Pakistan team has no one to blame for this situation but itself

[hitthestump]

I'm 90% sure that if we'd had Haris against Australia instead of Malik that we'd have won that game.

What a HUGE blunder that was, everyone knew it before the game and it is crystal clear now.

Senior culture literally cost us a semi-final place!!

 

[angeldsoul]

Let me tell you something very few teams have the ability
To screw themselves after south Africa like England

If England lose toss in good batting conditions I think they will get beat. Same as today it was the toss
That won the game. And if nz openers finally click England could be in serious trouble.

 

[Hasan]

That is what I said - Pak have no input in the Eng / NZ match, it’s out of their hands.

Wrong. If NZ beat ENG, then Pak just has to beat BNG.

 

[Mamoon]

Big LOL at all the over-hype with England.

For all the nay-sayers, this is what happened the last time Eng and NZ met in a world cup match.

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so keep calm and believe in MEN IN GREEN !!!!

Yes, because there is so much in common between that English team and this one. Hopefully Bell, Anderson, Broad, Ballance and Finn fail on Wednesday.

I understand that we are extremely desperate at the moment and trying to clutch at every straw in sight, but can we please take a moment and think before we post?

What was the point of your post and what purpose did it serve?

 

[gazza619]

Coming 5th is actually the worst possible result for Pakistan. As this will potentially mean nothing will change post WC.

 

[Technics 1210]

That is what I said - Pak have no input in the Eng / NZ match, it’s out of their hands.

And? If NZ beat ENG on Wednesday then England's destiny is out of their hand. What is your point? You think this is the first time teams have had to rely on other results to qualify in any kind of tournament?

 

[farazaidi]

Yes, because there is so much in common between that English team and this one. Hopefully Bell, Anderson, Broad, Ballance and Finn fail on Wednesday.

I understand that we are extremely desperate at the moment and trying to clutch at every straw in sight, but can we please take a moment and think before we post?

What was the point of your post and what purpose did it serve?

the point is plain and simple which flew over your head unfortunately. England are bottlers, as their trophy cabinet would suggest. They were ahead of the game from ball one today, that is the only method they know how to play. You'd never see them recovering from an early setback because they just dont have the mental toughness for that.

I'm sure we wont agree on their stature so lets make predictions now. If NZ bat first on Wednesday and post 220+, England is gone. What do you say?

 

[Technics 1210]

Coming 5th is actually the worst possible result for Pakistan. As this will potentially mean nothing will change post WC.

Pakistan have not finished in any position yet. Pakistan could end up lower than 5th, or higher once the tournament is over[/I]! One minute down, next minute up!

 

[farazaidi]

Coming 5th is actually the worst possible result for Pakistan. As this will potentially mean nothing will change post WC.

We've had wholesome changes everytime since 2003, how beneficial has that been? We dont need a whole lot changes tbh, Malik is retiring, Hafeez will too after WC I hope. Only change we need than is sack Inzi, his inconsistent selection has been the biggest setback for us in preparations.

 

[Mamoon]

the point is plain and simple which flew over your head unfortunately. England are bottlers, as their trophy cabinet would suggest. They were ahead of the game from ball one today, that is the only method they know how to play. You'd never see them recovering from an early setback because they just dont have the mental toughness for that.

I'm sure we wont agree on their stature so lets make predictions now. If NZ bat first on Wednesday and post 220+, England is gone. What do you say?

That English team weren’t bottlers; they were just not good enough, and this team is completely different. It will beat that English side black and blue in any conditions.

New Zealand won’t beat England, regardless of who wins the toss. You can mark it now and tag me when they do so. I will be here.

 

[farazaidi]

I wasnt talking about THAT team only, England in general have had bad record at WCs, 3 losses at the final and then failed to reach semis for 27 years now. It would be another almighty embarrassment if they get bundled out before semis again after all the hoopla and hype.

Alright then, see you on Wednesday !

 

[Hasan]

England’s destiny is in their hands, beat NZ and qualify! Think about it and this fact may dawn upon you. The only thing that Pak can control is the margin of their victory over Bang. (which is contingent upon Eng beating NZ).

And? If NZ beat ENG on Wednesday then England's destiny is out of their hand. What is your point? You think this is the first time teams have had to rely on other results to qualify in any kind of tournament?

 

[Technics 1210]

England’s destiny is in their hands, beat NZ and qualify! Think about it and this fact may dawn upon you. The only thing that Pak can control is the margin of their victory over Bang. (which is contingent upon Eng beating NZ).

You didn't answer my question. Never mind.

 

[Hasan]

Yes, best not to labour a point which is beyond your comprehensive.

You didn't answer my question. Never mind.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes, best not to labour a point which is beyond your comprehensive.

The points table is beyond your comprehension, still talking about NRR when it is woefully irrelevant now. But please do carry on like this is the first ever tournament you are following.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

England are favorites but so were England against Pakistan.

It can also happen that England lose to Nz and Pak lose to Bangladesh and England still go through.

 

[Hasan]

Clearly comprehension is not your strength, but for your benefit your are too stupid to understand the point and as your suggested - let’s drop it.

The points table is beyond your comprehension, still talking about NRR when it is woefully irrelevant now. But please do carry on like this is the first ever tournament you are following.

 

[farazaidi]

And? If NZ beat ENG on Wednesday then England's destiny is out of their hand. What is your point? You think this is the first time teams have had to rely on other results to qualify in any kind of tournament?

ICC World T20 2007. NZ & SA were tied with 4 points each and India needed to win their last match to qualify. India batted first, scored 153. SA in reply only needed 126 to qualify for the semis but fell short and in return, NZ qualified. YES ! NZ qualified depending on how poorly SA batted but that wont count here because only Pakistan benefit from other countries matches.

 

[xbronze]

ICC World T20 2007. NZ & SA were tied with 4 points each and India needed to win their last match to qualify. India batted first, scored 153. SA in reply only needed 126 to qualify for the semis but fell short and in return, NZ qualified. YES ! NZ qualified depending on how poorly SA batted but that wont count here because only Pakistan benefit from other countries matches.

Nice example

 

[nads_rocks]

So much wrong with this post.

The team that bashed Afghanistan, also got beaten by Pakistan and SL (allegedly circuits teams) and an average Australian team.

Pakistan beat Afghanistan with 2 balls to spare, well India beat Afghanistan in the final over too.

England were also looking at a do or die situation before today's game.

England also had a shameful and embarrassing loss vs Sri Lanka.

I could go on and on. You conveniently ignore the fact that Pakistan beat 3 higher ranked teams and England lost to 3 lower ranked teams, yet Pakistan do not deserve to go thorough but England does?

You post is premature anyway, Pakistan are still in this WC, and when Pakistan win the WC, I bet you will be congratulating all your friends and family instead of posting wrist-slitting nonsense.

No. If and that is a big IF Pakistan do win the world cup somehow, I will be happy I will be pleased BUT I will be honourable and not celebrate I wont hit the streets, I wont get the pakistan flag out because I wrote them out even out the top 4.

