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Pakistan Under-19 lose 6 wickets for 26 runs against India U19s : Is this the future of our batting?

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It was a decent start, Pak U19 were heading towards a okayish 250 total but then 6 wickets fell for only 26 runs. Who are we going to blame here ?

. Our batsmen
. Our U19 Captain
. Our Coach Ijaz Ahmad
. Our U19 selecters
. Our Domestic Cricket System

is this the future of our batting? What went wrong?

THOUGHTS !
 
LOL! Batting should be last concern, first think - Pakistan U19 - 0 Wickets for 140 runs - is this future of our bowling?
 
We put all our energy and resources into glitzy events like PSL and neglect the grassroots/junior cricket infrastructure, then act surprised at why these results keep on happening.

We need to invest in coaches at school, U16 and U19 level. Those are the crucial development years.
 
It's still a good performance. You were up against a far superior team. Pakistan would have fared better against any other team.
 
What's with the doom and gloom scenarios here?

Three bowlers in reckoning to play for Pak are U19 products.
We have an opener who is getting polished and possibly a couple of wicket keeper batsmen.

It's ok to admit sometimes when the other teams are better and focus on what we can do with what we have.

Congratulations to India, more work for Pakistan - all in all nothing beyond the expectations for now.
 
What ijaz Ahmed - who had one of the worst batting stances and always used to perform mainly against Indian "ATG" bowlers like debasis mohanty, dodda Ganesh, David Johnson among others - is Pak U19 Coach ? How is Pak entrusting their young teams in the hands of this guy. Totally understand it is Pak's internal matter but doesn't bode well for the young U19 team.
 
Guys relax.

Just because India is better doesn't mean Pakistan cricket sucks.

You are still the leader among the tier-2
 
Great things came out of this tournament for Pakistan. It would have been great if Pakistan team would of went all the way, but that wasn't the case here.

Instead of being negative look at all of the positive that came out of this event. We have 3 potential batsmen and couple of bowlers who can be groomed and brought to the national squad. Lets be patient and give Pakistani team time.
 
this is the most mediocre under19 indian team compare to past indian team in wc

Actually no - I would rather say more players from this squad will represent India. This opener, Captain Garg, the left spinner Ankolekar!?!?, Tyagi, probably the leggi & the WK as well.

U19 cricket doesn’t work that way - some of the best U19 players did a jack in career. In 2008 & 10, there were two pacers one lefti whom I can’t recall now (2008, tall), and Sandeep Singh - no where to be seen now. This is actually a better conditioned team and Tyagi looks better than anyone taking new ball in last few U19 WCs. Jaiswal will open with Saw for many years & Garg will fight with Gill for middle order spot.

In contrast, this PAK team sounds from PP to be better than 2018 team - from there Shaheen has made it for a long career, Arshad might as well ..... not sure about anyone from this team, though the hype was louder.

I see the basics of U19 players, not result - the foundation of this Indian batch looks better actually, but last team had couple of outstanding individuals.
 
Saw the Pak-Afg highlights and Hurraira looked like a good prospect. A junior Babar when he plays shots. Your other opener Haider looked good today and seems pretty calm in his personality. An U19 WC is expected at best to throw up a couple of potential internationals. So not all doom and gloom.
 
Rohail Nazir regarding question about 6 wickets for 26 Runs :faf

"When Haider and I were batting, we were going very nicely and cruising after 25 overs as we had 106 runs and were only 2 wickets down"

"but, after Haider's wicket we failed to build good partnerships in the middle overs - so that's the reason our batting line-up didnt get the big runs; If we had got good runs on the board, we could have defended them"
 
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What's with the doom and gloom scenarios here?

Three bowlers in reckoning to play for Pak are U19 products.
We have an opener who is getting polished and possibly a couple of wicket keeper batsmen.

It's ok to admit sometimes when the other teams are better and focus on what we can do with what we have.

