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Pakistani batsmen and their inability to take singles constantly

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60 odd dot balls in the match against Bangladesh in Asia cup.

42 dot balls in today's warm up match if they had scored 20 singles in these 42 balls, the end score would have been 177 which is very good.

Is the inability to take singles consistently the single biggest issue Pakistani batsmen are facing today?
 
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This is normal for Pakistan not just in T20 but in ODI too. Nothing new in this and it would continue to happen in the future too when you have mentally weak players who do not know how to build an innings.

This has been happening for decades in Pakistan Cricket, nothing unusual in this. Even in Test Cricket, teams look to get singles and not just block away or leave the ball.
 
I guess the trust between the two batsmen on crease is not that great and 'calling' is shabby as well also many Pakistan batsmen don't seem that fit anymore to run quick between the wickets.
 
The crowds don't roar when you just take singles.
 
Tbh I don't think it's something you can just pick up at the international level after years of not doing it right at the junior and domestic levels. It's something that needs to be drilled into players at a young age.
 
A let-off for us today. Sri Lanka should've chased that score but collapsed like a house of cards despite being 101-4 but lost Mathews on last ball of 13th over. RRPO wasn't massive either.

If we had lost today, that's the reason why. Just can't eat up that many dot balls in a T20, puts too much pressure then on your power hitters to slog.
 
Technically flawed, fundamentally flawed, coached by the greatest paindus on earth in juniors and domestic.

You aren't going to change this at the international level. Rotating strike isn't as easy as people think. Finding the gaps is a skill that has to be taught and takes time to learn.
 
While selections selectors have to keep this thing in mind they need to select better strike rotators in LOI


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Technically flawed, fundamentally flawed, coached by the greatest paindus on earth in juniors and domestic.

You aren't going to change this at the international level. Rotating strike isn't as easy as people think. Finding the gaps is a skill that has to be taught and takes time to learn.

Singles are one of the most important factors in a game. They take pressure off the batsmen because there aren't many dot balls, they help batsmen settle and get their eye in, they take the score forward even when scoring boundaries is difficult. Yet this is the most under rated aspect in Pakistani cricket! Because only sixes and fours excite people :facepalm:

It should be made a point that players at junior level base their games on singles rather than mere boundaries.
 
Singles are one of the most important factors in a game. They take pressure off the batsmen because there aren't many dot balls, they help batsmen settle and get their eye in, they take the score forward even when scoring boundaries is difficult. Yet this is the most under rated aspect in Pakistani cricket! Because only sixes and fours excite people :facepalm:

It should be made a point that players at junior level base their games on singles rather than mere boundaries.

Nothing will change until qualified coaches replace the overweight, uneducated chachas coaching junior players.
 
It could also be due to the fact that most coaches for junior level give a lot of importance to "test" cricket as such where they might help in fixing technical ability but don't concentrate on rotation of strike or running between the wickets,have seen many posters here as well who degrade LOI cricket almost everyday but fail to recognize it requires different aspects to be successful.
 
Technically flawed, fundamentally flawed, coached by the greatest paindus on earth in juniors and domestic.

You aren't going to change this at the international level. Rotating strike isn't as easy as people think. Finding the gaps is a skill that has to be taught and takes time to learn.

You say it's a skill, but it can't be that big of a skill if every other team is doing it apart from Pakistan. There are a few small things that'll hurt our chances of going to the semi-finals, in no particular order with all aimed at top 3 batsmen (Sharjeel, Shehzad, Hafeez): 1) inability to rotate strike 2) thus causing 30/3 collapses after 6 overs 3) RR too low after 6 overs 4) losing wickets too easily, 32% of our total T20s runs made by top 3, compared to 60% of India (and other teams).

I digress, look at Sarfaraz and his ability to rotate the strike. If we had more players like this then there wouldn't be a problem. He shows hunger and desire, and fitness. He is the perfect role model for a cricketer and fair enough he doesn't have the muscle to whack every ball for 6 but he's the Williamson, Root, Smith of Pakistan. The top 3 will always be our downfall, as it was today too eating up so many balls and leaving it way too late for a final surge.
 
Well, Shehzad won't change. Why should he change anything when the selectors have given him a clear signal by reselecting him so quickly that there is nothing wrong with his game.
 
