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Pakistan vs Afghanistan | Match 36, World Cup | Leeds | Jun 29, 2019 | Pre-Match Discussion Thread

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Obaidd said:
We need full strength squads to beat Afg and Bang. Target at this stage should be to reach Semifinals not to win the cup.

Pragmatism >> Romanticism
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If we need full Strength squad to beat minnows then we dont drserves to be in semi finals
 
If PAK wins toss, should bowl first, target to get them all out under 170 and chase it inside 20 overs, regardless of how many wickets they lose. That’s actually better chance to make SF than expecting Indians to beat Poms. Kiwis are not winning their next 2 games, but they’ll keep the loses close to preserve their vastly superior NRR.
 
Khanusman1 said:
Yh we should deffo rest Afridi, Amir and Babar. The sight of Hasan Ali and Hasnain will bring fear amongst Afghan and Bangla batsmen 🤫
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That will be another effort of carrying brain at knees - have you ever bothered to check the points table & remaining schedules?
 
No time to be messing about. Has to be the same team, absolutely no changes...

Headingly will be baking and when the sun is out it offers very little for the fast men.

Hafeez should one hundred percent be in the team. For his bowling and the fact that he can (and has done recently) smash the bowling to smithereens.
 
MMHS said:
If PAK wins toss, should bowl first, target to get them all out under 170 and chase it inside 20 overs, regardless of how many wickets they lose. That’s actually better chance to make SF than expecting Indians to beat Poms. Kiwis are not winning their next 2 games, but they’ll keep the loses close to preserve their vastly superior NRR.
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Facing Afgan spinners in the second innings is way to risky.
Bat first and bat them out of the game, thereafter look to bowl them out cheaply.
 
We can’t be resting players when we are not guaranteed a spot in the SF. Very simple.

Why can’t we be sensible for a change? Salute to those who are thinking about the combination in the SF before actually beating Bangla and Afg.
 
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IMMY69 said:
Facing Afgan spinners in the second innings is way to risky.
Bat first and bat them out of the game, thereafter look to bowl them out cheaply.
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Not at Leeds, that was perfect recipe at London or Birmingham; but not at Leeds. Afghans won’t be blown away at Leeds, even chasing 350 (not sure if PAK can make 350 batting first).

PAK is brilliant at short games - make the target short and then go ala T20. Batting first, couple of early wickets or back to back wickets in middle over - you’ll see the fun.
 
This is a WC and you cant afford to rest your key players, especially when every remaining match is do or die.
 
Spin friendly track?

Bat first.

Score 320 plus and bowl the Afghans out for a low total.
 
one would expect the openers to finally score a century against the weakest team in the tournament. Fakhar is out of form and low in confidence. He needs to score a big one
 
Bat first, it'll be hot on Saturday, pitch should be nice and dry to bat on and then good spin later on. You don't want to be chasing agaisnt afg spinners on a dry track.
 
JellyBro said:
one would expect the openers to finally score a century against the weakest team in the tournament. Fakhar is out of form and low in confidence. He needs to score a big one
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Fakhar is NOT out of form, but getting out to bad shots. The way he climbed into a Boult cover drive yesterday showed enough evidence of that.
 
Pakistan should play Shoaib Malik in place of Immad. We should look to strengthen our batting against spin threat of Afghan and Bangladesh.
 
Pakistan need to drop Imad and bring in Asif Ali just for this match to see if he can find his touch. Hafeez and Harris can bowled the 10 overs quota. Asif should be used as an floater like Aussies and India are using Maxwell and Pandya.
 
aqeelPK said:
NRR equation is difficult to solve for us. We not only need our NRR to be +4 in next two matches but also would need NZ's -3.
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What world are you living in?


There is just roughly 2.0 difference between Pak and NZ in NRR. If NZ loses two matches and we win two matches it'll automatically come down to 0.5 difference..... so if we smash Afg we should go ahead of NZ in NRR.
 
People need to forget about NRR

The equation is simple, England and Sri Lanka loose one more game each and we win our next two

That is all we need
 
Nil Dhumrojal said:
Don't see them winning next two games
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Hahaha ok we'll see.


Saw your vote in poll where you voted for New Zealand to win the match yesterday rofl.

