Pakistan team has no one to blame for this situation but itself

[Technics 1210]

2003 WC Debacle - put an end to lots of careers - Rashid, Wasim, Waqar, Azhar(he was not part of the team regularly since then) and went for young cricketers to build the team

2007 WC Debacle - I don't think anything came out of it as cricket was secondary and rightly so as Bob Woolmer died unfortunately

2013 CT - Is that a debacle? I didn't follow that tournament

Rain helped India in the final, match was reduced from 50 overs to 20 overs, and England suffered from yet another mental disintegration. As some would say on this forum, India fluked it to victory.

 

[Technics 1210]

Which also means both these teams are equally balanced. Unlike pak vs ind :/

I'm not sure how you can say 3 vs 5 is equally balanced, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[Usman Chadda]

2003 WC Debacle - put an end to lots of careers - Rashid, Wasim, Waqar, Azhar(he was not part of the team regularly since then) and went for young cricketers to build the team

2007 WC Debacle - I don't think anything came out of it as cricket was secondary and rightly so as Bob Woolmer died unfortunately

2013 CT - Is that a debacle? I didn't follow that tournament

How did all those changes result in a better cricket team?

 

[Surya Kiran]

How did all those changes result in a better cricket team?

Didn't it allow future players like Umar Gul, Mphammad Sami to get into the side. However, their progress may not be what Pakistan supporters expected

 

[TalhaSyed]

Why pakistan did not play like india did for NRR when they knew they were losing....
Just beacuse you learn importance of NRR in this wc doesnt mean it wasnt important...
Its used in all the competitions let it be...WC,IPL,PSL,BBL..

Your team isnt some galli mohalla team but a professional international team with good cricketing cultural background and experience.

In champ trophy ind beat pak first,if there was case where only one of either will qualify,your biased logic would have had pak disqualified who later went on to win the trophy...


Most importantly,anything can happen in SF and final many times teams who lost in group stages comesout on top in SF vs whom they alread lost.That itself proves head to head are meaning less to decide how team would fare in KO stage and thus NRR is preffered to give better idea about who played overall better cricket...

Method of qualification was decided before start of wc just because your team is in sillyspot ,you put up your green glasses doesnt mean everyone has.

Teams that are competing from a previously decided methods are only in contention as long as they are in top to move to next stage..


Ifs and buts never end.

If pak qualifies they deserve it if they dont they dont deserve it

You didn't answer the question...

Please tell me "NZ have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak" or "Eng have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak".

 

[TalhaSyed]

You have uprooted his middle stump with a yorker!

Their hatred of Pakistan, hypocrisy, and illogical fallacies, are so easy to expose.

Yea man all these haters still keep posting their rants but none of them are answering the question

 

[dhump]

No one in the right mind would blame anyone else for the situation if Pakistan wanted to qualify they should have won their matches. They also played poor cricket in most games, which is evident by their NRR.

I still think what Pakistan was able to do is quite remarkable for the team they are so kudos to them.

 

[warcry]

the way i see it.

If carlos braithwaite had hit that six we would have qualified for the semis with a win against bangladesh.

if india-nz match had not washed out and nz had lost we could have qualified.

if our game vs sl had not been washed out we could have beaten sri lanka. and none of this would have happened.

if head to head was the primary means of separating a tie rather than nrr, havng beaten new zealand we would have qualified on equal points and this conversation would not have taken place.

minor things that were not in our control was also part of the reason pakistan is in this situation.

 

[DeadlyYorker]

You didn't answer the question...

Please tell me "NZ have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak" or "Eng have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak".

Playing blind are we? I mentioned that whole question is a hoax since eho beat who doesnt matter when you decide SF contenders

Eng didnt see that india was #1 team yesterday when they thrashed us...just like wivpak and nzvpak and nzvwi and engvsl and engvind and indvpak..

All teams are in contention since most have won vs someone who have won vs someone they lost...(except for afg who we can take avg out since they lost all and had no washout)

And thats why a team wether should or not go into semis is decided by better method AKA NRR that takes in account overall how team fared vs everybody

Thats answer to your question..why eng and nz should qualify...XYZ has nothigb to do with anything

If pak deserve to qualify they will.

 

[zn426]

I'm kind of irritated at people banging at Pakistan somehow not being deserving of a semifinal spot. England lost to the likes of Sri Lanka. They lost to a lesser Pakistan team than the one so many are disparaging now! They also lost to Australia. Certainly, it's no one's fault but the PCT's for losing to the West Indies. But it's outrageous to say a team that lost TO Pakistan is somehow 100% deserving of a semifinal spot and Pakistan isn't. Pretty much every team in the top six are reasonable contenders for the semifinals and have the ability to give a good showing. Cut out the double standard!

 

[DeadlyYorker]

I'm kind of irritated at people banging at Pakistan somehow not being deserving of a semifinal spot. England lost to the likes of Sri Lanka. They lost to a lesser Pakistan team than the one so many are disparaging now! They also lost to Australia. Certainly, it's no one's fault but the PCT's for losing to the West Indies. But it's outrageous to say a team that lost TO Pakistan is somehow 100% deserving of a semifinal spot and Pakistan isn't. Pretty much every team in the top six are reasonable contenders for the semifinals and have the ability to give a good showing. Cut out the double standard!

Dude they won vs india which you guys lost ,why are you playing blind,noone says pak is undeserving they are right now not in contention with these 2 teams coz they have better chance than pak...if eng lose vs nz and pak win vs bangla surely they will deserve to qualify ....

They are at #5 right now so they dont deserve at moment thats the truth

Why so biased?
Btw as long as eng vs nz match is not done all teams from 4to 7 are in contention

 

[TalhaSyed]

Playing blind are we? I mentioned that whole question is a hoax since eho beat who doesnt matter when you decide SF contenders

Eng didnt see that india was #1 team yesterday when they thrashed us...just like wivpak and nzvpak and nzvwi and engvsl and engvind and indvpak..

All teams are in contention since most have won vs someone who have won vs someone they lost...(except for afg who we can take avg out since they lost all and had no washout)

And thats why a team wether should or not go into semis is decided by better method AKA NRR that takes in account overall how team fared vs everybody

Thats answer to your question..why eng and nz should qualify...XYZ has nothigb to do with anything

If pak deserve to qualify they will.

Yup I agree that whoever deserves to qualify will qualify.

I said that in a post two weeks ago.

That doesn't change the fact that it will be unfortunate for Pakistan to miss out on a SF spot to two teams who weren't good enough to beat us in the World Cup....

