Pakistan to India mass migration - Part II

[PennOne]

I don't think all Muslims support Taliban if that is your question.

but do most?

 

[yeh cheez]

but do most?

http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/08/27/a-less-gloomy-mood-in-pakistan/

 

[amax]

I can speak to this more than anybody because I am a tamilian. Often times on this forum I hear statements from some people that pakistanis and Indians are the same we share the same culture and language. These are ignorant statements and cannot be further from the truth. You only share the same language and culture with a few handful of states in India. You simply do not share our mindset and way of life. .

old post but a valid point I see lot of play of words regarding that specially by wannabe liberals of particular kind, What ever the reason for creation ;Pakistan ultimately ended up a NW South Asian state both geographically and overwhelmingly ethnically. The native ethnicites of land Punjab, Pakhtunkhwa, Sindh, Baluchistan, GB/Kashmir are minuscule outside of NW South Asia, partition itself was more like just partition of Punjab and majority of migration and blood shed was b/w central Punjab region. So if someone cant adjust in the above mentioned region's socioeconomic can always gtfo. BTW I am not denying many similarities we share as a South Asian.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

old post but a valid point I see lot of play of words regarding that specially by wannabe liberals of particular kind, What ever the reason for creation ;Pakistan ultimately ended up a NW South Asian state both geographically and overwhelmingly ethnically. The native ethnicites of land Punjab, Pakhtunkhwa, Sindh, Baluchistan, GB/Kashmir are minuscule outside of NW South Asia, partition itself was more like just partition of Punjab and majority of migration and blood shed was b/w central Punjab region. So if someone cant adjust in the above mentioned region's socioeconomic can always gtfo. BTW I am not denying many similarities we share as a South Asian.

I think Bollywood gives a false impression of India to many Pakistanis as it is dominated by North Indian from what I can see. The language translates across Pakistan and can be understood as far as Afghanistan as Hindi is basically same as Urdu.

 

[90MPH]

I think Blackyellow and some Indian posters have put down Yeh Chez delusions down very firmly.

Firstly India itself has a massive overgrown population that's only going to get worse in years to come so no mass immigration is not happening.

Secondly India itself is not exactly a beacon of hope for all minorities. I don't have to give a history lesson the problems minorities have faced, especially when it's clear some of the violence was given the green light by high ranking officials at state level.

Thirdly I will repeat if you had bad experiments, understandable. If you want to migrate, fine. But don't say you represent all minorities because you do not. You are only talking for yourself.

 

[90MPH]

*bad experience

 

[mallu]

It's surprising that most pakistanis replying to this thread have not clearly said whether they would like to give full rights to the minorities.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's surprising that most pakistanis replying to this thread have not clearly said whether they would like to give full rights to the minorities.

Quite a few of them have, but considering the subject was raised in a deliberately provocative manner with an idiotic suggestion to mass migrate to India, then most are not taking it seriously. Would you be prepared to accept mass immigration from Pakistan as an Indian?

 

[yeh cheez]

It's surprising that most pakistanis replying to this thread have not clearly said whether they would like to give full rights to the minorities.

If there wasn't widespread support for apartheid in Pakistan in the name of religion, we would be equal citizens today.

Except for a handful, all I see is a bunch of excuses from my fellow citizens about how equal rights should not be a priority.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Secondly India itself is not exactly a beacon of hope for all minorities. I don't have to give a history lesson the problems minorities have faced, especially when it's clear some of the violence was given the green light by high ranking officials at state level.

Depends on which part of india one is from.. In Rampur in UP (where Azam Khan is the de facto king) 800 dalits converted to Islam so that their houses will be spared from demolition.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...omes-from-demolition/articleshow/46926417.cms

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think Blackyellow and some Indian posters have put down Yeh Chez delusions down very firmly.

Yes no Indian is in support of this mass migration/

Firstly India itself has a massive overgrown population that's only going to get worse in years to come so no mass immigration is not happening.

Get worse?How?The population growth rate is coming down and economic rate/education rate/poverty alleivement is going up.So things will get better.But still no chance of any migration.

Secondly India itself is not exactly a beacon of hope for all minorities. I don't have to give a history lesson the problems minorities have faced, especially when it's clear some of the violence was given the green light by high ranking officials at state level.

Our record of minority treatment is much better than Pakistan.And what green light by state officials are you talking about.

Thirdly I will repeat if you had bad experiments, understandable. If you want to migrate, fine. But don't say you represent all minorities because you do not. You are only talking for yourself.

This i agree.

