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We have a good core of Babar, Imam, Shaheen, Amir, Haris.

Imad Wasim is also quite a capable player and is a very useful cricketer.

By then, Babar, Imam, Shaheen should be much improved. Amir and Haris can provide crucial experience.

What we need to do is get a new wicketkeeper, 2 new batsmen, and a quality spinner or two.

In the 2011 WC held in India, we had a mediocre team but still came close to winning. The conditions will suit us.

If we invest in the right players, we have a solid chance. We really should aim to win this one.
 
So will the other usual suspects.

If you mean India, their team will be old and past it. Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit Sharma will all be old and not good enough. Their middle order is also a huge worry and there doesn't seem to be any convincing talent there. Bowling is good, though Bumrah has a very injury prone action and could break down early. So it's just Kuldeep, Chaha, Shami that are the real threats.
 
I don't think our team is suited to Asian conditions tbh.

I somewhat agree, and that's why I hope we really invest in spinners like Zafar Gohar, Irfan leggie, etc. so that we can be very good in Asian coniditions. Our batting seems to be improving at playing spin and I hope we can develop that enough.
 
4 years is an extremely long time in universe of Pakistan Cricket.

In that time, anything and everything can change:afridi
 
If you mean India, their team will be old and past it. Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit Sharma will all be old and not good enough. Their middle order is also a huge worry and there doesn't seem to be any convincing talent there. Bowling is good, though Bumrah has a very injury prone action and could break down early. So it's just Kuldeep, Chaha, Shami that are the real threats.

If anything India are poised to produce a bunch of superstars in the next 4 years (and beyond).

They have the biggest population, the most resources, the most money and the IPL.

Kuldeep and co are just the beginning.
 
If you mean India, their team will be old and past it. Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit Sharma will all be old and not good enough. Their middle order is also a huge worry and there doesn't seem to be any convincing talent there. Bowling is good, though Bumrah has a very injury prone action and could break down early. So it's just Kuldeep, Chaha, Shami that are the real threats.

True. Now that we are saying random stuff without any basis, here's more.... England will take it easy now that they won the WC. NZ will lose interest after this loss and their stars will retire. All the Aussies will be old and all the saffers too. They will unanimously declare Pak as winner before a ball being bowled.
 
True. Now that we are saying random stuff without any basis, here's more.... England will take it easy now that they won the WC. NZ will lose interest after this loss and their stars will retire. All the Aussies will be old and all the saffers too. They will unanimously declare Pak as winner before a ball being bowled.

Indian fan spotted lol. No. SA and Aus will be threats since they have done good young players who can improve. Eng and NZ may have issues though.
 
If you mean India, their team will be old and past it. Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit Sharma will all be old and not good enough. Their middle order is also a huge worry and there doesn't seem to be any convincing talent there. Bowling is good, though Bumrah has a very injury prone action and could break down early. So it's just Kuldeep, Chaha, Shami that are the real threats.

I mean the Aussies, England, RSA and other top sides including India. They all keep producing class players generation after generation. Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly and Sehwag have made way for the likes of Kohli and Rohit. India still reached the semi final despite their poor middle order and are under 19 WC winners as well. There bowling at the moment is one of their best attacks ever. Our next generation of batsmen will be below average as usual.
 
Indian fan spotted lol. No. SA and Aus will be threats since they have done good young players who can improve. Eng and NZ may have issues though.

Why is it a lol if I'm an Indian fan? And India doesn't have young players that can improve? You gotto read your own posts twice before posting. Helps the mods too
 
Uh huh, if you say so...
Dont be surprised if you see shahzad, umar akmal, a 42 year old hafeez back in the world cup squad.
Captained by Safraz maybe or Amir.
Might even see Yasir Shah again who knows.
 
Need to find a some solid spinners and a clean hitter of the ball maybe like proper number 7
 
Uh huh, if you say so...
Dont be surprised if you see shahzad, umar akmal, a 42 year old hafeez back in the world cup squad.
Captained by Safraz maybe or Amir.
Might even see Yasir Shah again who knows.

Yeah man your right we never know with the PCB wh lol don't be suprised if your starting 11 is

Kharrum Manzoor
Ahmed Shehzad (c)
Kamran Akmal (wk)
Hafeez
Umar Akmal
Iftikar Ahmed
Yaser Shah
Sohail Tanvir
Mohammad Sami
Aizaz Cheema
Mohammad Irfan Jnr
 
Pakistan has a good chance but will need some smart intelligent thinking along the way.

