Pakistan vs South Africa | 2nd Test | Lahore | 9/10/07 | Day 2

[Hash]

Its sad we cannot take home turf advantage like Inida and SL. India has always dominated teams like England, SA and New Zeland (Australia to some extent) with Kumble and Hrabhajan. Somehow, we lack that class. Flat tracks where we cannot get Kallis out and are Team is not even getting 300. 140 for 4 today after a 90/0 start.

Only lost one test in our last 11 at home

Which is a better record than India and Sri Lanka.

 

[Monsee]

How did Inzi play in general...did he looked out of touch or bothered by the SA bowlers; does it look like he can bat for a while and help save our skin?

 

[Hash]

Inzi looked like Inzi! You can never tell with him!

Hit one absolute beauty of a shot though.

 

[dinakar]

Only lost one test in our last 11 at home

Which is a better record than India and Sri Lanka.

you're right.. our performance at home is no more the same as it used to be. in the recent years we lost one test each to Pakistan and England and a couple to Australia. but the good thing is we started winning abroad. probably these two doesn't go together , ofcourse except Aussies!!

coming back to the match. Pakistan is still in content to reach SA total and then it is anybody's game!!

 

[Boi]

Inzi looked like Inzi! You can never tell with him!

Hit one absolute beauty of a shot though.

yes with inzi at the crease we always have a hope ofmputting a good lead up

 

[Amir]

Stage is set for Inzi.

Cometh the hour, Cometh the Biryani Eating Champion?

 

[OZGOD]

Inzamam has been provided with a final chance to rage against the dying of his light.

 

[Hash]

In all probability he will have another chance in the 2nd innings......unless the saffies completely capitulate or go utterly negative and play for the draw.

 

[Safar55]

i've been waiting a very long time for this team to fulfill all our hopes in between days of test matches. When it comes down to it, they havn't really dominated a day for ages.

I think i'll resign myself to another day of fallen hopes.
PREDICTION: Inzi goes on to 19 and then falls. Misbah makes 43 and plays a stupid shot- gets out and malik and tail left to reach 300.

At least by going into the next day my hopes won't be shattered.

 

[filosofee]

Inzamam has been provided with a final chance to rage against the dying of his light.

He's not rage-ful though I read he has a hand gesture (Hair-offence) that 'rocks'!

 

[filosofee]

140 for 4? Hmmm, what happened to Pakistan's top order? Mini collapse, good bowling from SA.

 

[iZeeshan]

Disappointed. We had an amazing start, and those 4 wickets look really bad. Only Inzi, Misbah, and Malik left. We're in a pretty bad position with only 140 on the board.

 

[Hash]

140 for 4? Hmmm, what happened to Pakistan's top order? Mini collapse, good bowling from SA.

openers put on 90

Then both fell in quick succession (predictable)

Yousuf was wrongly given out

and Younis played a poor shot

 

[Oxy]

How did Inzi play in general...did he looked out of touch or bothered by the SA bowlers; does it look like he can bat for a while and help save our skin?

Apart from 1 bit of luck when he was an inch from playing onto his stumps - he looked to have all the time in the world.

 

[hasbeen]

who was the umpire who gave yousuf out? what was so wrong about the decisions? details people!!!

 

[swaziboy]

We really need to bat for most of tomorrow to stand a decent chance of winning. Get a lead of 50-70. And then We need to bowl out of our skins with only 4 front line bowlers. We need to do that to save the series, and that's what matters.

To do the above, we need ul-haq, both - little (relitively speaking) and large to score close to hundred and we need Malik to score big as well - if the tail wags, all the better. At a run rate of about 3.8 - batting for 70 overs would bring us to a total of about 400. With a little spurt at the end we could get 420 in 70 odd overs. Then we would need to bowl around 10 overs to SA before light. And hopefully snatch a wicket or 2.

If we can't do that, I think the series has gone. If we Pick a team with only 4 front line bowlers, and make a score of less than 400 - it shows how bad our batting line up is and also our lack of world class front line bowlers.

Wishful thinking dont you think....

 

[shan2026]

We need to have lead of at least 100 runs which mean another 317 runs, look impossible at the moment.

 

[Hash]

We don't need a lead

a lead would be great but it is not essential.

Just need to get that deficit down to less than 100 and bowl them out for 200 in the second innings and then Inzi can take us to a famous victory.