Congratulations to India, more work for Pakistan - all in all nothing beyond the expectations for now.

Well put.
 
Saw the Pak-Afg highlights and Hurraira looked like a good prospect. A junior Babar when he plays shots. Your other opener Haider looked good today and seems pretty calm in his personality. An U19 WC is expected at best to throw up a couple of potential internationals. So not all doom and gloom.

Exactly! Obviously a win would of been icing on the cake, but look on the bright side. We have potential batsman and bowlers who can be groomed to play in the national circuit.
 
It was a decent start, Pak U19 were heading towards a okayish 250 total but then 6 wickets fell for only 26 runs. Who are we going to blame here ?

. Our batsmen
. Our U19 Captain
. Our Coach Ijaz Ahmad
. Our U19 selecters
. Our Domestic Cricket System

is this the future of our batting? What went wrong?

THOUGHTS !

You cannot blame captain to play and defend 5 tailenders with his limited ability. But others are to blame.
 
What ijaz Ahmed - who had one of the worst batting stances and always used to perform mainly against Indian "ATG" bowlers like debasis mohanty, dodda Ganesh, David Johnson among others - is Pak U19 Coach ? How is Pak entrusting their young teams in the hands of this guy. Totally understand it is Pak's internal matter but doesn't bode well for the young U19 team.

It doesn’t work that way to be honest - one of the greatest junior level coach was Greg Shippard and his boys ruled works for best part of two decades 1990s to 2010. Current Indian pace bowling coach is avatar Arun, previous one was TA Shekhar.

Ijaz is a mid-fit not because he had poor technique, rather because of personality traits - coach also needs to learn every day, communicate with players and most importantly at junior level needs patience (because these players are not seasoned pro - they often needs the words to be spelled out) and to motivate players for greater heights/perfection through hard work & dedication. Getting to do a repetitive task through encouragement till perfection is one of the toughest job - more so with youngsters. I don’t think he is that kind - I saw him few times in 1990s in Dhaka stadium and guy looked a bit aloof, reserved, moody and a bit hyper; not the best personal to coach juniors.

Dravid is a fantastic junior coach not because of his career as batsman, rather for his outstanding personality, his learning apatite & his patience. I saw a game from very close to players enclosure and there was a rain delay/break .... other players were gossiping, laughing and doing chit chat ... this guy took a cup of coffee, extracted a book from his bag and went to a corner with ear plug!!!!! I heard very good comments about our junior Coach Navid Nawaz as well ... and that guy was a reserve in SRL B team, during his best years!!!!
 
So pcb continues to pick another generation of mental midgets. The players looked like dummies while running.
Again investing and hyping up players with connections like this Shoaib Malik relative Hurraira.

Kookaburra bowl did nothing stale pitch prepared for indians, and nothing in the indian bowling to hand over 6 wickets on the platter. Whenever pakpassion tries to hype a certain match something behind is at the works so kept away from posting knowing whats going to happen.

A Pakistani team first needs to show intent and fearlessness, even one such player is enough for india as we saw in 2017 ct final.
 
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Run out picture where Rohail Nazir was involved with Qasim Akram
 
This game was one-sided and it can happen. Just recently India’s senior team lost by 10 wickets in one ODI and that didn’t mean were a bad side as they came back strongly. Here it was only one match and India outclassed Pakistan on their day.

It hurts to lose like this, but the important thing will be to find a couple of guys who can represent Pakistan later on and we have guys like Haider, Rohail and Huraira who performed well at this level.
 
So pcb continues to pick another generation of mental midgets. The players looked like dummies while running.
Again investing and hyping up players with connections like this Shoaib Malik relative Hurraira.

Kookaburra bowl did nothing stale pitch prepared for indians, and nothing in the indian bowling to hand over 6 wickets on the platter. Whenever pakpassion tries to hype a certain match something behind is at the works so kept away from posting knowing whats going to happen.