Afghanistan would fight hard, looking forward to Zazai and Mujeeb's display but Pakistan now is a runaway train whoever comes in its way would have to collide with some force. Only Australia has done that before no other team can.
 
Forget about NRR just go out there be focused play your best game and execute the plans no show off req.
 
Alamgeer said:
Pakistan should play Shoaib Malik in place of Immad. We should look to strengthen our batting against spin threat of Afghan and Bangladesh.
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Including Malik only strengthens the opposition's chance of winning.
 
Eng made 351 against us on this ground in the odi series. We should aim for something similar.
 
If NZ losses both matches, their NRR still will be quite good. This is why Pakistan must smash Afghanistan in to oblivion. Instead of hoping for India to bail us out. They are due to loss some game, could be against England.

Ideal scenario is ENG losing against NZ. And Sri Lanka losing 1 game out of 3.
 
Pakistan need to bat first under any circumstances. Cannot afford to bowl first.
 
Pakistan Will lose to Afghans, for sure ! Rashid khan will take fifer.
 
Syed1 said:
What world are you living in?


There is just roughly 2.0 difference between Pak and NZ in NRR. If NZ loses two matches and we win two matches it'll automatically come down to 0.5 difference..... so if we smash Afg we should go ahead of NZ in NRR.
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2.0 difference in context of roughly 350-400 overs which equates to 700-800 runs in 4 matches (2 pak, 2 NZ).
 
Shaan said:
Pakistan Will lose to Afghans, for sure ! Rashid khan will take fifer.
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“Hum toh doobay hain sanam, tujhe bhi leke doobenge [We have already drowned, darling, but we’ll take you down with us]”
 
The overconfidence of Pakistanis after winning 2 games is staggering!

Also, while we must do everything to beat Afghanistan and achieve a good NRR, I find this superiority attitude of Pakistanis in bad taste. Even if individual Afghanistan players have made bold claims, Pakistan must keep their perspective.

I find this attitude mostly reserved for Afghanistan and BD.

Against India, it is all brotherhood and respect, even in war. The hypocrisy.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
The overconfidence of Pakistanis after winning 2 games is staggering!

Also, while we must do everything to beat Afghanistan and achieve a good NRR, I find this superiority attitude of Pakistanis in bad taste. Even if individual Afghanistan players have made bold claims, Pakistan must keep their perspective.

I find this attitude mostly reserved for Afghanistan and BD.

Against India, it is all brotherhood and respect, even in war. The hypocrisy.
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They were 2 knockout games.
People on this forum weren't expecting them to win even 1 of those two matches let alone both.
 
Haris & Baba better be on the ball again, can see mujeeb reducing pak to 20/2
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
People need to forget about NRR

The equation is simple, England and Sri Lanka loose one more game each and we win our next two

That is all we need
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Question is: India is going to play hard against ENG? - I would pay attention to little details in that match.

From Business point of view it makes sense for ENG to qualify. Bad toss decision, couple of slip ups here and there can make big difference.

In current form India is favorite to win, specially if pitch assist spin (which may not be the case, since it’s going to be fresh pitch), but still there will be some assistance in second innings. It has to be bat first wicket, based on what we can see, toss would be vital, question is would it matter 😉😉

I still have not find any good explanation why we bowl first against AUS and IND. If they cannot read pitches, well what they are paid for??
 
yasir said:
Question is: India is going to play hard against ENG? - I would pay attention to little details in that match.

From Business point of view it makes sense for ENG to qualify. Bad toss decision, couple of slip ups here and there can make big difference.

In current form India is favorite to win, specially if pitch assist spin (which may not be the case, since it’s going to be fresh pitch), but still there will be some assistance in second innings. It has to be bat first wicket, based on what we can see, toss would be vital, question is would it matter ����

I still have not find any good explanation why we bowl first against AUS and IND. If they cannot read pitches, well what they are paid for??
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NZ also badly read the pitch against us, although theirs was a rare error while its a constant problem for us. Anyway the main problem with us wasn't the pitch but the folding under pressure especially if we lost a quick wicket or two upfront with Malik Saheb coming in at 5, Haris has somewhat resolved that issue for now but he needs to bat at 4 after the WC.
 
yasir said:
Question is: India is going to play hard against ENG? - I would pay attention to little details in that match.