I aint gonna pretend I love this team because I don't. As a nation I love Pakistan but the cricket team I once was so passionate about and followed with blind passionate faith in its ups downs wins losses. I dont anymore.

I have seen a bunch of cowards in this whole tournament who have not shown even in 1 match they are deserving to win the world cup let alone get into the semi's.

I have seen no hunger, no spirit no seriousness in playing to win a game.

I have seen no faith in the team to go out there and attack, play fearlessly.

We are not in this world cup because of our own results, we are in this world cup hanging by a thread by handouts and freebies.

Pakistan beat 3 teams yes and so did England yes but losing convincingly without a fight and losing without a fight are 2 different things.

The performances have been below average.
The wins could have been more and better but we don't really start performing till its a do or die and that pathetic silly mentality needs to stop.

Why did this Indian loss not affect India because they know they have done everything to cement their place in the top 4 and 1 loss is not going to affect either their strength their unity their faith their belief their confidence or their Net Run Rate.

South Africa were a punching bag for everyone so lets not count that as a big win this world cup.
Afghans may have given India a close game but India are a team that always manages to win when the going gets tough they pull something out the bag unlike Pakistan.

If Pakistan lift the trophy I will be pleased but I won't celebrate you mark my words I do not lie. I don't believe this team deserves its praises or its celebrations after every game until it changes its mentality of going out there to win and not to just smile or chew a GUM!

 

[hass]

No, it's the number of wins that decide, NRR is the second tie breaker.

Except the number of wins between NZ and Pakistan would be the exact same if England and Pakistan win their final matches.

 

[Blazer7]

England start as clear favourites on Wednesday. NZ will have to play extremely well and England will have to make a lot of blunders in order for a favourable result for us.

We are pretty much out unless an upset takes place. We should however focus on playing the best we can vs Bangladesh.

 

[BakuGM]

Pak ----> 3 losses
Eng ----> 3 losses
NZ -----> 2 losses (potentially 3 if they lose to Eng)


Pak beat both Eng and NZ


But experts here are like Eng and NZ deserve to go through and Pak deserve to go home

Not sure why Pak fans are not giving credit to their own team as they are surely one of the top teams of the tournament. They started slow but right now are the most dangerous team and I can assure everyone that Australia has no desire to play us in the semis.

 

[mgtow]

I'm 90% sure that if we'd had Haris against Australia instead of Malik that we'd have won that game.

What a HUGE blunder that was, everyone knew it before the game and it is crystal clear now.

Senior culture literally cost us a semi-final place!!

I am sure if we had Haris Sohail and Hafeez, we wouldn’t have gotten all out in 105 against West Indies. That match is the reason why Pakistan might not qualify due to poor net run rate.

 

[farazaidi]

I am sure if we had Haris Sohail and Hafeez, we wouldn’t have gotten all out in 105 against West Indies. That match is the reason why Pakistan might not qualify due to poor net run rate.

Both Haris & Hafeez played that game bro, unfortunately none of them could rescue the slide.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...t-indies-2nd-match-icc-cricket-world-cup-2019

 

[barah_admi]

[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION]

will you reply to my question?

 

[Madplayer]

I have not come across a single post which blames Indis for Pakistan's position in this tournament, considering you have, could you quote them to me?

Its not just about Pakpassion. Even on social media fans have been blaming India for not playing well today. There were some posts from emotional fans in the match thread also and admittedly even i said a couple of things out of disappointment and anger. However, now that i have overcome the disappointment, i can see that there is need for instrospection.

 

[mgtow]

Both Haris & Hafeez played that game bro, unfortunately none of them could rescue the slide.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...t-indies-2nd-match-icc-cricket-world-cup-2019

I was being sarcastic. Of course they played hence we are behind net runrate.

 

[CricketIsAwesome]

It can also happen that England lose to Nz and Pak lose to Bangladesh and England still go through.

If Pak loses to Bangladesh, God help us as I can see this board explode with the conspiracy theorists having a field day starting with the invisible hand aka BCCI.

I already see Basit Ali & Sikandar Bakht in a strategy session planning their next statement

 

[Captain caveman]

When the tournament started everyone expected Pakistan team to smash the west indians into oblivion. Instead they lost in a humiliating fashion against the windies team who would later fail to win even 1 match. This is why every single game matters. That heavy defeat has come to bite Pakistan in the latter stages of the tournament where in all probability it would come down to the NRR between the 4th and the 5th team. And Pakistan's NRR is disastrous due to that 1st game.

Pakistan even lost to Australia after getting into positions from where they could have won the match. That has also played a role here.

Finally, Pakistan couldnt dish a heavy phainty to even Afghanistan which would have improved the NRR of the team. Neither to NZ nor to South Africa.

You can cry all you want, blame weather for washout against Srilanka, blame India for not playing well today etc. But in the end it all comes down to what you have yourself done. Pakistan should have done better to not be dependent on other teams' results.

BLAME FOR WHAT BHAI?
Pak has every chance to qualify for semis, and if we don't then we didn't deserve to!
Wheres this blame game coming from, apart from the indian fans, who are over estimating their importance again!

 

[barah_admi]

Its not just about Pakpassion. Even on social media fans have been blaming India for not playing well today. There were some posts from emotional fans in the match thread also and admittedly even i said a couple of things out of disappointment and anger. However, now that i have overcome the disappointment, i can see that there is need for instrospection.

Ok, so show me?

I have seen posts about how bad India played across social media, which is entirely justified but nothing regarding India is to blame for Pakistan's world cup situation.

 

[MRSN]

Pak ----> 3 losses
Eng ----> 3 losses
NZ -----> 2 losses (potentially 3 if they lose to Eng)


Pak beat both Eng and NZ


But experts here are like Eng and NZ deserve to go through and Pak deserve to go home

All of them didn't lose inside 13 overs of chase. I have never seen such a pathetic performance from Pakistan against mediocre team like WI.

 

[miandadrules]

If you leave your destiny in the hands of others, then you have no right to seek recourse.

 

[MRSN]

Not sure why Pak fans are not giving credit to their own team as they are surely one of the top teams of the tournament. They started slow but right now are the most dangerous team and I can assure everyone that Australia has no desire to play us in the semis.

Lols. We barely snatched win from Afghanistan and Aussies will fear us. Most teamd would be licking their lips at the thought of facing this mediocre team in semis.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pakistan lost heavily to a team that looks like a lost cause in the WC right now. Says it all really.

 

[Surya Kiran]

very up and down performance from Pakistan

 

[MRSN]

Coming 5th is actually the worst possible result for Pakistan. As this will potentially mean nothing will change post WC.

Finishing above Afghanistan, Bd and depleted WI and SL is nothing to proud of. It's an average performance especially considering our losses and not so convincing wins.

