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Pakistan vs India | Under-19 World Cup Semi-Final | Christchurch | Jan 30, 2018 | Pre-Match Thread

Can Pakistan defeat India in the Semi-Final of the ICC U19 CWC?

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The two sides face each other in youth ODI's after 4 years.It's going to be India's batting against Pakistan's bowling but this time around India also have a wonderful pace attack
 
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In a match without a true stand-out player, India will be mightily pleased with a comprehensive team performance that will see them surge into a semi-final match-up against Pakistan with confidence.

Shubman Gill (86), Abhishek Sharma (50) and Prithvi Shaw (40) helped India build a 265-strong total after winning the toss and electing to bat on a pitch that yielded 20 wickets for just 223 runs in Australia's thrilling victory over England just a few days ago.

Interestingly, Bangladesh captain Saif Hassan said he would have chosen to bowl - not due to the conditions, but due to his team's preference to chase.

After losing Manjot Kalra early, India steadied as Shaw and Gill built a formidable partnership. This would end after 86 runs however when the captain was beaten by a peach of a delivery from Qazi Onik that cut away to take the off stump. Gill went on with the job, blasting nine boundaries among his innings of 86 before he departed with 14 overs to go. This triggered a mini collapse for India who had looked well on target for a score in excess of 300.

Riyan Parag (15), Kamlesh Nagarkoti (5), Anukul Roy (2), Shivam Mavi (5), Sharma (50) and Shiva Singh (3) all departed for just 50 runs toward the India team total, leaving them with a solid but somewhat underwhelming 265 considering the start they had.

Onik was the pick of the Bangladesh bowlers taking 3/48 from his 10 overs and also proved his value in the field with a superb direct hit that sent Roy back to the pavilion.

The Bangladesh chase started steadily - but slowly - with Naim Sheikh the first to go at 23/1 in the ninth over.

Pinak Ghosh then looked to build a partnership with his captain Hassan, but the pair were dismissed by Roy and Nagarkoti respectively in a two-over span and when Aminul Islam was run out just moments later, the writing was on the wall for the Tigers, who needed upward of seven per over at that stage.

Nagarkoti continued his form with the ball taking 3/18 from 7.1 overs and while the wickets weren't there for Ishan Porel, he carded five incredibly economical overs for just eight runs which applied immense pressure on Bangladesh, ultimately forcing the batsmen to open up and take more risks against the bowler at the other end.

After impressing with the bat, Sharma stepped up and claimed the wickets of Hossain and Onik, as well as taking a pair of catches.

Next up for India is Pakistan, who they will play at Hagley Oval in Christchurch on Tuesday 30 January while Australia meets Afghanistan in the other semi-final, also at Hagley Oval, the day prior.
 
India looking very strong - will take some hard-work to stop them.
 
Pakistan's batting is just too weak, even if we somehow manage to keep them at a reasonable score I don't see us making many runs. Would be an upset if we win the game.
 
Haripotter said:
Good luck to Zaid Allam while facing 145KMPH from mavi n nagarkoti :D
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He must be facing likes of Shaheen and Iqbal in the nets every other day. Handling pace should not be that much of a worry. It is about strong nerves and playing well under pressure.
 
Shaheen will trouble them but our batting is a big worry. I doubt we can chase 200.
 
India is just too strong it would be no less than miracle for pakistan to stop em .
they shouldnt select spinners only the skipper hassan khan will do bring on all pace attack against Indians and obviously win toss bat first defending total is the only way Pak can make match out of it .
 
It's a sf, anything can happens. Both teams are strong. I feel it is 60-40 towards India. But they have to watchful of SSA
 
It's gonna be hard for us. Our batting has been very weak in this tournament. I think batting first and giving our bowlers something to defend would be the better thing to do should we win the toss.
 
Don't we have dravid as the coach?

Who's the coach for Pakistan?

That can play pivotal role in junior league.
 
