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Pakistan vs Sri Lanka | 3rd ODI | Abu Dhabi | Oct 18, 2017 | Pakistan Innings

DRsohail said:
larrka sweep mar sakta ha ka nahi ye barra zarori hoga...i mean bhanja..
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Sweep shot isn't necessary and it doesn't come naturally to a lot of batsmen. Two modern ATGs have said that they don't like to play the sweep shot. I will give you 2 mins to guess who.
 
Liking Imam's batting thus far. Very calm and composed. The glasses help in this regard.
 
Imam is playing well, so refreshing after being exposed to "Selfie Barbie's" dot balls. Hope he develops into a quality and reliable opener for Pakistan, we need a dynamic opening pair. Fakhar looks off-colour today, hope he gets a long innings, build his confidence.
 
That's where Fakhar struggles. Needs his front leg to go towards the line of the ball.
 
Mamoon said:
Do you know what hack actually mean?
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In cricketing terms, its the player's inability to maneuver the ball in an assertive manner coupled with horrendous defense owing to poor technical discipline and an equal incapacity to rotate strike efficiently due to same technical flaws can be termed as a hack. The only aspect of batting a hack is good at is a ferocious whack to get his way out of the pressure built upon himself due to his own limitations and in the process either getting dismissed or slightly prolonging the inevitable. Afridi was a prime example of the word "hack" in cricketing dictionary.
 
Mamoon said:
Sweep shot isn't necessary and it doesn't come naturally to a lot of batsmen. Two modern ATGs have said that they don't like to play the sweep shot. I will give you 2 mins to guess who.
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kohli and smith???he is an opener but as we play more in asia so he needs it in specially in test cricket...
 
darksher said:
In cricketing terms, its the player's inability to maneuver the ball in an assertive manner coupled with horrendous defense owing to poor technical discipline and an equal incapacity to rotate strike efficiently due to same technical flaws can be termed as a hack. The only aspect of batting a hack is good at is a ferocious whack to get his way out of the pressure built upon himself due to his own limitations and in the process either getting dismissed or slightly prolonging the inevitable. Afridi was a prime example of the word "hack" in cricketing dictionary.
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Correct, and Imam is polar opposite of a hack. Fakhar though does have hack-ish tendencies, but hacks can be useful in Limited Overs.
 
DRsohail said:
kohli and smith???he is an opener but as we play more in asia so he needs it in specially in test cricket...
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Kohli and Sangakkara, the latter made Ajmal his .... for years and hardly played the sweep shot against him.
 
darksher said:
In cricketing terms, its the player's inability to maneuver the ball in an assertive manner coupled with horrendous defense owing to poor technical discipline and an equal incapacity to rotate strike efficiently due to same technical flaws can be termed as a hack. The only aspect of batting a hack is good at is a ferocious whack to get his way out of the pressure built upon himself due to his own limitations and in the process either getting dismissed or slightly prolonging the inevitable. Afridi was a prime example of the word "hack" in cricketing dictionary.
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Impressive use of words but nah,you’re wrong about Imam
 
Mamoon said:
Sweep shot isn't necessary and it doesn't come naturally to a lot of batsmen. Two modern ATGs have said that they don't like to play the sweep shot. I will give you 2 mins to guess who.
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Kohli and Williamson??
 
Bilal7 said:
Liking Imam's batting thus far. Very calm and composed. The glasses help in this regard.
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I think he should use eye contacts. Better for ball judgment than glasses.
 
Dananjaya spins the ball more than any off-spinner in the world today.
 
Mamoon said:
Kohli and Sangakkara. Williamson doesn't play it much either.
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When you said modern I didn't consider the recently retired ATGs so...

But yeah I haven't really seen KW use it much. Root loves it though.
 
Sirris said:
I think he should use eye contacts. Better for ball judgment than glasses.
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Some people's eyes are sensitive to eye-contact-lenses. I'd rather the player is comfortable and focusing on the game, as opposed to his eye. Think back to any eye pain, it's very distracting!
 
Mamoon said:
Kohli and Sangakkara. Williamson doesn't play it much either.
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Neither does Amla and he has centuries against Ajmal, Herath and Swann, away, in both formats. That does not make the sweep an unnecessary shot, however. For batsmen that can play it properly, it is a devastating weapon. :yk2
 
DRsohail said:
but roots has been dismissed quite a few times playing sweep shot..
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Same goes for Younis, Sarfi, Misbah........
It's always a risky shot if you misjudge the length and its not an easy shot to play either but once you connect the ball goes a long way whether slogged or along the ground.
 
there is not a major artery there attaht area of the face but looks to be some sort of fracture...then small artery will bleed more in infrorbital region...
 
all the players mentioned above have the sweep shot in their locker and so can play it if the need arises. Kohli's knock at Adelaide where he handled Lyon so well is an example of him pulling the sweep shot out at a time where other options weren't working. The likes of Babar don't have a sweep shot at all and it's something he needs to develop just so that he has an extra scoring option if he wants to succeed in the UAE/Asia as a Test batsmen.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
Same goes for Younis, Sarfi, Misbah........
It's always a risky shot if you misjudge the length and its not an easy shot to play either but once you connect the ball goes a long way whether slogged or along the ground.
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yess agreed but roots has not mastered it like the other two who were more reliable on sweep shot and rightly so and were more accurate.
 