 

[Surya Kiran]

Brilliantly put. Unfortunately, it is the corrupt 92 mentality that is ruining our cricket, and that mentality got another boost two years ago in the form of the Champions Trophy. Success is a process and you have to work hard and think long-term. We don’t do any of that, and we expect to perform miracles when the moment comes.

Good point. 2009 T20 Win, 2017 CT Win some times layered over the deficiencies and it stopped administration from planning for the future and working on the loopholes - that is my outsider perspective. Even now, with World Cup going on, so many other boards are planning for the future by organizing "A" tours ex: SA "A" squad announced for Indian tour despite of them being knocked out.

I guess PCB will form a committee to see what has gone right/wrong for them in WC 2019 and what will happen after that is anybody's guess.

 

[Surya Kiran]

Finishing above Afghanistan, Bd and depleted WI and SL is nothing to proud of. It's an average performance especially considering our losses and not so convincing wins.

Do you think Wasim khan can be given a free hand to ring in the required changes?

I think he can make positive changes

 

[The_Odd_One]

Great post, I said the same in couple other posts and I am being criticised of being a fake fan.

I'm going to make it simple.

If you are in top 4 you deserve to be there because you have performed and did your nation proud and your players have done justice to wearing those colours.

If you are in top 4 because you pray for miracles or want handouts and freebies at the hands of other teams then you don't deserve to be in the top 4 or win the world cup.

Its simple.

Other teams didnt look to be in do or die situations, they won their games they earnt their points and they earnt their positive run rate to be in the top 4 or contenders for it.
[MENTION=2068]syed[/MENTION]_1 stay away from my post because you don't like reading fake expert analysis so stay in your miracle working bubble.

If Pakistan were serious about winning the world cup they would not have been out for 105 against a team we are prone to beating...
We could have and should have beaten England by a bigger margin especially after the total we posted but we didnt.
The washout didnt help but other teams have also had wash out or no result games...
We lost a winning game chasing well against Australia, that was our game to win but we did what we do best and lose from winning positions.
We got SCHOOLED by india, a shameful and embarassing loss that was.
We beat a team that is depleted and weak this world cup that being South Africa.
We scraped by against New Zealand when our best players of spin decided to take the game to the wire. Again didn't help the NRR

Then the opportunity came to completely demolish Afghans and chase that small total of 228 before the 40th over but OUR BEST PLAYERS OF SPIN and our Senior magician of playing spin Hafeez crumbled...

We took that to the last 2 balls where most teams would have cruised this with a 7 wicket and 12 overs win.

Then we celebrate like we've won the damn world cup.

Hit the streets, honk the cars, block the roads because we beat Afghanistan?

Our semi-final spot is not secure the world cup is not secure but we are celebrating because beating Afghans was a big milestone.

We drop catch after catch
we leak runs after runs
We do not take the attack to the opposition.
We do not attack the batsman
We do not play good field placements.
The ball is in the air we do not dive for it or run after it to catch.

We do not show intent, attack in our cricket or play positive or instill fear or improve on any weaknesses.

So why should this team deserve to be handed or gifted a semi final spot ahead of more deserving ones!

This England team today smashed Afghan spinners to everywhere and posted 397 runs we barely just scraped by on 228 run chase.

This England team took the attack to Indian spinners and scored 338 which is a winnable target these days and defended it by taking their opportunities, stopping singles, stopping the boundaries and catching!!

Our players smile when they drop a catch.
Our players fluff a run out.
Our players refuse to dive or get their clothes dirty.

In a game which is monumental and of importance. You do what it takes to win and if you know you need to improve your NRR you do that.

Don't blame pitch
Don't blame conditions
Don't blame lame excuses.

You are an international player representing your country, if you are worthy of being in the team then you adapt and you play on any pitch at any time in any condition.

Its as Simple as that!

The team has actually done very well after the first 3 games better than what was expected from them.

They were at #9 only above Afghanistan and then they managed to sneak into top 4 after beating South Africa, New Zealand, and Afghanistan in consecutive do-or-die matches. When was the last time Pakistan lifted their game like that? No team has beaten England on a batting belter but Pakistan did.

It is not wrong to say that the team has punched above their weight. After the WI defeat, most including myself had doubts that they may end up losing all of their matches but they have definitely surpassed the expectation of most.

India, England, New Zealand, and Australia were always the better teams so it won't be a surprise if they qualify for semis but it does not take away some good cricket that Pakistan has played in this world cup.

You need some luck in big tournaments. Pakistan were unlucky that their match against SL was washed out. NZ were lucky that their match against India was washed out. These things happen and Pakistan should have at least won their game against Afghanistan comprehensively to improve their NRR but then Afghanistan is no pushover, they even gave India a tough time.

If Pakistan beat Bangladesh and still fail to qualify for the semi-final, they can still go home as a proud team.

 

[MRSN]

Great post, I said the same in couple other posts and I am being criticised of being a fake fan.

I'm going to make it simple.

If you are in top 4 you deserve to be there because you have performed and did your nation proud and your players have done justice to wearing those colours.

If you are in top 4 because you pray for miracles or want handouts and freebies at the hands of other teams then you don't deserve to be in the top 4 or win the world cup.

Its simple.

Other teams didnt look to be in do or die situations, they won their games they earnt their points and they earnt their positive run rate to be in the top 4 or contenders for it.
[MENTION=2068]syed[/MENTION]_1 stay away from my post because you don't like reading fake expert analysis so stay in your miracle working bubble.

If Pakistan were serious about winning the world cup they would not have been out for 105 against a team we are prone to beating...
We could have and should have beaten England by a bigger margin especially after the total we posted but we didnt.
The washout didnt help but other teams have also had wash out or no result games...
We lost a winning game chasing well against Australia, that was our game to win but we did what we do best and lose from winning positions.
We got SCHOOLED by india, a shameful and embarassing loss that was.
We beat a team that is depleted and weak this world cup that being South Africa.
We scraped by against New Zealand when our best players of spin decided to take the game to the wire. Again didn't help the NRR

Then the opportunity came to completely demolish Afghans and chase that small total of 228 before the 40th over but OUR BEST PLAYERS OF SPIN and our Senior magician of playing spin Hafeez crumbled...

We took that to the last 2 balls where most teams would have cruised this with a 7 wicket and 12 overs win.

Then we celebrate like we've won the damn world cup.

Hit the streets, honk the cars, block the roads because we beat Afghanistan?

Our semi-final spot is not secure the world cup is not secure but we are celebrating because beating Afghans was a big milestone.

We drop catch after catch
we leak runs after runs
We do not take the attack to the opposition.
We do not attack the batsman
We do not play good field placements.
The ball is in the air we do not dive for it or run after it to catch.

We do not show intent, attack in our cricket or play positive or instill fear or improve on any weaknesses.

So why should this team deserve to be handed or gifted a semi final spot ahead of more deserving ones!

This England team today smashed Afghan spinners to everywhere and posted 397 runs we barely just scraped by on 228 run chase.

This England team took the attack to Indian spinners and scored 338 which is a winnable target these days and defended it by taking their opportunities, stopping singles, stopping the boundaries and catching!!

