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Somehow media and cricket pundits have completely ignored this major fact that Team Pakistan has not lost any Test Series on Home Soil since 2007 Test series defeat against South Africa. It is almost 10 years.

Since 2007 on-wards, Team Pakistan has played Test Series in 3 different locations (Pakistan, England and UAE). It is a remarkable achievement (slightly underrated). Since 2007, all other Test Playing Nations have lost at least once on their "Home designated series".

Due to Yasir Shah's continuous rise and stability in the shape of Azhar Ali, astute captaincy of Sarfaraz and gradual rise of Mohammad Aamir along with Hasan Ali, I really can not see this Team Pakistan getting beaten in Home Test series in near future.

Pakistan has completed a grand slam of (World Cup, T20 World Cup, Test Mace and ICC Champions Trophy) now 2 pending tasks are 1) Winning Test Series in South Africa and 2) Winning Test Series in Australia.

If any other cricket nation would have gone 10 years without Test Series defeat on home soil, I am sure articles after articles would have been written by foreign media.

It is definitely possible. We no longer have defensive minded captains in our team.
 
Welcome to PakPassion good post.

This has been discussed here before and yeah I absolutely agree even with Misbah and YK retiring I really can't see us getting beat in UAE. We have the perfect bowlers, guys like Amir and Hasan who will bowl in good lengths and may not pick up wickets on those dead wickets but won't give runs, then we have Yasir Shah a brilliant bowler in numerous places but an absolute beast in UAE. Plus at this point no team is really playing spin well and we always have a number of spinner we can play. Then our Test Batting is also perfect for Conditions like the UAE so really Pakistan losing a Test Series in UAE, can't see that in the near future.

You can not beat us in our own kingdom!
 
Pakistan will need to play really well and aggressively to win test series in Australia and South Africa.

Probably can beat SA right now if they plan well and bat well but not Australia.
 
Articles after articles have been written about Pakistan's performance in the CT, but some people can't overcome the mentality that everyone is out to get them.

Also, while Pakistan hasn't lost a series at home (which is definitely a great achievement), they also haven't dominated like other teams. They played 11 home series since that 2007 loss against South Africa, and drew 6 of them.
 
I don't think sarf will be able to continue the streak in UAE. It's about to end, specially with no misbah and yk.
 
May i know the ranking of pakistan in tests as a result of this ? And can you also tell how many tests series have pakistan won in uae in last 2-3 years?
 
akki said:
May i know the ranking of pakistan in tests as a result of this ? And can you also tell how many tests series have pakistan won in uae in last 2-3 years?
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Clearly you have difficulty in reading the thread title and what's being discussed here. If you want to discuss the issues you've mentioned in your post please create a new thread and rant away. Do not derail this thread which clearly states (and I am copying this from the OP)

Somehow media and cricket pundits have completely ignored this major fact that Team Pakistan has not lost any Test Series on Home Soil since 2007
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If you still don't get what is being discussed here then I'd unfortunately have to put it down as COMPREHENSION FAIL, which for many is just out of their control.......
 
Zeshan547 said:
I don't think sarf will be able to continue the streak in UAE. It's about to end, specially with no misbah and yk.
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no way. We have lots of good players for tests coming though. The likes of Sami Aslam, Imam, Salahuddin, Haris Sohail etc can prove replacements for YK and Misbah but only problem is the presence that YK and Misbah bought to our team. That will be a big blow for at least 1-2 years as it takes pressure of the other batsmen but in the long term our test team is looking good, especially now we have found a gem in Hasan Ali and Amir is also getting back to his best. Abbas looks good too
 
Don't think its going to continue for a long time. We aren't playing a lot of cricket in the imminent future and the lack of match practice can be detrimental.
 
Sachin136 said:
Articles after articles have been written about Pakistan's performance in the CT, but some people can't overcome the mentality that everyone is out to get them.

Also, while Pakistan hasn't lost a series at home (which is definitely a great achievement), they also haven't dominated like other teams. They played 11 home series since that 2007 loss against South Africa, and drew 6 of them.
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So didn't win half of the series played in UAE then in this period. Not losing is surely a good thing, but overall all performance is not really a great one and that's probably plays some part in not many talking about it.
 
To maintain our record we need to identify our batting unit going forward.

Asad Shafiq needs to step up now that the two seniors won't be holding his hand anymore. Azhar I trust with the added responsibility.

I would recall Sami Aslam, with neither Shehzad or Masood impressing in the Caribbean, to partner Azhar as opener. Sarfraz needs to convert his "busy 30s and 40s" into bigger knocks if he wants to be considered an elite wicketkeeper-batsman.

