Pakistani fans - Would you give up the '92 World Cup win for a Test series win in Aus or England?

[Aman]

Question in the thread given the response from some Indian fans to their WTC loss.

I find it nonsensical but interested to see how highly Pakistani fans rate a series win in Aus and England.

 

[Hitman]

They have already won multiple Test series in England previously.

 

[ElRaja]

pak dont deserve to win in aus, they never prepare properly, and give up before they even land. the team that won the 92 world cup has a very important story for pak fans, it cant be replaced.

also test rankings are all well and good but finals have different pressures. its why the all conquering west indies and australia teams are held in such high regard, even in tournament finals they mentally beat the strongest opposition teams into surrender before games even started.

in fact i would give up pak winning there next series in aus or eng if it meant pak could win the 23 wtc final against india, especially given it may be the first test between the nations for 15 years. thats just me though.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Both are different format so can't be compared.

However i will rate test series win in Australia higher than any achievement for Pakistan in the world.

 

[Darkrai]

No.

Unless you're talking about hardcore fans, no one remembers or cares where Pakistan won 20 or 30 years ago. However, people still celebrate the 92 WC.

The strength of teams changes over time. Winning in WI was a big deal back then but now WI are terrible. Similarly, Aus have become much weaker and perhaps will continue to decline. So the significance of victories in such countries hardly comes close to winning a tournament like a world cup or test championship. This is because the whole purpose of tournaments is to determine the best team at the time.

In sports, trophies matter the most. 20 Years from now general public won't care much if we now win in SA or AUS compared to winning the test championship or the WC.

 

[Giannis]

No.

Winning a world cup is a surreal experience. I still remember that feeling when we won the 2009 T20 world cup 2017 champions trophy, it was an incredible sensation, the amount nerves you feel before and throughout the game and then the elation at the end is unparalleled. I don't think test cricket could do the same, it doesn't appeal to a wider demographic. If Pakistan won a test series in Australia, it would be a big deal but it's nothing like winning a world cup.

 

[Buffet]

Will Aus give up winning WC for winning test series in Eng+Ind? The answer will be most likely yes.

Will SA give up winning WC for winning in Aus? Ans will be most likely no.

Neither WC is more important nor test series is more important for cricket fans. It is a question of what you have not done.

 

[sindhiboy]

The impact of the 92 world cup transcended sports.
It was one of the most cherish moments in the history of the nation.

 

[Buffet]

pak dont deserve to win in aus,

Pakistan came close to winning few tests.

 

[Civil]

92 world Cup over everything.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Nope.

But I’d give up t20 WC or CT for a test series win in Aus

 

[cric_4life]

Wouldn't even give 2017 CT trophy for test series. 92 is untouchable.

 

[Yasir_ch]

Nope never.World Cup over any test series.
I won't even trade 2017 champions trophy (which was the best day of my life as a cricket fan) with Australia series.

Winning a test series in Australia would be very nice but winning world cup is whole different thing.

 

[Ab Fan]

For India, winning a test series in Australia is the pinnacle of the game. It is even bigger than winning a World Cup.

More importantly, the way we won that series in Australia 2020 certainly topples even winning a World Cup. The one in 2018 was not as great though, so overall strength of the opposition also matters.

However, for a team like South Africa, no test series win will be bigger than winning a World Cup. They would do anything for winning a WC.

For Australia, winning a test series in England or India both will topple winning a WC.

For England, winning a test series in Australia will again topple over winning a test series in India and World Cup win.

For New Zealand and Pakistan, 50-overs World Cup , WTC and Test series win in Australia and India all will be great achievement at this point. Just pick whatever is coming in your way.

 

[Ab Fan]

These World T20 and Champions Trophy wins are low quality wins and shouldn't be mentioned in the same bracket as Test series win in Australia, India and England and World Cup win.

 

[Shazzam]

Don’t understand this fascination with Test cricket. A format that is impossible to watch full if you have a busy life cannot hold the same weight as a format that gives you a result in one day, For me the 92 World Cup was and is our biggest achievement in our cricket. Any World Cup win is more cherishable than any Test win period imo.