Our players smile when they drop a catch.
Our players fluff a run out.
Our players refuse to dive or get their clothes dirty.

In a game which is monumental and of importance. You do what it takes to win and if you know you need to improve your NRR you do that.

Don't blame pitch
Don't blame conditions
Don't blame lame excuses.

You are an international player representing your country, if you are worthy of being in the team then you adapt and you play on any pitch at any time in any condition.

Its as Simple as that!

Great post. No matter how much passion we show our pathetic team don't deserve to go to semis especially our fat belly leader getting away from criticism and being sacked. It's time to remove liabilities and bring fresh faces. Because these liabilities have been reason of a mediocre 2 years period.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Pak ----> 3 losses
Eng ----> 3 losses
NZ -----> 2 losses (potentially 3 if they lose to Eng)


Pak beat both Eng and NZ


But experts here are like Eng and NZ deserve to go through and Pak deserve to go home

Absolutely! On top of that you add in the fact that Pakistan beat both other teams competing and you will see how ludicrous it sounds to say NZ or Eng deserve to go through to the SF ahead fo Pakistan...

Wrist-slitters were forced to shut up for the last week or so thanks to the teams performance, however yesterday they were praying for India to screw up against England so that they can crawl out from under their rocks

 

[Havok]

No the format is to be blamed as it allows for manipulation and whoever dispenses with an innate integrity to actually manipulate to spite their perceived enemies/foes...

India played well enough that they could lose a match if they wanted to, who’s fault is that? Pakistans, for not t being good enough and depending on India and that’s the format of every sports in existence, nothing you can do about it.

 

[The_Odd_One]

When the tournament started everyone expected Pakistan team to smash the west indians into oblivion. Instead they lost in a humiliating fashion against the windies team who would later fail to win even 1 match. This is why every single game matters. That heavy defeat has come to bite Pakistan in the latter stages of the tournament where in all probability it would come down to the NRR between the 4th and the 5th team. And Pakistan's NRR is disastrous due to that 1st game.

Pakistan even lost to Australia after getting into positions from where they could have won the match. That has also played a role here.

Finally, Pakistan couldnt dish a heavy phainty to even Afghanistan which would have improved the NRR of the team. Neither to NZ nor to South Africa.

You can cry all you want, blame weather for washout against Srilanka, blame India for not playing well today etc. But in the end it all comes down to what you have yourself done. Pakistan should have done better to not be dependent on other teams' results.

When the tournament started, everyone also expected England to smash both Pakistan and Sri Lanka and yet they lost both of these games. Upsets happen in Cricket. What matters is how many games you end up winning. If Pakistan beat Bangladesh and fail to qualify for semis, they will still go home with 5 wins in 8 completed matches which is a far better result than what was initially expected of them.

 

[MRSN]

The team has actually done very well after the first 3 games better than what was expected from them.

They were at #9 only above Afghanistan and then they managed to sneak into top 4 after beating South Africa, New Zealand, and Afghanistan in consecutive do-or-die matches. When was the last time Pakistan lifted their game like that? No team has beaten England on a batting belter but Pakistan did.

It is not wrong to say that the team has punched above their weight. After the WI defeat, most including myself had doubts that they may end up losing all of their matches but they have definitely surpassed the expectation of most.

India, England, New Zealand, and Australia were always the better teams so it won't be a surprise if they qualify for semis but it does not take away some good cricket that Pakistan has played in this world cup.

You need some luck in big tournaments. Pakistan were unlucky that their match against SL was washed out. NZ were lucky that their match against India was washed out. These things happen and Pakistan should have at least won their game against Afghanistan comprehensively to improve their NRR but then Afghanistan is no pushover, they even gave India a tough time.

If Pakistan beat Bangladesh and still fail to qualify for the semi-final, they can still go home as a proud team.

There was no luck involved when we handed a 13 overs chase to WI and a mega collapse against Aus and Ind. We had chance to improve our NRR against Afghanistan and Bangladesh but I think even winning is hard for this team forget about thrashing by big margins to make a way for semis.

This format is the best one as this makes sure to separate men from the boys. You have to beat quality sides to be able to reach semis.

 

[MRSN]

When the tournament started, everyone also expected England to smash both Pakistan and Sri Lanka and yet they lost both of these games. Upsets happen in Cricket. What matters is how many games you end up winning. If Pakistan beat Bangladesh and fail to qualify for semis, they will still go home with 5 wins in 8 completed matches which is a far better result than what was initially expected of them.

Lols. Yeah moral victory for Pakistan. Coming at 5 is a satisfactory performance and amazingly some fans are happy.

Good lord I didn't wait four years to see our team finish at 5.

 

[MRSN]

When the tournament started, everyone also expected England to smash both Pakistan and Sri Lanka and yet they lost both of these games. Upsets happen in Cricket. What matters is how many games you end up winning. If Pakistan beat Bangladesh and fail to qualify for semis, they will still go home with 5 wins in 8 completed matches which is a far better result than what was initially expected of them.

What matters is you end up winning trophy not no. Of matches you have won. And you can't win trophy with mediocre players. Big games requires big players but Pakistan was always content with mediocrity which is why we will finish at 5 not in top four or play final or become champions.

 

[light]

If England loses on Wednesday , Pakistan vs India is confirmed Final

Some of you fans really need to stop counting your chickens before they are hatched. You guys still have a game left. Then followed up semifinal if that is to happen (big if).

 

[BakuGM]

Absolutely! On top of that you add in the fact that Pakistan beat both other teams competing and you will see how ludicrous it sounds to say NZ or Eng deserve to go through to the SF ahead fo Pakistan...

Wrist-slitters were forced to shut up for the last week or so thanks to the teams performance, however yesterday they were praying for India to screw up against England so that they can crawl out from under their rocks

Right on brother, the hate been given by the likes of MRSN, NADS, etc are ridiculous. Way can't they understand that we became a better team as the tournament went on and now a top 4 team at the minimum. But some people hate players on the team which makes their intent very clear......

 

[Usman Chadda]

Good point. 2009 T20 Win, 2017 CT Win some times layered over the deficiencies and it stopped administration from planning for the future and working on the loopholes - that is my outsider perspective. Even now, with World Cup going on, so many other boards are planning for the future by organizing "A" tours ex: SA "A" squad announced for Indian tour despite of them being knocked out.

I guess PCB will form a committee to see what has gone right/wrong for them in WC 2019 and what will happen after that is anybody's guess.

Yes, because 2003, 2007 WC and 2013 CT debacles really fixed our cricket

 

[The_Odd_One]

There was no luck involved when we handed a 13 overs chase to WI and a mega collapse against Aus and Ind. We had chance to improve our NRR against Afghanistan and Bangladesh but I think even winning is hars for this team forget about thrashing by big margins to make a way for semis.

This format is the best one as this makes sure to separate men from the boys. You have to beat quality sides to be able to reach semis.