 

[Moh@n]

The Indian minorities (read Muslims) are eligible to avail subsidy from the Indian government for their yearly Haj trip, to the tune of nearly US $2000 per pilgrim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_subsidy

Now this is a substantial amount of taxpayer's money being spent on the minority community. Agreed that minorities might be facing a few issues but they also reap the benefits.

I am curious to know if the Pakistani government has any similar schemes for their minority.

 

[yeh cheez]

The Indian minorities (read Muslims) are eligible to avail subsidy from the Indian government for their yearly Haj trip, to the tune of nearly US $2000 per pilgrim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_subsidy

Now this is a substantial amount of taxpayer's money being spent on the minority community. Agreed that minorities might be facing a few issues but they also reap the benefits.

I am curious to know if the Pakistani government has any similar schemes for their minority.

Special privileges like Polygamy and Haj subsidy that Muslims enjoy in India is a far cry for us Non-Muslims in Pakistan, we don't even have 'equal rights' in our own country!

We are banned from holding positions of power in the Government which makes us 'second class citizens' and with the blasphemy sword hanging over each of our heads our lives are at risk. [emoji22]

No Non-Muslim will even risk asking for equal rights in Pakistan after our last Minority Minister in Govt (Shahbaz Bhatti) was gunned down because he dared to. [emoji120]

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The Indian minorities (read Muslims) are eligible to avail subsidy from the Indian government for their yearly Haj trip, to the tune of nearly US $2000 per pilgrim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_subsidy

Now this is a substantial amount of taxpayer's money being spent on the minority community. Agreed that minorities might be facing a few issues but they also reap the benefits.

I am curious to know if the Pakistani government has any similar schemes for their minority.

Pakistan doesn't give any Haj subsidies for the Muslims never mind minorities. In any case, isn't the Haj subsidy in India being phased out? In any case, Indian Muslims have claimed the Haj subsidies are a con with raised air fare prices meaning the chief benefit goes to Indian airlines, not the travellers.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Vijayawada/sc-judgement-on-haj-subsidy-hailed/article3432059.ece

 

[90MPH]

Yes no Indian is in support of this mass migration/



Get worse?How?The population growth rate is coming down and economic rate/education rate/poverty alleivement is going up.So things will get better.But still no chance of any migration.



Our record of minority treatment is much better than Pakistan.And what green light by state officials are you talking about.



This i agree.

On Indias massive overgrown population show me any claim or evidence that there is even a hint it's going down ?? It's a massive problem and it's not going to be solved for decades. It's getting worse because of mass immigration from Bangladesh.

On your bizzare claim that you have a better record it's only in the mind of deluded chest beating blind Indian nationals like you. You have an appalling record so don't come here lecturing or looking down at Pakistanis. As for the green light from goverment officials go learn some history. I wi
Give you some clues in terms of dates - check 1984, 1992 and 2001. There's much more
Obviously but check those first.

As for your last quote Glad to know after 4 years we agreed on something.

 

[amax]

On Indias massive overgrown population show me any claim or evidence that there is even a hint it's going down ?? It's a massive problem and it's not going to be solved for decades. It's getting worse because of mass immigration from Bangladesh.

on Indian population topic it is scientifically not possible to reverse the cycle(achieve replacement level) before 2061 when Indian population will reach 1.61 billion.

 

[Laal]

It's surprising that most pakistanis replying to this thread have not clearly said whether they would like to give full rights to the minorities.

Because it's a given. Only a fundamentalist would disagree. However, these things are easier said than done. Need to focus on the mechanics and prescriptions, not diagnoses. A 9 year old boy in Pakistan realizes that things need to change.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Modi ji has already granted Indian citizenship to over 900 Pakistani minorities provided they put their claims in before 2009. Looks like you missed the boat cheez bhai.

Over 900 Pakistani Hindus eligible for Indian citizenship: report


http://www.dawn.com/news/745973/over-900-pakistani-hindus-eligible-indian-citizenship-report

 

[yeh cheez]

Modi ji has already granted Indian citizenship to over 900 Pakistani minorities provided they put their claims in before 2009. Looks like you missed the boat cheez bhai.

The news article is about Pakistani Hindus already in India refusing to go back to Pakistan.

Read the OP again, it's about creating a legal channel for Non-Muslim Pakistani citizens to escape apartheid.

 

[cricketjoshila]

On Indias massive overgrown population show me any claim or evidence that there is even a hint it's going down ?? It's a massive problem and it's not going to be solved for decades. It's getting worse because of mass immigration from Bangladesh.

India's population growth rate is coming down every year.Its 1.2 according to the latest data,so you are ill informed.The situation is improving.