 

[Aman]

These World T20 and Champions Trophy wins are low quality wins and shouldn't be mentioned in the same bracket as Test series win in Australia, India and England and World Cup win.

For me,

ODI WC > WTC > Series win in Aus > CT> Series win in Eng/India > WT20.

 

[Aman]

For India, winning a test series in Australia is the pinnacle of the game. It is even bigger than winning a World Cup.

More importantly, the way we won that series in Australia 2020 certainly topples even winning a World Cup. The one in 2018 was not as great though, so overall strength of the opposition also matters.

However, for a team like South Africa, no test series win will be bigger than winning a World Cup. They would do anything for winning a WC.

For Australia, winning a test series in England or India both will topple winning a WC.

For England, winning a test series in Australia will again topple over winning a test series in India and World Cup win.

For New Zealand and Pakistan, 50-overs World Cup , WTC and Test series win in Australia and India all will be great achievement at this point. Just pick whatever is coming in your way.

Except you don't understand that this could mean nothing if a generation of duds comes a long and turns Aus into the new WI. India already has two series wins in Aus in the last 3-4 years, one of which was against one of the worst Aussie teams ever while they haven't won a world championship in over a decade.

Look at this generation of English cricketers, it's going to be easy to win a series there. Do you think series wins there would be meaningful there? Are you going to swap a world championship for a series win there? Heck no.

 

[Aman]

For India, winning a test series in Australia is the pinnacle of the game. It is even bigger than winning a World Cup.

More importantly, the way we won that series in Australia 2020 certainly topples even winning a World Cup. The one in 2018 was not as great though, so overall strength of the opposition also matters.

However, for a team like South Africa, no test series win will be bigger than winning a World Cup. They would do anything for winning a WC.

For Australia, winning a test series in England or India both will topple winning a WC.

For England, winning a test series in Australia will again topple over winning a test series in India and World Cup win.

For New Zealand and Pakistan, 50-overs World Cup , WTC and Test series win in Australia and India all will be great achievement at this point. Just pick whatever is coming in your way.

lol.

No it ain't.

Are you going to exchange a series win Aus for '82 or 2011? Answer honestly, you aren't. Only the hardcores who have some weird inferiority complex when it comes to Aussies and the English would trade those iconic moments which paved the way for future generation of Indian cricketers for a series win.

Kohli and Rahane despite winning series in Aus (which you say is the pinnacle) have never gotten close to the status of Kapil and Dhoni for what they did for India in 82 and 2011. That alone refutes your entire argument.

Now if you mean another WC win, okay you can say that. But then again, Kohli in his heart of hearts wants a WC to cement his legacy.

 

[street cricketer]

This is a silly analogy because '92 was Pakistan's first and only world cup win in their history and of course, no Pakistan fan is going to exchange that.

A more appropriate question would be to ask if Pakistan fans would exchange a potential WTC trophy for a series win in Australia. And I suspect any Pakistani fan who is a long time serious follower of test cricket and not just watch Test cricket from time to time would choose the series win in Australia.

You can win an ICC trophy if things align your way in terms of fixtures and you have a good day on the day of the final. Winning a test series in Australia though is very hard, particularly for Asian teams which is why all the big Asian teams have won the world cup, WT20 and the Champions trophy sometimes multiple times, but none managed to win a test series in Australia till 2018. Forget about winning a series, drawing a series there is a humongous achievement for an Asian team. In a world cup, there is no added pressure on your team but whereas in a test series in Australia, the host media, the tabloids, the crowd everyone are hostile to you and it's more of a psychological battle than playing anywhere else. Australia has had far weaker teams in the past when they have been depleted due to the Kerry Packer series and yet no Asian team managed to win the series even against B grade Australian teams. India won the '83 world cup because it had a good day with the ball on the final. But to win a test series in Australia over the course of four or five tests, you need to have multiple good days over the course of a month or more, in varied venues to win the series. The difference is like winning a single set vs winning the grand slam final in five sets against Nadal or Djokovic.

I still think winning a test series vs India or Australia over the course of 4 or more tests is the most difficult achievement there is in the game and frankly, if you ask my personal opinion,

England's test series win in India/Australia was a much greater achievement in terms of difficulty than their world cup win in 2019.