Sarfaraz and Shohaib are excellent at turning strike over. Umer akmal is not bad either. It goes downhill from there with shezad sharjeel and lately Hafeez with his run outs. It's the mental aspect of the game which is lacking.

Younis has always been great at singles.

Misbah not so.
 
I saw a video recently where Bazid Khan was criticising Pakistan's flawed domestic structure after yet another batting collapse. He was saying that the pitches used in the domestics were heavily watered and under prepared ones and went on to say that non-standard tampered balls are used in the domestic circuit to aid swing and pace bowling more. He criticised that such wickets have destroyed the techniques of Pakistani batsmen.

That was a really interesting observation. While it is true that playing in difficult wickets improves your technique overall to cope with malicious conditions, the key is to lay a solid foundation for your technique first and then move on to the difficult aspects of batting. The problem with playing on such wickets is that your technique gets modified in such a way that you are forced to survive rather than dominate, even in easier conditions. Note that most youngsters in Pakistan grow up playing tape ball cricket, which behaves very differently from the standard cricket ball that you find elsewhere. Therefore most batsmen will be reluctant to play through the line or play freely as they will be caught nicking behind to the keeper very easily on such difficult wickets than on standard ones. Couple this with the lack of standard junior coaches and you have young batsmen developing their own technique to "survive" rather than to "dominate" against pace bowling, which may be different to the usual conventional technique.

This is quite apparent in a lot of Pakistani batsmen as well, many batsmen have a sort of crouching technique or an exaggerated trigger movement. Sarfaraz, Khurram Manzoor come to mind, even Younis has a crouched stance, but that works for him. I don't know how these modifications help them, however I have seen quite a few batsmen with these altered techniques. This is why they seem to struggle against genuine pace bowling even on benign wickets. This is apparent in the ODIs and T20s where when the batsmen are forced to rotate strike under pressure match situations, they are unable to rotate freely and end up playing a get out of jail shot which rather predictably skies upwards. Even in the last England tour, the batsmen played a lot of dot balls against Broad and Anderson in the UAE and played freely only when the spinners came on.

You first need to develop a wide shot array playing on all sides of the wicket. That cannot be developed if you grow up playing in these malicious conditions for stroke play. After you lay a solid foundation for your technique, you can then move on to the difficult aspects and nuances of batting like playing in swinging or bouncing conditions. Most yesteryear batsmen used to develop that aspect of their game with a stint in the county circuit, but nowadays not many batsmen in the world opt to go there. Hence they are forced to learn from their mistakes with experience and more tours in such conditions.

But you cannot opt to do it the other way round. Trying to master the difficult part first (in the absence of standard batting coaches), without developing a strong foundation for your technique first is like trying to learn a googly or doosra by yourself, without learning to land the balls six times in the right place first. To summarise, if what Mr.Bazid Khan says is correct, a conscious effort should be made to replace the sub standard wickets and balls in the domestic circuit and also PCB should employ world class batting coaches instead of those without much credibility. Also if an effort is made to provide good grassy turf for the players to practise on and the fitness aspect is stressed upon (quite a few Pak players have a tubby appearance), then that will go a long way in improving the fielding aspect as well and can transform the Pak side into a world class top 3 LOI side.
 
I saw a video recently where Bazid Khan was criticising Pakistan's flawed domestic structure after yet another batting collapse. He was saying that the pitches used in the domestics were heavily watered and under prepared ones and went on to say that non-standard tampered balls are used in the domestic circuit to aid swing and pace bowling more. He criticised that such wickets have destroyed the techniques of Pakistani batsmen.

That was a really interesting observation. While it is true that playing in difficult wickets improves your technique overall to cope with malicious conditions, the key is to lay a solid foundation for your technique first and then move on to the difficult aspects of batting. The problem with playing on such wickets is that your technique gets modified in such a way that you are forced to survive rather than dominate, even in easier conditions. Note that most youngsters in Pakistan grow up playing tape ball cricket, which behaves very differently from the standard cricket ball that you find elsewhere. Therefore most batsmen will be reluctant to play through the line or play freely as they will be caught nicking behind to the keeper very easily on such difficult wickets than on standard ones. Couple this with the lack of standard junior coaches and you have young batsmen developing their own technique to "survive" rather than to "dominate" against pace bowling, which may be different to the usual conventional technique.