There may also be a case for bringing in an AR as we lack a fifth bowling option.
 
akki said:
May i know the ranking of pakistan in tests as a result of this ? And can you also tell how many tests series have pakistan won in uae in last 2-3 years?
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They did achieve no.1 ranking. Despite they couldn't retain the same ranking for long but it is part of the game...and besides the OP is not talking about ranking anyway so let's get back to the topic.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Clearly you have difficulty in reading the thread title and what's being discussed here. If you want to discuss the issues you've mentioned in your post please create a new thread and rant away. Do not derail this thread which clearly states (and I am copying this from the OP)



If you still don't get what is being discussed here then I'd unfortunately have to put it down as COMPREHENSION FAIL, which for many is just out of their control.......
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why was it not related to this thresd..so you will tell me what do i need to ask or what i dnt need to? I just want to know how many tests they have won as it stated pakistan didnt lost test series . Isnt it related ??
 
It is always helpful to start your PP career by exhibiting your victim mentality, since it gets you in the good books of PPers. Clearly, the OP is "somehow" not aware of all the tributes and plaudits the team has received for winning the Champions Trophy.

Now to address the issue raised, the fact is that no one but Pakistani fans care about the rubbish UAE Tests. Dull cricket, dull pitches, dull atmosphere and more crows in attendance than people. For other teams, playing Pakistan in the UAE is like playing at a neutral venue, so Pakistan's dominance at "home" doesn't mean much to the world. If we would have played our home Tests in Pakistan over the last decade rather than England, New Zealand and the UAE, the world would have taken notice of our unbeaten run at home.

Hence, it's not a conspiracy against Pakistan and the world is not out to get us; it is simply a consequence of our self-inflicted isolation in international cricket. As long as we are not playing our home matches in Pakistan, our home Tests will continue to be meaningless neutral matches.
 
Sarwar89 said:
Somehow media and cricket pundits have completely ignored this major fact that Team Pakistan has not lost any Test Series on Home Soil since 2007 Test series defeat against South Africa. It is almost 10 years.
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here is the reason why

Link: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2007;spanval2=span;template=results;type=team

So Pakistan has played one of the least no of tests at Home+Neutral venues which is the same number as BD and yet the W/L ratio is 3rd. BTW you even lost Tests to NZ and WI (at home) in this time frame. Also others have pointed out the no.of drawn series.

In other words it is harder to go without a loss if you play lot more cricket (almost twice) and the blame for not getting enough cricket in UAE + Pakistan lies squarely on PCB because even WI somehow manage to play more tests than Pakistan.
 
Mamoon said:
It is always helpful to start your PP career by exhibiting your victim mentality, since it gets you in the good books of PPers. Clearly, the OP is "somehow" not aware of all the tributes and plaudits the team has received for winning the Champions Trophy.

Now to address the issue raised, the fact is that no one but Pakistani fans care about the rubbish UAE Tests. Dull cricket, dull pitches, dull atmosphere and more crows in attendance than people. For other teams, playing Pakistan in the UAE is like playing at a neutral venue, so Pakistan's dominance at "home" doesn't mean much to the world. If we would have played our home Tests in Pakistan over the last decade rather than England, New Zealand and the UAE, the world would have taken notice of our unbeaten run at home.

Hence, it's not a conspiracy against Pakistan and the world is not out to get us; it is simply a consequence of our self-inflicted isolation in international cricket. As long as we are not playing our home matches in Pakistan, our home Tests will continue to be meaningless neutral matches.
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Believe me, when I say so, the only victim at PP is you, my little friend

"Rubbish UAE Tests" --> Hardest place on our planet to win a test series. Where we've been merciless against "rubbish" teams like the Smith's, Starc's and Johsnson's Aussies / Cook's Broad's and Anderson's English side :yk

Phainta to India ko bhi laga dena tha, un ki bas himmat nahi hame visit karen UAE me :yk

Hence, it's not a conspiracy against Pakistan and the world is not out to get us; it is simply a consequence of our self-inflicted isolation in international cricket. As long as we are not playing our home matches in Pakistan, our home Tests will continue to be meaningless neutral matches.
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"self inflicted" seriously man?

PCT for life.
 
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Sarwar89 said:
Somehow media and cricket pundits have completely ignored this major fact that Team Pakistan has not lost any Test Series on Home Soil since 2007 Test series defeat against South Africa. It is almost 10 years.

Since 2007 on-wards, Team Pakistan has played Test Series in 3 different locations (Pakistan, England and UAE). It is a remarkable achievement (slightly underrated). Since 2007, all other Test Playing Nations have lost at least once on their "Home designated series".