A Pakistani team first needs to show intent and fearlessness, even one such player is enough for india as we saw in 2017 ct final.

This guy just played 2 matches in his career. First match against AFG he was good but got out due to AFG's trick of mankard but todayhe played really bad shot to get out.
 
This game was one-sided and it can happen. Just recently India’s senior team lost by 10 wickets in one ODI and that didn’t mean were a bad side as they came back strongly. Here it was only one match and India outclassed Pakistan on their day.

It hurts to lose like this, but the important thing will be to find a couple of guys who can represent Pakistan later on and we have guys like Haider, Rohail and Huraira who performed well at this level.

agree India lost but It was not a world cup game. and please FGS dont bring ct again it was done and dusted in 17. we moved from there you guys seems like still enjoying that only.
 
It doesn’t work that way to be honest - one of the greatest junior level coach was Greg Shippard and his boys ruled works for best part of two decades 1990s to 2010. Current Indian pace bowling coach is avatar Arun, previous one was TA Shekhar.

Ijaz is a mid-fit not because he had poor technique, rather because of personality traits - coach also needs to learn every day, communicate with players and most importantly at junior level needs patience (because these players are not seasoned pro - they often needs the words to be spelled out) and to motivate players for greater heights/perfection through hard work & dedication. Getting to do a repetitive task through encouragement till perfection is one of the toughest job - more so with youngsters. I don’t think he is that kind - I saw him few times in 1990s in Dhaka stadium and guy looked a bit aloof, reserved, moody and a bit hyper; not the best personal to coach juniors.

Dravid is a fantastic junior coach not because of his career as batsman, rather for his outstanding personality, his learning apatite & his patience. I saw a game from very close to players enclosure and there was a rain delay/break .... other players were gossiping, laughing and doing chit chat ... this guy took a cup of coffee, extracted a book from his bag and went to a corner with ear plug!!!!! I heard very good comments about our junior Coach Navid Nawaz as well ... and that guy was a reserve in SRL B team, during his best years!!!!

I respect your views but still cannot understand when players like waqar, inzimam, Imran among others are involved - almost all of Pak top international players had talent but very few have communication skills. And Imran is the only exception - he has both. Regarding your observation of ijaz sitting alone or being reserved at one point of time, it is even more alarming that a person of such attitude is involved in Pak cricket, right one step below the international level. I just hope for the game's sake Pak's entire cricket structure falls in right hands.
 
This guy just played 2 matches in his career. First match against AFG he was good but got out due to AFG's trick of mankard but todayhe played really bad shot to get out.

Rofl another parchi in the making. Shoaib Malik mustve used his contacts in getting him the Afghanistan game. And then pcb calls it its best team
 
agree India lost but It was not a world cup game. and please FGS dont bring ct again it was done and dusted in 17. we moved from there you guys seems like still enjoying that only.

I don’t know which nerves of your I touched, but you need to calm down. I never mentioned CT, where did that come from? India was the better side today and they won comprehensively. But that does not mean Pak is a bad side. That is all what I wrote...
 
It was a decent start, Pak U19 were heading towards a okayish 250 total but then 6 wickets fell for only 26 runs. Who are we going to blame here ?

. Our batsmen
. Our U19 Captain
. Our Coach Ijaz Ahmad
. Our U19 selecters
. Our Domestic Cricket System

is this the future of our batting? What went wrong?

THOUGHTS !

What ijaz Ahmed - who had one of the worst batting stances and always used to perform mainly against Indian "ATG" bowlers like debasis mohanty, dodda Ganesh, David Johnson among others - is Pak U19 Coach ? How is Pak entrusting their young teams in the hands of this guy. Totally understand it is Pak's internal matter but doesn't bode well for the young U19 team.

LOL! Batting should be last concern, first think - Pakistan U19 - 0 Wickets for 140 runs - is this future of our bowling?

I believe great players are almost never great coaches; however, there are exception to every scenario.

