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Hassan Nawaz , Saim Ayub, Mohammad Haris , Sufiyan - this new look side without players like Babar and Rizwan seems to have a high ceiling.

Also, the conditions in UAE are likely to suit the Pakistani brand of cricket with Pakistan having done exceptionally well in 2021 World T20 and in the 2022 Asia Cup.

BCCI are likely to make regressive decisions like bringing Shubman Gill into a settled T20 side at the expense of Abishek Sharma and play an extra bowling allrounder, Sundar, ahead of a lower order hitter.

A greenstorm looks extremely likely
 
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Hellion said:
Hassan Nawaz , Saim Ayub, Mohammad Haris , Sufyeen - this new look side without duds like Babar and Rizwan seems to have a high ceiling.

Also, the conditions in UAE are likely to suit the Pakistani brand of cricket with Pakistan having done exceptionally well in 2021 World T20 and in the 2022 Asia Cup.

BCCI are likely to make regressive decisions like bringing Shubman Gill into a settled T20 side at the expense of Abishek Sharma and play an extra bowling allrounder, Sundar, ahead of a lower order hitter.

A greenstorm looks extremely likely
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Is Asia cup taking place in connecticut or Mumbai :vk2 .

Last i checked it was taking place in ESPN HQ 🤣
 
Hellion said:
Hassan Nawaz , Saim Ayub, Mohammad Haris , Sufyeen - this new look side without duds like Babar and Rizwan seems to have a high ceiling.

Also, the conditions in UAE are likely to suit the Pakistani brand of cricket with Pakistan having done exceptionally well in 2021 World T20 and in the 2022 Asia Cup.

BCCI are likely to make regressive decisions like bringing Shubman Gill into a settled T20 side at the expense of Abishek Sharma and play an extra bowling allrounder, Sundar, ahead of a lower order hitter.

A greenstorm looks extremely likely
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Sahibzada Farhan

His time is now.
 
We are on par with Bangladesh, and not even in the top 3 Asian sides in T20 cricket.

This thread is satire surely?
 
Usman Chadda said:
We are on par with Bangladesh, and not even in the top 3 Asian sides in T20 cricket.

This thread is satire surely?
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Even if it’s Satire

I believe in these boys.

If we are going down, we all go down in a blaze of hell fire!
 
Usman Chadda said:
We are on par with Bangladesh, and not even in the top 3 Asian sides in T20 cricket.

This thread is satire surely?
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How are we par with bangladesh do you even know how good these new guys are in t20 sufiyan harris farhan hassan nawaz saim ayub these guys can beat anyone they are not your rizbabar type players.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
How are we par with bangladesh do you even know how good these new guys are in t20 sufiyan harris farhan hassan nawaz saim ayub these guys can beat anyone they are not your rizbabar type players.
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Got smashed by Bangladesh recently, and lost a T20 to a weak West Indies side.
 
Rana said:
They didn’t get smashed

They actually smashed the daylights out of Bangladesh in the 3rd T20i
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Regardless, we will find it difficult to win against Sri Lanka and Afghanistan, and probably get destroyed by India.

Let's see, hope for the best
 
Usman Chadda said:
Regardless, we will find it difficult to win against Sri Lanka and Afghanistan, and probably get destroyed by India.

Let's see, hope for the best
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That was the case anyways

We are better equipped this time to deal with the threat. Hesson will get his combos right against the spinners and won’t be feeding right handers to those who turn it away vice versa.
 
If its a batting pitch, we will beat the crap out of pak.if conditions are screwed and against as t20wc 21 pitch , then its adv pak.on a spin wicket, varin and Kuldeep will take care of it . I will like to see shaheen and rauf against this line up.Gambhir will make sure we bat till 8.
 
I wish I had the same optimism as some of my Indian brothers. But as the old saying goes, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

As a Pakistani fan, you can't have any expectations from this team regardless of how they are doing. That way, you can never be disappointed.
 
Usman Chadda said:
We are on par with Bangladesh, and not even in the top 3 Asian sides in T20 cricket.