England and New Zealand, two of the 4 teams to play semi-finals, are not quality teams?

If England beats New Zealand, the latter will still qualify for the semis despite losing to Australia and England, and getting their India game whitewashed. They will still play semis ahead of Pakistan despite barely managing to beat South Africa, West Indies, and Bangladesh in very close games. Pakistan on the other hand will go home despite winning 4 games in a row that lifted them from #9 position to #5.

I think Pakistani fans have unrealistic expectations from their team. I am the first to criticize Pakistani team whether it is Sarfraz's batting or Fakhar's tail-ender like batting, or Babar's inability to finish games. But, let's give the credit when it is due.

Before the world cup, this team lost to NZ 5-0, England 4-0, and South Africa 3-2. Yet, they managed to win against all three teams in the world cup in do or die matches.

There is no shame in losing to India and Australia who are miles ahead of Pakistan in every aspect of game so the result was not a surprise.

Even before the WI game, the majority were betting on WI win considering their recent form. Only after WI started losing left and right, most of the posters changed their tune. Let's not forget that West Indies has always been a very unpredictable team. On their day, they can beat any team in the world, other days, they would play like a minnow.

If they beat Bangladesh, they will go home with 5 wins in 8 matches beating England, NZ, South Africa, and Bangladesh, all better ODI teams than Pakistan which will be still a very good result.

 

[The_Odd_One]

What matters is you end up winning trophy not no. Of matches you have won. And you can't win trophy with mediocre players. Big games requires big players but Pakistan was always content with mediocrity which is why we will finish at 5 not in top four or play final or become champions.

Did you seriously expect Pakistan to lift the trophy?

Pakistan were never favorites to go all the way but the team has done very well in this tournament considering the losing the streak they have been through.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Lols. Yeah moral victory for Pakistan. Coming at 5 is a satisfactory performance and amazingly some fans are happy.

Good lord I didn't wait four years to see our team finish at 5.

Pakistan were never good enough to win the world cup. They have not been among the top 4 teams for over a decade. You were delusional if you thought this team was capable of getting in top 4 on points table.

If they beat Bangladesh, 5 wins in 8 games will still be a very good result considering there is no minnow bashing these numbers. England, New Zealand, and South Africa are all ranked better than Pakistan in ODI rankings. Despite the rankings, Bangladesh is a better ODI team than Pakistan.

 

[MRSN]

Right on brother, the hate been given by the likes of MRSN, NADS, etc are ridiculous. Way can't they understand that we became a better team as the tournament went on and now a top 4 team at the minimum. But some people hate players on the team which makes their intent very clear......

It is funny that you question our intent. Have you been living under a rock for past two years? Pakistan have been losing so many matches that people called them not inconsistent but consistently poor. The thing that makes me furious as a fan is the lack of accountability.

Look at our captain..worst wk batsman in all the team playing this wc yet he is our captain.
Shadab..guy can't turn the damn ball even if his life depended on it yet hr is our key spinner.
Malik and Hafeez..the backbone of our team who get out with soft dismissals without any contribution.

These people have got away with all the pathetic performances in the last two years and then we take them into wc and what do you expect? Aussie team was struggling big time before wc as well but they improved big times and brought important changes and now they are at the top of table.

Pakistan should be ashamed if they do not even make semis. Even Misbab took Pakistan to KO stage.

 

[The_Odd_One]

New Zealand managed to beat Bangladesh with 2 wickets in hand chasing chasing 248 in 48 overs, South Africa in the 49th over chasing 242, West Indies by 5 runs defending 291. They lost comprehensively to Australia, got a whitewash against India, and will most likely lose to England. Despite these results, they will rightfully play the semis. However, this does not change the fact that they have been incredibly lucky in this tournament.

 

[MRSN]

Some people just like to complain and whine and drown themselves in self-pity about how rubbish they think what they have is.

I feel sorry for such sad individuals.

You should feel proud of 5th spot finish. What a world class finish. I knew the moment Imad was hitting poor gulbadin that some people will forget how awful their team has played against Afghanistan and that is what I am seeing so not surprised a bit.

Keep enjoying mediocre level finish because that's what mediocre teams can achieve best.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Some people just like to complain and whine and drown themselves in self-pity about how rubbish they think what they have is.

I feel sorry for such sad individuals.

I think you would be extremely "salty" if Pakistan managed to win against Ban but still lose out on a semi spot.

Especially after they defeated both Eng and NZ, the other teams who will take their place in semi finals.

I am sure in "your honest opinion" Pakistan deserves it more than Eng and Nz To be in semis.

But the good news is, its not "still over" and England can still crash out.

The bad news is Pakistan might pay for losing a 100 over game in 3 and half hours.

Do you think its fair ?

Probably not.

But if Pakistan crashes out because of NRR, you dont get to moan about Pak beating NZ and Eng and "deserving a spot".

Just like I dont get to "moan about Pakistan actually winning 3 on the trot" when it seemed least likely.

If we end up in semis we deserve it.

If we DONT we DONT deserve it.

Accept it.

 

[mesmerizer85]

Guys, how can you expect PAK to be consistently winning with your seniors averaging in 30s. Look at other teams and you will realize how many 40-50s averaging batsmen they have including their senior lot. To be honest when this team was selected we all had to keep our expectations low. Now that we have somehow managed to stay alive we can just pray for a miracle else be satisfied by a 'good performance' and not 'great' performance. I guess with some proper changes post WC we might see a better performance from the team..

 

[TalhaSyed]

I think you would be extremely "salty" if Pakistan managed to win against Ban but still lose out on a semi spot.

Especially after they defeated both Eng and NZ, the other teams who will take their place in semi finals.

I am sure in "your honest opinion" Pakistan deserves it more than Eng and Nz To be in semis.

But the good news is, its not "still over" and England can still crash out.

The bad news is Pakistan might pay for losing a 100 over game in 3 and half hours.

Do you think its fair ?

Probably not.

But if Pakistan crashes out because of NRR, you dont get to moan about Pak beating NZ and Eng and "deserving a spot".

Just like I dont get to "moan about Pakistan actually winning 3 on the trot" when it seemed least likely.

If we end up in semis we deserve it.

If we DONT we DONT deserve it.

Accept it.

Yup - please show me any post where I don't accept it....

In fact here is a post from me from 17th of June:

If Pakistan - or any other team for that matter - end up in the top 4 at the end of the end of the group games then they deserve to be in the semi final.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ats-thread&p=10339739&highlight=#post10339739

doesn't change the fact that Pakistan would be unlucky to miss out of a SF spot if 2 team which they have beaten qualify ahead of them

 

[TalhaSyed]

Great post, I said the same in couple other posts and I am being criticised of being a fake fan.

I'm going to make it simple.

If you are in top 4 you deserve to be there because you have performed and did your nation proud and your players have done justice to wearing those colours.

If you are in top 4 because you pray for miracles or want handouts and freebies at the hands of other teams then you don't deserve to be in the top 4 or win the world cup.

Its simple.