Will be a good contest.Indian batsmen will be tested for sure.India hasn't faced a decent pace attack yet in the tournament so Pak can surprise them but overall India start as strong favorites for this clash.Pak will hope that Zaid will get them of to a flier and most importantly they have to bat first and drop that useless leggie.Intresting battle would be Gill vs Shaheen!!!
 
^ Agreed . Pakistan must drop that leg spinner . Dont know why he keeps getting picked when even the reserve pacers are pretty good.
 
Pakistan will prefer to bat second, I think, for the wrong reason. They want to negate India’s bowling by giving it nothing to defend
 
Mohammad Zaid Alam, Mohammad Taha and Saad Khan are yet to fire in this tournament. I hope they hit the form in this important game. And if they do we have a chance of winning it. Our bowling is good and has got the ability to restrict Ind batting.
 
Voted yes in the poll, being that I'm an optimistic Pakistan fan :)

In all reality, Pakistan needs to do the following:

-Bat first, and hopefully both our openers click (Need Zaid Alam to go big, would be great for his future as well).

-Drop the leggie, I don't remember seeing a single ball being bowled by him where he landed it perfectly and India will punish him for this (can single-handedly lose the match for us). Go in with a full pace attack. Whatever happened to opening fast bowler who played for us in the Asia cup U19?

For Indian fans, haven't really followed the pacers that much, have seen a few videos here and there, do the pace bowlers actually move the ball as well?
 
That leggie definitely has some major connections.... such gully mohallah level bowler. Never seen a spinner that can't spin it or even land it in the right spot.
 
Syed1 said:
That leggie definitely has some major connections.... such gully mohallah level bowler. Never seen a spinner that can't spin it or even land it in the right spot.
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From just looking at him he doesn't seem like a guy who would.

But looks can be deceiving :hafeez2
 
hisham_ashraf said:
Will be a good contest.Indian batsmen will be tested for sure.India hasn't faced a decent pace attack yet in the tournament so Pak can surprise them but overall India start as strong favorites for this clash.Pak will hope that Zaid will get them of to a flier and most importantly they have to bat first and drop that useless leggie.Intresting battle would be Gill vs Shaheen!!!
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Who is best out of Pakistan batsmen?
 
Pakistan have to play out of their skins to make a match out of it
 
the team had good tour. they batted well against pace. they bowl well. the problem what i see thair batting against spin. that is why we lost against afg.
 
I hope shaw improve his captaincy from last match and use sharma as main weapon, no need to play both shiva and anukul. India looked like one batsman short in last match. Get one more batsman to counter pakistan bowling.
 
mmkextreme_1 said:
Voted yes in the poll, being that I'm an optimistic Pakistan fan :)

In all reality, Pakistan needs to do the following:

-Bat first, and hopefully both our openers click (Need Zaid Alam to go big, would be great for his future as well).

-Drop the leggie, I don't remember seeing a single ball being bowled by him where he landed it perfectly and India will punish him for this (can single-handedly lose the match for us). Go in with a full pace attack. Whatever happened to opening fast bowler who played for us in the Asia cup U19?

For Indian fans, haven't really followed the pacers that much, have seen a few videos here and there, do the pace bowlers actually move the ball as well?
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Both Nagarkoti and Mavi were seaming at high pace against Aus. Did not bowl well against BD.

One thing I observed is that they are not gun barrel straight bowlers. Both have good Yorkers too.
 
Does Pakistan batting have the strength to stand up?
 
My fluke-o-meter is predicting a fluke win for hindustan but my fluke senses are tingling towards Pakistan. I think 65-35 towards hindustan.
 
MenInG said:
Does Pakistan batting have the strength to stand up?
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Both batting units may struggle due to the quality of each other’s bowling units. Both have 2 pacers who can bowl over 140k with ease.

220 will be a match winning total.
 
Indians are strong favourites. But Pakistan bowling will be the toughest challenge they will face in this competition (apart from Afghan U24s).

IMO it will go down to IND bowling vs PAK Batting.
 
