the batsmen are looking in good knick, you just escaped defeat against afganistan chasing 128 odd and you just stubbornly carry on as if repeating the failed template 100 times might produce a different result

Read my post carefully next time you come up with happy come jolly post. I am alright with defeat winning and losing is part of the game however two individual keeping the entire team balance on the ransom not ready to budge not allowing anyone to open playing "fattu" brand of cricket, justifying their own limitation by various excuses

I had enough of this defensive gutless and selfish display, good luck chuck

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Those are just bad analysis. They did try to chase it and complaining over he should have played or that guy should have played makes no difference as you could have ended up weeping over others as well with similar result. They made it to the final and most of the times Pakistan has been putting on a good show in T20. Instead of criticizing and crying over negatives, one should move on and back them.

This phattu mentality of attacking team when they lose is a trait of skim immature fans who can't stand losing (got many in our neighbouring country). It's just sport, we will win and lose, and Pakistan has been a very good T20 side.

Okay I'll bite.

How did they try to chase it?

I'll start with round one.

RR is 15 per over and the two batsmen are continuously content to take singles till the 16th over chasing 171 to win.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Chase was going fine until the 13th over by Theeksana. Then, SL played some brilliant defensive cricket for the next 3 overs and Pakistan had no answers. 13, 14 and 15 overs were match changing overs and I'm sure they are analyzing what went wrong in those overs.

 

[Xoib]

Chase was going fine until the 13th over by Theeksana. Then, SL played some brilliant defensive cricket for the next 3 overs and Pakistan had no answers. 13, 14 and 15 overs were match changing overs and I'm sure they are analyzing what went wrong in those overs.

Pakistan panicked after the 13 over but the reason they panicked was the go slow approach in first 11 overs there was no need to be 74-2 after 11 even an 88/2 could have kept Pakistan well in chase

 

[fight_club]

Chase was going fine until the 13th over by Theeksana. Then, SL played some brilliant defensive cricket for the next 3 overs and Pakistan had no answers. 13, 14 and 15 overs were match changing overs and I'm sure they are analyzing what went wrong in those overs.

Their waa no chase underway just a sucide mission by a ultra meek and defeatist mindset.

The chase waa underway when pakistan chased down India score of similar total.
Induction of Nawaz ensured that asking rate was never above 10. Matter of fact they needed just 45 odd in last 5 overs and they almost made a meal of it with mr khusdil playing a strokeless run a ball innings

And these genius were thinking the so called finishers would chase 70 of 30

Another example of perfect chase waa how lankans chased down 175 against afganistan in sharjah. They kept the RR under check throught maintained healthy
Rum rate inspite of constantly losing wickets

Thats the way to chase in T20. These keeping wickets anchoring etc are non existent terms in modern cricket you just have to play 20 overs

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pakistan panicked after the 13 over but the reason they panicked was the go slow approach in first 11 overs there was no need to be 74-2 after 11 even an 88/2 could have kept Pakistan well in chase

They were 90/1 after 12.1 overs . They needed 81 off 47 after that. To be honest , that should be chased in Dubai of all places.

But my point is, the Pakistani template for more than a year has been to consolidate and not lose wickets upfront and go hard at the end. It's a template that has brought Pakistan a lot of success .
Yes, they might fail on occasion and then fans will criticise.

But if you were to change it up and if Rizwan and babar go hard from ball one and generally find success, you will come across the odd day when it doesn't succeed and Pakistan will find themselves 36/3 at the end of the Powerplay with Ifthikar, Asif Ali and Khushdil Shah to play .

Will that middle order be able to last 14 overs and make a competitive total ? I'm not so sure .

The problem lies with Khushdil and Asif Ali. They can neither consolidate nor hit consistently at this level or atleast thdy haven't shown it yet.

 

[fight_club]

They were 90/1 after 12.1 overs . They needed 81 off 47 after that. To be honest , that should be chased in Dubai of all places.

But my point is, the Pakistani template for more than a year has been to consolidate and not lose wickets upfront and go hard at the end. It's a template that has brought Pakistan a lot of success .
Yes, they might fail on occasion and then fans will criticise.

But if you were to change it up and if Rizwan and babar go hard from ball one and generally find success, you will come across the odd day when it doesn't succeed and Pakistan will find themselves 36/3 at the end of the Powerplay with Ifthikar, Asif Ali and Khushdil Shah to play .

Will that middle order be able to last 14 overs and make a competitive total ? I'm not so sure .

The problem lies with Khushdil and Asif Ali. They can neither consolidate nor hit consistently at this level or atleast thdy haven't shown it yet.

First thing first please check the scoring rate of Pakistan innings from over no. 3 to over no.13 and you will find barring one or two oves the avg per over run rate would be around 6 and this "Template"
is followed about only pakistan and no other team in the world

Now, Let me come to the most pertinent Statement regarding how Pakistan is following a given template and how bad things will happen if don't follow what Babar and Rizwan do in the Powerplay.