This is quite apparent in a lot of Pakistani batsmen as well, many batsmen have a sort of crouching technique or an exaggerated trigger movement. Sarfaraz, Khurram Manzoor come to mind, even Younis has a crouched stance, but that works for him. I don't know how these modifications help them, however I have seen quite a few batsmen with these altered techniques. This is why they seem to struggle against genuine pace bowling even on benign wickets. This is apparent in the ODIs and T20s where when the batsmen are forced to rotate strike under pressure match situations, they are unable to rotate freely and end up playing a get out of jail shot which rather predictably skies upwards. Even in the last England tour, the batsmen played a lot of dot balls against Broad and Anderson in the UAE and played freely only when the spinners came on.

You first need to develop a wide shot array playing on all sides of the wicket. That cannot be developed if you grow up playing in these malicious conditions for stroke play. After you lay a solid foundation for your technique, you can then move on to the difficult aspects and nuances of batting like playing in swinging or bouncing conditions. Most yesteryear batsmen used to develop that aspect of their game with a stint in the county circuit, but nowadays not many batsmen in the world opt to go there. Hence they are forced to learn from their mistakes with experience and more tours in such conditions.

But you cannot opt to do it the other way round. Trying to master the difficult part first (in the absence of standard batting coaches), without developing a strong foundation for your technique first is like trying to learn a googly or doosra by yourself, without learning to land the balls six times in the right place first. To summarise, if what Mr.Bazid Khan says is correct, a conscious effort should be made to replace the sub standard wickets and balls in the domestic circuit and also PCB should employ world class batting coaches instead of those without much credibility. Also if an effort is made to provide good grassy turf for the players to practise on and the fitness aspect is stressed upon (quite a few Pak players have a tubby appearance), then that will go a long way in improving the fielding aspect as well and can transform the Pak side into a world class top 3 LOI side.

I am a cricket fan with average knowledge of cricket but i must say This is one heck of a post streety. Well written. Good job. Without a good base one cannot dominate bowlers . survival mode is always on for Pakistani batsmen like mentioned.
 
His crowds roar for his 50s & 100s, be it by single of SIX; MoYo & YK's crowd boo them to leave so that they can enjoy some .....

How Do u think this culture has developed in Pak that only those who hit sixes can become superstars as batsmen? Do u also think afridi has had a role to play?
 
How Do u think this culture has developed in Pak that only those who hit sixes can become superstars as batsmen? Do u also think afridi has had a role to play?

Mostly, but PAK crowd haven't seen much nail bitter domestic mathes either. If you analyze the domestic score - most of the List A matches are either 700+ blasters or <400 shockers, often matches are over by the 60th over. These are matches where batsmen doesn't need to run for their life for a bit of extra, fielders don't need the desperation of saving a boundary - it's all about blast or ups.......

Entertainment in PAK domestic cricket is not about the competitiveness, not about a nail biters, rather it's restricted to Bang, bang & the bowling speed. Here in PP, you 'll notice that 90% of the bowling stories are built on the speed gun - which is non sense; unless the speed is over 150 KM, 125KM to 145KM doesn't matter much if the bowler has a head of Sami or skill of Talha.

PAK spectators haven't built the taste on the core of cricket - that's a battle between bat & ball; rather it's on shiny things. I see lots of similarities with PAK spectators cricket taste & my interest on net practice in my boyhood days - I used to go to club nets to watch Waquar running to bowl fast or listen the humming of Akram's ball, or Sanath hitting in nets. Once they are off, me too & I hardly bothered to watch their league games. I am sure, there is not much difference between Karachi or Sharjah crowd - you have to know what you are watching for; 50% Sharjah crowd evacuates once the chance of a Slog SIX reduces significantly ...............
 
I saw a video recently where Bazid Khan was criticising Pakistan's flawed domestic structure after yet another batting collapse. He was saying that the pitches used in the domestics were heavily watered and under prepared ones and went on to say that non-standard tampered balls are used in the domestic circuit to aid swing and pace bowling more. He criticised that such wickets have destroyed the techniques of Pakistani batsmen.