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I don't know much about these players. Shaw/Gill/Nagarkoti are some of the ones i know. Impressed with Gill. Pakistan seems to have kept all the oppositions to low score. So i think their bowling is their strong suit. If Pak can neutralzie India's batting they will have viable chance. Law of average may catch upto Gill
 
DeadBall said:
We need a CT final type clicking of batting to win.
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Zaid Alam to do a Fakhar Zaman :yk

Pakistani batting is a major worry though seriously. Ammad Alam is a highly rated player but hasn't really turned up all tournament.

Only hope is that the IPL auction has got to these Indian players heads and they underperform. Otherwise they are a much stronger outfit.
 
We must have our A game and some luck to go with it to win this one !!!!! Their fast bowler, Nagerkoti, is going to be handful, and given their coach, Dravid, fasten seat belts guys !!!!
 
Boi said:
Zaid Alam to do a Fakhar Zaman :yk

Pakistani batting is a major worry though seriously. Ammad Alam is a highly rated player but hasn't really turned up all tournament.

Only hope is that the IPL auction has got to these Indian players heads and they underperform. Otherwise they are a much stronger outfit.
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Someone has to do a Azhar Ali, Imad and Hafeez as well. We have many who can replicate Shoaib and Babar.
 
Hope Porel returns to full tilt. If he is still below 100% then better to play with left arm medium of Arshdeep.
 
Hammad Azam helped Pakistan get over the line once.Anwar Ali was the main destroyer in another world T20. I expect some individual to step up . May be pakistan or India.
 
India appears much stronger on paper in all the three departments.But we all know that in Ind-Pak matches, that doesnt matter.Best bet for Pakistan is to bat first and then bowl all guns blazing.
 
Dingolfy said:
India appears much stronger on paper in all the three departments.But we all know that in Ind-Pak matches, that doesnt matter.Best bet for Pakistan is to bat first and then bowl all guns blazing.
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Yes, its like a derby. Form goes out the window and pressure takes over. If Pakistan can start well with the bat, I back them to beat India.
 
Gilliyaan orani hain inki.... make them cry like their senior team on June 18. No mercy.
 
I think Pakistanis are favourites to win.

India's batting has looked good because they have hardly been challenged so far. It's mainly Gill, Shaw, and Sharma down the order. Kalra doesn't move his feet at all while Desai and Parag have limited skills. Himanshu Rana isn't in good nick but may play ahead of Parag in the SF. Gill, Shaw, Kalra, and Sharma have done majority of the scoring for India with at least 3 of the 4 firing in every game. The rest faltered on the one occasion they had the opportunity to show up as they have in the past. Pakistan's Zaryab, Nazir, Saad, and Taha are all more than decent batsmen (although not in the same bracket as the Indian top 3 technique-wise). I have't liked Zaid Alam, but I understand he can be very dangerous on his day. India is better in the batting department but not by a big margin. Law of averages also goes against the Indian's in the next game.

Pakistan's bowling is definitely far far better than India's. Afridi, Musa, and Iqbal are much better seam bowlers than Nagarkoti, Mavi, and Porel (the first two amongst the latter lot can match or even better the Pakistanis in terms of pace but they're not as skilful overall comparatively). Pakistani spinners have also exhibited better control compared to their Indian counterparts and have looked more threatening. Suleman Shafqat doesn't seem to be popular in Pakistan from what I've read on this forum but for me he is a very attacking bowler. Hasan Khan is good and economical. India's Anukul Roy is amongst the leading wicket-takers so far but bowls poorly to batters who attack him and have the slightest success. Shiva Singh isn't bowling well at all and Abhishek Sharma is a limited bowler albeit clever. Pakistan is way ahead in this department.

India's fielding is marginally better in comparison.

So..... Pakistan 60 - India 40
 
Syed1 said:
Gilliyaan orani hain inki.... make them cry like their senior team on June 18. No mercy.
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You were much more balanced before. You seem to be going much more in the pro green glass tinted way as Mamoon going in the opposite direction as of late.
 
I cant wait for the game, 2 goods with the Ind marginally the better. Both bowlings are strong with no real weak links although the PK leg spinner just bowls top spinners. In the batting Ind have 2 excellent players in Shaw and Gill and some other decent players, PK on the other hand have Alam at the top of the order and he has real talent but sadly he is the only one.
 