This thread is satire surely?
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We're not that bad. A team like Bangladesh can only win matches on their doctored home pitches. In the past, they've won series against New Zealand and Australia too on the same pitch. Everywhere else in the world they will likely get smashed by most teams.
 
Lol the OP has trolling intentions, he is feeling so much confident inside but won't side. Why all of a sudden he feels threaten from a team who lost the match against 10th ranking side recently.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Lol the OP has trolling intentions, he is feeling so much confident inside but won't side. Why all of a sudden he feels threaten from a team who lost the match against 10th ranking side recently.
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Yes. I should start serious threads with such quality titles like "Sunday connection" and "visions and trailers" instead :rabada2. Also, PAK are ranked 8th. You should know your facts :inti
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Lol the OP has trolling intentions, he is feeling so much confident inside but won't side. Why all of a sudden he feels threaten from a team who lost the match against 10th ranking side recently.
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The threat is about losing to a weak team during Operation Sindoor?

Not going to happen, but I can understand the thought process.
 
Vikram1989 said:
If its a batting pitch, we will beat the crap out of pak.if conditions are screwed and against as t20wc 21 pitch , then its adv pak.on a spin wicket, varin and Kuldeep will take care of it . I will like to see shaheen and rauf against this line up.Gambhir will make sure we bat till 8.
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Pakistan will have acclimatised to the conditions better since they are playing a tri series right before the Asia Cup
 
Hellion said:
Yes. I should start serious threads with such quality titles like "Sunday connection" and "visions and trailers" instead :rabada2. Also, PAK are ranked 8th. You should know your facts :inti
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Yes Pakistan recently lost a series to BD and a match to Windies...not in top form
 
Hellion said:
Won the series against higher ranked West Indies. BD pitches are not even club level.

Anyway, bro. We need a poll to see who are Asia Cup favourites.
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India will win the asia cup obviously. If I was a proud Indian, I wouldn't get excited about such wins.

But as a proud dual citizen I am extremely happy on Aus beating Eng, India, NZ and SA and Pakistan beating any team tbh as at present any victory is good enough for a minnow team.

Don't celebrate small wins. Focus on

A) Australia
B) SA
C) England
D) NZ

^^ Their the big 🐟 and thats it. Then again you buggers typically they bug all, and resort to indian citizenship renouncifications in order to settle amongst the west.

And what happens when you settle in the West? Some start jobs, some start businesses, others smoke dope and start scam call centers rinse and repeat.
 
Rizwan is cornered . So any gimmicks he comes up with now is only going to take the team backward.
 
Hellion said:
Hassan Nawaz , Saim Ayub, Mohammad Haris , Sufiyan - this new look side without players like Babar and Rizwan seems to have a high ceiling.

Also, the conditions in UAE are likely to suit the Pakistani brand of cricket with Pakistan having done exceptionally well in 2021 World T20 and in the 2022 Asia Cup.

BCCI are likely to make regressive decisions like bringing Shubman Gill into a settled T20 side at the expense of Abishek Sharma and play an extra bowling allrounder, Sundar, ahead of a lower order hitter.

A greenstorm looks extremely likely
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What a great OP mate, proven right in less than 24 hours 👍
 
The Bald Eagle said:
What a great OP mate, proven right in less than 24 hours 👍
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It happened in odi.op predicted for t20s.pak is strong in t20s though.they have a good ceiling. But am not sure about their ability/technique/game awareness. pak t20 team is good/ built for sub continent flat tracks only.
 
Vikram1989 said:
It happened in odi.op predicted for t20s.pak is strong in t20s though.they have a good ceiling. But am not sure about their ability/technique/game awareness. pak t20 team is good/ built for sub continent flat tracks only.
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Our T20 team is no better, although slightly better to watch if one of the boys has a good day.

We are comfortably the worst Asian top team right now.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Our T20 team is no better, although slightly better to watch if one of the boys has a good day.

We are comfortably the worst Asian top team right now.
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Bng is attrocious. Sri Lanka is inconsistent. Afg are too conservative in t20s. I think pak should be 2nd best in Asia.
 