Due to Yasir Shah's continuous rise and stability in the shape of Azhar Ali, astute captaincy of Sarfaraz and gradual rise of Mohammad Aamir along with Hasan Ali, I really can not see this Team Pakistan getting beaten in Home Test series in near future.

Pakistan has completed a grand slam of (World Cup, T20 World Cup, Test Mace and ICC Champions Trophy) now 2 pending tasks are 1) Winning Test Series in South Africa and 2) Winning Test Series in Australia.

If any other cricket nation would have gone 10 years without Test Series defeat on home soil, I am sure articles after articles would have been written by foreign media.

It is definitely possible. We no longer have defensive minded captains in our team.
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I have not scrolled down yet but can bet there must already be a handful of Indian posters trying to demean this achievement as well as some wanna be Pak posters as well!

To all of them I say 'Jal gayay Burnol Lagayiyaay'
 
Going unbeaten in home tests for such a long time is a really good achievement. Credit to Misbah and co.

Don't like UAE conditions but our team has found a way to win in those conditions so for that they deserve credit. Also playing virtually with no spectators makes the achievement even better.
 
Hasan123 said:
Going unbeaten in home tests for such a long time is a really good achievement. Credit to Misbah and co.

Don't like UAE conditions but our team has found a way to win in those conditions so for that they deserve credit. Also playing virtually with no spectators makes the achievement even better.
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Agreed. Also, in some matches, pitches were so dull and slow (trun wise) that it totally negated Pak spinners as well. On such pitches, touring teams have just as much of a chance to win as well. Yet, if Pak have remained undefeated, it is def a pretty signinificant achievement!

Whether Indians or any posters like it or not, they would have gladly taken such a news and be extremely excited if it was for their own team
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Believe me, when I say so, the only victim at PP is you, my little friend

"Rubbish UAE Tests" --> Hardest place on our planet to win a test series. Where we've been merciless against "rubbish" teams like the Smith's, Starc's and Johsnson's Aussies / Cook's Broad's and Anderson's English side :yk

Phainta to India ko bhi laga dena tha, un ki bas himmat nahi hame visit karen UAE me :yk


"self inflicted" seriously man?

PCT for life.
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None of what you said alludes to the point that I made. It is not about how difficult it is to win in the UAE; it is about the fact that series in the UAE is quite irrelevant for most teams. It is an insignificant venue and has the feel of a neutral series. Winning or losing in the UAE is not the same as winning or losing in Australia, England, India, South Africa, Sri Lanka and of course Pakistan itself.

Our unbeaten "home" run has been spread across three countries (England, NZ and UAE) and it is not the same as making your own country your fortress. Foreign players will be much more motivated to perform and win in Pakistan instead of winning a series in a neutral venue like the UAE.

As a result, it has nothing to do with any agenda or propaganda against us. As far as the isolation is concerned, of course it is self-inflicted. We haven't been able to host matches in Pakistan because we have not been able to provide touring teams with sufficient security. You may choose to delegate the blame, but the fact is that it is due to our failings and no one else's.
 
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credit goes to the support staff, coach and who was the selector back then?

ohh and misbah also shares some credit
 
Monsee said:
Agreed. Also, in some matches, pitches were so dull and slow (trun wise) that it totally negated Pak spinners as well. On such pitches, touring teams have just as much of a chance to win as well. Yet, if Pak have remained undefeated, it is def a pretty signinificant achievement!

Whether Indians or any posters like it or not, they would have gladly taken such a news and be extremely excited if it was for their own team
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The pitches are absolutely awful and that is why I don't enjoy UAE . But credit to the team for finding a way to win.

Hope PCB change the surfaces that are produced.
 
Monsee said:
Agreed. Also, in some matches, pitches were so dull and slow (trun wise) that it totally negated Pak spinners as well. On such pitches, touring teams have just as much of a chance to win as well. Yet, if Pak have remained undefeated, it is def a pretty signinificant achievement!

Whether Indians or any posters like it or not, they would have gladly taken such a news and be extremely excited if it was for their own team
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Given India's formidable record at home over the last 25+ years, we don't really need to look at any other team (just two series losses since 1-Jan-2001 IIRC -- one against Aus in 2004 and another against England in 2012). Australia's record is incredibly strong too since Alan Border's time.

There is a reason no one talks about this ... most tier 1 teams are strong at home.
 
^^^Huge difference in perspective...one team have NOT lost a series in 10 years while other two have!

Comprehension fail
 
Amazing achievement no matter how you cut it. Also, consider that the UAE isn't even 'home' for these players. Look no further than the cases of Yardy and Trott to see only some of the effects of extended time away from home on players.