Other teams didnt look to be in do or die situations, they won their games they earnt their points and they earnt their positive run rate to be in the top 4 or contenders for it.
[MENTION=2068]syed[/MENTION]_1 stay away from my post because you don't like reading fake expert analysis so stay in your miracle working bubble.

If Pakistan were serious about winning the world cup they would not have been out for 105 against a team we are prone to beating...
We could have and should have beaten England by a bigger margin especially after the total we posted but we didnt.
The washout didnt help but other teams have also had wash out or no result games...
We lost a winning game chasing well against Australia, that was our game to win but we did what we do best and lose from winning positions.
We got SCHOOLED by india, a shameful and embarassing loss that was.
We beat a team that is depleted and weak this world cup that being South Africa.
We scraped by against New Zealand when our best players of spin decided to take the game to the wire. Again didn't help the NRR

Then the opportunity came to completely demolish Afghans and chase that small total of 228 before the 40th over but OUR BEST PLAYERS OF SPIN and our Senior magician of playing spin Hafeez crumbled...

We took that to the last 2 balls where most teams would have cruised this with a 7 wicket and 12 overs win.

Then we celebrate like we've won the damn world cup.

Hit the streets, honk the cars, block the roads because we beat Afghanistan?

Our semi-final spot is not secure the world cup is not secure but we are celebrating because beating Afghans was a big milestone.

We drop catch after catch
we leak runs after runs
We do not take the attack to the opposition.
We do not attack the batsman
We do not play good field placements.
The ball is in the air we do not dive for it or run after it to catch.

We do not show intent, attack in our cricket or play positive or instill fear or improve on any weaknesses.

So why should this team deserve to be handed or gifted a semi final spot ahead of more deserving ones!

This England team today smashed Afghan spinners to everywhere and posted 397 runs we barely just scraped by on 228 run chase.

This England team took the attack to Indian spinners and scored 338 which is a winnable target these days and defended it by taking their opportunities, stopping singles, stopping the boundaries and catching!!

Our players smile when they drop a catch.
Our players fluff a run out.
Our players refuse to dive or get their clothes dirty.

In a game which is monumental and of importance. You do what it takes to win and if you know you need to improve your NRR you do that.

Don't blame pitch
Don't blame conditions
Don't blame lame excuses.

You are an international player representing your country, if you are worthy of being in the team then you adapt and you play on any pitch at any time in any condition.

Its as Simple as that!

Uff...

You must have been red in the face ready to pop whilst waiting for a chance to post this. India gave you that chance by throwing away the game vs England and you wasted little time to get all this out there.

I feel sorry for such pessimistic sad souls who desperately seek negativity in everything.

My personal favorite part of your post was:

@syed_1 stay away from my post because you don't like reading fake expert analysis so stay in your miracle working bubble.

Basically admitting that your post is fake expert analysis

Anyway - lets look at the 3 teams in question performance shall we:

Pakistan

- Got hammered by WI & Ind
- Convincingly beat SA
- Beat NZ & Eng
- Scraped victory against Afg
- Lost a game they should have won vs Aus
- Were unlucky for the game to be rained off vs SL

New Zealand

- Convincingly beat SL & Afg
- Beat Bang
- Got lucky by rain vs Ind
- Scraped victory vs SA & WI
- Got hammered by Aus
- Lost to Pakistan

England

- Hammered SA, Bang, WI & Afg
- Beat India
- Lost to Aus, SL & Pak

From the above - how can you say that NZ or Eng should qualify for the SF but Pak shouldn't?

Please tell me "NZ have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak" or "Eng have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak".

I'll start -

Pakistan beat England & New Zealand thats why they should go to the SF rather than Eng of NZ. If 2 teams whom Pakistan beat in the group stage qualify ahead of them that would be unfortunate for Pakistan.

Your turn.

 

[nam]

Bhaiyon 'Ghabrana Naye Hai' - England will lose to New Zealand and we will beat Bangladesh and go on to win the World Cup Inshallah!

 

[mesmerizer85]

By the way we can also say:
' England have themselves to blame for the position they are in at the moment'

 

[goran]

We should be proud even if we don't reach semis. No one expected anything from this team. It was in a bad situation and was consistently losing match after match, so to come this far is an achievement in itself. If luck favors and we reach semis, then In Sha Allah we have the capability to go on and win the WC. This team deserves high praise and should be credited for their wonderful performance so far.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Yup - please show me any post where I don't accept it....

In fact here is a post from me from 17th of June:



http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ats-thread&p=10339739&highlight=#post10339739

doesn't change the fact that Pakistan would be unlucky to miss out of a SF spot if 2 team which they have beaten qualify ahead of them

No they wouldnt.

The format of THIS tournament or any tournament which depends on NRR, which every SINGLE WC till many years now is based on NRR.

This means, if you are to lose, make sure you DONT FINISH the game in 3 hours.

If you do, and later say "ifs, buts and blahs" only 3 things are conspicuous.

1. You LOST the game in 3 hours because you weren't AWARE of the impact of NRR ( in which case you absolutely deserve missing out).

2. You believe its okay to lose big and then scrape some wins on the fag end of the competition and scrape into semis at the cost of other teams ( if you Do believe in number 2, you should NOT consider Pakistan unlucky if they miss out but RATHER LUCKY if they qualify, because they upped it only after getting thrashings earlier).

3. You believe head to head should matter more, but were that the case, I can ALMOST assure you teams would FOCUS ON NRR less and Head to Head more.

Which brings me to my original point.

Why DOES Pakistan knowing fully well that NRR will come into the picture loses the 1st game of the competition in under 3 hours, wins the next, proceeds to lose the next 2 major games and has a washout and then wins the next 2 comfortably, scrapes through Afghanistan and (insert Bangla result here) deserve it MORE when its clear that HEAVY LOSSES are to be AVOIDED in this competition?

Your turn.

 

[zulfiqar]

If Pakistan do not qualify, of course they will have themselves to blame - why would we blame someone else? One washed out game is not the primary reason for us being knocked out. If we can beat Bangladesh and still get knocked out, the reason for our exit will be because we were not convincing in our victories (i.e. net run rate). That will be the main reason and will give future teams/coaches something to think about. It's important to win big when the chance presents itself - it always has been ever since NRR has been used to decide tiebreakers - we ourselves have been on both sides of the NRR plenty of times.

There will always be a little bit of salt - but most rational people will know that losing 3 games (that too by huge margins) out of 9, and then not winning big will usually cost you a spot in the top 4.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Don't give up so easily. We still in it . Picture abhi baqi hai mere dost .

 

[zulfiqar]

No they wouldnt.

The format of THIS tournament or any tournament which depends on NRR, which every SINGLE WC till many years now is based on NRR.

This means, if you are to lose, make sure you DONT FINISH the game in 3 hours.

If you do, and later say "ifs, buts and blahs" only 3 things are conspicuous.

1. You LOST the game in 3 hours because you weren't AWARE of the impact of NRR ( in which case you absolutely deserve missing out).