Rana said:
That was the case anyways

We are better equipped this time to deal with the threat. Hesson will get his combos right against the spinners and won’t be feeding right handers to those who turn it away vice versa.
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Kuldeep/ Varun ke samne ek over tak ni khel payega :kp
 
rpant_gabba said:
Agree

huh

Agree


I can see issues with jobs and businesses, what wrong with smoking dope?
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These wannabe fans forget india recently won a T20 series against England (4-1) and South Africa (3-1).

We are going to smashed australia/ NZ in October - Nov

We are undisputed champion of T20 cricket

:kp
 
cricfan432 said:
India is better t20 side, but let's see what pressure does. Side which sustains pressure best will win
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There is 0 pressure on Indian side when they play against Pakistan since 2011...that was also probably because it was semi ..after that we lost two key matches 2017 CT 2021 toss game and also I think a asiancup match...but there was no pressure..we just lost to the better team. We can still lose ofcourse specially in a t20 ...but the rivalry and pressure is gone.
 
I'm more exited to watch the el-classico UAE vs Pak on 15 sep..I'm expecting another history to be created..is there any ex Pakistani player playing for UAE..?
 
gazza619 said:
It seems that whenever we find ourselves at a low point, we tend to bounce back and perform exceptionally well. No point in following sport if we dont have positive mindset for the future.

Common Pakistan! 🇵🇰
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I used to be an optimist too but Pakistan has beaten the optimism out of me.

The simple reality is that they have been down for 2 years now and are yet to bounce back. In test cricket, they have been down for even longer.

At what point does a low-point become the new normal? Because I feel like we’ve stopped waiting for a comeback and just started adjusting to mediocrity.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I used to be an optimist too but Pakistan has beaten the optimism out of me.

The simple reality is that they have been down for 2 years now and are yet to bounce back. In test cricket, they have been down for even longer.

At what point does a low-point become the new normal? Because I feel like we’ve stopped waiting for a comeback and just started adjusting to mediocrity.
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WI played the local conditions well and should be given the due credit . Pakistan picked a few players who should not be near the team. Hesson has really ruined the combo by playing bits and pieces players. With a better strategy we can still do well in white-ball.
 
gazza619 said:
WI played the local conditions well and should be given the due credit . Pakistan picked a few players who should not be near the team. Hesson has really ruined the combo by playing bits and pieces players. With a better strategy we can still do well in white-ball.
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These guys are supposed to be our 'star players', and contrary to what you are saying I don't think there are any great players waiting in the wings to take their place, who will make any kind of discernable difference. It was an absolutely shambolic display by Pakistan to lose the last game, and then completely capitulate in this one. Conceding 110 off 7 overs to Hope and Greaves is WILD. Need I remind you, West Indies didn't even qualify for the last 2 ICC ODI tournaments.

Like I said, we need to stop acting like apologists for mediocrity, and need to start calling things like they are.
 
T20I is a very unpredictable format.

India might look like strongest team but they also have exploitable chinks which will be tested in tournament play (no Bumrah cheatcode, they will likely play 4 bowlers who can't bat, no Chasemaster to handle pressure chases)
 
T20 is one format where gap gets reduced between good and not so good teams but Pakistan has not been doing that well in the T20 for the last 2 years. Playing test cricket in T20 was not helping.


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Buffet said:
T20 is one format where gap gets reduced between good and not so good teams but Pakistan has not been doing that well in the T20 for the last 2 years. Playing test cricket in T20 was not helping.


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New Zealand has the third best W/L but their RPO is only 0.40 better than Pakistan, which is practically nothing.

West Indies have one of the worst W/L but one of the best RPO.

There’s a lot more to success in T20 cricket than batting SR/run rate. Hence, the statement that Pakistan have struggled in the last two years because of batting approach is misleading. It could be one of the reasons but it’s not the only reason.
 
Mamoon said:
New Zealand has the third best W/L but their RPO is only 0.40 better than Pakistan, which is practically nothing.

West Indies have one of the worst W/L but one of the best RPO.