From Business point of view it makes sense for ENG to qualify. Bad toss decision, couple of slip ups here and there can make big difference.

In current form India is favorite to win, specially if pitch assist spin (which may not be the case, since it’s going to be fresh pitch), but still there will be some assistance in second innings. It has to be bat first wicket, based on what we can see, toss would be vital, question is would it matter 😉😉

I still have not find any good explanation why we bowl first against AUS and IND. If they cannot read pitches, well what they are paid for??
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India is not going to play Hard, am sorry that ‘Hard’ playing India hasn't done since 2011WC , we are going to routinely play and if we win we win if not meh.. Even Kohli somehow is playing thag same
Method game, thats why Test cricket is more interesting to me as an Indian fan nowadays, coz of monotonous playing, which is great for consistency but winning championship not sure..
 
Can't go with 4 pacers (i.e. bring in Hasnain) because that will negatively affect the over rate and could potentially get Sarfaraz as captain banned later. In fact, one of the reasons that Williamson bowled so many OB overs himself vs Pakistan is to speed up his over rate as he was already fined in the previous NZ match.

Imad Wasim is a multi-dimensional player. He can bowl (his bowling average is 4.95 this WC, the best in the team), bat (batting average in this WC is 35.00, 3rd highest after B. Azam and H. Sohail), field and has great intensity. Moreover, apparently, he is the best in the team to get the ball in shape so that it can reverse swing in the end overs.

Asif Ali? Can't field (dropped am easy catch), can't bowl and bats well once in a blue moon (batting average in this WC is 9.50).
 
Shah said:
Can't go with 4 pacers (i.e. bring in Hasnain) because that will negatively affect the over rate and could potentially get Sarfaraz as captain banned later. In fact, one of the reasons that Williamson bowled so many OB overs himself vs Pakistan is to speed up his over rate as he was already fined in the previous NZ match.

Imad Wasim is a multi-dimensional player. He can bowl (his bowling average is 4.95 this WC, the best in the team), bat (batting average in this WC is 35.00, 3rd highest after B. Azam and H. Sohail), field and has great intensity. Moreover, apparently, he is the best in the team to get the ball in shape so that it can reverse swing in the end overs.

Asif Ali? Can't field (dropped am easy catch), can't bowl and bats well once in a blue moon (batting average in this WC is 9.50).
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This kind of mentality has carried 4 Rellu Kattas for 4 years. These harmless cricketers are exactly what you don’t want to invest in. Immad could not bowl 5 overs on rank turner, nobody seems to have issue with it, some people are even talking about making him next Captain :facepalm:

Pakistan did not invest in frontline spinner for 4 years, where as India is hot favorite because of not batsmen, not seamers but two frontline spinners. We screwed up big time on this, nobody takes responsibility.

Forget about responsibilities, these 4 Rellu Kattas are Captain of 4 PSL TEAMS, can things be more ****ed up than that :facepalm:
 
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C'mon Pakistan!!! Lets smash the minnows & records.
 
Shah said:
Can't go with 4 pacers (i.e. bring in Hasnain) because that will negatively affect the over rate and could potentially get Sarfaraz as captain banned later. In fact, one of the reasons that Williamson bowled so many OB overs himself vs Pakistan is to speed up his over rate as he was already fined in the previous NZ match.

Imad Wasim is a multi-dimensional player. He can bowl (his bowling average is 4.95 this WC, the best in the team), bat (batting average in this WC is 35.00, 3rd highest after B. Azam and H. Sohail), field and has great intensity. Moreover, apparently, he is the best in the team to get the ball in shape so that it can reverse swing in the end overs.

Asif Ali? Can't field (dropped am easy catch), can't bowl and bats well once in a blue moon (batting average in this WC is 9.50).
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Hafeez bowled more overs than imad wasim we need to try husnian so we get the right combination if the over rate is slow hafeez can bowl ... best chance to play the quicky
 
Syed1 said:
Need to beat them by 200 runs to remove all doubts regarding NRR.
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even if we beat them by 200, still have to beat BANG by 150 and then hope NZ get thrashed by 90 runs in each of their games. Highly highly improbable !