For thousands of years of human existence we didn't have electricity and robbers use to take advantage of the dark to commit crime and run away, That's why our Dadi's and nani's use to tell use stories about
ghost who lurk in the dark etc etc but now we have 24*365 work culture

So, All the stories of 36/3 if Babar ji and Rizwan ji would not open and how we all must accept the mediocre opening which eat up balls don't even hit a 6 till 42 deliveries (that's the research) etc

Where it's cast in stone that these two gentlemen both of who started their career and played as middle order bat something they are very good at will keep on piling misery on us Dadi's and nani's ki masum santan and we have to accept it as we have accepted all those ghost stories.

Well, These two should never ever open for Pakistan in a T20 international again, should have stopped doing that after the 2021 world cup itself but didn't happen. At least one of them should come down
allow someone to play freaking T20 cricket where people look to exploit Powerplay for god sake there are only 2 fielders outside the ring so take advantage of it and not feast us with your neverending tuk tuk are baba ruk

Look at what Rohit sharma and Rahul did to pakistan famed pacers in the super 4 encounter, they drilled the fear of the god in pakistan bowlers who were forced to shorten their length changed their plan and were literlly shaking under the assult, That's what T20 cricket is all about and well that comes with a price so be it 20 overs don't need traditional inning building and achoring of ODI

you need to keep playing your shots throughout the innings barring few overs when bowler is doing really good.

2nd who selected likes of Asif, Khusdil and ifti into the team??? What the hell is going on for 2 years? why is pakistan searching for middle order when Bobby and rizzy are world class natural middle order batsmen they should slide down for the team let youngsters express themselves in PP these guys can hold one end no issues

Look at the level of insecurity and absurdity, They don't allow anyone else to open even natural openers like Fakhar, Haider are made to come as middle order.

Teams learns petty fast now, Rizwan weakness outside off stump is exposed they don't play lofted shots as well, Babar is suspect against spinners at the start world is watching this, move on everybody move on change is constant cricket is a team game above any individual

 

[Suleiman]

Sharjeel Khan scores 107* off 62 deliveries chasing 160 for his team

And you are telling me Babar and Rizwan are the best T20 openers in Pakistan??

I’m still mad at what Sharjeel did to himself. He was finding his groove so so well in ODIs, t20s and even tests!! Playing in all 3 as an aggressive opener, NOT slogging the ball like Fakhar but proper shots, all around the wicket.

It was evident that he had been working on his game real hard because he went from being only mainly playing on one side of the wicket 2013-14 to now being able to place his shots anywhere.

Too good to be true just like M Asif…. Threw it away for a few bucks and now ofc after getting stabbed by Amir’s retirement and giving the ex fixer a chance, they’re very very cautious nowwith letting fixers come back in.

Still no replacement for Sharjeel.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Let’s be honest, Pakistan totally fluked it’s way into the final.

Nawaz’s cameo against India and Naseem’s sixes against Afghanistan were complete flukes. The luck had to run out at some point.

I bet the selectors and management will take this team to the World Cup because they made the final and beat India (everyone has forgotten there were 2 matches and we lost the first one and only made it a respectable match because Dahani fluked a few sixes in the end) and they will get the beating of a lifetime.

Exactly they didn’t win their matches comfortably, which were quite obvious but the selectors and management cannot have their eyes look this way.

If they have any sense prevailing a player like Asif Ali won’t be selected repeatedly series after series.

Looking at his batting, clearly shows that he needs to learn how to bat first before trying to hit sixes. Ridiculous

 

[Mp812]

Sharjeel Khan scores 107* off 62 deliveries chasing 160 for his team

And you are telling me Babar and Rizwan are the best T20 openers in Pakistan??

Mohammad Rizwan, who during the course of the tournament became the No.1 ranked ICC Men's T20I batter. He should open.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Relax guys. It's just one defeat in T20 match. The overreaction here is hilarious.

 

[JaDed]

My theory remains the same.

Any opening batsmen of Pakistan would play like Rizwan and Babar because we play the first 6 overs as conservation mode.

It will take a huge paradigm shift for Pakistan to attack in first 6.

Those who are hoping that Fakhar opening or (insert your favorite opener here) will change the PP score are living in a false world.

If the strategy is to conserve wickets, simply replacing Rizwan or Babar at the top is unlikely to yield any dividends.

Unlike 1990s when Afridi Anwar etc were opening, tbf it was Jayasuria who taught the world the value of first 15 overs in ODI during the wc.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Pakistan are the first team to play 250 T20I matches.

Out of these 250 matches, they have won 145, while losing 98 games.

 

[Kianig89]

Small sample size but it seems our T20 regression can be stopped need to wait for SA series.

Saim , Omair, TT, Abbass, Irfan, Rauf, Muqeem , that's 7 out of 11 good aggressive players add an elegant Babar and it goes to 8, with Aqib inclining towards Usman and the tally up to 9. So only two spots to be filled.

Saim
Omar
Usman
Babar
TT
Irfan
Jamal/JK/Agha
Abbas
Rauf
SSA
Muqeem
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Quite Interesting but PCB has Rizwan and Agha in leadership roles ??

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Pakistan are the first team to play 250 T20I matches.

Out of these 250 matches, they have won 145, while losing 98 games.

But in the last 50 matches they have hardly won 15 of them.