 

[Imy]

Hash we need a lead to win, because we need to bat for a day and a half, our bowlers can not bowl on day 3 they are too tired. Maliks Captaincy has been awful, He has over used his strike bowlers and he has been defensive, I know its his seccond match but he ran out of ideas yesterday and let is drag along.

For our batters we need a Psychologist as they do not have the mental capabilities to concentrate, these guys are not mentally strong. I shudder to thing what will happen when we play India and Australia if we cant play spin against a very raw spinner and pace against medium pacers these South Africans are not fast .

The Selectors also need a kick in the bum if you play two spinners then create a raging turner not a good pitch. Pakistan truly deserve to be only above west indies if they loose this series, I have never said this but our team is Pathetic. We may do well in 20/20 but when it comes to testor even one dayers we are just not good enough.

 

[PlanetPakistan]

openers put on 90

Then both fell in quick succession (predictable)

Yousuf was wrongly given out

and Younis played a poor shot

Just watched Kamran/Butt partnership...i didn't think the PAK batsmen would repeat the same mistake.

All is not lost though as Hash said we don't NEED a lead..i am Asif and Kaneria will have better luck in the next innings.

 

[Hash]

Hash we need a lead to win, because we need to bat for a day and a half, our bowlers can not bowl on day 3 they are too tired. Maliks Captaincy has been awful, He has over used his strike bowlers and he has been defensive, I know its his seccond match but he ran out of ideas yesterday and let is drag along.

We don't NEED a lead to win. A lead would be very helpful, but we are more than capable of winning without a lead. We have won with 1st innings deficits of up to 193...so if we can get that SA lead down to below 100, I will be satisfied and we will still be in with a shout.

As for Malik's captaincy....he did over use Asif and under use Rehman, but being in only his 2nd Test he still wasn't thinking properly. The job looks very easy from our couch or computer chair but when you go ut on to the pitch it is very different. He will learn and in the meantime people like Younis need to offer him some tips. And if Asif or whoever is getting tired they shouldn't just keep bowling....they should tell Malik, 'listen shoaib bhai, I'm feeling a bit tired I'll bowl if you want me to but I'd quite like a break for half hour or so' and Malik would get the hint and take him off.

For our batters we need a Psychologist as they do not have the mental capabilities to concentrate, these guys are not mentally strong. I shudder to thing what will happen when we play India and Australia if we cant play spin against a very raw spinner and pace against medium pacers these South Africans are not fast .

Pace isn't a problem. None of our players are scared of pace and none of them have been beaten by pace in this series. We traditionally struggle against left arm spinners and neither India nor Australia have one.

The Selectors also need a kick in the bum if you play two spinners then create a raging turner not a good pitch. Pakistan truly deserve to be only above west indies if they loose this series, I have never said this but our team is Pathetic. We may do well in 20/20 but when it comes to testor even one dayers we are just not good enough.

Ridiculous statement from you at the end. We have won 6, drawn 4 and lost 1 of our last 11 tests at home. One poor series under a new captain, a new coach and with an inexperienced side is not something to slit wrists about. It is something to look back on and learn and then take the lessons into the next series.

Everyone should learn from this series......Malik as a cuptaan, our bowlers, our batsman and also our selectors.

 

[Gunner786]

why are people still relying on asif so much?
he wont get any wickets in the next innings.
SA batsmen are playing our pacers with ease and the only person who can win us this match is danish.
only if we get a lead of say 150-200 though

 

[Hash]

why are people still relying on asif so much?
he wont get any wickets in the next innings.
SA batsmen are playing our pacers with ease and the only person who can win us this match is danish.
only if we get a lead of say 150-200 though

you obviously have not seen any of the match if you think they have been playing Asif with ease

 

[Gunner786]

you obviously have not seen any of the match if you think they have been playing Asif with ease

how many wickets has asif taken in this series?

 

[Hash]

how many wickets has asif taken in this series?

I am not talking about wickets.....I am talking about your comment that the south africans have been playing him with ease. It only proves you are one of those computer chair experts who develops all his opinions by following games on cricinfo

 

[W63L35]

We don't NEED a lead to win. A lead would be very helpful, but we are more than capable of winning without a lead. We have won with 1st innings deficits of up to 193...so if we can get that SA lead down to below 100, I will be satisfied and we will still be in with a shout.

Nope....any lead will lead to a draw or win for Safies.