First of all realise from the outset that it would need couple of world class spinners. If Shadab is your first choice come 2023, Pakistan is doomed. Pak rode on the troika of Ajmal, Afridi and Hafeez in the 2011 world cup. Similar spinners are needed.

Secondly Amir would be utterly useless. Get rid of him. He may have bowled well in this world cup but if he's your premier fast bowler in 4 years time, Pakistan are again screwed. You need fast reverse swinging bowlers like Umar Gul in Asian conditions. Hasan Ali would be ok.

Thirdly, Pakistan needs clones of Roy, Bairstow and a monster finisher like Buttler. India would have the flattest of pitches and you need people who can strike at 120.

And lastly, a competent captain who doesn't faze under pressure.
 
Yeah man your right we never know with the PCB wh lol don't be suprised if your starting 11 is

Kharrum Manzoor
Ahmed Shehzad (c)
Kamran Akmal (wk)
Hafeez
Umar Akmal
Iftikar Ahmed
Yaser Shah
Sohail Tanvir
Mohammad Sami
Aizaz Cheema
Mohammad Irfan Jnr

Problem with Pak is we have the talent look at our under 19 who destroyed the u19 saffers 7-0

But our seniors will perform like super batsman and bowlers in PSL, moan and groan saying I can do better than so and so, why am I not good enough to play for pak. Give me 1 chance, I will bowl him out I will bat better than him.

We will blame inexperience afte inexperience lose bilateral series, bring in seniors to guide the youngsters, say we need them they are our back bone etc..

Come closer to the world cup others will come out and say we know the indian pitches, we know how to play on them, give us 1 chance we will win the world cup its our dream etc...

And there you have it youngsters overshadowed by senior garbage and experience.
 
Problem with Pak is we have the talent look at our under 19 who destroyed the u19 saffers 7-0

But our seniors will perform like super batsman and bowlers in PSL, moan and groan saying I can do better than so and so, why am I not good enough to play for pak. Give me 1 chance, I will bowl him out I will bat better than him.

We will blame inexperience afte inexperience lose bilateral series, bring in seniors to guide the youngsters, say we need them they are our back bone etc..

Come closer to the world cup others will come out and say we know the indian pitches, we know how to play on them, give us 1 chance we will win the world cup its our dream etc...

And there you have it youngsters overshadowed by senior garbage and experience.

Exactly well put
 
Pakistan may be favorites but to go all the way , they need to go all out attack.
Players who should be in XI

Fakhar , Babaar , Harris , Imad , Amir , Shadab

Rest have to be filled.
 
If you can't play spin and you don't have good spinners than it doesn't matter.

We can play spin just fine apart from maybe Fakhar who's been in terrible form lately.

And we have plenty of good young spinners in our talent pool. Won't be long before one of them breaks into the team.
 
Would love to see Pakistan beat India in the final on the last ball of a super over. That would make up for the our generation long losing streak to them.
 
We can play spin just fine apart from maybe Fakhar who's been in terrible form lately.

And we have plenty of good young spinners in our talent pool. Won't be long before one of them breaks into the team.

You are in denial. Our batting struggled against Kuldeep, Tahir, Santner, Rashid, and Mujeeb in this World Cup. Hell, even Nabi seemed like breathing fire on our batsmen. Our batsmen struggled even against Maxwell and Darcie Short (yes that guy) in UAE!
 
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You are in denial. Our entire batting lineup struggled against Kuldeep, Tahir, Santner, Rashid, and Mujeeb in this World Cup. Hell, even Nabi seemed like breathing fire on our batsmen. Our batsmen struggled even against Maxwell and Darcie Short (yes that guy) in UAE!

Yeah but we also beat NZ and Afghanistan on total minefields against quality spinners. Most players struggle on pitches that turn square.

Plus Asian pitches aren't necessarily rank turners these days especially in LOIs.
 
True. Now that we are saying random stuff without any basis, here's more.... England will take it easy now that they won the WC. NZ will lose interest after this loss and their stars will retire. All the Aussies will be old and all the saffers too. They will unanimously declare Pak as winner before a ball being bowled.

I agree with this. Also, 2027 world cup will be won by US who will be a cricket superpower by then.
 
If you mean India, their team will be old and past it. Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit Sharma will all be old and not good enough. Their middle order is also a huge worry and there doesn't seem to be any convincing talent there. Bowling is good, though Bumrah has a very injury prone action and could break down early. So it's just Kuldeep, Chaha, Shami that are the real threats.

You need to do more research on Indian cricket....
 