I know what was more popular among the casual fans though, you don't have to remind me.

 

[MenInG]

Poll added.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I am one of the crazy ones, so would happily exchange a fluke limited overs win for a high-profile test series win in Australia.

 

[street cricketer]

If debutants like Haider Ali or Saud Shakeel have a Gill like innings at the top or Hasan and Shadab have a 123 run partnership against Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc & co at the Gabba with Rizwan taking Pakistan to a memorable victory on the final day to win their next test series in Australia, let me tell you that series will be remembered as fondly as the '92 WC win if not more.

 

[street cricketer]

If debutants like Haider Ali or Saud Shakeel have a Gill like innings at the top or Hasan and Shadab have a 123 run partnership against Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc & co at the Gabba with Rizwan taking Pakistan to a memorable victory on the final day to win their next test series in Australia, let me tell you that series will be remembered as fondly as the '92 WC win if not more.

The same would hold true if in a hypothetical scenario, Pakistan toured India next summer and beat India with Kohli, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami and Bumrah in a 4 or 5 test series.

 

[umerz]

Wouldn't even give 2017 CT trophy for test series. 92 is untouchable.

Agree here

 

[IMMY69]

For me the two formats bring different emotions and I wouldn't give up a World Cup win for a test series win even if that test series win would be the first in the history of the nation.

Would I give up a test series victory in England for a win in Australia? Yes because we have many wins in England.

 

[Dulex9]

I wouldn't trade a world cup win.

The feeling of nerves, tension, heart gripoing drama of playing in world cup knockouts and the the feelings of joy and absolute ecstasy are unparalleled.

And a world cup win inspires so many people.

 

[Mamoon]

The 1992 fluke destroyed Pakistan cricket. It destroyed the culture, mentality, attitude etc. of Pakistan cricket and condemned us to perpetual mediocrity.

It took deprived Pakistan cricket of professionalism, discipline and intelligence. All this cornered tigers and unpredictability nonsense has done irreversible damage to Pakistan cricket.

We have no idea how to build a winning culture, how to be consistent, how to achieve sustainable excellence etc. simply because of our stupid romanticism with miracles and our Hail Mary approach.

So yes, I would happily swap the World Cup with Test series wins in Australia.

Speaking of Australia, the last time that Pakistan did not lose a Test match in Australia, Javed Miandad was still playing international cricket. )

 

[UzmanBeast]

In 2016, Pakistan had all the resources to win in Australia, but what's a common factor is that those resources were hardly used properly.

The reason we've been a complete failure in Australia is that we don't prepare for the conditions. Our bowlers in the 2019 tour were young, and on bouncy Australian wickets, they get carried away with bowling short and wasting the new ball. There is no consistency in our bowling, which is why we often fail in Australian conditions. Secondly, one thing we need to understand is that wrist-spin is only functional in certain situations, when the wicket is dry. I would not take Yasir Shah to Australia or New Zealand because those conditions don't suit his bowling style. A good finger spinner is required in those conditions, someone who can just bowl a good line and keep the run rate stable, whilst offering something good with the bat. Lastly, our batsmen haven't mastered the pull shot, and are sitting ducks towards short pitched bowling, which must change if we want to win in Australian conditions.

Pakistan does have the right ingredients for a win in Australia, but our mentality is poor and our batsmen lack the grit and determination to fight it out.

 

[Last Monetarist]

The 1992 fluke destroyed Pakistan cricket. It destroyed the culture, mentality, attitude etc. of Pakistan cricket and condemned us to perpetual mediocrity.

It took deprived Pakistan cricket of professionalism, discipline and intelligence. All this cornered tigers and unpredictability nonsense has done irreversible damage to Pakistan cricket.

We have no idea how to build a winning culture, how to be consistent, how to achieve sustainable excellence etc. simply because of our stupid romanticism with miracles and our Hail Mary approach.

So yes, I would happily swap the World Cup with Test series wins in Australia.