 

[Hasan123]

Whoever gets through deserves it. There's no such thing as if Pakistan qualify they don't deserve it or same with NZ and England. The best 4 teams will qualify.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Didn't it allow future players like Umar Gul, Mphammad Sami to get into the side. However, their progress may not be what Pakistan supporters expected

Sami made his debut before the 2003WC.

Gul was knocking on the door and would definitely have replaced over-the-hill bowlers like Wasim or Waqar eventually.

There were no major changes that resulted in a better cricket team. Infact, the absence of experienced players led to the downfall of our team in the coming years.

 

[Surya Kiran]

Sami made his debut before the 2003WC.

Gul was knocking on the door and would definitely have replaced over-the-hill bowlers like Wasim or Waqar eventually.

There were no major changes that resulted in a better cricket team. Infact, the absence of experienced players led to the downfall of our team in the coming years.

Agree that having experience in the team helps. Yes Sami made his debut before 2003 WC but could only cement his place after the stalwarts left. Insecurity of not being a regular member of the side hampers development of an upcoming player.

Correct me if i am wrong, I sense that seniors in the Pakistan cricket set up are never enthusiastic to take a break/rest from the international cricket where next batch of cricketers could get a taste of International cricket. Even when they were touring Zimbawbe or they don't want to miss out because they play less international matches compared to other teams?

 

[barah_admi]

I am still waiting on [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] on providing examples of the blame on India? Or any of the others commenting on here

 

[xbronze]

Yup I agree that whoever deserves to qualify will qualify.

I said that in a post two weeks ago.

That doesn't change the fact that it will be unfortunate for Pakistan to miss out on a SF spot to two teams who weren't good enough to beat us in the World Cup....

By that logic, would you also say that it was unfortunate that Pakistan got to the 1992 World Cup Finals whereas teams that it wasn't good enough to beat in that World Cup did not make it to the SF/finals?

 

[NA]

By that logic, would you also say that it was unfortunate that Pakistan got to the 1992 World Cup Finals whereas teams that it wasn't good enough to beat in that World Cup did not make it to the SF/finals?

In this case there's a chance Pakistan will lose the last semi-final spot on NRR, while beating both that particular team and another semifinalist in group stages.

But let's take 92. Aus lost to all the semi-finalists. WI lost to all but Pak. SL and Zim lost to all as well. I don't remember what Ind did against Eng, so they beat either one or two semifinalists but were way down on points.

The situation in this World Cup is a little more unfortunate for Pakistan, who may miss out by a whisker.

We are though getting ahead of ourselves. BDesh may very well beat Pak and remove NRR as a factor. The Pak momentum has me believing in a better outcome.

 

[Technics 1210]

Dude they won vs india which you guys lost ,why are you playing blind,noone says pak is undeserving they are right now not in contention with these 2 teams coz they have better chance than pak...if eng lose vs nz and pak win vs bangla surely they will deserve to qualify ....

They are at #5 right now so they dont deserve at moment thats the truth

Why so biased?
Btw as long as eng vs nz match is not done all teams from 4to 7 are in contention

Folks, what he is saying the next WC should only be played by the top 3 ranked teams, and he's the one questioning the bias. But wait, 4 to 7 are in contention but #5 - Pakistan - don't deserve the SF spot.

You couldn't make this up.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Agree that having experience in the team helps. Yes Sami made his debut before 2003 WC but could only cement his place after the stalwarts left. Insecurity of not being a regular member of the side hampers development of an upcoming player.

Correct me if i am wrong, I sense that seniors in the Pakistan cricket set up are never enthusiastic to take a break/rest from the international cricket where next batch of cricketers could get a taste of International cricket. Even when they were touring Zimbawbe or they don't want to miss out because they play less international matches compared to other teams?

When the senior player in question is Shoaib Malik, would you really blame him?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Shouldn't have lost to Australia. Our strategy and team selection was pretty poor that day and even after seeing off Starc's new ball spell, gave our wickets away to Richardson, Maxwell and Coulter Nile. Cummins bowled extremely well that day, yes. But that was the game we lost due to our ineptness.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Malik inclusion against Australia and India was blunder. Australia match was sure win for. We need to change this bhai culture in our team otgerwise this will not be the last tournament in which we would fail

 

[Surya Kiran]

When the senior player in question is Shoaib Malik, would you really blame him?

No, Malik's career is nearing end

 

[DeadlyYorker]

Folks, what he is saying the next WC should only be played by the top 3 ranked teams, and he's the one questioning the bias. But wait, 4 to 7 are in contention but #5 - Pakistan - don't deserve the SF spot.

You couldn't make this up.

Read what i wrote, if you cant read what right now means you are o ly fooling your self

 

[Technics 1210]

Read what i wrote, if you cant read what right now means you are o ly fooling your self

It's called paraphrasing if the penny hasn't dropped yet.

Carry on hating and exposing yourself.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Uff...

You must have been red in the face ready to pop whilst waiting for a chance to post this. India gave you that chance by throwing away the game vs England and you wasted little time to get all this out there.

I feel sorry for such pessimistic sad souls who desperately seek negativity in everything.

My personal favorite part of your post was:



Basically admitting that your post is fake expert analysis

Anyway - lets look at the 3 teams in question performance shall we:

Pakistan

- Got hammered by WI & Ind
- Convincingly beat SA
- Beat NZ & Eng
- Scraped victory against Afg
- Lost a game they should have won vs Aus
- Were unlucky for the game to be rained off vs SL

New Zealand

- Convincingly beat SL & Afg
- Beat Bang
- Got lucky by rain vs Ind
- Scraped victory vs SA & WI
- Got hammered by Aus
- Lost to Pakistan

England

- Hammered SA, Bang, WI & Afg
- Beat India
- Lost to Aus, SL & Pak

From the above - how can you say that NZ or Eng should qualify for the SF but Pak shouldn't?

Please tell me "NZ have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak" or "Eng have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak".

I'll start -

Pakistan beat England & New Zealand thats why they should go to the SF rather than Eng of NZ. If 2 teams whom Pakistan beat in the group stage qualify ahead of them that would be unfortunate for Pakistan.

Your turn.

I like how you put that we lost a game we should have won against Aus. Won from where? We were 160/6 and the game was done and dusted there. We got pretty much hammered that game too. All they needed to do was give Starc the ball and Wahab and Hassan would have been back inside two overs.

NZ actually has more of a claim putting out that statement, as they had Aus on 90/5 and let them get away.