There’s a lot more to success in T20 cricket than batting SR/run rate. Hence, the statement that Pakistan have struggled in the last two years because of batting approach is misleading. It could be one of the reasons but it’s not the only reason.
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Sure, not the only reason. I don't follow all T20 matches. I saw some and I think approach of Pakistani team was like what Dhoni used to have in T20. That's not a great approach. There are just 120 balls and no need to play it like it's ODI with 300 balls at any time or trying to win it in the last 2-3 balls. It's better to just kills the game when it's a decent situation to bat.

Sure, it will require skills and how other team is playing but I felt intention was not there to maximize runs in 20 overs when batting first and not taking the game away when batting second in initial phase. Off course , it may not work despite intention.
 
Pakistan relies on unfamiliarity of players. Once these players get figured out that is when the real challenge begins. I have not seen many of these guys. But one thing is sure. Pakistan is perennially susceptible to short balls. Pretty much any batsman in their line up can be worked over with short stuffs. Probably not on UAE type of slow pitchces which may play into their hands. And also they are susceptible against wristies. Then there is bowling. Pretty much any bowler can bowl a 20 run over.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Pakistan relies on unfamiliarity of players. Once these players get figured out that is when the real challenge begins. I have not seen many of these guys. But one thing is sure. Pakistan is perennially susceptible to short balls. Pretty much any batsman in their line up can be worked over with short stuffs. Probably not on UAE type of slow pitchces which may play into their hands. And also they are susceptible against wristies. Then there is bowling. Pretty much any bowler can bowl a 20 run over.
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Any bowler from any team at this level can go for a 20 run over. The difference is opposition can also inflict the same damage so it doesn’t get highlighted as much.

Pakistan looks worse because par scores cannot be chased down due to incompetent batting. Cricket has become batting centric and a completely bowling dependent team like Pakistan cannot survive for much longer.

Name me one good team at international level with a below average batting line-up and a world-class bowling attack?
 
Usman Chadda said:
Any bowler from any team at this level can go for a 20 run over. The difference is opposition can also inflict the same damage so it doesn’t get highlighted as much.

Pakistan looks worse because par scores cannot be chased down due to incompetent batting. Cricket has become batting centric and a completely bowling dependent team like Pakistan cannot survive for much longer.

Name me one good team at international level with a below average batting line-up and a world-class bowling attack?
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You need minimum 8 bankable overs. Preferably better death bowling is ideal.

Since Jan 1, 2024 ER of main teams vs main teams

Looking at it Srilanka probably has a better bowling and rubbish batting.

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jnaveen1980 said:
You need minimum 8 bankable overs. Preferably better death bowling is ideal.

Since Jan 1, 2024 ER of main teams vs main teams

Looking at it Srilanka probably has a better bowling and rubbish batting.

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Looking at that stat, Bangladesh fits the description better but the results are skewed due to the wickets they play on.

Australia and England languishing at the bottom, but with minimum losses compared to wins in the past year just shows you how over-rated world-class bowling is in T20s specially.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Looking at that stat, Bangladesh fits the description better but the results are skewed due to the wickets they play on.

Australia and England languishing at the bottom, but with minimum losses compared to wins in the past year just shows you how over-rated world-class bowling is in T20s specially.
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It is a short format. So it is about capturing moments. ONe dot ball can be precious. So you just need bowlers to do that. Bankable bowlers.You don't have to have an ER of 6.00. Because it is impossible. Even good bowlers will travel. Almost all bowlers in the world are hittable with a very very few exceptions. And also you need good match ups. Varun C was a good match up for a lot of SENA team players. There may be bowlers who are good at wide yorkers. They don't have to be world class. THey just have to repeat that ball over and over. In T20 world class has a different defnition.
 
straighttalk said:
There is 0 pressure on Indian side when they play against Pakistan since 2011...that was also probably because it was semi ..after that we lost two key matches 2017 CT 2021 toss game and also I think a asiancup match...but there was no pressure..we just lost to the better team. We can still lose ofcourse specially in a t20 ...but the rivalry and pressure is gone.
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Asia cup loss primary reason is that we have rested both dhoni, raina .Ajmal was chucking at his best and got banned in next 2 months .
 