Speaking of Australia, the last time that Pakistan did not lose a Test match in Australia, Javed Miandad was still playing international cricket. )

Totally agreed, it's the worst thing to have happened to cricket in this country. It changed the whole culture whereby players were able to coast on reputations and disregard consistency for the one-off big game performance. A pyrrhic victory if ever there was one.

 

[GreenKhan]

The 1992 fluke destroyed Pakistan cricket. It destroyed the culture, mentality, attitude etc. of Pakistan cricket and condemned us to perpetual mediocrity.

It took deprived Pakistan cricket of professionalism, discipline and intelligence. All this cornered tigers and unpredictability nonsense has done irreversible damage to Pakistan cricket.

We have no idea how to build a winning culture, how to be consistent, how to achieve sustainable excellence etc. simply because of our stupid romanticism with miracles and our Hail Mary approach.

So yes, I would happily swap the World Cup with Test series wins in Australia.

Speaking of Australia, the last time that Pakistan did not lose a Test match in Australia, Javed Miandad was still playing international cricket. )

1992 was a fluke , CT was a fluke , I’m fed up hearing all that fluke business.

You can’t compare a tournament victory in the limited overs format with test cricket .
To win a tournament it requires having momentum , peaking at the right time and key players performing at a time when it matters , and obviously a bit of luck.

The fact that Pakistan have consistently done well in world tournaments suggests they have the minerals to do well on the big stage . It’s not called a fluke it just means all the stars align perfectly when they have won.

Test cricket is a completely format , and the only place where they have really struggled is Australia and South Africa . We have never won a series there ( I stand corrected if we have ) and all our greats have toured there . We just have to accept it’s a place where we don’t do well.
We won regularly in England, upto 1996 and apart from the last tour we have also drawn our recent series .

Obviously I would love to win a series in Australia, but to call our greatest achievements flukes , stinks of negativity, pessimism and much more .

 

[ElRaja]

Pakistan came close to winning few tests.

i meant based on their last tour.

 

[Rafa]

Wouldn't even trade a T20 WC with any Test series anywhere. Test fanatics really overrate the significance of a series which is played only between two teams.

1992 WC achievement can only be topped by another WC Victory where Pakistan defeat India in front of the Indian crowd in the finals.

 

[Titan24]

No. Being able to lift a “World” trophy for which multiple teams fought for is something which cant be replaced or given up in my opinion. Most of the fans as well as players of any cricketing country would never give up such a trophy for a test series win, yed Ashes it can have bit more polarized opinions.

Not sure how Eng test series would even be considered in this trade off. Pak has won quite a few times.

Coming to Aus series, I would definitely like Pak to win a test series in Aus someday and it would definitely be really memorable as Pak has never won before but, dont think for majority of the fans as well as players it will be able to match the long lasting euphoria of being a world champion by lifting a world trophy.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Short answer never

 

[krikit]

This is a silly analogy because '92 was Pakistan's first and only world cup win in their history and of course, no Pakistan fan is going to exchange that.

A more appropriate question would be to ask if Pakistan fans would exchange a potential WTC trophy for a series win in Australia.

Well said. Succinctly punctured the depraved OP.

ODI WC is the pinnacle of cricket. WTC IS NOT. Its a silly 'championship' that ended in a farcical one-off match. This edition only proved that NZ are a better team than India in extreme swinging conditions.

A WC is a tournament that gives equal chance to all participating teams with enough time to acquaint oneself with the mostly generic conditions, which is why winning it is as highly rated as it is.

 

[silentkiller187]

Pak won in england in 92 and 96 only won world cup once so i dont think i would trade it, aus is a different story but even then, hardcore fans will enjoy it the casuals wont bat an eyelid thats the difference.

 

[street cricketer]

No. Being able to lift a “World” trophy for which multiple teams fought for is something which cant be replaced or given up in my opinion. Most of the fans as well as players of any cricketing country would never give up such a trophy for a test series win, yed Ashes it can have bit more polarized opinions.

Not sure how Eng test series would even be considered in this trade off. Pak has won quite a few times.

Coming to Aus series, I would definitely like Pak to win a test series in Aus someday and it would definitely be really memorable as Pak has never won before but, dont think for majority of the fans as well as players it will be able to match the long lasting euphoria of being a world champion by lifting a world trophy.