Let's look at the X beating Y and Y beating Z thing now. Pak beat Eng so they should go through but Eng beat India so they should go through as well. Let's say India lose to SL so they beat both India and England, they should go through too. And the whole thing falls apart.

Then there is Pak vs SL, it is funny how everyone is assuming that we would have won that one with hands tied behind our backs. It could have gone either way, considering how we have played so far. Under the ridiculous logic laid out above, seeing as how we got hammered by WI and SL beat them, SL should be the one gutted that the game was rained off.

Pakistan got hammered by WI inside 15 overs, a feat no other team has accomplished this WC, got schooled by India and then beat Afghanistan barely after one of worst displays of captaincy the world has
ever seen, and they still required two umpiring blunders on top of that.

All of this before the BD game, which is not going to be easy. Going by the way both have played this tournament, they should start as favorites. And let's not forget they did lose a game to rain vs SL too and actually chased down 300+ against WI.

 

[TalhaSyed]

By that logic, would you also say that it was unfortunate that Pakistan got to the 1992 World Cup Finals whereas teams that it wasn't good enough to beat in that World Cup did not make it to the SF/finals?

It was fortunate for Pakistan to make that final and unfortunate for the teams that beat Pakistan.

I really don't get what's so hard to understand....

 

[TalhaSyed]

I like how you put that we lost a game we should have won against Aus. Won from where? We were 160/6 and the game was done and dusted there. We got pretty much hammered that game too. All they needed to do was give Starc the ball and Wahab and Hassan would have been back inside two overs.

NZ actually has more of a claim putting out that statement, as they had Aus on 90/5 and let them get away.

Did you read the post I quoted which said:

We lost a winning game chasing well against Australia

It's as if PakPassion's Wrist Slitting Society (WSS) isn't even reading posts before replying to them any more....

Let's look at the X beating Y and Y beating Z thing now. Pak beat Eng so they should go through but Eng beat India so they should go through as well. Let's say India lose to SL so they beat both India and England, they should go through too. And the whole thing falls apart.

If any team you have beaten qualifies ahead of you - particularly if you have the same number of points as them - it will be unfortunate for you.

Not sure why the WSS is finding this so hard to understand

Then there is Pak vs SL, it is funny how everyone is assuming that we would have won that one with hands tied behind our backs. It could have gone either way, considering how we have played so far. Under the ridiculous logic laid out above, seeing as how we got hammered by WI and SL beat them, SL should be the one gutted that the game was rained off.

Pakistan got hammered by WI inside 15 overs, a feat no other team has accomplished this WC, got schooled by India and then beat Afghanistan barely after one of worst displays of captaincy the world has
ever seen, and they still required two umpiring blunders on top of that.

All of this before the BD game, which is not going to be easy. Going by the way both have played this tournament, they should start as favorites. And let's not forget they did lose a game to rain vs SL too and actually chased down 300+ against WI.

So in your cricketing experience - you are seiously going to go as far as saying SL were favourites against Pakistan in the game that got rained off?

I know you have a bias agenda to prove but please don't go that far and make such a fool of yourself.

Of course its obvious - if the game went ahead SL could have won....,.but that doesn't change the fact that Pakistan were favorites for that game.

Fundamentally I have also not said that Pakistan beat England and England beat India so we are better than India. Don't twist my words. The logic is very straight forward - we beat a team and possibly will end up on the same number of points as that team - yet some naive posters on here still think the team we beat deserve to go through more than we do......

ridiculous.

I love how much the WSS is relying on the "Pakistan got hammered by WI" logic to justify why Pakistan shouldn't qualify for the SF or that fact that "Pakistan scraped a victory against Afg" to try and justify their point. Next time lets have all the teams play WI and Afg and decide the SF pots based on the largest victory margins shall we?

Yes the Bangladesh game wont be easy and we may lose that.....

....that does not change the fact that if Pak ends up on the same number of points as NZ, or cant end up on the same number of points as Eng due to rain - it will be unfortunate for Pakistan if the NZ & Eng qualify for the SF given the fact that Pak beat them in the group stages.

 

[Snatch]

In spite of what I have said over the last few weeks, I genuinely feel sorry for Pakistani fans. They deserve better for all the emotional investment and passion that they have for the game.

I am happy to apologize to anyone who has been hurt by my statements, but the reality is that we do not deserve to qualify for the semifinals based on how we have played in the World Cup and how we have played in the last two years.

After winning the Champions in bizarre circumstances, we thought we were invincible and did nothing to improve. We paid no heed to the 5-0 whitewash in New Zealand that exposed our frailties. We were happy to bash minnows before the disastrous Asia Cup opened our eyes, but then it was too late.

We should have invested in a proper spinner instead of a mediocre showboat like Shadab who is only good for theatrics in the field. We wasted two years forcefully trying to convert him and Faheem into all-rounders.

We should have also taken note of Sarfaraz shying away from responsibility as an individual player but we paid no heed.

Hafeez and Malik are easy targets, but as the PSL shows us every year, the batting resources are quite shallow, but we do have spinners in our system who are comfortably better than Shadab.

Furthermore, we had the best possible preparation for the World Cup. 5 ODIs vs England in England - it doesn’t get better than that, but we still managed to get humiliated against West Indies in the opening game which completely ruined our NRR.

We also choked vs Australia when we were in control, and we made a meal of a relatively straightforward chase against Afghanistan.

You cannot waddle into a World Cup as a 6th ranked team with a 13 match losing streak, hoping that everything will fall in place and you will start to magically perform.

You have to respect the game and continuously strive to improve. We didn’t, and this is the outcome.

Post of the year.

Honest, humble, accurate & genuine.

Hard to see anyone successfully arguing against this. (but I'm sure will try).

 

[Usman Chadda]

Post of the year.

Honest, humble, accurate & genuine.

Hard to see anyone successfully arguing against this. (but I'm sure will try).

Will be fun to see some of the reactions here if Pakistan make it through to the semi-finals.

Hilarious actually. Most of you probably won't even be around

 

[Snatch]

Great post, I said the same in couple other posts and I am being criticised of being a fake fan.

I'm going to make it simple.

If you are in top 4 you deserve to be there because you have performed and did your nation proud and your players have done justice to wearing those colours.

If you are in top 4 because you pray for miracles or want handouts and freebies at the hands of other teams then you don't deserve to be in the top 4 or win the world cup.

Its simple.

Other teams didnt look to be in do or die situations, they won their games they earnt their points and they earnt their positive run rate to be in the top 4 or contenders for it.
[MENTION=2068]syed[/MENTION]_1 stay away from my post because you don't like reading fake expert analysis so stay in your miracle working bubble.