That was a really interesting observation. While it is true that playing in difficult wickets improves your technique overall to cope with malicious conditions, the key is to lay a solid foundation for your technique first and then move on to the difficult aspects of batting. The problem with playing on such wickets is that your technique gets modified in such a way that you are forced to survive rather than dominate, even in easier conditions. Note that most youngsters in Pakistan grow up playing tape ball cricket, which behaves very differently from the standard cricket ball that you find elsewhere. Therefore most batsmen will be reluctant to play through the line or play freely as they will be caught nicking behind to the keeper very easily on such difficult wickets than on standard ones. Couple this with the lack of standard junior coaches and you have young batsmen developing their own technique to "survive" rather than to "dominate" against pace bowling, which may be different to the usual conventional technique.

This is quite apparent in a lot of Pakistani batsmen as well, many batsmen have a sort of crouching technique or an exaggerated trigger movement. Sarfaraz, Khurram Manzoor come to mind, even Younis has a crouched stance, but that works for him. I don't know how these modifications help them, however I have seen quite a few batsmen with these altered techniques. This is why they seem to struggle against genuine pace bowling even on benign wickets. This is apparent in the ODIs and T20s where when the batsmen are forced to rotate strike under pressure match situations, they are unable to rotate freely and end up playing a get out of jail shot which rather predictably skies upwards. Even in the last England tour, the batsmen played a lot of dot balls against Broad and Anderson in the UAE and played freely only when the spinners came on.

You first need to develop a wide shot array playing on all sides of the wicket. That cannot be developed if you grow up playing in these malicious conditions for stroke play. After you lay a solid foundation for your technique, you can then move on to the difficult aspects and nuances of batting like playing in swinging or bouncing conditions. Most yesteryear batsmen used to develop that aspect of their game with a stint in the county circuit, but nowadays not many batsmen in the world opt to go there. Hence they are forced to learn from their mistakes with experience and more tours in such conditions.

But you cannot opt to do it the other way round. Trying to master the difficult part first (in the absence of standard batting coaches), without developing a strong foundation for your technique first is like trying to learn a googly or doosra by yourself, without learning to land the balls six times in the right place first. To summarise, if what Mr.Bazid Khan says is correct, a conscious effort should be made to replace the sub standard wickets and balls in the domestic circuit and also PCB should employ world class batting coaches instead of those without much credibility. Also if an effort is made to provide good grassy turf for the players to practise on and the fitness aspect is stressed upon (quite a few Pak players have a tubby appearance), then that will go a long way in improving the fielding aspect as well and can transform the Pak side into a world class top 3 LOI side.

Good post.
 
Rotating the strike well today. Lets see how they end
 
Rotating the strike against poor bowling is not the same as converting good balls for singles which they've struggled to do so today as well. They're playing against a minnow attack. Normalcy will be restored soon.
 
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Rotating the strike against poor bowling is not the same as converting good balls for singles which they've struggled to do so today as well. They're playing against a minnow attack. Normalcy will be restored soon.
Typical Mamoon style negativity. We have been treated like minnows against this minnow side for the last one year. Have some respect. Bangladesh are no longer minnows.

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Typical Mamoon style negativity. We have been treated like minnows against this minnow side for the last one year. Have some respect. Bangladesh are no longer minnows.

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Their batting is no longer minnow level, their bowling is still ordinary without Mustafizur.
 
Their batting is no longer minnow level, their bowling is still ordinary without Mustafizur.
Their spinners are a handful and they have caused problems against us. Taskin is a handful.

We have finally played at an A level against them for a change.

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Shehzad and Hafeez vs Bang. today.. I would even NOT call this rotating strike, they're almost playing full shots only now fielders are spread hence the singles.

From what I have seen, these guys dont know to MANAUEVER the ball. Care to notice ?
 
Their spinners are a handful and they have caused problems against us. Taskin is a handful.

We have finally played at an A level against them for a change.

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No, they are ordinary. Taskin and Mustafizur are the only two good bowlers.
 
35 Dots today refreshing to see this atleast they reduced from 48 and 60 to 35
 
Alot of singles taken today, kept the scoreboard ticking over nicely.

Only Pakistan's second ever 200 T20i total. Both against Bangladesh
 
Hopefully they dont go back to the old ways in this match.
 
This problem is haunting Pakistan in every single match.
 
Shehzad can't rotate strike everybody knows. Hafeez was the same but before he was opening and will score boundaries which will hide his dot balls. Now at no. 4 he is brutally exposed.

Just get rid of these two. I'm surprised that Azhar who was a limited batsman compared to other two showed better intent to chase the total.
 
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