You've got. Ijaz Ahmed vs none other than Rahul Dravid behind these two teams.
I think the result is pretty obvious.
 
There is so much to look forward to in these youngsters! People shouldn't be blinded by despair simply because they lost to India.
 
I believe great players are almost never great coaches; however, there are exception to every scenario.

You've got. Ijaz Ahmed vs none other than Rahul Dravid behind these two teams.
I think the result is pretty obvious.

Apparently, a guy named Paras Mahambrey is the coach of India.

Whatever we are achieving is because of administration of BCCI.
 
Actually no - I would rather say more players from this squad will represent India. This opener, Captain Garg, the left spinner Ankolekar!?!?, Tyagi, probably the leggi & the WK as well.

U19 cricket doesn’t work that way - some of the best U19 players did a jack in career. In 2008 & 10, there were two pacers one lefti whom I can’t recall now (2008, tall), and Sandeep Singh - no where to be seen now. This is actually a better conditioned team and Tyagi looks better than anyone taking new ball in last few U19 WCs. Jaiswal will open with Saw for many years & Garg will fight with Gill for middle order spot.

In contrast, this PAK team sounds from PP to be better than 2018 team - from there Shaheen has made it for a long career, Arshad might as well ..... not sure about anyone from this team, though the hype was louder.

I see the basics of U19 players, not result - the foundation of this Indian batch looks better actually, but last team had couple of outstanding individuals.

Not even haider ali?
 
Only one guy( who was out to a spectacular catch )took chances to score against good balls. Others capitalized on only the utter loose balls. Basically if Indian bowlers had kept the line and length tight Pakistan would have ended up scoring 150/3 in 50 overs.
 
Not even haider ali?

I am not sure to be honest.

At junior level, don’t look at the scores - rather look at how it’s scored. I found Haider a bit laborious to execute shots - some of the fundamental cricket shots like cut, pull, drives, dancing down the track drives against spinners should be natural to batsmen. The other opener looked effortless in his 64 in last game, but not Haider. And, very few players in history have been successful playing arias shots too many times - top batsmen do it on grass, and into gaps.

Also, another key is the gradual progression in an innings - even Bradman has 23 of his 80 innings in single digit, means every batsman will struggle at the start of their innings, then gradually gets settled, comfortable & commanding. Hurairrah looked in complete command in last game, but I didn’t see that command in Haider’s batting with time - which resulted in PAK chocking today even after a decent partnership. I haven’t seen many bottom hand players to be successful in long term - Jayasuriya may be, but batting is a top hand, side on game - Haider uses his bottom hand too much for my likings and he is often chest on playing his shots - most of those will end as airborne.

I hope he makes it, but at this current state, I think he’ll end in failures once he is exposed to international cricket.
 
There is so much to look forward to in these youngsters! People shouldn't be blinded by despair simply because they lost to India.

They are angry at themselves for all the hype and pre match talk, the kids are good and will learn from this.
 
Stale pitch with a useless kookaburra ball and Pakistan only managed 172, that too batting first :ds
 
I am not sure to be honest.

At junior level, don’t look at the scores - rather look at how it’s scored. I found Haider a bit laborious to execute shots - some of the fundamental cricket shots like cut, pull, drives, dancing down the track drives against spinners should be natural to batsmen. The other opener looked effortless in his 64 in last game, but not Haider. And, very few players in history have been successful playing arias shots too many times - top batsmen do it on grass, and into gaps.

Also, another key is the gradual progression in an innings - even Bradman has 23 of his 80 innings in single digit, means every batsman will struggle at the start of their innings, then gradually gets settled, comfortable & commanding. Hurairrah looked in complete command in last game, but I didn’t see that command in Haider’s batting with time - which resulted in PAK chocking today even after a decent partnership. I haven’t seen many bottom hand players to be successful in long term - Jayasuriya may be, but batting is a top hand, side on game - Haider uses his bottom hand too much for my likings and he is often chest on playing his shots - most of those will end as airborne.