This depends on what fans you're talking about. I've been a part of world cricket forums having many fans from all over the world, particularly England and Australia, for a long time and in my opinion these are the general opinions of cricket fans:

Desi cricket fans tend to love LOI cricket very much, be it ODI or T20 cricket. Some do love test cricket primarily but mostly LOI cricket takes precedence and therefore are passionate about world tournaments like World cup, WT20, Champions trophy, etc.

Fans from the SENA nations are generally test cricket fanatics, particularly the English who are notorious for putting Test cricket even above the ODI world cup. For English and Australian fans, Ashes reign supreme above everything else and they generally don't give a care about the WT20 and the Champions trophy. For the English and the Australians, the concept of the "English summer" or the "Australian summer" is very dear to them, a bit like the grandslam in tennis every year ('summer' in this context generally means the test fixtures of that particular summer). The Aussie fans do care about the ODI world cup though. SA and NZ fans care equally about Test cricket and the world cup since they haven't won it, but they aren't as passionate as desi fans.

So if you're talking to the average desi cricket fan, he is more likely to choose winning any world tournament be it the WT20 or Champions trophy or the ODI world cup above bilateral test series, even if it's a marquee one. The average Australian fan would choose winning a test series in England or India very highly, probably on par with the ODI world cup and don't be surprised if you see English fans choosing an Ashes victory down under above the ODI world cup. Saffer fans love test cricket too, but since they have been starved of ICC trophies for so long, they probably would want an ICC trophy the most, and the Kiwi fans are not too different either, although for them, beating Australia in Australia is a big benchmark as well. Point is, cricket fans are not homogeneous in their liking and some love one format and fans from other countries love a different format. It's pretty much like the different rugby codes and their popularity in different countries to be honest.

 

[Shams123]

Nope, not even in a million years

 

[Majid Khan]

Not for a test series win in Australia, but if it was the experience of watching Hafeez score a triple century at Perth against McGrath/Lee/Gillespie/Warne then I might be tempted.

 

[Varun]

Put it this way - Pakistan won a 5 test series in 1992 in England. They won it 2-1.

Yet, how many times have people talked about this? The only times I hear about this head to head is when people talk about ball tampering allegations - players and fans alike.

Contrast that to the endless aura the 1992 50-over World Cup created around team Pakistan.

 

[shamaan]

Nope I would never.

 

[Srtfan]

I have different questions for Pakistani fans- would you give up the 92 World Cup or 2009 t20 wc win for a wtc win?

 

[Buffet]

i meant based on their last tour.

The last tour was over before it started due to having a newbie bowling attack. It is very hard for such attacks to do even moderately well in Aus.

 

[NishanKonar]

As an Indian - our 2 test series victories in Australia are better than the 2011 WC

1983 wud still be special - as it was classic case of of David vs Goliath

 

[Titan24]

This depends on what fans you're talking about. I've been a part of world cricket forums having many fans from all over the world, particularly England and Australia, for a long time and in my opinion these are the general opinions of cricket fans:

Desi cricket fans tend to love LOI cricket very much, be it ODI or T20 cricket. Some do love test cricket primarily but mostly LOI cricket takes precedence and therefore are passionate about world tournaments like World cup, WT20, Champions trophy, etc.

Fans from the SENA nations are generally test cricket fanatics, particularly the English who are notorious for putting Test cricket even above the ODI world cup. For English and Australian fans, Ashes reign supreme above everything else and they generally don't give a care about the WT20 and the Champions trophy. For the English and the Australians, the concept of the "English summer" or the "Australian summer" is very dear to them, a bit like the grandslam in tennis every year ('summer' in this context generally means the test fixtures of that particular summer). The Aussie fans do care about the ODI world cup though. SA and NZ fans care equally about Test cricket and the world cup since they haven't won it, but they aren't as passionate as desi fans.