On your bizzare claim that you have a better record it's only in the mind of deluded chest beating blind Indian nationals like you. You have an appalling record so don't come here lecturing or looking down at Pakistanis.

Pakistani constitution makes minorities second grade citizens,Indian constitution doesnt.So Pakistan treats minorities as second grade LEGALLY.Dont even make me talk about the condition of Ahmadiyyas or the killings of Shias or how blashphemy laws are used to torture minorities.

As for the green light from goverment officials go learn some history. I wi
Give you some clues in terms of dates - check 1984, 1992 and 2001. There's much more
Obviously but check those first.

Rather than giving ambigous replies like that i expect someone like you to be detailed.

As for your last quote Glad to know after 4 years we agreed on something.

Good to know that.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The news article is about Pakistani Hindus already in India refusing to go back to Pakistan.

Read the OP again, it's about creating a legal channel for Non-Muslim Pakistani citizens to escape apartheid.

It's not just Hindus in Pakistan, but relates to wider minorities from both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

http://articles.economictimes.india...-citizenship-citizenship-rules-long-term-visa

Government announces concessions for refugees from Pakistan, Afghanistan

NEW DELHI: Government today announced a number of concessions for Hindu and Sikh refugees from Pakistan and Afghanistan as part of which it also introduced relaxations in the procedure for granting them Indian citizenship.

Home Minister Rajnath Singh approved a proposal for manual acceptance of applications for granting of Indian citizenship to minority community nationals of Pakistan and Afghanistan who entered India prior to December 31, 2009.

 

[deathstreak]

Pakistan doesn't give any Haj subsidies for the Muslims never mind minorities. In any case, isn't the Haj subsidy in India being phased out? In any case, Indian Muslims have claimed the Haj subsidies are a con with raised air fare prices meaning the chief benefit goes to Indian airlines, not the travellers.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Vijayawada/sc-judgement-on-haj-subsidy-hailed/article3432059.ece

Yes since the subsidy can only be used if you fly Indian Airlines.
Still good enough to get some free of cost to and fro Mecca. But not enough and is basically a useless subsidy.
Should be phased out since its useless, does not add at all to society

 

[yeh cheez]

Long-term Indian visa for Pakistani Hindus and Sikhs

In yet another relief to Pakistani citizens belonging to the minority community, the government of India has enabled them to apply online for their long-term visa (LTV) and track the status of their application. The online system, which will also cover processing of the LTV visa application by various agencies, replaces the manual system of accepting such applications.

The online application system will help Pakistani nationals belonging to minority community, particularly Hindus and Sikhs, who seek refuge in India for fear of religious persecution back home. These minority nationals come to India with the intention to settle permanently. The government, sympathetic to their cause, has been taking steps to streamline the procedures to facilitate their stay in India.

While the manual system of submission of LTV application by eligible Pakistani citizens will continue along with the online system for a period of three months, with effect from August 1, 2015, all applications for LTV will be received and processed only in online mode.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=timesofindia

 

[Rishikesh]

30,000 Pakistanis granted Long Term Visas, allows them to buy property, get PAN, Aadhaar

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...-granted-long-term-visas-pan-aadhaar-5262251/

 

[Slog]

After the independence of the two countries; Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Republic of India, there was a mass migration of people from both sides of the border as Muslims from India moved to Pakistan and Non-Muslims from Pakistan moved to India.

The Non-Muslims who stayed back in Pakistan would have never envisioned a rapidly Talibanizing Pakistan of today. The Pakistan constitution has made Non-Muslim citizens as second-class, and as Pakistanis continue the slide towards more Sharia as a solution to their problems, things are bound to only get worse.

Ideally there would be a 2 year window at the Punjab border for families to cross over. At the border they would have to prove that they are victims of Apartheid, meaning Non-Muslim citizens (this would include Ahmedis as per the definition of Pak Govt.).

India's population is 1.3 billion, the population of Pakistani Non-Muslims is ~4 million, a drop in the ocean considering there are 20 million illegal Bangladeshis living in India today. Also, not every single Non-Muslim from Pakistan will want to or will be able to migrate, so the numbers should not be an issue.

Would India be generous enough to open its border and give a second chance to the persecuted Non-Muslims of Pakistan to cross over and live a life free of apartheid?

Seems like the OP - long gone - has finally been granted his wish today.

 

[Captain caveman]

30,000 Pakistanis granted Long Term Visas, allows them to buy property, get PAN, Aadhaar

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...-granted-long-term-visas-pan-aadhaar-5262251/

PAN -aadhaar i.e half price paan, thats how you are bribing them to come to india with mita paans and tabaccu wala paans at half price?