If Pakistan were serious about winning the world cup they would not have been out for 105 against a team we are prone to beating...
We could have and should have beaten England by a bigger margin especially after the total we posted but we didnt.
The washout didnt help but other teams have also had wash out or no result games...
We lost a winning game chasing well against Australia, that was our game to win but we did what we do best and lose from winning positions.
We got SCHOOLED by india, a shameful and embarassing loss that was.
We beat a team that is depleted and weak this world cup that being South Africa.
We scraped by against New Zealand when our best players of spin decided to take the game to the wire. Again didn't help the NRR

Then the opportunity came to completely demolish Afghans and chase that small total of 228 before the 40th over but OUR BEST PLAYERS OF SPIN and our Senior magician of playing spin Hafeez crumbled...

We took that to the last 2 balls where most teams would have cruised this with a 7 wicket and 12 overs win.

Then we celebrate like we've won the damn world cup.

Hit the streets, honk the cars, block the roads because we beat Afghanistan?

Our semi-final spot is not secure the world cup is not secure but we are celebrating because beating Afghans was a big milestone.

We drop catch after catch
we leak runs after runs
We do not take the attack to the opposition.
We do not attack the batsman
We do not play good field placements.
The ball is in the air we do not dive for it or run after it to catch.

We do not show intent, attack in our cricket or play positive or instill fear or improve on any weaknesses.

So why should this team deserve to be handed or gifted a semi final spot ahead of more deserving ones!

This England team today smashed Afghan spinners to everywhere and posted 397 runs we barely just scraped by on 228 run chase.

This England team took the attack to Indian spinners and scored 338 which is a winnable target these days and defended it by taking their opportunities, stopping singles, stopping the boundaries and catching!!

Our players smile when they drop a catch.
Our players fluff a run out.
Our players refuse to dive or get their clothes dirty.

In a game which is monumental and of importance. You do what it takes to win and if you know you need to improve your NRR you do that.

Don't blame pitch
Don't blame conditions
Don't blame lame excuses.

You are an international player representing your country, if you are worthy of being in the team then you adapt and you play on any pitch at any time in any condition.

Its as Simple as that!

Another excellent post.

 

[Snatch]

Will be fun to see some of the reactions here if Pakistan make it through to the semi-finals.

Hilarious actually. Most of you probably won't even be around

Not really, since it's out of Pakistan's hands.

If NZ happens to beat England, that doesn't mean Pakistan played any better than if England win and Pakistan went home.

All it might mean is immature posters like you might use a few more of those childish laughing smilies, as if that somehow enhances your arguments, and nothing more.

 

[Mamoon]

Post of the year.

Honest, humble, accurate & genuine.

Hard to see anyone successfully arguing against this. (but I'm sure will try).

The "cornered tigers" mentality has ruined Pakistan cricket. We don't strive for consistency and don't believe in rankings because we are happy to call ourselves an unpredictable team, as if it is something to be proud of. Post World Cup, PCB should aim to achieve a top 3 ranking in ODIs by 2023, which will be a challenge but it is certainly doable with proper planning and strategy.

We need to focus on consistency and strive to become a top 3 side, because that will slowly but surely change the mentality of Pakistan cricket which is rotten to the core. However, nothing is going to happen and we will limp into the 2023 World Cup as a 6th or 7th ranked team talking about 1992.

 

[LordJames]

In spite of what I have said over the last few weeks, I genuinely feel sorry for Pakistani fans. They deserve better for all the emotional investment and passion that they have for the game.

I am happy to apologize to anyone who has been hurt by my statements, but the reality is that we do not deserve to qualify for the semifinals based on how we have played in the World Cup and how we have played in the last two years.

After winning the Champions in bizarre circumstances, we thought we were invincible and did nothing to improve. We paid no heed to the 5-0 whitewash in New Zealand that exposed our frailties. We were happy to bash minnows before the disastrous Asia Cup opened our eyes, but then it was too late.

We should have invested in a proper spinner instead of a mediocre showboat like Shadab who is only good for theatrics in the field. We wasted two years forcefully trying to convert him and Faheem into all-rounders.

We should have also taken note of Sarfaraz shying away from responsibility as an individual player but we paid no heed.

Hafeez and Malik are easy targets, but as the PSL shows us every year, the batting resources are quite shallow, but we do have spinners in our system who are comfortably better than Shadab.

Furthermore, we had the best possible preparation for the World Cup. 5 ODIs vs England in England - it doesn’t get better than that, but we still managed to get humiliated against West Indies in the opening game which completely ruined our NRR.

We also choked vs Australia when we were in control, and we made a meal of a relatively straightforward chase against Afghanistan.

You cannot waddle into a World Cup as a 6th ranked team with a 13 match losing streak, hoping that everything will fall in place and you will start to magically perform.

You have to respect the game and continuously strive to improve. We didn’t, and this is the outcome.

I disagree with certain aspects of your post.

There is no doubt that structural changes and strategic reforms are needed for the long term betterment of Pakistan Cricket and it is long overdue.

Nevertheless, the World cup is an ODI tournament and it based on performances on a single day and not based on rankings or performances over a period of time. Shadab Khan is not stellar but he is steady and average (to better). Apart from Shadab Khan, Haris, Imad and Hafeez are there to assist in the spin department. The bowling attack is clicking and coming together with the pace attack not being bad. Their lengths need tinkering a bit but they are not shambolic.

Pakistan batting is not bad but it needs a reshuffling and slight tinkering with the batting order. We cannot make wholesale changes but we can certainly tinker with it.

On the day with the right tactics, this team isn’t world beater but it isn’t pathetic either.

Cricket is a team game but on the day, it can just take a marvellous performance from an individual (or a few individuals) to tilt the balance. i.e. Fakhar Zaman at Champions trophy or something like that.

Overall, this team is probably not the best 15 in Pakistan but it has potential and it is not a total wrist slitter squad either.

It’s a World cup and it does not matter what happened in the past 13 or even 3 games, deserving has nothing to do with it.

 

[Mamoon]

I disagree with certain aspects of your post.

There is no doubt that structural changes and strategic reforms are needed for the long term betterment of Pakistan Cricket and it is long overdue.

Nevertheless, the World cup is an ODI tournament and it based on performances on a single day and not based on rankings or performances over a period of time. Shadab Khan is not stellar but he is steady and average (to better). Apart from Shadab Khan, Haris, Imad and Hafeez are there to assist in the spin department. The bowling attack is clicking and coming together with the pace attack not being bad. Their lengths need tinkering a bit but they are not shambolic.