I hope he makes it, but at this current state, I think he’ll end in failures once he is exposed to international cricket.

Fair enough. He hard working so hopefully he improves. Though I didn't see him play many ariel shots other the his dismissal.
 
U-19 Pakistan team following the footsteps of the senior team I see. Well done!

India is just too good, as usual.
 
-Do coaches in NCA know that bowlers can bowl short ball?
-Do coaches in NCA know that batsman can effectively rotate the strike?


Batsmen were exposed against short ball and dot percentage was too high. PCB should be ashamed of themselves for this, yougsters don't know the basic. Only Haris Khan looked quality
 
What ijaz Ahmed - who had one of the worst batting stances and always used to perform mainly against Indian "ATG" bowlers like debasis mohanty, dodda Ganesh, David Johnson among others - is Pak U19 Coach ? How is Pak entrusting their young teams in the hands of this guy. Totally understand it is Pak's internal matter but doesn't bode well for the young U19 team.

The PCB refused to give Younis Khan the same kind of powers Rahul Dravid has and refused to hire Saqlain because he was demanding a higher salary, they went with Ijaz as a cost cutting exercise and also because Ijaz could be easily controlled and dictated too
 
People are being way to harsh and critical of the U-19 team. The Indian U-19 and grass root cricketers coming up are literally Navy Seal level compared to our impressionable bachas. It is the Pakistani senior team which should be held to account for habitually failing against India 99% of the time because they have been given every PCB resource to deliver at their best.
 
Only one guy( who was out to a spectacular catch )took chances to score against good balls. Others capitalized on only the utter loose balls. Basically if Indian bowlers had kept the line and length tight Pakistan would have ended up scoring 150/3 in 50 overs.

By your logic if every Indian bowler give their best Pakistan will be all out under 20 in 10 overs.
Loose ball is part of game and not a single bowler in this world bowls 100% perfect of 60 balls. How many loose balls our bowlers did with no wicket taking delivery? Even Nepal would get 1-2 wickets to defend 172 runs that doesn't mean our bowlers are worst than Nepal.
 
The PCB refused to give Younis Khan the same kind of powers Rahul Dravid has and refused to hire Saqlain because he was demanding a higher salary, they went with Ijaz as a cost cutting exercise and also because Ijaz could be easily controlled and dictated too

It will improve a lot but unless we pick players with merit the result will be same.
 
They are angry at themselves for all the hype and pre match talk, the kids are good and will learn from this.

Not really!!!! If kids grow up with loose attitude (I was really impressed how Australian kids with not much experience has Never give up attitude against skilled Indian team) they can never be a fighter.
 
The system has to be at fault, don't blame the kids. After seeing the Pak U19 cricket for many years, it is quite evident junior coaches are 3rd class, are not even good to coach galli mohala teams.

The batsmen are so technically faulty. Rohail Nazir has been with PCB since U16 yet there is no flow to his batting.
 
They are young kids and I admit I only saw highlights, but some of the basics of batting were just not there. Looking for singles, calling clearly, poor footwork and the inability to place the ball.

Who is coaching these kids!
 
By your logic if every Indian bowler give their best Pakistan will be all out under 20 in 10 overs.
Loose ball is part of game and not a single bowler in this world bowls 100% perfect of 60 balls. How many loose balls our bowlers did with no wicket taking delivery? Even Nepal would get 1-2 wickets to defend 172 runs that doesn't mean our bowlers are worst than Nepal.

You completely missed the point i was making. From what i saw when the ball was at the stumps on a good length they didn't take any chance whatosever. That is why tye progress was very slow.
 
Thank you Intikhab Alam, Haroon Rasheed, Subhan Ahmed and all these PCB dinosaurs who have overseen the degradation and decline of Pakistan cricket.

How can we thank you guys enough.
 
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