So if you're talking to the average desi cricket fan, he is more likely to choose winning any world tournament be it the WT20 or Champions trophy or the ODI world cup above bilateral test series, even if it's a marquee one. The average Australian fan would choose winning a test series in England or India very highly, probably on par with the ODI world cup and don't be surprised if you see English fans choosing an Ashes victory down under above the ODI world cup. Saffer fans love test cricket too, but since they have been starved of ICC trophies for so long, they probably would want an ICC trophy the most, and the Kiwi fans are not too different either, although for them, beating Australia in Australia is a big benchmark as well. Point is, cricket fans are not homogeneous in their liking and some love one format and fans from other countries love a different format. It's pretty much like the different rugby codes and their popularity in different countries to be honest.

Valid points. Yes the opinions can vary in Eng and Aus definitely but as you have also mentioned NZ, SA and rest of the cricketing world is most likely to be opting an ICC trophy at one point or another.

However, personally for me its not just about fondness of LOI cricket vs Test cricket as I am possibly one of those small group of cricket fans who follow and watch every type of cricket and might have slight bit of biased towards test cricket itself and value test wins higher than other formats especially the overseas ones.

For me it just makes sense to value a trophy for which multiple teams competed for higher than an individual series win. Now with WTC trophy in the scheme of the things as well, I would be more enthralled as a fan with the WTC trophy win than Pak winning in Aus if its a trade off. So its not about the format, its about the stature of the occasion being above everything else when a lot of teams want to grab it.

Pak winning in Aus will be historic occasion for Pak cricket but, it will just be related to Pak itself and Aus and might not even be considered a historic event in the cricket history as a whole. Rest of the world might appreciate the effort but, it wont really fall into the same scale where whole world is not only watching and appreciating but, rather competing as well for a trophy be it LOI related or WTC.

 

[Yk313]

Question in the thread given the response from some Indian fans to their WTC loss.

I find it nonsensical but interested to see how highly Pakistani fans rate a series win in Aus and England.

Perhaps the one of the biggest repercussions of giving up the WC92 win for an AUS series win could be a different Prime Minister. Leave it to the PP followers to comment on whether that is a good thing or otherwise.

Test series in AUS will come. More about brains rather than about brawn or firepower.

 

[msb314]

WC 92 was the ultimate achievement for me - can only be surpassed by winning WC in India

 

[ElRaja]

The last tour was over before it started due to having a newbie bowling attack. It is very hard for such attacks to do even moderately well in Aus.

which is exactly my point. they failed to prepare properly. pakistan need to send an A-tour to aus the year before, they need to land a month early and play at least two 4 day games. pak pbly wouldnt win, but it would be more competitive, and eventually pak might even win a test or two. pak lose in aus invariably because of a failure to prepare.

 

[street cricketer]

Valid points. Yes the opinions can vary in Eng and Aus definitely but as you have also mentioned NZ, SA and rest of the cricketing world is most likely to be opting an ICC trophy at one point or another.

However, personally for me its not just about fondness of LOI cricket vs Test cricket as I am possibly one of those small group of cricket fans who follow and watch every type of cricket and might have slight bit of biased towards test cricket itself and value test wins higher than other formats especially the overseas ones.

For me it just makes sense to value a trophy for which multiple teams competed for higher than an individual series win. Now with WTC trophy in the scheme of the things as well, I would be more enthralled as a fan with the WTC trophy win than Pak winning in Aus if its a trade off. So its not about the format, its about the stature of the occasion being above everything else when a lot of teams want to grab it.

Pak winning in Aus will be historic occasion for Pak cricket but, it will just be related to Pak itself and Aus and might not even be considered a historic event in the cricket history as a whole. Rest of the world might appreciate the effort but, it wont really fall into the same scale where whole world is not only watching and appreciating but, rather competing as well for a trophy be it LOI related or WTC.

Well I already said just by popularity, the world tournaments will win hands down as it gets the eyes of the entire world fixed on the tournament. If the contest is purely on popularity, ICC trophies would win hands down.

But test cricket is much more than popularity and trophies. I mean, test cricket itself is a very niche format even within cricket, which has only a limited followers but who are nevertheless fanatic about it. Winning the WTC is an easier task than winning a test series in India over the course of 4 or more tests. You can make the final if you have an easy schedule and if the neutral venue has similar conditions to your home, you can win the WTC. India can for example HTB their way to a final provided they have easy fixtures and will beat any team if the final is scheduled in Dubai or the subcontinent. But it's far more difficult for Australia to win a test series in India or vice versa. It is why most test cricket tragics rate marquee test series wins above most ICC trophies due to the difficulty of the achievement.