No seriously, why only hindus and sikhs, why not christians as well being welcomed by india?

 

[sukhoi]

PAN -aadhaar i.e half price paan, thats how you are bribing them to come to india with mita paans and tabaccu wala paans at half price?

No seriously, why only hindus and sikhs, why not christians as well being welcomed by india?

CAB includes christians, jains and all except muslims from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh

Not sure why Srilanka was not included when there is a huge amount of Tamils from lanka in TN, ironically the BJP was able to get over in RS becoz of AIDMK PARTY which is from TN and they voted in favour of BJP ------ Politics

 

[Captain caveman]

CAB includes christians, jains and all except muslims from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh

Not sure why Srilanka was not included when there is a huge amount of Tamils from lanka in TN, ironically the BJP was able to get over in RS becoz of AIDMK PARTY which is from TN and they voted in favour of BJP ------ Politics

From yeh cheez's post


"The online application system will help Pakistani nationals belonging to minority community, particularly Hindus and Sikhs, who seek refuge in India for fear of religious persecution back home."

In theory for everyone except muslims but in reality mainly for hindus and sikhs.

 

[andy0204]

PAN -aadhaar i.e half price paan, thats how you are bribing them to come to india with mita paans and tabaccu wala paans at half price?

No seriously, why only hindus and sikhs, why not christians as well being welcomed by india?

Permanent Account Number (PAN) is a number which is issued to an individual who pays their taxes. It is a 10-digit alphanumeric number that plays a vital role in a majority of various transactions which are made by an individual on a regular basis.

Aadhar is a 12-digit unique number issued by the Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) by taking a person's biometric details such as iris scan and fingerprints, and demographic information like date of birth and address.

So basically it's an identity card for an Indian citizens.

 

[Captain caveman]

Permanent Account Number (PAN) is a number which is issued to an individual who pays their taxes. It is a 10-digit alphanumeric number that plays a vital role in a majority of various transactions which are made by an individual on a regular basis.

Aadhar is a 12-digit unique number issued by the Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) by taking a person's biometric details such as iris scan and fingerprints, and demographic information like date of birth and address.

So basically it's an identity card for an Indian citizens.

Thanks for that.
I was only joking.
You never answered why mainly only hindus and sikhs from pak, ban and afghhan will receive permanent stay in india, why not ALL christians who apply?

 

[sukhoi]

Thanks for that.
I was only joking.
You never answered why mainly only hindus and sikhs from pak, ban and afghhan will receive permanent stay in india, why not ALL christians who apply?

Nice try

Know what you did there

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Pakistan should also seriously consider opening the gates one last time for the Muslims of India. If anyone wants to come, they can apply so they will be evaluated and granted permission. I wonder how many applications we will get!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistan should also seriously consider opening the gates one last time for the Muslims of India. If anyone wants to come, they can apply so they will be evaluated and granted permission. I wonder how many applications we will get!

Personally I think Bangladesh, India and Pakistan should remove all borders and just let people go where they want. Capitalism will ensure there will always be a demand for homes in most every major city.

The BJP model for Indian held Kashmir could be the way to go, as Modi's govt is encouraging Hindus to go mix in Muslim areas. Why not apply this across the whole SC?

 

[Mesozoic]

Personally I think Bangladesh, India and Pakistan should remove all borders and just let people go where they want. Capitalism will ensure there will always be a demand for homes in most every major city.

The BJP model for Indian held Kashmir could be the way to go, as Modi's govt is encouraging Hindus to go mix in Muslim areas. Why not apply this across the whole SC?

Or just reunite under United Kingdom of India like "you" Brits.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Personally I think Bangladesh, India and Pakistan should remove all borders and just let people go where they want. Capitalism will ensure there will always be a demand for homes in most every major city.

The BJP model for Indian held Kashmir could be the way to go, as Modi's govt is encouraging Hindus to go mix in Muslim areas. Why not apply this across the whole SC?

That defeats the whole purpose of partition, doesn't it? Anyway, that's interesting idea for sure.

 

[Syed1]

Personally I think Bangladesh, India and Pakistan should remove all borders and just let people go where they want. Capitalism will ensure there will always be a demand for homes in most every major city.

The BJP model for Indian held Kashmir could be the way to go, as Modi's govt is encouraging Hindus to go mix in Muslim areas. Why not apply this across the whole SC?

It would have been better had you penned your thoughts on a nice clean piece of paper and then flushed it down the toilet, rather than posting it here.