2. You believe its okay to lose big and then scrape some wins on the fag end of the competition and scrape into semis at the cost of other teams ( if you Do believe in number 2, you should NOT consider Pakistan unlucky if they miss out but RATHER LUCKY if they qualify, because they upped it only after getting thrashings earlier).

3. You believe head to head should matter more, but were that the case, I can ALMOST assure you teams would FOCUS ON NRR less and Head to Head more.

Which brings me to my original point.

Why DOES Pakistan knowing fully well that NRR will come into the picture loses the 1st game of the competition in under 3 hours, wins the next, proceeds to lose the next 2 major games and has a washout and then wins the next 2 comfortably, scrapes through Afghanistan and (insert Bangla result here) deserve it MORE when its clear that HEAVY LOSSES are to be AVOIDED in this competition?

Your turn.

Yup, it's true that NRR has been used as a decider for so long that we should've known better to protect it. The problem is that PAK always starts slow, so the primary damage to our NRR was done in the first game of the tournament - after which we steadily improved. It's not even a case of leaving too much for too late, it's more a case of falling into a deep trench with your first step, and never having a good shot at climbing out of it.

That being said, I do have thoughts on tie-breakers, and I do not think # of wins should be used as a first tie-breaker because ODI cricket does not see many ties. Draws are out of teams' hands (unlike soccer or test cricket where it is a common occurence) - so # of wins should never be used as a tiebreaker. Head to head is much more effective. NRR should come in second.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Uff...

You must have been red in the face ready to pop whilst waiting for a chance to post this. India gave you that chance by throwing away the game vs England and you wasted little time to get all this out there.

I feel sorry for such pessimistic sad souls who desperately seek negativity in everything.

My personal favorite part of your post was:



Basically admitting that your post is fake expert analysis

Anyway - lets look at the 3 teams in question performance shall we:

Pakistan

- Got hammered by WI & Ind
- Convincingly beat SA
- Beat NZ & Eng
- Scraped victory against Afg
- Lost a game they should have won vs Aus
- Were unlucky for the game to be rained off vs SL

New Zealand

- Convincingly beat SL & Afg
- Beat Bang
- Got lucky by rain vs Ind
- Scraped victory vs SA & WI
- Got hammered by Aus
- Lost to Pakistan

England

- Hammered SA, Bang, WI & Afg
- Beat India
- Lost to Aus, SL & Pak

From the above - how can you say that NZ or Eng should qualify for the SF but Pak shouldn't?

Please tell me "NZ have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak" or "Eng have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak".

I'll start -

Pakistan beat England & New Zealand thats why they should go to the SF rather than Eng of NZ. If 2 teams whom Pakistan beat in the group stage qualify ahead of them that would be unfortunate for Pakistan.

Your turn.

No they wouldnt.

The format of THIS tournament or any tournament which depends on NRR, which every SINGLE WC till many years now is based on NRR.

This means, if you are to lose, make sure you DONT FINISH the game in 3 hours.

If you do, and later say "ifs, buts and blahs" only 3 things are conspicuous.

1. You LOST the game in 3 hours because you weren't AWARE of the impact of NRR ( in which case you absolutely deserve missing out).

2. You believe its okay to lose big and then scrape some wins on the fag end of the competition and scrape into semis at the cost of other teams ( if you Do believe in number 2, you should NOT consider Pakistan unlucky if they miss out but RATHER LUCKY if they qualify, because they upped it only after getting thrashings earlier).

3. You believe head to head should matter more, but were that the case, I can ALMOST assure you teams would FOCUS ON NRR less and Head to Head more.

Which brings me to my original point.

Why DOES Pakistan knowing fully well that NRR will come into the picture loses the 1st game of the competition in under 3 hours, wins the next, proceeds to lose the next 2 major games and has a washout and then wins the next 2 comfortably, scrapes through Afghanistan and (insert Bangla result here) deserve it MORE when its clear that HEAVY LOSSES are to be AVOIDED in this competition?

Your turn.

I've lost count of how many times in this WC you have quoted my posts, had a massive rant, completely missed the point and ended up looking silly.

Before copying my post at least take your turn first:

Please tell me "NZ have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak" or "Eng have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak".
.
.
.
Pakistan beat England & New Zealand thats why they should go to the SF rather than Eng of NZ. If 2 teams whom Pakistan beat in the group stage qualify ahead of them that would be unfortunate for Pakistan.

Your Turn

If you wanna play the game Doc - you gotta take your turn first before. What have NZ and Eng done which makes them a viable contender to go through that Pakistan haven't?

 

[Chokli]

[MENTION=148409]rockyboy2018[/MENTION]

Pakistan still winning?

 

[Savak]

This thread is ridiculous, Pakistan team has punched above its weight in the tournament, this team was coming off a 12 consecutive odi loss streak. By beating the likes of England, NZ, South Africa, they have punched above their weight so far in the tournament.

Barring our loss to WI, the loss to Australia and India was expected. The washout against Sri Lanka was bad luck.

 

[Technics 1210]

Uff...

You must have been red in the face ready to pop whilst waiting for a chance to post this. India gave you that chance by throwing away the game vs England and you wasted little time to get all this out there.

I feel sorry for such pessimistic sad souls who desperately seek negativity in everything.

My personal favorite part of your post was:



Basically admitting that your post is fake expert analysis

Anyway - lets look at the 3 teams in question performance shall we:

Pakistan

- Got hammered by WI & Ind
- Convincingly beat SA
- Beat NZ & Eng
- Scraped victory against Afg
- Lost a game they should have won vs Aus
- Were unlucky for the game to be rained off vs SL

New Zealand

- Convincingly beat SL & Afg
- Beat Bang
- Got lucky by rain vs Ind
- Scraped victory vs SA & WI
- Got hammered by Aus
- Lost to Pakistan

England

- Hammered SA, Bang, WI & Afg
- Beat India
- Lost to Aus, SL & Pak

From the above - how can you say that NZ or Eng should qualify for the SF but Pak shouldn't?

Please tell me "NZ have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak" or "Eng have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak".

I'll start -

Pakistan beat England & New Zealand thats why they should go to the SF rather than Eng of NZ. If 2 teams whom Pakistan beat in the group stage qualify ahead of them that would be unfortunate for Pakistan.

Your turn.

You have uprooted his middle stump with a yorker!

Their hatred of Pakistan, hypocrisy, and illogical fallacies, are so easy to expose.

 

[DeadlyYorker]

Yup, it's true that NRR has been used as a decider for so long that we should've known better to protect it. The problem is that PAK always starts slow, so the primary damage to our NRR was done in the first game of the tournament - after which we steadily improved. It's not even a case of leaving too much for too late, it's more a case of falling into a deep trench with your first step, and never having a good shot at climbing out of it.