For me personally, I would still rate an ODI world cup win very high as it has a lot of history and prestige behind it. If India hadn't ever won a test series in Australia, I would have taken a test series win in Australia over the world cup, but since India have won both the world cup and series in Aus twice each now, I would take a World cup win above everything stature wise. But I don't consider the rest of the ICC trophies serious enough to rate above a test series win in Aus. I mean, I would never rate a WT20 which is a timepass tourney or a Champions trophy win over a test series win in Aus or Eng.

 

[Titan24]

I have different questions for Pakistani fans- would you give up the 92 World Cup or 2009 t20 wc win for a wtc win?

Interesting. If it would have been any other year, I would have taken a WTC trophy possibly any day over a World T20 trophy. However, 2009 World T20 has more significance than just a trophy because its the same year when the unfortunate incident of attack on Srilankan team took place and Pakistan cricket really needed a boost to carry on in those difficult time.

So World T20 2009 did provide that somewhat of a temporary relief to Pak cricket in those difficult times. So will have to keep that win as well along with obviously WC 92 win which also important in shaping Pakistan cricket in one way or another. However, if it is independent of the year it took place in and its importance in that regard I would take the WTC over a world T20 trophy as unless ICC scraps it, its going to be a really important achievement for any team in the test format.

 

[Ami]

The 1992 fluke destroyed Pakistan cricket. It destroyed the culture, mentality, attitude etc. of Pakistan cricket and condemned us to perpetual mediocrity.

It took deprived Pakistan cricket of professionalism, discipline and intelligence. All this cornered tigers and unpredictability nonsense has done irreversible damage to Pakistan cricket.

We have no idea how to build a winning culture, how to be consistent, how to achieve sustainable excellence etc. simply because of our stupid romanticism with miracles and our Hail Mary approach.

So yes, I would happily swap the World Cup with Test series wins in Australia.

Speaking of Australia, the last time that Pakistan did not lose a Test match in Australia, Javed Miandad was still playing international cricket. )

Love it!...
However, will not change a thing; not in my life time.

 

[Devadwal]

No they will not becouse they won it first & last time until now . Australia happily trade a wc win for a 5 test match series win against india in india becouse they already won a lot WC

 

[Kroll]

There's something magical about that WC win in 92. Wouldn't really trade it for anything else.

 

[Ashmal]

No they will not becouse they won it first & last time until now . Australia happily trade a wc win for a 5 test match series win against india in india becouse they already won a lot WC

But....Aus have already won 3 series in India so why would they give up their WC win

 

[Snowflake]

The 1992 fluke destroyed Pakistan cricket. It destroyed the culture, mentality, attitude etc. of Pakistan cricket and condemned us to perpetual mediocrity.

It took deprived Pakistan cricket of professionalism, discipline and intelligence. All this cornered tigers and unpredictability nonsense has done irreversible damage to Pakistan cricket.

We have no idea how to build a winning culture, how to be consistent, how to achieve sustainable excellence etc. simply because of our stupid romanticism with miracles and our Hail Mary approach.

So yes, I would happily swap the World Cup with Test series wins in Australia.

Speaking of Australia, the last time that Pakistan did not lose a Test match in Australia, Javed Miandad was still playing international cricket. )

Lost track of how many times you have repeated that. Well, at least you make yourself still laugh with that.

 

[Buffet]

which is exactly my point. they failed to prepare properly. pakistan need to send an A-tour to aus the year before, they need to land a month early and play at least two 4 day games. pak pbly wouldnt win, but it would be more competitive, and eventually pak might even win a test or two. pak lose in aus invariably because of a failure to prepare.

I think most teams hardly prepare now due to lack of time. A few exceptions here and there, but the norm is to land and play a test series. No wonder we see so many one-sided series when conditions are different and the home team has a huge advantage.

I remember Eng preparing for some Asian tours. India preparing for the Aus tour. But, preparation is not the norm now.