Pakistan batting is not bad but it needs a reshuffling and slight tinkering with the batting order. We cannot make wholesale changes but we can certainly tinker with it.

On the day with the right tactics, this team isn’t world beater but it isn’t pathetic either.

Cricket is a team game but on the day, it can just take a marvellous performance from an individual (or a few individuals) to tilt the balance. i.e. Fakhar Zaman at Champions trophy or something like that.

Overall, this team is probably not the best 15 in Pakistan but it has potential and it is not a total wrist slitter squad either.

It’s a World cup and it does not matter what happened in the past 13 or even 3 games, deserving has nothing to do with it.

Yes the World Cup is based on performances on a single day, but the chances of consistent, quality sides coming good on a single day are also higher. From 2010-2015, India and Australia were the two most consistent sides and spend most of the time in the top 2 of the rankings, and it wasn't a coincidence that they won the 2011 and 2015 World Cups.

When you play circus cricket all year along, the chances of you raising your game on a given day are also much lower, and that is why Pakistan will be on the flight home on Saturday. Our fans can lament the Sri Lanka match and other factors as much as they want, but Pakistan are not qualifying for the semi-finals because of the pathetic performance against West Indies, which represented everything that is wrong with Pakistan cricket, and if we don't mend our ways, same will happen in 2023 and 2027.

Pakistan is an average team because we lose majority of our matches to India, Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand. That is unacceptable when you consider the potential of Pakistan. I am not referring to the usual "we have more talent than anyone" nonsense, but we have the second biggest talent pool and market for the sport after India, and there is tremendous room for growth, which we will only achieve if we address our rotten mentality.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Not really, since it's out of Pakistan's hands.

If NZ happens to beat England, that doesn't mean Pakistan played any better than if England win and Pakistan went home.

All it might mean is immature posters like you might use a few more of those childish laughing smilies, as if that somehow enhances your arguments, and nothing more.

Yes, acting all tough and trying to put Pakistan fans in their place for whatever performance their team has put up so far, is the height of maturity.

There will be a lot of fun to be had, if NZ does beat England. Embarrassed posters like you will be running through hoops trying to justify England's exit.

Get a life you sad keyboard warrior

 

[TalhaSyed]

Will be fun to see some of the reactions here if Pakistan make it through to the semi-finals.

Hilarious actually. Most of you probably won't even be around

The WSS will dissapear waiting for something else negative to happen before they crawl back from under their rocks to post

 

[Madplayer]

Ok, so show me?

I have seen posts about how bad India played across social media, which is entirely justified but nothing regarding India is to blame for Pakistan's world cup situation.

Do you want me to quote comments on youtube videos and tweets from twitter?

Allegations of match fixing
https://twitter.com/kooh_e_noor/status/1145445989177810944?s=19

"Because they are bloody nonsense.. Afraid of Pakistan to not face them in final!! and jealousy is a thing"
https://twitter.com/Loafer_Type/status/1145578491095785473?s=19

I told you guys this match was fixed. #TeamIndia knows it well that Green Shirts are in great form. India lost it deliberately - they don't want to see Team Pakistan in the semi-finals. Shame on you India!
#INDvsENG #indiavsEngland
https://twitter.com/mairatariq/status/1145394961640251398?s=19

There have been many such statements from prominent public figures like Mubashir luqman, Waqar younis and others as well. I cant quote all of them.

 

[LordJames]

Yes the World Cup is based on performances on a single day, but the chances of consistent, quality sides coming good on a single day are also higher. From 2010-2015, India and Australia were the two most consistent sides and spend most of the time in the top 2 of the rankings, and it wasn't a coincidence that they won the 2011 and 2015 World Cups.

When you play circus cricket all year along, the chances of you raising your game on a given day are also much lower, and that is why Pakistan will be on the flight home on Saturday. Our fans can lament the Sri Lanka match and other factors as much as they want, but Pakistan are not qualifying for the semi-finals because of the pathetic performance against West Indies, which represented everything that is wrong with Pakistan cricket, and if we don't mend our ways, same will happen in 2023 and 2027.

Pakistan is an average team because we lose majority of our matches to India, Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand. That is unacceptable when you consider the potential of Pakistan. I am not referring to the usual "we have more talent than anyone" nonsense, but we have the second biggest talent pool and market for the sport after India, and there is tremendous room for growth, which we will only achieve if we address our rotten mentality.

Your post is contradictory and you have not fully read what I wrote. I started out with emphasizing the need for structural changes and strategic planning but it is right here, right now which needs to be addressed.

After the "pathetic performance" against West Indies the same side beat England which according to you has been a model of consistency and in red hot form (which they are) which is my point that it is performance on the day which counts. Pakistan is inconsistent, sometimes it comes together and sometimes the wheels come of and yes the issue needs to be addressed.


We are where we are and its the performance on the day which matters for a team to advance or for another team to have a bad day, it is Sports and not a moral discussion, deserving or undeserving have nothing to do with teams advancing.

Rest of your response is your own stuff and not what I wrote or addressed.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Ideas for future World Cups:

Option 1

Have all the teams play WI and the winner of the World Cup will be the team who can beat WI by the biggest margin

Option 2

Have all teams play Afg anf the winner of the World Cup will be the team who can beat Afg by the biggest margin

Option 3

See which team has had the best W/L ratio in the 2 years prior to the WC and award the trophy to the team with the best W/L ratio

Option 4

Have all 10 teams play each other and award the trophy to the team with the best NRR

#WSSLogic

 

[kant]

Uff...

You must have been red in the face ready to pop whilst waiting for a chance to post this. India gave you that chance by throwing away the game vs England and you wasted little time to get all this out there.

I feel sorry for such pessimistic sad souls who desperately seek negativity in everything.

My personal favorite part of your post was:



Basically admitting that your post is fake expert analysis

Anyway - lets look at the 3 teams in question performance shall we:

Pakistan

- Got hammered by WI & Ind
- Convincingly beat SA
- Beat NZ & Eng
- Scraped victory against Afg
- Lost a game they should have won vs Aus
- Were unlucky for the game to be rained off vs SL

New Zealand

- Convincingly beat SL & Afg
- Beat Bang
- Got lucky by rain vs Ind
- Scraped victory vs SA & WI
- Got hammered by Aus
- Lost to Pakistan

England

- Hammered SA, Bang, WI & Afg
- Beat India
- Lost to Aus, SL & Pak

From the above - how can you say that NZ or Eng should qualify for the SF but Pak shouldn't?