1. Imam-ul-Haq
2. Ruhail Nazir (wk)
3. Babar Azam (vc)
4. Haris Sohail
5. Saud Shakeel
6. Imad Wasim (c)
7. Amir Yamin / Zafar Gohar
8. Shadab Khan
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Haris Rauf

12. Naseem Shah
13. Umer Khan
14. M Rizwan
15. Haider Ali
 
I don't see us getting into the top 4 rankings in time for 2023.

India and England would still be the top two favourites.
 
We need to play Imad as a batting all rounder, add Zafar Gohar, Khushdil Shah and new wicket keeper in to the XI.
But the most important thing is going to be discipline imo, will the pro players take on the responsibility to be professional for once?
 
I don't see us getting into the top 4 rankings in time for 2023.

India and England would still be the top two favourites.

england will get knocked out in group stages,they are awful in subcontinent
 
I expect all subcontinental teams to do well in 2023 World Cup. Spin should be a massive factor.
 
India are pretty much a certainty to win the next one. Pakistan should make the semi finals, but i don't see them winning it tbh.
 
even bangladesh will defeat england in subcontinent pitches

I wouldnt bank on it..the pitches will go back to flat phattas so we dont have rioting in the stands and lynchings on the streets. In that situation England will be coming strong.
 
I have very little interest in another Indian based world cup or tournament. indian cricket is generally boring and uninteresting, and their flat phatta indianisation of cricket has made alot of ODI's boring. Im glad this WC was in england where the pitches were excellent at times..

In India it will all be shamelessy geared towards the home team. A worthless excercise in watching them puff their tiny chests out and Modi jee relisihing anotehr pre election propaganda piece.

Not interested. Why isnt this world cup in south africa??
 
WC is in the subcontinent so all Asian teams will have a good chance.
 
I wouldnt bank on it..the pitches will go back to flat phattas so we dont have rioting in the stands and lynchings on the streets. In that situation England will be coming strong.

there is no doubt they will win but in bilaterals not in tournaments when the pitch will be slower.
 
I have very little interest in another Indian based world cup or tournament. indian cricket is generally boring and uninteresting, and their flat phatta indianisation of cricket has made alot of ODI's boring. Im glad this WC was in england where the pitches were excellent at times..

In India it will all be shamelessy geared towards the home team. A worthless excercise in watching them puff their tiny chests out and Modi jee relisihing anotehr pre election propaganda piece.

Not interested. Why isnt this world cup in south africa??

will pakistan oppose to go in india ?
 
The team that aspires to be serious contenders for WC2023 at least to reach the SEMI FINALS must see to it that they are in the Top 4 of the ICC ODI Rankings continuously for the next 4 years and they must have batsmen , bowlers , all rounders in the Top 10 of ICC Player Rankings continuously for the next 4 years . This applies to all teams not just Pak
 
Let's talk about six months or so four years in Pakistan is too much.
 
Lmao...I'd eat my shoe if this came true but its not gonna happen. Still, 4 years is a long time.

Bangladesh could do very well imo, especially in Indian conditions.

If the pitches are flat, i think England could do also do well.
 
Dunno about the favourite bit.....as an indian onlooker...i guess u guys need to invest big time in your A tours and u-19 cricket....straight away....this will pay dividends come 4 years...+ more exposure in your PSL ....also am excited atyour young pace stocks...SSA is an awesome star for the future, hasnain has the pace, i read somewhere about the nasim shah guy....with an awesome pace legacy you guys should produce exciting pacemen....i guess the one big drawback is your spinners-i dnot know much about shadab but i guess he is young and will improve as well...but u gotta breed new spinners....all the v best... from a lifelong indian fan ......
 
I'm predicting an India v Bangladesh final.

who knows? i feel BD is on the right track....the passion is there, the skills are improving....BD's economy is improving and their facilities and infra is also on the way up....BD's college system for cricket is definately functioning well...a good feeder system to your senior ranks-i have a friend who is involved in this....i definately feel BD cricket is gonna zoom ahead very soon...
 
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lol .. this is extremly weird .. i dont doubt it but with pak cricket even 4 days are like 4 years in nomral world ....

we need quality Spinning spinners... umer khan n zafar gohar ... a leggie who can spin the ball.... (shadab needs to improve) quality seamer ... have high hopes for Naseem Shah, M Husnnain, Harris Rauf ..

Imad needs to improve on his batting .. he cannot be a no6 with just hit n miss .. he did great in WC but hr isnt a no6 .. he is more like a no7/8 ..

Aamir yamin is must choice for the team.... he needs to play ...
 