That being said, I do have thoughts on tie-breakers, and I do not think # of wins should be used as a first tie-breaker because ODI cricket does not see many ties. Draws are out of teams' hands (unlike soccer or test cricket where it is a common occurence) - so # of wins should never be used as a tiebreaker. Head to head is much more effective. NRR should come in second.

Its more a case of falling into a deep trench with your first step,and never having a good shot at climbing out of it....

Who said its true?

After falling badly from one step you still had chance to not fall in remaing matches ,still you did and you did again and almost fell of in last game played as well if ot wasnt for umpiring and opposition teams captain's grace...
If other team gets to go over you its only because they played better cricket and nothing and nothing else

 

[RajHeeRaj]

Pak ----> 3 losses
Eng ----> 3 losses
NZ -----> 2 losses (potentially 3 if they lose to Eng)


Pak beat both Eng and NZ


But experts here are like Eng and NZ deserve to go through and Pak deserve to go home

Well you guys definitely do deserve to go home for getting thrashed by a mediocre WI side

 

[angeldsoul]

This tournament is nearly done but as in most football competitions the first tie break is normally head to head record then wins plus goal difference
I would like to see that in future world cup tournaments
No complaint about this one as everyone knew the rules

Just that head to head being gurst tie breaker makes alot of sense

 

[Technics 1210]

No they wouldnt.

The format of THIS tournament or any tournament which depends on NRR, which every SINGLE WC till many years now is based on NRR.

This means, if you are to lose, make sure you DONT FINISH the game in 3 hours.

If you do, and later say "ifs, buts and blahs" only 3 things are conspicuous.

1. You LOST the game in 3 hours because you weren't AWARE of the impact of NRR ( in which case you absolutely deserve missing out).

2. You believe its okay to lose big and then scrape some wins on the fag end of the competition and scrape into semis at the cost of other teams ( if you Do believe in number 2, you should NOT consider Pakistan unlucky if they miss out but RATHER LUCKY if they qualify, because they upped it only after getting thrashings earlier).

3. You believe head to head should matter more, but were that the case, I can ALMOST assure you teams would FOCUS ON NRR less and Head to Head more.

Which brings me to my original point.

Why DOES Pakistan knowing fully well that NRR will come into the picture loses the 1st game of the competition in under 3 hours, wins the next, proceeds to lose the next 2 major games and has a washout and then wins the next 2 comfortably, scrapes through Afghanistan and (insert Bangla result here) deserve it MORE when its clear that HEAVY LOSSES are to be AVOIDED in this competition?

Your turn.

More hindsight vision!

In a Round Robin format of 10 teams, NRR rarely comes into play. This is basic mathematics and probability. Please checkout the 1992 table. Pakistan qualified based on number of wins, not NRR. In fact, look at the 1992 the table, NOT A SINGLE team in the top 4 had equal win points, which meant NRR was irrelevant. The longer the format, the less chance of NRR coming into play. To draw parallels, how many times has goal difference decided a winner of the EPL?

The odds of NRR coming into play after playing NINE games is minimal comparing to NRR coming into play after playing 2 or 3 games in a group. Moreover number of wins is the first tie break in this WC, NRR second.

Granted, the first game effected Pakistan's NRR, but it is ridiculous to suggest that a second tie breaker should be played for from the onset. Number of wins count first.

 

[DeadlyYorker]

Uff...

You must have been red in the face ready to pop whilst waiting for a chance to post this. India gave you that chance by throwing away the game vs England and you wasted little time to get all this out there.

I feel sorry for such pessimistic sad souls who desperately seek negativity in everything.

My personal favorite part of your post was:



Basically admitting that your post is fake expert analysis

Anyway - lets look at the 3 teams in question performance shall we:

Pakistan

- Got hammered by WI & Ind
- Convincingly beat SA
- Beat NZ & Eng
- Scraped victory against Afg
- Lost a game they should have won vs Aus
- Were unlucky for the game to be rained off vs SL

New Zealand

- Convincingly beat SL & Afg
- Beat Bang
- Got lucky by rain vs Ind
- Scraped victory vs SA & WI
- Got hammered by Aus
- Lost to Pakistan

England

- Hammered SA, Bang, WI & Afg
- Beat India
- Lost to Aus, SL & Pak

From the above - how can you say that NZ or Eng should qualify for the SF but Pak shouldn't?

Please tell me "NZ have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak" or "Eng have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak".

I'll start -

Pakistan beat England & New Zealand thats why they should go to the SF rather than Eng of NZ. If 2 teams whom Pakistan beat in the group stage qualify ahead of them that would be unfortunate for Pakistan.

Your turn.

Why pakistan did not play like india did for NRR when they knew they were losing....
Just beacuse you learn importance of NRR in this wc doesnt mean it wasnt important...
Its used in all the competitions let it be...WC,IPL,PSL,BBL..

Your team isnt some galli mohalla team but a professional international team with good cricketing cultural background and experience.

In champ trophy ind beat pak first,if there was case where only one of either will qualify,your biased logic would have had pak disqualified who later went on to win the trophy...


Most importantly,anything can happen in SF and final many times teams who lost in group stages comesout on top in SF vs whom they alread lost.That itself proves head to head are meaning less to decide how team would fare in KO stage and thus NRR is preffered to give better idea about who played overall better cricket...

Method of qualification was decided before start of wc just because your team is in sillyspot ,you put up your green glasses doesnt mean everyone has.

Teams that are competing from a previously decided methods are only in contention as long as they are in top to move to next stage..


Ifs and buts never end.

If pak qualifies they deserve it if they dont they dont deserve it

 

[mesmerizer85]

Just for update:

England and New Zealand have faced each other in 8 matches in ICC Cricket World Cup tournaments.

Out of these 8 games , England have won 3 whereas New Zealand have come out victorious on 5 occasions . The highest total posted by England is 322 runs while highest score posted by New Zealand is 239 when these two teams have clashed with each other in WC. 125 is the lowest total posted by New Zealand and 123 is the lowest total posted by England in the marquee event.

 

[Surya Kiran]

Yes, because 2003, 2007 WC and 2013 CT debacles really fixed our cricket

2003 WC Debacle - put an end to lots of careers - Rashid, Wasim, Waqar, Azhar(he was not part of the team regularly since then) and went for young cricketers to build the team

2007 WC Debacle - I don't think anything came out of it as cricket was secondary and rightly so as Bob Woolmer died unfortunately

2013 CT - Is that a debacle? I didn't follow that tournament

 

[Technics 1210]

Just for update:

England and New Zealand have faced each other in 8 matches in ICC Cricket World Cup tournaments.

Out of these 8 games , England have won 3 whereas New Zealand have come out victorious on 5 occasions . The highest total posted by England is 322 runs while highest score posted by New Zealand is 239 when these two teams have clashed with each other in WC. 125 is the lowest total posted by New Zealand and 123 is the lowest total posted by England in the marquee event.

These are fascinating stats, but the only stat that matters in on the day.

 

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These are fascinating stats, but the only stat that matters in on the day.

Which also means both these teams are equally balanced. Unlike pak vs ind :/