DRsohail said:
there is not a major artery there attaht area of the face but looks to be some sort of fracture...then small artery will bleed more in infrorbital region...
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The Zygomatic arch is fractured for sure.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
Same goes for Younis, Sarfi, Misbah........
It's always a risky shot if you misjudge the length and its not an easy shot to play either but once you connect the ball goes a long way whether slogged or along the ground.
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You can say that about any shot. Play it enough times and a few will go wrong.
 
Boi said:
all the players mentioned above have the sweep shot in their locker and so can play it if the need arises. Kohli's knock at Adelaide where he handled Lyon so well is an example of him pulling the sweep shot out at a time where other options weren't working. The likes of Babar don't have a sweep shot at all and it's something he needs to develop just so that he has an extra scoring option if he wants to succeed in the UAE/Asia as a Test batsmen.
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Yes, but he has developed it over the years. It didn't come naturally to him and it took years for him to develop it. I would be more worried to see a young batsmen have the wrong basics. In due time Babar will probably learn to play it.
 
QUESTION for all - Who do you think is the best batsmen when it comes to shielding their partner and taking most of the strike in ODIs in the modern era?
 
Imam has no flair at all and top of it has poor technique , i wont say that he is a long term option.
 
Mamoon said:
Sweep shot isn't necessary and it doesn't come naturally to a lot of batsmen. Two modern ATGs have said that they don't like to play the sweep shot. I will give you 2 mins to guess who.
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Ponting and Kohli
 
Shehzad fans are hurt over the fact that we have another competent opener that can finally force that excuse of a cricket batsman back to domestic cricket.
 
darksher said:
Shehzad is light years ahead of the one picked by nepotism both in technical aspects and shot selection. Terrible decision to drop him on the basis of two games.
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What about the 80/90 matches where he has been consistently inconsistent and scoring at a snail's pace?
 
I bowl that same ball the Akila is bowling.
Problem is that it's to right-handlers so it's always wide.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes. It became popular in the last couple of years, and majority of the people use it in the wrong context.
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Yup the right Urdu equivalent is Tullaybaaz..which in just 1 innings I can confirm Imam is NOT
 
darksher said:
Anyone who's considering Imam quality long term batting investment based on his mediocre hacky innings so far, have literally no understanding of cricket. I mean the guy clearly has a trouble rotating strike confidently *** while here you're talking about making him a permanent fixture in the opening slot. Not condoning Shehzad's poor form with the bat in the past two ODIs but he's clearly better than this brainless exhibition of batsmanship on display. Gimme a break!
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One thing you are missing is his solid technique which many batsmen lack in the current era.

Nerves are there but reallt impressed with technique, looks pretty good to me.
 
Doosara said:
Fakhar needs to take on the bowlers and give some entertainment value with some fine striking.
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No man he's playing for that fifty. And I don't blame him.

Imam on the other hand should pick it up. Last 5 overs 17/0.
 
I find it surprising that Pakistan seem to be able to post bigger scores in ODI innings than they do in Test innings.
 
Napa said:
I find it surprising that Pakistan seem to be able to post bigger scores in ODI innings than they do in Test innings.
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That'll change eventually too if Pakistan selectors stop being arrogant and choose a proper side.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, but he has developed it over the years. It didn't come naturally to him and it took years for him to develop it. I would be more worried to see a young batsmen have the wrong basics. In due time Babar will probably learn to play it.
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Problem is, if UAE is your home, sweep must be your strong suite, you can be in test team at age 50, like the MisYou, if you are expert of sweep. Because of sweep YK was GOAT of 4th innings, he could disrupt many spinners on day 4/5 with his use of crease, sweep was vital part of that strategy.

Even Azhar started sweeping in last few years, although he never looked natural at it. For babar to be successful against spin(which is his main weakness), he need start using crease, without sweep you can be trapped pretty easily...
 
JibranAnsari said:
Imam has no flair at all and top of it has poor technique , i wont say that he is a long term option.
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Exactly my assessment of him. Can't see him surviving past a couple of series at most. He needs to go back and work on the basics to become a viable option in the long term. Its safe to say Shehzad is a more safe option in the duo and should rightly be selected until a better replacement is available.
 
Should send Fahim up the order if required.
 
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