Realistically, NRR is out of equation after that disastrous match against WI. Script is simple, just win the match and hope for the best. :inzi2
 
dani rana said:
Hafeez bowled more overs than imad wasim we need to try husnian so we get the right combination if the over rate is slow hafeez can bowl ... best chance to play the quicky
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Hafeez is trash on most days. Imad is 2x as good in bowling.
 
Some of the comments here are highly disappointing, when will we get over Malik really? the guy cannot buy a single run. Amir & Wahab are better batsmen than him at this stage. And his control with the ball is worse, he should focus on driving Uber for now as his career with Pakistan is well and truly over.

Another stupid comparison with Asif vs Imad. I've never been a fan of Asif, there is no method to his slogging. Imad is actually a much better bat who assures 20 of 15 plus he is handy with the ball. Hasnt been in good bowling form yes but he can still chip in with 4-5 overs.

Imad isnt a great option but with Malik and Asif on the bench, we dont have anything better anyway. He hasnt faltered with the bat too so I dont see why he should be dropped for not bowling more overs against NZ. Just stick with the combination, only swap Hafeez & Haris in the batting order.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
The overconfidence of Pakistanis after winning 2 games is staggering!

Also, while we must do everything to beat Afghanistan and achieve a good NRR, I find this superiority attitude of Pakistanis in bad taste. Even if individual Afghanistan players have made bold claims, Pakistan must keep their perspective.

I find this attitude mostly reserved for Afghanistan and BD.

Against India, it is all brotherhood and respect, even in war. The hypocrisy.
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The insecurities of Pakistanis like you is even more staggering.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself and learn to appreciate the wins. If you think you have the right to criticize this team like you own them, in their bad times, then learn to man up and appreciate their good efforts too.

Bangladesh and Afghanistan fans have been equally disrespectful to this Pakistan team throughout this World Cup.
 
I know someone was saying we need Wahab for the death overs but we need more from him than just death bowling. I'd be tempted to bring Hasan back and give Wahab a rest, who knows maybe sitting out a couple of games might stoke him up to get back to his best.
 
Fact for some fans
"Pakistan has never won easily against Afghanistan in an odi since their 1st odi"
Pakistan always find a way to make tough match against easy opponents which is appalling
 
Play the same team with one exception, if Amir or Wahab needs a rest than give one of them off just for this game and bring on Hasnain. No other changes needed or required.
 
Afghanistan hv regressed since the Asia Cup. Especially their batting has been **** poor in this WC. Pak will easily beat them and also enhance their NRR.
 
Should keep the same team and continue with the winning combination for a change, no need of giving rest to any player when one lose can take us out of the WC. Anyway, I think our players have already received enough days of rest at 2 different times during the WC itself, 1st of 10 days between England and Australia game, then 7 days between India and South Africa game.
 
I expect Pakistan to win this comfortably. It will be a huge upset if AFG wins.

Pakistan only has to take care of Rashid. Rest should be easy.
 
Usman Chadda said:
The insecurities of Pakistanis like you is even more staggering.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself and learn to appreciate the wins. If you think you have the right to criticize this team like you own them, in their bad times, then learn to man up and appreciate their good efforts too.

Bangladesh and Afghanistan fans have been equally disrespectful to this Pakistan team throughout this World Cup.
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Ah missed the point entirely did you? Nothing to see here, let's move on.
 
last_knight said:
Asif must play against Afg (preferably against BD too) in an attempt to boost NRR. Needs to catch up with NZ NRR.
2 loses for NZ may bring their NRR down to +.4/+.3. To be ahead of it PCT needs two wins with overall margin of 150 or with 25 overs spared. Rough estimates.
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Very unlikely. Best to concentrate on winning. I wouldn't be trying to smash Nabi and Rashid for quick runs. They can try that at their own peril. The best cricketers in the world have tried and failed smashing those two, especially Rashid in the IPL.
 
Afghanistan should be decimated in this match.They shouldn't have been playing in this world cup they don't deserve it.They don't have batsmen and fast bowlers and their fielding is awful. I hope pakistan make them cry.
 
Invincible Gujjar said:
Afghanistan should be decimated in this match.They shouldn't have been playing in this world cup they don't deserve it.They don't have batsmen and fast bowlers and their fielding is awful. I hope pakistan make them cry.
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Horrible post. I for one am really proud how well Afghanistan have improved in the last 5-6 years, it's great for cricket.
 
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