Sean143 said:
The two sides face each other in youth ODI's after 4 years.It's going to be India's batting against Pakistan's bowling but this time around India also have a wonderful pace attack
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Just need inspiration from CT Final.
 
troodon said:
Both batting units may struggle due to the quality of each other’s bowling units. Both have 2 pacers who can bowl over 140k with ease.

220 will be a match winning total.
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Only shaheen can clock 140k for Pakistan
 
Syed1 said:
You obviously haven't seen any matches.... All three Pakistani pacers clocked over 140k in the last match.
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I watched the last match

Musa and Arshad are around 130-135 and 133-137 normally with 1/2 balls out of 60 in 140k. I dont call this clocking 140

Even Shaheen is not consistently 140k, he is 135-140 with effort ball in the 140s
 
hur rizvi said:
I watched the last match

Musa and Arshad are around 130-135 and 133-137 normally with 1/2 balls out of 60 in 140k. I dont call this clocking 140

Even Shaheen is not consistently 140k, he is 135-140 with effort ball in the 140s
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Yeah, Pakistani pacmen are average around 135 with the odd ball going to 140
 
I hope its a good match.. some of the players in this match will be playing international cricket for their respective nations in 3-5 years. I hope they build a mouth-watering rivalry starting from this match.
 
Pete Rose said:
Yeah, Pakistani pacmen are average around 135 with the odd ball going to 140
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Yeah and its not shabby at all. I remember Ehsan Adil was 125-130 in U19s, he bowls 135-140kph now

So all these bowlers have potential.

Nagarkoti though is a freak, it's very rare to clock 149 at 18
 
From what I can tell, Rohail Nazir, Ammad Alam, and Arshan Iqbal will pull off something special. Even though these aren't exactly our "star" players, but for some strange reason I feel India will concentrate a bit too much on Shaheen and the others. The batting of India u19 hasn't been tested (much like back in the CT), so our bowlers should try and get them under pressure. The batsmen should just swing for the trees and play absolutely free cricket. IN SHA ALLAH, the Green Team will come up on top.
 
Bewal Express said:
I cant wait for the game, 2 goods with the Ind marginally the better. Both bowlings are strong with no real weak links although the PK leg spinner just bowls top spinners. In the batting Ind have 2 excellent players in Shaw and Gill and some other decent players, PK on the other hand have Alam at the top of the order and he has real talent but sadly he is the only one.
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Ammad Alam is a real talent but unfortunately he hasn't got going in the tournament just yet, if he shows up then SF is ours to lose.
 
BakuGM said:
Ammad Alam is a real talent but unfortunately he hasn't got going in the tournament just yet, if he shows up then SF is ours to lose.
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Really? He didn't seem like some sort of special talent. Sure he was solid and had good defense, but didn't seem to have any flair or attacking shots.



Compare this side to our previous u19 side which had the likes of Zeeshan Malik, Shadab Khan, Saif Badar etc as dynamic bats in the top order.
 
Syed1 said:
Really? He didn't seem like some sort of special talent. Sure he was solid and had good defense, but didn't seem to have any flair or attacking shots.



Compare this side to our previous u19 side which had the likes of Zeeshan Malik, Shadab Khan, Saif Badar etc as dynamic bats in the top order.
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He is very well regarded and is believed to be a star in the making
 
Syed1 said:
Really? He didn't seem like some sort of special talent. Sure he was solid and had good defense, but didn't seem to have any flair or attacking shots.



Compare this side to our previous u19 side which had the likes of Zeeshan Malik, Shadab Khan, Saif Badar etc as dynamic bats in the top order.
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Yes real talents that could not even get Pakistan to top 4 in last WC that was in Asia.
 
Railu Katta said:
My fluke-o-meter is predicting a Pakistan win bhai log. It changed since ysterday
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You debuted 2 years ago but never posted and now all of a sudden you are posting in every thread... I guess its a certain poster's harping about fluke this and fluke that woke you up.
 
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