I wish teams get more time to get familiar. That way games will be more interesting.

 

[Buffet]

But....Aus have already won 3 series in India so why would they give up their WC win

Many WC wins and a lack of test series wins in 20 years.

I don't think too many fans care about what happened 30-40 years ago. That's not relevant. If you fail for 2 decades then you would want to correct that. Having said that I agree with notion that if you have never won then you will put it even higher priority.

 

[Jazx]

The 1992 fluke destroyed Pakistan cricket. It destroyed the culture, mentality, attitude etc. of Pakistan cricket and condemned us to perpetual mediocrity.

It took deprived Pakistan cricket of professionalism, discipline and intelligence. All this cornered tigers and unpredictability nonsense has done irreversible damage to Pakistan cricket.

We have no idea how to build a winning culture, how to be consistent, how to achieve sustainable excellence etc. simply because of our stupid romanticism with miracles and our Hail Mary approach.

So yes, I would happily swap the World Cup with Test series wins in Australia.

Speaking of Australia, the last time that Pakistan did not lose a Test match in Australia, Javed Miandad was still playing international cricket. )

Common you can't call a world cup win a fluke. Specially when the format was difficult where every team have to play against each other, that makes it even a bigger achievement. Fluke was somehow the 96 world cup win by sri lanka where they just won against one big team india before the knockouts. Now if the mentality does not got changed after decades thats the problem of lack of intelligence and proper learning culture in pakistan. Definitely a test series win in Australia will be the next big achievement for them but not bigger than the world cup. And a series win in england will be nothing new for them as they have achieved that atleast 3-4 times if i am not wrong.

 

[Technics 1210]

The question in the OP is only applicable to those who were not only alive, but aware, in 92. Anyone not conceived or not out of their nappies in 92 has no relevance to the question.

You had to be alive to understand what the 92WC meant to Pakistan. A natural tonic for the nation, that also ushered in a period where Pakistan cricket were at the top. After all, in the same decade, Pakistan were runners up in 99WC.

No one remembers Test series result unless its the Ashes or controversial.

Of course, I do remember 1999 Test series vs India; SRTs first ever Golden Duck, another score in a loss, and Pakistan playing in India.

Would I cherish the Test series? Had it not been for SRT's failures, then no, but I rather cherish the moment arch rivals were brought down to earth. Cough cough another ICC final win in 2017.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I'm surprised anyone is asking this question. Pakistan has already won series in England, and while it would be nice to win in Australia, it's not of the same stature of calling yourselves the world champions. Series wins are only as good as your last one, World Cup wins last forever.

I think maybe the OP is putting a bit too much importance on Big 3 status, but these things matter more to some people than others.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

We aren't winning a series in Australia unless our fielding is good and fast enough to stop the easy singles and doubles we gift in the bigger grounds of Australia. Due to that, Aus play Pak bowlers with almost no pressure cause they know they're going to get easy runs.

 

[King-Misbah]

I wouldn't even give away the T20 World Champion title for a series win! A tournament has more value and prestige. People remember the win forever. For example, Fakhar Zaman is well regarded due to that one performance in the CT final.

 

[NishanKonar]

No they will not becouse they won it first & last time until now . Australia happily trade a wc win for a 5 test match series win against india in india becouse they already won a lot WC

Ashes is ultimate dream for Australian cricket fans. Most casual fans dont care about WC. In 2015 when australia hosted WC - the news coverage was not so geat in australia

Compared to that Ashes is really huge in Australia

 

[Saj]

A World Cup win has it's own value and pride of place.

That 92 win lives with Pakistani fans forever

 

[Last Monetarist]

In terms of importance for me, and this has been the case since the 1990s:

1. Test series win in Australia, South Africa & India
2. Test series win in England, New Zealand, & West Indies
3. Home Test series against Australia, South Africa, India
4. Home Test series against England, New Zealand, & West Indies
5. ODI World Cup
6. Champions Trophy

The advent of the WTC has catapulted that competition to near the top in terms of importance, although still behind away series against Australia, England, & India (notional).

White ball cricket has always been to me hit and giggle stuff without tangible worth.