Please tell me "NZ have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak" or "Eng have done X, Y & Z thats why they should go to the SF rather than Pak".

I'll start -

Pakistan beat England & New Zealand thats why they should go to the SF rather than Eng of NZ. If 2 teams whom Pakistan beat in the group stage qualify ahead of them that would be unfortunate for Pakistan.

Your turn.

The answer is simple. Pakistan got demolished by WI and that affected their NRR so even though they beat strong teams, at the end of the day the teams with more points/NRR will go through because they EARNED them no matter who scrappily they were earned.

 

[Mamoon]

Your post is contradictory and you have not fully read what I wrote. I started out with emphasizing the need for structural changes and strategic planning but it is right here, right now which needs to be addressed.

After the "pathetic performance" against West Indies the same side beat England which according to you has been a model of consistency and in red hot form (which they are) which is my point that it is performance on the day which counts. Pakistan is inconsistent, sometimes it comes together and sometimes the wheels come of and yes the issue needs to be addressed.


We are where we are and its the performance on the day which matters for a team to advance or for another team to have a bad day, it is Sports and not a moral discussion, deserving or undeserving have nothing to do with teams advancing.

Rest of your response is your own stuff and not what I wrote or addressed.

If you agree that we need to address our unpredictability (inconsistency ) instead of taking pride in it, then we have no disagreements. Yes we did beat England after getting humiliating against West Indies, but we also got exposed against Afghanistan and only won because of their awful fielding and umpiring errors. This team is a circus and it will frequently fail to perform on the day if it continues with its mediocre ways.

To put it in simpler words, Pakistan's chances of winning World Cups would significantly increase if it develops the capability of achieving higher rankings more often than not.

 

[sshakir411]

If you agree that we need to address our unpredictability (inconsistency ) instead of taking pride in it, then we have no disagreements. Yes we did beat England after getting humiliating against West Indies, but we also got exposed against Afghanistan and only won because of their awful fielding and umpiring errors. This team is a circus and it will frequently fail to perform on the day if it continues with its mediocre ways.

To put it in simpler words, Pakistan's chances of winning World Cups would significantly increase if it develops the capability of achieving higher rankings more often than not.

My conclusion is that Pakistanis by genetics are inconsistent. There’s no way to explain how a team performs like world beaters one day and then fails to replicate that performance for the next 5 games. Heck, our experienced players (Malik, Hafeez, etc) after playing for decades can’t be consistent. It’s either genetics or severe anxiety that causes them to become deer in headlights.

 

[LordJames]

If you agree that we need to address our unpredictability (inconsistency ) instead of taking pride in it, then we have no disagreements. Yes we did beat England after getting humiliating against West Indies, but we also got exposed against Afghanistan and only won because of their awful fielding and umpiring errors. This team is a circus and it will frequently fail to perform on the day if it continues with its mediocre ways.

To put it in simpler words, Pakistan's chances of winning World Cups would significantly increase if it develops the capability of achieving higher rankings more often than not.

I am afraid that you are projecting your thoughts instead of actually reading what I have repeatedly stated.

I am not being proud of being inconsistent, it’s a ridiculous idea and I never said it.

I have said twice that “structural changes and strategic reforms are needed for the long term betterment of Pakistan Cricket and it is long overdue.”

What I am saying is that advancement to the Semis is based on good performance on a single day (by an inconsistent team) coupled by a bad performance on another day (by a consistent team) or some combination thereof. It has nothing to do with deserving or undeserving, there is no arbitration panel sitting and issuing moral judgements on who should advance and who shouldn’t.

Nobody is being proud of performing badly or being inconsistent but it is what it is.

It could rain on a particularly day and throw a good team out of the tournament or equally rain could cause a bad team to advance, it isn’t a moral imperative, it is based on what happens on a particular day.
Shadab Khan is not setting the world on fire but he is not useless either, together with Imad, Hafeez and Haris the spin department is competent if not extraordinary. The pace battery (if they get the length right) can trouble other teams. The batting is average but can get better with adjustment in the batting order.
In hindsight, a few of the players would not be in the squad but we are where we are.

I am taking issue (with respect) with your morality clause of “don’t deserve to advance” line of think. It isn’t a deserving vs non-deserving discussion, it’s how they perform on the day and the outcome of other teams (on their day). It’s a game and not a day in the Church to be judged upon the Gospel.

It is not a totally useless squad and can still get better with tactical adjustments and a game plan. For example, depending on the playing 11 selected, depending on the lengths bowled and depending on the batting order, they can beat any side (including India) on a given day. By the same token, wheels can come off too (and spectacularly).

They are inconsistent but not absolutely pathetic in my view.

A good day can see them advance.

A bad day will see them thrown out.

Either way, long term changes are needed and consistency needs to be developed.

 

[TalhaSyed]

The answer is simple. Pakistan got demolished by WI and that affected their NRR so even though they beat strong teams, at the end of the day the teams with more points/NRR will go through because they EARNED them no matter who scrappily they were earned.

If they go through - they deserve to go through. I've never argued with that.

However - how can anyone say that NZ and Eng deserve to go through but Pakistan don't?

If Pakistan and England make it through for example - how can the wrist slitters turn around and say "Pakistan shouldn't have gone through - NZ deserved it more"?

 

[MRSN]

This thread clearly shows why mediocrity rules Pakistan cricket. Finishing 5th in a world cup is consider massive achievement. Never thought I will see such mentality from Pak fans but seems like our fans are gradually accepting official minnow status. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was right. Pakistan is slowly joining minnow club where beating top teams now is consider an upset. Well done guys. So proud of you. Malik, Hafeez and Sarfraz will go back with no regret or shame.

 

[MRSN]

My conclusion is that Pakistanis by genetics are inconsistent. There’s no way to explain how a team performs like world beaters one day and then fails to replicate that performance for the next 5 games. Heck, our experienced players (Malik, Hafeez, etc) after playing for decades can’t be consistent. It’s either genetics or severe anxiety that causes them to become deer in headlights.

If going by genetics Indian should not be producing good fast bowlers. Lack of Hard work and professional approach is the reason why our team is behind. Carrying players who still struggle to catch after playing years of cricket and still can't have fitness required at this level have nothing to do with genetics. It's because we worship mediocrity and our system produces mediocre cricketers.