Usman Chadda said:
Australia and England languishing at the bottom, but with minimum losses compared to wins in the past year just shows you how over-rated world-class bowling is in T20s specially.
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Aus won't let their best team in t20s in bilaterals other than tournaments. Their upcoming pacers are rubbish. Eng don't have any apart from archer .even archer got mauled by abhishek and co .
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It is a short format. So it is about capturing moments. ONe dot ball can be precious. So you just need bowlers to do that. Bankable bowlers.You don't have to have an ER of 6.00. Because it is impossible. Even good bowlers will travel. Almost all bowlers in the world are hittable with a very very few exceptions. And also you need good match ups. Varun C was a good match up for a lot of SENA team players. There may be bowlers who are good at wide yorkers. They don't have to be world class. THey just have to repeat that ball over and over. In T20 world class has a different defnition.
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Regardless, T20s are literally about who has the better firepower besides a few rare cases like games in Bangladesh or the recent T20WC in West Indies/US. Besides Bumrah, I don’t see anyone who fits your description about being bankable consistently. Everyone travels, you have just got to make the opposition bowlers travel more.

A team like Pakistan can never be successful by consistently posting below average scores and imploring your bowlers to not defend it every single time. No team at the international stage follows this template, every successful team has a dynamic batting line-up and a good bowling attack supplements it.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Aus won't let their best team in t20s in bilaterals other than tournaments. Their upcoming pacers are rubbish. Eng don't have any apart from archer .even archer got mauled by abhishek and co .
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Didn’t Starc and co get mauled by Rohit Sharma in the recently concluded T20WC?

As I said, everyone travels. Besides Bumrah there is no one that can be considered as bankable as @jnaveen1980 put it.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Didn’t Starc and co get mauled by Rohit Sharma in the recently concluded T20WC?

As I said, everyone travels. Besides Bumrah there is no one that can be considered as bankable as @jnaveen1980 put it.
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Thats the only sample we can think of .its like pat cummins blasting bumrah for four 6's consecutively. Sometimes it happens in t20s but mostly not
 
Pakistan's inept batting is a real cause for concern. Unless we address this, we will continue to falter in crunch matches. The problem is as much in the mind.

Our batting is characterised by:

Frequent Collapses:
The batting lineup has a tendency to lose wickets in clusters, often failing to recover from early setbacks.

Poor shot selection:
Many players get out to rash shots (due to lack of patience or brain fade), particularly in pressure situations, indicating a lack of game awareness and planning.

Inability to build partnerships:
While individual players may score runs, a lack of strong partnerships often hinders Pakistan's ability to post competitive totals. The players have little to no idea of how to construct an innings, whether batting first or chasing a target

Dependence on a few players:
Pakistan's batting often relies heavily on a few key batsmen (It has been the case in every era), and when they fail, the rest of the lineup just folds meekly. Scorecard rarely reflects a collective batting effort. Other teams also collapse, but their lower middle order is somehow able to compensate for early losses. There are always 1 or 2 players who would step up and take on the responsibility of taking their team to a decent total. The most recent example being Australia's first T20I against South Africa (75/6 >>> 178). We don't see this with Pakistan these days, pointing to a lack of genuine all-rounders in the team.

Until we sort out our batting issues, we will continue to be inconsistent and 'predictably' pathetic
 
To be honest no team takes Pakistan seriously these days , they know even with A side they can beat this team.
 
Pakistan is a hit-or-miss type of team now.. You cannot expect much from them nowadays.
 
pratiktc said:
T20I is a very unpredictable format.

India might look like strongest team but they also have exploitable chinks which will be tested in tournament play (no Bumrah cheatcode, they will likely play 4 bowlers who can't bat, no Chasemaster to handle pressure chases)
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No chasemaster is a big loss but in t20 he is a liability ...except perhaps in those key matches against Pak and Australia..but he is good in middling chases in t20s where odi style batting works. Setting total and all is not his forte. Modern t20 has moved past that style.