Pace isn't a problem. None of our players are scared of pace and none of them have been beaten by pace in this series. We traditionally struggle against left arm spinners and neither India nor Australia have one.

Being not able to play and being scared is two different things.

Everyone should learn from this series......Malik as a cuptaan, our bowlers, our batsman and also our selectors.

I am sure, cuptaan, bowlers and batsmen (well, they may)......will eventually learn.....but expecting selectors to learn......is asking for stars!!!

 

[Hash]

Nope....any lead will lead to a draw or win for Safies.

Actually a lead for Pakistan is more likely to bring about a draw than a lead for south africa. If we have a lead they are more likely to continue their dour negative tactics from the 1st innings when they went at 2 per over for 130 overs.

If they have a lead of 80 or 90, they are more likely to push on a bit which will bring an opportunity for wickets. And it also gives us more time to bowl them out.

By the way I would rather us lose the series 2-0 going for a win on the 5th day than us lose 1-0 playing out a bore draw on the 5th day.

 

[Usman Chadda]

The most despicable thing that we did today was allow Harris to reach 46 runs! The guy is an incredibly ordinary batsman, I just cannot believe he got close to a half-century!

 

[Gunner786]

I am not talking about wickets.....I am talking about your comment that the south africans have been playing him with ease. It only proves you are one of those computer chair experts who develops all his opinions by following games on cricinfo

actually i am watching it on ary digital and as you will see i didnt make any posts in this thread the past 2 days while the match was going on therefore ending any possibility i follow it on cricinfo.
if i follow a game on cricinfo i posts here too so.........

from your posts you seem to be the one following it on cricinfo judging by the amount of posts you have made today.

 

[W63L35]

Actually a lead for Pakistan is more likely to bring about a draw than a lead for south africa. If we have a lead they are more likely to continue their dour negative tactics from the 1st innings when they went at 2 per over for 130 overs.

If they have a lead of 80 or 90, they are more likely to push on a bit which will bring an opportunity for wickets. And it also gives us more time to bowl them out.

Either way, I am sure...Safies will play for draw (if not win)....in their 2nd innings when they bat.

By the way I would rather us lose the series 2-0 going for a win on the 5th day than us lose 1-0 playing out a bore draw on the 5th day.

Yes, I'd do that....and a captain like Imran or an experienced captain captain might do that....but Malik in his 1st series.....I don't know. He may play safe!

 

[Hash]

actually i am watching it on ary digital and as you will see i didnt make any posts in this thread the past 2 days while the match was going on therefore ending any possibility i follow it on cricinfo.
if i follow a game on cricinfo i posts here too so.........

from your posts you seem to be the one following it on cricinfo judging by the amount of posts you have made today.

in that case it only highlights your complete lack of cricketing know how and knowledge. You could be forgiven for following it on cricinfo and saying 'the saffies are playing asif easily' but to actually watch the game and say so? OH DEAR

 

[Gunner786]

in that case it only highlights your complete lack of cricketing know how and knowledge. You could be forgiven for following it on cricinfo and saying 'the saffies are playing asif easily' but to actually watch the game and say so? OH DEAR

is that why asif has series stats of 2-180?

 

[Hash]

is that why asif has series stats of 2-180?

again totally missing my point and probably deliberately too!

I wasn't talking about his stats. I was talking about your comment that the saffies had played him easily, which to anyone watching (who has a head screwed on his shoulders) is far from the truth.

 

[sportacus]

I watched the game and have it all recorded so can watch it again and again.

Asif 'troubled' the South Africans like an Indian medium pacer would trouble them i.e. infrequently at low pace, out side off stump where they could let most of the balls go past ...as they did

Asif proved useless shooting out the tail because he doesn't threaten them, has no yorker and innocuous bouncer.... it is shameful that likes of Hash and Monsee prompted by their hatred for Shoaib are prepared to praise an Indian style medium pacer

 

[Hash]

I don't know where you got this idea that I am a 'Shoaib hater' from. It's not the first time you have said so either

but anyway, you obviously missed the number of times Asif beat the edge on day 1.

 

[sportacus]

wake up and look at the scorecard mate

Indian medium pacers beat the edge

Pakistan pace bowlers destroy stumps, crush toes and break helmets

 

[siddharth]

wake up and look at the scorecard mate

Indian medium pacers beat the edge

Pakistan pace bowlers destroy stumps, crush toes and break helmets

and allow the oppostiotion to score 450 runs without breaking that