 

[The_Odd_One]

This thread clearly shows why mediocrity rules Pakistan cricket. Finishing 5th in a world cup is consider massive achievement. Never thought I will see such mentality from Pak fans but seems like our fans are gradually accepting official minnow status. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was right. Pakistan is slowly joining minnow club where beating top teams now is consider an upset. Well done guys. So proud of you. Malik, Hafeez and Sarfraz will go back with no regret or shame.

The fact that England is in the same boat with Pakistan proves that Pakistan team has punched above its weight.

A massive achievement? No.

Acceptable performance from a team that is ranked #6 in the world and came from a 14 match losing streak? Yes.

 

[pakistani pride]

This thread clearly shows why mediocrity rules Pakistan cricket. Finishing 5th in a world cup is consider massive achievement. Never thought I will see such mentality from Pak fans but seems like our fans are gradually accepting official minnow status. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was right. Pakistan is slowly joining minnow club where beating top teams now is consider an upset. Well done guys. So proud of you. Malik, Hafeez and Sarfraz will go back with no regret or shame.

And you mister are the chairman of the PAK fan club?
For REAL pak fans it will be MASSIVE dissapointment if PAK does not qualify for the semis.

And for the ones talking about keeping things in your own hand. Well the biggest difference was the washout vs SL and for NZ vs Ind.

 

[MRSN]

If they go through - they deserve to go through. I've never argued with that.

However - how can anyone say that NZ and Eng deserve to go through but Pakistan don't?

If Pakistan and England make it through for example - how can the wrist slitters turn around and say "Pakistan shouldn't have gone through - NZ deserved it more"?

Wrist slitters? People who show mirror and accept reality instead of singing fake passion passion tunes are wrist slitters yeah.
Amazing how you conveniently forget this same team could only buy one win in 15 games against Aus,Eng and SA. Reality of this team is that it is not good enough to make semis without having to rely on other teams.

 

[Mamoon]

The fact that England is in the same boat with Pakistan proves that Pakistan team has punched above its weight.

A massive achievement? No.

Acceptable performance from a team that is ranked #6 in the world and came from a 14 match losing streak? Yes.

Actually, Pakistan haven’t punched above their weight. It has produced a par performance. England though have punched way below their weight.

Pakistan is a 6th ranked team and their position in the tournament reflects that. We are not at the bottom, but we are also struggling to break into the top four.

Pakistan would have punched above their weight had they qualified on their own might without begging for favors from other teams.

 

[MRSN]

The fact that England is in the same boat with Pakistan proves that Pakistan team has punched above its weight.

A massive achievement? No.

Acceptable performance from a team that is ranked #6 in the world and came from a 14 match losing streak? Yes.

England still had to beat two quality teams to make semis and they will do it. They are not in the same boat as Pakistan. They smashed Afghanistan and BD like they should have been while Pakistan almost lost to them.

 

[pakistani pride]

Actually, Pakistan haven’t punched above their weight. It has produced a par performance. England though have punched way below their weight.

Pakistan is a 6th ranked team and their position in the tournament reflects that. We are not at the bottom, but we are also struggling to break into the top four.

Pakistan would have punched above their weight had they qualified on their own might without begging for favors from other teams.

LOL ENG can only bat one way and need a FLAT road in order to do that.

Its obvious now they cant perform on supporting pitches. The 59mtr boundary confmired it.

Also tomorrow a fresh pitch awaits them to swing like Tiger Woods.

 

[pakistani pride]

England still had to beat two quality teams to make semis and they will do it. They are not in the same boat as Pakistan. They smashed Afghanistan and BD like they should have been while Pakistan almost lost to them.

But lost to SL.
Stop it man.

 

[MRSN]

LOL ENG can only bat one way and need a FLAT road in order to do that.

Its obvious now they cant perform on supporting pitches. The 59mtr boundary confmired it.

Also tomorrow a fresh pitch awaits them to swing like Tiger Woods.

On a fresh pitch they become even more dangerous as they have one of thr best pace attack which they have finally got it right against India. Archer+Woods+Woakes+Plunkett can't ask for better.

 

[Kianig89]

Bad luck ruined Pakistan chances WI was a bad dream which ruined all our sleep wash out against Sl was another nightmare what if Aus game was a wash out and we had beaten SL thats 3 more points and we'd be on 12 pts already

 

[pakistani pride]

On a fresh pitch they become even more dangerous as they have one of thr best pace attack which they have finally got it right against India. Archer+Woods+Woakes+Plunkett can't ask for better.

We will see.

 

[MRSN]

But lost to SL.
Stop it man.

That was mega collapse. Very poor cricket from them. They could have actually won both SL and Pak game. Against Pak they were chasing 340 and yet they came so close to winning and Moeen Ali messed up their chase. Even in their losses they looked like winning till last over. Pakistan were demolished by WI inside 13 overs and against Ind we were always behind and a mega collapse against Aus and then scratchy chase against Afghanistan.

 

[Mamoon]

LOL ENG can only bat one way and need a FLAT road in order to do that.

Its obvious now they cant perform on supporting pitches. The 59mtr boundary confmired it.

Also tomorrow a fresh pitch awaits them to swing like Tiger Woods.

England can bat one way and Pakistan cannot bat anyway. At least England are ruthless in favorable conditions; Pakistan is mediocre in every condition.

 

[Technics 1210]

Pakistan beat ENG, SA, and NZ - but the haters think we did not punch above our weight, even though we punched above our ODI ranking. Yet England punched above their weight by losing to PAK, SL, and AUS, lower ranked teams to England.

Oh, and when Pakistan win, it's a fluke adn the opponent had a bad day, Bangladesh deserve a SF spot, and Archer is world class after 3 ODI matches. )

 

[MRSN]

Pakistan beat ENG, SA, and NZ - but the haters think we did not punch above our weight, even though we punched above our ODI ranking. Yet England punched above their weight by losing to PAK, SL, and AUS, lower ranked teams to England.

Oh, and when Pakistan win, it's a fluke adn the opponent had a bad day, Bangladesh deserve a SF spot, and Archer is world class after 3 ODI matches. )

Right. There is a reason why Eng-SA and Aus white washed us just before world cup.

 

[Technics 1210]

Right. There is a reason why Eng-SA and Aus white washed us just before world cup.

Run along, past performance is no guarantee of future performance, hence why when winning a WC, the only performance that matters is the one on the day - this is precisely why 4 WCs have been won by outsiders/underdogs.

 

[MRSN]

Run along, past performance is no guarantee of future performance, hence why when winning a WC, the only performance that matters is the one on the day - this is precisely why 4 WCs have been won by outsiders/underdogs.

That's why we are pinning our hopes on a hopeless NZ team for a SF birth.

