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Pakistan win the final game of the series by four wickets

boomboom6 said:
It's not surprise to see Malik doing well at 4 considering his best era as batsman came at 3 under Inzi in ODIs ... He's a guy who needs time at the crease before he gets going and he is showing that today.
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Its not a surprise that the most experienced player in the team finally showed up in a dead rubber against a weakened English bowling attack.

Where was he in the first three matches he played?
 
Pakistan require another 117 runs with 7 wickets and 20.0 overs remaining


After a long time pakistan showing some application chasing.
 
MMHS said:
Bro, this was the game in 1975 as well. Those days, the context was different, so this 302 would have been 222; but the formula of chasing was always same. The major change in ODI is in 1st 15 overs, but the likes of Javed, Lamb, Gower, Deano, Azhar, Border, Martin .... all played like this from No. 4 & 5 in 70s & 80s as well. Now, the boundary has shrunken, 2 balls, better bats, lighting fast out field - so you see lots of boundary. But in late 80s, Javed had 9 or 10 consecutive 50+, most of them chasing & some not out. Only change would have been in 90s that most of them would have batted as opener or No. 3.

The standard game PAK plays now days was obsolete in 1975 as well.
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Yes 300 has been 250 or 230.

But you still gotta score those runs.

In the past, if you collapsed to 140/5 chasing 222...you could slowly go to get that target with good solid lower order bats.

These days if you collapse to 250/5 chasing 300...you have to score 50 runs (proportional increase in runs) but the DURATION (balls) at which you can get them has shrunk.

So that means a solid slow lower order bats or tail in 70s or 80s would be useless in modern era.

Cos you still have to score those extra runs but now at a quicker speed.

And when wickets fall, those extra runs at quicker speed keep getting tougher and tougher. So while everything is just scaled up....its not really the same cos the skillsets needed nowadays is speed more than solidity.
 
blackanhyellow said:
Its not a surprise that the most experienced player in the team finally showed up in a dead rubber against a weakened English bowling attack.

Where was he in the first three matches he played?
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Those were games under pressure. Pakistan hardly can play when pressure is on.
 
The little boys in green have matured into the men in green, that's how you chase and plan in the 2nd innings of an ODI
 
Mian Malik for Captain .........................Mian Malik for Captain ..................... Mian ..............
 
We've approached the time when Pakistan go into full ****** mode in chases lol
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
reminds when he swept faulkner onto the roof of Sharjah.

Wish we could see more of that
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Indeed, but this shot also gets him caught at the boundary too often. May be he can take it out later not now. Theses 2 hv to bat for another 10 overs ..
 
Like most of you, I'm also on the fence when it comes to Malik .. but to be fair, he's not a number 6 batsman .. if you are going to play him, he needs to play at 4 ..
 
Can't understand all the Malik haters. One would think he hasn't been trying up to this point. If it is so easy for Malik to score runs when he needs to secure his place, he must be really talented.
 
Slowness in the wicket is helping these two guys. Otherwise you hardly see them going after seamers. This total is chaseable by even Pakistan.


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A bit random but I really want to see a mirpuri play for Pakistan, I've never seen one play for our country.
 
Veteran said:
Can't understand all the Malik haters. One would think he hasn't been trying up to this point. If it is so easy for Malik to score runs when he needs to secure his place, he must be really talented.
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Dude, he failed in the first three matches.

He finally showed up when Pakistan has already lost the series in a dead rubber against a weakened English bowling attack.
 
blackanhyellow said:
Its not a surprise that the most experienced player in the team finally showed up in a dead rubber against a weakened English bowling attack.

Where was he in the first three matches he played?
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Weakened attack? All their 1st choice fast bowlers are playing today. And context matters, he is batting at 4 today. Historically Malik has always done well in the top order and he is showing it again today. Never been effective at 6 or lower.

Time to give credit where it's due.
 
NauV said:
Like most of you, I'm also on the fence when it comes to Malik .. but to be fair, he's not a number 6 batsman .. if you are going to play him, he needs to play at 4 ..
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i think he has value for the ODI team, especially given how inexperienced this ODI line-up us
 
blackanhyellow said:
Yes I would also like to see some kashmiri and baloch players play for Pakistan. Hopefully we will one day.
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Afaq Rahim who is playing for Islamabad in national t20 almost made it to the national team few years back. He's from Azad Kashmir. That's the only player I know of hailing from Azad Kashmir.. Are there more ??
 
Syed1 said:
Wow we are never 186/3 after 30. Wow wow wow
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We are better at chasing than setting targets - it forces us to bat at 5-6 RPO.

That may not have been the case in the past but it is true now.

I will make a separate thread about it later.
 
who thinks Imad should come in next? For one thing do we want three left-handers in a row?
 
Both Malik and Azhar save their place as a player and captain for Australia series. Yasir in ODI, Wahab, Hafeez and Gul (Big ? being a friend of Inzi)on the line
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yes 300 has been 250 or 230.