If it was such an easy thing to do then Pakistan would not be the only team to have done this, just consider some of the feats that Pakistan have actually pulled to maintain this record -

Misbah and Younis playing out the last day against a very good SA attack (almost immediately after the fixing scandal)

Whitewashing England (then the no. 1 ranked team, including a win after being bowled out for 99 in the first innings)

Chasing 302 against SL in 50 overs

A Test win against SA (not the current SA we see now but probably the last team which could make a claim as a great Test team with peak Steyn, Kallis and Smith).

And I know I've missed some others but how many other teams have pulled off these kind of unexpected victories in that time span?

IMO we can attribute this to two main things - a disciplined batting line up that has the ability to play attritional cricket when the occasion requires (although not always pulling it off) and a potent spin attack with a captain who was very good as using said attack.
 
Common sense is when numbers don't lie. And you don't let jingoism run your brain rot. :)
 
Tusker said:
Two teams have played significantly more Tests and have better W/L ratio and never lost to a minnow in decades ... infact one team has a W/L ratio that is three times that of Pakistan. Link : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2007;spanval2=span;template=results;type=team

common sense fail :facepalm:
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Tusker said:
You lost home Testmatches to friggin WI and NZ and you are lecturing people about Jingoism ? :)))
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But did we lose both series? Wait, I'll give you your answer, NO.
 
Tusker said:
You lost home Testmatches to friggin WI and NZ and you are lecturing people about Jingoism ? :)))
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And you let O'Keefe 'Can't Spin a centimeter' maul your team so bad that all other tests had to be on rigged pitches to restore some face; one of the most shameful home test defeats ever (speaking of mauling, how about that CT one recently, oops I am not supposed to talk about it anymore):misbah
 
That record is as exaggerated as Misbah getting all the credit for it by some folks.

Our test success in UAE is definitely an achievement, but not as big as we make it, because we haven't been as dominating and ruthless as we should be. I.e. Getting destroyed by NZ when we should've won the series, same vs SA, and then losing a test to a loser team like WI.
 
Suleiman said:
That record is as exaggerated as Misbah getting all the credit for it by some folks.

Our test success in UAE is definitely an achievement, but not as big as we make it, because we haven't been as dominating and ruthless as we should be. I.e. Getting destroyed by NZ when we should've won the series, same vs SA, and then losing a test to a loser team like WI.
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On those flat roads (especially in the two tests you pointed to), it becomes even stevens and becomes quite hard for a team like to dominate especially it was playing with bowlers with the average combined test experience of 10-15 tests each or less!

NZ and SA have had settled and experienced attacks during those matches and they were able to mount a counter attack much easily because of Pak not having the resources of some of their top bowlers for various reasons. In that light, I don't consider those two test defeats as something as bad as let's say India losing against the 'Can't Spin or Deviate much' spin of O'Keefe, now that was some shockingly bad performance for sure
 
Monsee said:
On those flat roads (especially in the two tests you pointed to), it becomes even stevens and becomes quite hard for a team like to dominate especially it was playing with bowlers with the average combined test experience of 10-15 tests each or less!

NZ and SA have had settled and experienced attacks during those matches and they were able to mount a counter attack much easily because of Pak not having the resources of some of their top bowlers for various reasons. In that light, I don't consider those two test defeats as something as bad as let's say India losing against the 'Can't Spin or Deviate much' spin of O'Keefe, now that was some shockingly bad performance for sure
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On those flatter tracks what you need are batsmen with intent, which is an area we were/are lacking in seriously. The addition of Sharjeel to the test squad was a positive way to address it, but was short lived as he is now gone. You saw Shafiq go hard at it as well, and he is a good stroke maker when the pressure is all the way off.

Currently Sarfraz is the only aggressor.

We had guys like Shehzad playing their "natural game" which was to just prod along and give chances to guys like Craig as the pitch got worn down, whereas you had Bmac going balls to the wall.

It's an area where we are still lacking in, and if we address it right I think it will go a long way in dominating teams in UAE as we already have the spin bowling front down pat.

Remains to be seen how Amir adopts against stronger opposition in the UAE and what kind of batsmen we get for Misbah and Younis. Fawad Alam might get his chance now, and while earned, it doesn't help in this regard.

This is why I support the idea of playing few "home" series in England. UAE is a cancerous place for developing young batsmen.
 
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While I agree with the jist of your message, some fans think Pak that aggressive batsmen also include failures and railu kataay like Akmal brothers (both pretty useless by now), Hafeez (on his day if he finds a road, he can play a blinder as well but not consitently enough), Shehzad etc.

We have to give chances to people like Fakkhar and any others that play with intent and let them get settled in the team; Harris Sohail is another one
 
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