 

[LordJames]

That was mega collapse. Very poor cricket from them. They could have actually won both SL and Pak game. Against Pak they were chasing 340 and yet they came so close to winning and Moeen Ali messed up their chase. Even in their losses they looked like winning till last over. Pakistan were demolished by WI inside 13 overs and against Ind we were always behind and a mega collapse against Aus and then scratchy chase against Afghanistan.

Nobody is saying that, you are reading something which does not exist. In fact, for the 4th time I am saying this:

“structural changes and strategic reforms are needed for the long term betterment of Pakistan Cricket and it is long overdue.”

Having said, Pakistan has not been total waste of time. Yes they have been inconsistent and they have tactically not played well but there is no such thing as "deserving vs undeserving" in a World cup.

If Pakistan had not lost badly to West Indies (for reasons only fathomable to Pak Think tank), we would not even be having a deserving vs undeserving argument.

Any team on their day can be great.
Any team on their day can be bad.

Pakistan and England are cases in point.

 

[Rifaqat]

And we are done

A Bd victory would have meant that NZ would play out of their skins to ensure that they defeated England tomorrow

But Bd losing means that NZ can take the foot off the gas tomorrow if the going gets tough to make sure that their NRR isnt damaged too much

It is all over for us

 

[Technics 1210]

That's why we are pinning our hopes on a hopeless NZ team for a SF birth.

So now NZ are hopeless? Any other way you can demean Pakistan?

Anyway, would not be the first time Pakistan or any other team, in any tournament has had to rely on other results. This is a tournament, this position occur on a regular basis. Though the last time Pakistan convincingly entered the final without relying on other results was in 1999., Pakistan lost in the final. NZ won all their matches in 2015, and lost in the final. Dependencies or not, it works both ways.

Then again, if the team we beat is having a bad day, then lets expect a bad day for others? Or is this logic only applicable to when Pakistan win?

 

[pakistani pride]

England can bat one way and Pakistan cannot bat anyway. At least England are ruthless in favorable conditions; Pakistan is mediocre in every condition.

PAK won 2 games at the WC CHASING on very tough wickets. So they CAN bat. ENG had this mantra of chasing no matter what but wait after 2 losses they stepped away from their theory.

 

[Mamoon]

PAK won 2 games at the WC CHASING on very tough wickets. So they CAN bat. ENG had this mantra of chasing no matter what but wait after 2 losses they stepped away from their theory.

That wasn’t a “chase” against Afghanistan. It was an embarrassment. Easily the most humiliating victory in this World Cup by any team.

 

[Technics 1210]

The haters claim they are showing Pakistan fans the mirror, this is a complete utter lie; they are showing Pakistan fans the middle finger.

 

[Plumb]

That wasn’t a “chase” against Afghanistan. It was an embarrassment. Easily the most humiliating victory in this World Cup by any team.

Ind winning against Afg by 11 runs what was that?

 

[Madplayer]

That wasn’t a “chase” against Afghanistan. It was an embarrassment. Easily the most humiliating victory in this World Cup by any team.

Humiliating victory? Thats gotta be an oxymoron

 

[mesmerizer85]

If chasing 230 odd in 50 overs is an achievement, I need not say more

 

[barah_admi]

Do you want me to quote comments on youtube videos and tweets from twitter?

Allegations of match fixing
https://twitter.com/kooh_e_noor/status/1145445989177810944?s=19

"Because they are bloody nonsense.. Afraid of Pakistan to not face them in final!! and jealousy is a thing"
https://twitter.com/Loafer_Type/status/1145578491095785473?s=19

I told you guys this match was fixed. #TeamIndia knows it well that Green Shirts are in great form. India lost it deliberately - they don't want to see Team Pakistan in the semi-finals. Shame on you India!
#INDvsENG #indiavsEngland
https://twitter.com/mairatariq/status/1145394961640251398?s=19

There have been many such statements from prominent public figures like Mubashir luqman, Waqar younis and others as well. I cant quote all of them.

You said there were Pakistanis blaming India for the situation Pakistan find themselves in (one must win game away from a semi if England lose). The posts you have quoted and it took you 2 days, are regarding the Eng v India match and how badly India played.

Can you actually quote me a post regarding your thread?

 

[Technics 1210]

If chasing 230 odd in 50 overs is an achievement, I need not say more

England couldn't even chase 230 odd vs Sri Lanka and lost.

What's your point?

 

[mesmerizer85]

England couldn't even chase 230 odd vs Sri Lanka and lost.

What's your point?

Yeah but it was probably once.. Most times with their strong batting they can cross 300, same as WI tried against SL.. Or Bangladesh tried several times.. Very rare of PAK to chase if opposition crosses 300 Imo

 

[Technics 1210]

Humiliating victory? Thats gotta be an oxymoron

Don't worry about it, India couldn't muster more than 230 vs Afghanistan either. England couldn't chase 230 odd vs SL, but no, Pakistan beating Afghanistan is a humiliation.

 

[mesmerizer85]

Best thing is when batsmen with low average and low strike rates will leave PAK team

 

[Technics 1210]

Yeah but it was probably once.. Most times with their strong batting they can cross 300, same as WI tried against SL.. Or Bangladesh tried several times.. Very rare of PAK to chase if opposition crosses 300 Imo

India could not score more than 230 vs Afghanistan in 50 overs.

What's your point?

 

[The_Odd_One]

Actually, Pakistan haven’t punched above their weight. It has produced a par performance. England though have punched way below their weight.

Pakistan is a 6th ranked team and their position in the tournament reflects that. We are not at the bottom, but we are also struggling to break into the top four.

Pakistan would have punched above their weight had they qualified on their own might without begging for favors from other teams.

Why would you call it begging? If New Zealand beats England and Pakistan beats Bangladesh, then Pakistan will go through because they will have 11 points compared to England's 10. Similarly, if England beats New Zealand and/or Pakistan loses to Bangladesh, England will proceed to semis because they will have more points. It is as simple as that.

Pakistan, ranked #6, has defeated the #1 ranked England , #3 ranked New Zealand, and #5 ranked South Africa. A lower ranked team beating 3 higher ranked teams is definitely punching above its weight. Pakistan's par performance would have been beating Afghanistan and SL, and then upsetting one of the top 5 teams. This is what most were expecting from this team when the world cup started.

 

[Technics 1210]

Ind winning against Afg by 11 runs what was that?

No mate, the question should be, India, #1 ODI ranked team, could not score more than 230 vs Afghanistan in 50 overs. What was that?