But you still gotta score those runs.

In the past, if you collapsed to 140/5 chasing 222...you could slowly go to get that target with good solid lower order bats.

These days if you collapse to 250/5 chasing 300...you have to score 50 runs (proportional increase in runs) but the DURATION (balls) at which you can get them has shrunk.

So that means a solid slow lower order bats or tail in 70s or 80s would be useless in modern era.

Cos you still have to score those extra runs but now at a quicker speed.

And when wickets fall, those extra runs at quicker speed keep getting tougher and tougher. So while everything is just scaled up....its not really the same cos the skillsets needed nowadays is speed more than solidity.
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But, you haven't factored the batting of Marshall, Wasim, Qadir, Warne, Hadlee, Saq, Holding, Lawson, Madan, Binny ....... in modern era - those guys used to have 15/75 or better stats those days, not to mention Kapil, Khan, Botham. Chasing 75 in 15 overs with 5 down was lot tougher than 100 in 15 these days, trust me. Adjust the boundary size & take 2 balls out - many modern All-rounders would have ended with red face.
 
boomboom6 said:
Weakened attack? All their 1st choice fast bowlers are playing today. And context matters, he is batting at 4 today. Historically Malik has always done well in the top order and he is showing it again today. Never been effective at 6 or lower.

Time to give credit where it's due.
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Lol are you serious?

The attack of: Wood, Woakes, Plunkett, Stokes, Moin Ali, Adil Rashid is equivalent to the one played today?

Also if moin and rashid were playing today they would have scored more runs too.

I give credit where its due, its with sarfraz who actually performed in more than one match this series!
 
Is Morgan a poor captain because Malik and Sarfaraz are milking singles easily or is he a poor captain because he introduced spin that both batsmen find easy
 
Rayyman said:
jayawardene :jaya
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Many played that shot well, but the best I can recall was probably Mark Waugh. Absolute genius with his timing - in fact I have seen him hitting Six with similar wristy punch on back-foot.
 
Stokes running his lip now.. what a sore loser
 
Funny thing is these guys are attacking pacers the way you attack spinner, they can do it here because wicket is slow. That will not be case on most days.

They don't really have game to go after seamer on a regular wicket. Which is Pakistan's biggest problem. [emoji45][emoji45][emoji45]


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Miah in 60s, get a hundred, we'll take his support (bashing) page to 170 .......
 
yasir said:
Funny thing is these guys are attacking pacers the way you attack spinner, they can do it here because wicket is slow. That will not be case on most days.

They don't really have game to go after seamer on a regular wicket. Which is Pakistan's biggest problem. [emoji45][emoji45][emoji45]


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Bhai zindagi ka asool hai take what you get and don't get greedy
 
Pete Rose said:
Is Morgan a poor captain because Malik and Sarfaraz are milking singles easily or is he a poor captain because he introduced spin that both batsmen find easy
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Didnt go too badly when he introduced spin against good players of it last game?
 
Pete Rose said:
Is Morgan a poor captain because Malik and Sarfaraz are milking singles easily or is he a poor captain because he introduced spin that both batsmen find easy
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Still better than Azhar.

:afaq
 
MMHS said:
But, you haven't factored the batting of Marshall, Wasim, Qadir, Warne, Hadlee, Saq, Holding, Lawson, Madan, Binny ....... in modern era - those guys used to have 15/75 or better stats those days, not to mention Kapil, Khan, Botham. Chasing 75 in 15 overs with 5 down was lot tougher than 100 in 15 these days, trust me. Adjust the boundary size & take 2 balls out - many modern All-rounders would have ended with red face.
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You are taking the best of players bro.

I have repeatedly said that some of the players from the past era would make hay in current situation. Easy 45-50 average at 85 SR.

But not all would.

Majority won't.

Just cos Aravinda De Silva would average 50 in today's era doesn't mean Marvan Attapatu would do better. The former would be hailed while the latter would be chased off the team.

Proportional isn't 75 runs in 15 overs......75 runs in say 20 overs.

Here's a simple yardstick:

India's tail of Jaddu, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Mishra would be a solid tail in 80s. Can slowly get the runs. Actually Ashwin and Jaddu had won a game in Aus (against SL) from a tricky position when run rate wasn't the issue. Dhoni and Ashwin won a game in Perth scoring slowly but effectively.

However in today's times and in high scoring games, all of them (barring Jaddu) can't slog fast enough so all the talent in constructing innings is kind of a waste around 90% of the time.
 
blackanhyellow said:
Lol are you serious?

The attack of: Wood, Woakes, Plunkett, Stokes, Moin Ali, Adil Rashid is equivalent to the one played today?

Also if moin and rashid were playing today they would have scored more runs too.

I give credit where its due, its with sarfraz who actually performed in more than one match this series!
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Plunkett, Rashid and Moin are hardly world beaters ... It's Woakes and Wood that have troubled us the most.

You are clutching at straws.
 
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