Apparently Bumrah is going to play and India under gambhir packs the team with all rounders

Samson
Abhishek
Sky
Tilak verma
Hardik
Rinku/or some other player
Axar
Washington
Kuldeep/Varun
Arshdeep
Bumrah

Rana
Varun
JItesh/Jurel
Gill/jaiswal/iyer

This is a strong team on paper. If you can leave out players like gill iyer klr jaiswal let alone Kohli from the t20 team...
 
What if India and Pakistan meet in semi-final or final? Will India boycott? That would be a farce.

I think it is better if India pull off completely instead of doing drama. Let other teams play Asia Cup. :inti
 
straighttalk said:
No chasemaster is a big loss but in t20 he is a liability ...except perhaps in those key matches against Pak and Australia..but he is good in middling chases in t20s where odi style batting works. Setting total and all is not his forte. Modern t20 has moved past that style.

Apparently Bumrah is going to play and India under gambhir packs the team with all rounders

Samson
Abhishek
Sky
Tilak verma
Hardik
Rinku/or some other player
Axar
Washington
Kuldeep/Varun
Arshdeep
Bumrah

Rana
Varun
JItesh/Jurel
Gill/jaiswal/iyer

This is a strong team on paper. If you can leave out players like gill iyer klr jaiswal let alone Kohli from the t20 team...
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Sorry but that's a terrible combination
All our recent success has been achieved by stacking up the batting

Abhishek
Samson
SKY
Tilak
Dube
Rinku
Pandya
Axar
Chakravarthy
Arshdeep
Bumrah

Sundar's batting has not clicked in this format and we don't need a specialist offspinner.

There can be personnel changes but this has to be the template.
 
pratiktc said:
T20I is a very unpredictable format.

India might look like strongest team but they also have exploitable chinks which will be tested in tournament play (no Bumrah cheatcode, they will likely play 4 bowlers who can't bat, no Chasemaster to handle pressure chases)
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naah india nowadays play all rounders up to 8.
 
Hellion said:
Yeah, forgot about him. He should be in the ODI squad as well. Ahead of Abdullah Technique - such a useless player.
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You have short memory, he was giving decent starts while opening last year.
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
Sorry but that's a terrible combination
All our recent success has been achieved by stacking up the batting

Abhishek
Samson
SKY
Tilak
Dube
Rinku
Pandya
Axar
Chakravarthy
Arshdeep
Bumrah

Sundar's batting has not clicked in this format and we don't need a specialist offspinner.

There can be personnel changes but this has to be the template.
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Gill will most probably replace one of Tilak or Rinku. BCCI needs a new poster boy now that Virat & Rohit are on their last legs.
 
sweep_shot said:
What if India and Pakistan meet in semi-final or final? Will India boycott? That would be a farce.

I think it is better if India pull off completely instead of doing drama. Let other teams play Asia Cup. :inti
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It will be better if India boycott playing against your third class team that lost to Bangladesh in T20 series at home last month in your tiny island.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Sorry but that's a terrible combination
All our recent success has been achieved by stacking up the batting

Abhishek
Samson
SKY
Tilak
Dube
Rinku
Pandya
Axar
Chakravarthy
Arshdeep
Bumrah

Sundar's batting has not clicked in this format and we don't need a specialist offspinner.

There can be personnel changes but this has to be the template.
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Wait the only change you did was Sundar for that useless Dube...Varun vs Kuldeep is a diff choice.. how is that a different combination...as in completely different set of batsmen

If we play in Dubai..we play with multiple spinners..hence Sundar was selected.
 
straighttalk said:
Wait the only change you did was Sundar for that useless Dube...Varun vs Kuldeep is a diff choice.. how is that a different combination...as in completely different set of batsmen

If we play in Dubai..we play with multiple spinners..hence Sundar was selected.
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His batting is not good enough for T20 cricket. I would play a hitter + part time bowler instead.

That's the template I would go for and that's the template that has worked for India in recent times.
 
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