If Pakistan are to be successful then they need to start planning from now. They need to decide who the captain will be, who the players to invest in and will likely be a part the side going forward, who the coaching staff will be, who will be a part of the management going forward. Most of these decisions need to made soon. We have some time before our next series so we must make the right decisions.
 
I dont get how any team can be regarded as favourites for a tournament that is 4 years away.
 
honestly I hope pakistan kick the proverbials during the next world cup. But my interest if they dont will centre around England and then not much else. Cricket in India is just boring....jsut chukka choaka and the same droning commentators..flat pitches boring..the commentators commenting on how amazing india are while everyone else while everyone else are just there to make up the numbers..
 
I somewhat agree, and that's why I hope we really invest in spinners like Zafar Gohar, Irfan leggie, etc. so that we can be very good in Asian coniditions. Our batting seems to be improving at playing spin and I hope we can develop that enough.

I hear a lot about Zafar Gohar here at PP, he doesn't have an impressive FC record, what is so special about him ?
 
4 years is an extremely long time in universe of Pakistan Cricket.

In that time, anything and everything can change:afridi

True words. But Pakistan never forgets the habit of carrying some old players who should have been kicked out. Based on that some old batch members will be playing for Pakistan. Who knows? Umar Akmal might be leading Pakistan in 2023.
 
Pakistan start planning 2 months before the World Cup and people here are planning 4 years ahead of it
 
I hear a lot about Zafar Gohar here at PP, he doesn't have an impressive FC record, what is so special about him ?

He is the only left arm spinner who bowls the carrom bowl just like rangana herath,he is an spinner who actually spins the bowl,a very good fielder and an very handy batsman.
 
If Wasim Khan stays until then... You should definitely expect Pakistan to be more competitive.
 
In my opinion this will be the squad for the 2023 world cup considering the indian conditions in mind.

1.)Imam ul haq
2.)Fakhar zaman(provided he has an good domestic season and will be a consistent batsman)
3.)Babar azam (captain)(people saying he shouldnt be made captain must remember he has captained the Pakistan under 19 side which played the final but lost to india in the final but he has some experience of captaincy and 4 years are enough to groom him in to a good captain.)
4.)Haris sohail
5.)'some dynamic young wicket keeper bataman who can bat with a strike rate around 90 to hundred and I dont think rizwan or rohail nazir fits in to this category ,we need to find a dynamic wicket keeper batsman for the world cup as this is the missing puzzle for mission 2023.
6.)Imad wasim
7.)Shadab khan
8.)Mohammed amir
9')shaheen shah afridi
10.)mohammad hasnain or naseem shah (both are right tall arm bowlers who bowl 150 kph and both should be groomed during the 4 year period and be prepared by the management for the next year world cup.)
11.)umer khan (He is an very talented spinner and at a young age he has nerves of steel who has dismissed top quality batsman in both the psl and domestic arena ,he will be our trump card for the world cup.)
now for the reserves

12.) Usman khan shinwari (in case mohammad amir has an dip in form and his bowling form has regressed shinwari can take his place who can bowl quicker than amir but unfortunately with lesser variations than amir but he has an very good record in international odi cricket so he will be an excellent replacement for amir considering if amir has an awful dip in form.
13.)Zafar gohar
14.)Sharjeel khan(provided he has an good domestic season he should definitely be in the squad and I dont want to hear that he is a cheat or fixer and other things cause there are examples like amir ,warner ,smith ,wasim akram and many players who have done similar things but these guys were so talented that the cricket boards of the respective countries knew that they will be a trump card for us heading in to the world cup or playing against good sides so it will be a stupid descison to waste a good talent like sharjeel khan.If he has an good domestic season he should definitely be in the squad.
15.) saud shakeel/saif badar /saad ali(a solid middle order batsman and who ever performs the best and is consistent in the domestic arena,international cricket or psl should be in the squad.)

So in the hind sight I do believe we have the talent and players to go on as favourite for the 2023 world cup but the planning should start now just like england did after the world cup 2015 .The management should give as many chances to the players listed above to polish their skills and be equipped to play international cricket.The core should be involved around these players as these are probably the best available talent available in Pakistan right now at the moment and this core of players have all the skills to be successful in the conditions of indian pitches which is where are next world cup favourite.So with proper planning and management I do believe that we can enter the world cup not as favourites but at least be good enough that we can at leasr qualify for the semis as after semis luck factor is involved ad no team is favourite when it is playing at the semi final stage of the world cup.
 
100% need to find a world-class specialist spinner. Otherwise, they're not winning.
 
In my opinion this will be the squad for the 2023 world cup considering the indian conditions in mind.

1.)Imam ul haq
2.)Fakhar zaman(provided he has an good domestic season and will be a consistent batsman)
3.)Babar azam (captain)(people saying he shouldnt be made captain must remember he has captained the Pakistan under 19 side which played the final but lost to india in the final but he has some experience of captaincy and 4 years are enough to groom him in to a good captain.)
4.)Haris sohail
5.)'some dynamic young wicket keeper bataman who can bat with a strike rate around 90 to hundred and I dont think rizwan or rohail nazir fits in to this category ,we need to find a dynamic wicket keeper batsman for the world cup as this is the missing puzzle for mission 2023.
6.)Imad wasim
7.)Shadab khan
8.)Mohammed amir
9')shaheen shah afridi
10.)mohammad hasnain or naseem shah (both are right tall arm bowlers who bowl 150 kph and both should be groomed during the 4 year period and be prepared by the management for the next year world cup.)
11.)umer khan (He is an very talented spinner and at a young age he has nerves of steel who has dismissed top quality batsman in both the psl and domestic arena ,he will be our trump card for the world cup.)
now for the reserves

12.) Usman khan shinwari (in case mohammad amir has an dip in form and his bowling form has regressed shinwari can take his place who can bowl quicker than amir but unfortunately with lesser variations than amir but he has an very good record in international odi cricket so he will be an excellent replacement for amir considering if amir has an awful dip in form.
13.)Zafar gohar
14.)Sharjeel khan(provided he has an good domestic season he should definitely be in the squad and I dont want to hear that he is a cheat or fixer and other things cause there are examples like amir ,warner ,smith ,wasim akram and many players who have done similar things but these guys were so talented that the cricket boards of the respective countries knew that they will be a trump card for us heading in to the world cup or playing against good sides so it will be a stupid descison to waste a good talent like sharjeel khan.If he has an good domestic season he should definitely be in the squad.
15.) saud shakeel/saif badar /saad ali(a solid middle order batsman and who ever performs the best and is consistent in the domestic arena,international cricket or psl should be in the squad.)

So in the hind sight I do believe we have the talent and players to go on as favourite for the 2023 world cup but the planning should start now just like england did after the world cup 2015 .The management should give as many chances to the players listed above to polish their skills and be equipped to play international cricket.The core should be involved around these players as these are probably the best available talent available in Pakistan right now at the moment and this core of players have all the skills to be successful in the conditions of indian pitches which is where are next world cup favourite.So with proper planning and management I do believe that we can enter the world cup not as favourites but at least be good enough that we can at leasr qualify for the semis as after semis luck factor is involved ad no team is favourite when it is playing at the semi final stage of the world cup.

Good post and nice picks. But I'd drop one of the pacers and play a middle order batsmen to help solidify our batting order.

And don't forget about haris rauf for pace options.
 
Good post and nice picks. But I'd drop one of the pacers and play a middle order batsmen to help solidify our batting order.

And don't forget about haris rauf for pace options.
Oh man I have forgotten about Haris rauf ,haris rauf should definitely be in the squad.We got many options in the pace department and we probably have the best fast bowling talent in Asia.
 
Would love to see Pakistan beat India in the final on the last ball of a super over. That would make up for the our generation long losing streak to them.

No
People would die. I couldn't control myself yesterday and the tennis/cricket was basically irrelevant compared to what a Pak v Ind final would mean.
We just smash them like in the last final the 2 countries played ;) save a whole load of emotion rollercoaster
 
Malik is just the latest reincarnation. We’ve always carried lots of deadweight.

It's quite sad how true your statement is. Fans clamour for new selectors but until the whole culture changes around Pakistani Cricket, there will always be significant dead wood in match-day squads. However I do feel like this tournament wasn't too bad, the most recent XIs in the final four games we've been playing have had deserving players and the only ones that have caused controversy are Sarfraz and Fakhar (mainly because he's horribly out of form). I remember in 2013 and 2015 the squad was full of players who couldn't do anything worthwhile (Farhat, Shafiq, Jamshed, Asad Ali, Kamran Akmal, Amin, Maqsood etc).
 
Need 2 wicket taking spinners who the opponents fear not to lose any wickets to them.

Whichever team has those 2 threatening spinners will go a long way in 2023 CWC

people also need to think of other teams that right now has good enough spinners for example the last 4 in this worldcup

India - chahal and kuldeep
Aus- zampa
Eng - adil, moeen ali
Nzl - sodhi, santner

Pak need to find their next ajmal.
 
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